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Post# 347148   5/7/2009 at 00:29 (5,439 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Does anybody own one of these and how do you like it doing king size bedding?

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Post# 347190 , Reply# 1   5/7/2009 at 08:08 (5,439 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hi Larry. I do not have one yet, but it may be my next one. I have a friend who is an Assistant Manger at a PC RIchards store in Jersey. He says that are really nice machines, they do add a more water, and the are selling very well. I think it would be great for King Size bedding, in that my LG which is a little smaller fits a Queen size comforter with room to spare.

I read the reviews on-line at Consumer Reports and they are all good.


Post# 347199 , Reply# 2   5/7/2009 at 09:12 (5,439 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Thanks Ray,
I'm about to buy the washer but I need more info before plunking down 1200-1700.00.
The Elecrolux cu. size is the largest in the home FL industry and this is what I need!
A machine that can do King size comforters.


Post# 347206 , Reply# 3   5/7/2009 at 09:24 (5,439 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
IQ Touch

Larry, I would go with the IQ touch over the Wave Touch. I think the IQ model does the same,(but double check me). Why pay the extra. I will see if I can copy and paste the comments from CU. You can email me privately.

Thanks,


Ray


Post# 347211 , Reply# 4   5/7/2009 at 09:53 (5,439 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
Reviews

Larry, I sent you the reviews to you email address.

Ray


Post# 347212 , Reply# 5   5/7/2009 at 10:03 (5,439 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
Email address

Larry, Did your email address change from the one that you have in the profile? I sent you the information, but it bounced back.

Let me know

Ray


Post# 347213 , Reply# 6   5/7/2009 at 10:11 (5,439 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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The wave touch is programmable and the spin speed is higher 1300 while the IQ is around 1200 RPM.
I am leaning toward the IQ but I do like the Silver color wave touch.


Post# 347214 , Reply# 7   5/7/2009 at 10:16 (5,439 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Yes it did, I forgot to update!
CleanteamofNY@live.com


Post# 347215 , Reply# 8   5/7/2009 at 10:19 (5,439 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Okay Larry. Check your email.

Ray


Post# 347583 , Reply# 9   5/8/2009 at 22:42 (5,437 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        

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Ray can you send me the reviews too?
I'm trying to get info. on these machines and nobody has any Youtube vids out there either.


Post# 347990 , Reply# 10   5/11/2009 at 07:53 (5,435 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
E-Lux Reviews

Hi George, Just checked the site today. I will send you the reviews. Let me know what you think?

Ray


Post# 349669 , Reply# 11   5/18/2009 at 00:16 (5,428 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho)        

OMG, I almost missed this thread, sorry. I have a new Electrolux IQ set. They replaced a Fisher & Paykel set I gave to my mother. What can I tell you about them? The set performs very well and I love the capacity. The dryer has a high velocity exhaust fan that has a bit of a whistle to it, similar to a Frigidaire. Both machines have interior lights, and are intuitive, easy to use, and incredibly flexible. The 18 minute wash and 18 minute dry cycles really work if your laundry isn't heavily soiled or the fabic not too heavy. Pet hair removal with this set is superb.

Post# 349834 , Reply# 12   5/18/2009 at 16:38 (5,427 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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What is the water level on this bad boy doing bulky items?
How's the rinsing?
Is it quiet during the spin cycle?


Post# 349852 , Reply# 13   5/18/2009 at 17:32 (5,427 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
interior light

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The IQ Touch model does have the interior light but,the Wave-Touch model allows you to turn it on while the washer is in operation.The IQ only comes on with the door open.The light is very bright and really makes doing laundry in a front loader a lot more fun to watch!!I am amazed and glad to see that E'Lux has spent a little bit more time and money on the developement,advertising,design,performance and features on these fabulous gems.My own preference is the EWFLW(Electrolux front loading washer)65HTS in Turquoise Sky and the EWGD65HTS matching gas dryer in Turquoise Sky.As far as new washer dryers are concerned, those are my verry favorite!

Post# 350000 , Reply# 14   5/19/2009 at 00:00 (5,427 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho)        

Answer to questions: Water level about the same as most large front-loaders these days, that is, you see only very little water in the wash cycle. The rinses are more generous and the best I've experienced in a high-efficiency washer for a long time.

The spin is fairly quiet and well balanced.


Post# 350237 , Reply# 15   5/19/2009 at 22:00 (5,426 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        

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Rinso...
How's the balancing act?
Does it waste time trying to get the load just perfect before spining or does it get down to business and not waste time trying to get all the clothes just right for spinning?


Post# 350725 , Reply# 16   5/21/2009 at 23:55 (5,424 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho)        

Takes much less time to do it's "balancing act" than my old HE3T. It seems to get it right sooner, and it does some manipulations without completely stopping. The only observation I have made about the spinning, and this is purely subjective, is that the low speed spin is too fast.

Post# 350805 , Reply# 17   5/22/2009 at 14:18 (5,424 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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You guys can rely on electrolux! There my favourite brand over this side of the pond and have made some great machines. I had imagined the new machines you have in the states wouldn't be too dis-similar to ours in terms of cycle patterns etc. Though i'm very jealous because they're stunning machines. Prehaps if we move to the states in the future we'll get one of those:D

Darren


Post# 352214 , Reply# 18   5/27/2009 at 10:27 (5,419 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Well I took the plung through Sears and delivery is set for next week. No major agreement plan!
I just hope that it would not be a lemon out of the box.


Post# 352215 , Reply# 19   5/27/2009 at 10:28 (5,419 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

It won't be a lemon. I'm sure you'll love it!

Post# 352228 , Reply# 20   5/27/2009 at 11:23 (5,419 days old) by toploader1984 ()        

sounds exciting, someone needs to post a video on youtube of the new electrolux!!!

Post# 352513 , Reply# 21   5/27/2009 at 23:24 (5,418 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        

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Yes I agree toploader1984...I really want to see the Electrolux's in action in a real home setting.

Post# 352574 , Reply# 22   5/28/2009 at 01:29 (5,418 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Still am gagging at an over four hour "sanitise" cycle.

Four hours to reach only 158F? One might be better off putting said items into a pot and boiling them on the range.

Cannot imagine how much wear and tear there would be on laundry subjected to that cycle for each wash.

L.


Post# 352576 , Reply# 23   5/28/2009 at 01:40 (5,418 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
LOL.....

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Launderess...

The thought of you gagging over the washing taking 4hrs and then getting jack of the whole thing and bringing them to the boil on the range has really tickled me....

You've painted an annimated picture there

Thank you..


Post# 352580 , Reply# 24   5/28/2009 at 02:05 (5,418 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
About Sums Things Up

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Post# 352584 , Reply# 25   5/28/2009 at 03:18 (5,418 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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Exactly!

Post# 352654 , Reply# 26   5/28/2009 at 09:55 (5,418 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Laundress, My LG takes only about 2 1/2 hrs for the Sanitary cycle and that is on the heavy soil setting and extra rinse.

Were you referring to the Electrolux with the 4 hr. sanitize?

Thanks,

Ray


Post# 352666 , Reply# 27   5/28/2009 at 10:53 (5,418 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
RayJay

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Thread was about Electrolux washers, didn't see any mention of LG. Did I miss something?

L.


Post# 352678 , Reply# 28   5/28/2009 at 11:27 (5,418 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hi Laundress....I think I must have missed somthing. Just wanted to know where it was stated that the E_Lux took over 4 hrs on the sanitize cycle. I was just making reference to my LG.

So...let me know.


Thanks

Ray


Post# 352683 , Reply# 29   5/28/2009 at 11:42 (5,418 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Link at top of thread to Electrolux'x website has owner's manuals for downloading. Said manual lists cycles and their respective times. The "sanitary" cycle shows a time of over four hours.

L.


Post# 352692 , Reply# 30   5/28/2009 at 12:12 (5,418 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Thanks Laundress. I must have missed that. lol However, I think if your incoming water is very hot, the time may be a little shorter?

Post# 352702 , Reply# 31   5/28/2009 at 12:59 (5,418 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
E'lux Sanitary...NOT 4 hours long.

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Guys I visited the Electrolux web site and looked at the "Washer Settings Chart" in the Use & Care (under Specifications & Guides) and the Sanitize cycle at factory presets is listed at 144 minutes that boils down to 2 hours and 40 minutes.

Where did 4 hours come from?


Post# 352710 , Reply# 32   5/28/2009 at 13:18 (5,418 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

George, You are correct. I just checked the Use and Care guide. 144 min. it is. So 2 hrs and 24 min.



Post# 352711 , Reply# 33   5/28/2009 at 13:22 (5,418 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I can't believe

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that none of these new Electrolux washer vids are on youtube. I see several Electrolux washers but I suspect they're Euro.

Post# 352713 , Reply# 34   5/28/2009 at 13:28 (5,418 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Electrolux!

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From what I can see I like the Electrolux better than most of these other new front load machines. The cycles do seem to be shorter from viewing the instruction manual and the cycles seem to be straight foward. I still wish they would come up with a mechinal dial control like the origional frigmores. But I guess we are stuck with all these electronics like it or not. I am hoping that they come out with a combo but it doesn't look likely. So good luck to who ever makes the purchase.
Best Wishes,
Peter


Post# 352743 , Reply# 35   5/28/2009 at 15:18 (5,417 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
also

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I read that the use 53% less water than a typical TL. Most other modern US FL washers use 64 to 73 % less water. I guess that's why the rinses are more generous. I'd love to see one of these operate. Please post :)

Post# 352754 , Reply# 36   5/28/2009 at 15:46 (5,417 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

I suppose the main reason people don't post videos of Electrolux front loaders is that they don't feel that there's much to see. Their point of view is probably that they are all identical in action, and that there are more than enough European files of front loaders already.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 352766 , Reply# 37   5/28/2009 at 16:22 (5,417 days old) by favorit ()        
time for sanitary

Vintage Zanussi E'luxes took 3 hours to run a boilwash with a 105°F prewash. It dropped down to 100 mins @ the Jetsystem age, then went back to 2 1/2 hrs when the AAAAAA... rating thing began here

Can't imagine how many duets torn by hammer shots if in the german factory they swapped the new EU DUET (5 hours on eco-turtle-cycle ...) with the US model *LOL*

Does anyone have inernal pics of US E'lux frontloaders ??

Hope they aren't such a bad surprise like AEG-E'luxes ..


Post# 352784 , Reply# 38   5/28/2009 at 17:35 (5,417 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Page 15 of the Owner's Manual For The Last Model

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In the list, shown in white or maybe it's silver.

Beneath the "NSF" logo it says:

"The wash water is heated by an internal booster heater to the temperature of 152F for up to four hours".

L.


Post# 352794 , Reply# 39   5/28/2009 at 18:07 (5,417 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        

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Launderess...

Yep I see it too but I think that's a type-o or unless they mean not to exceed 4 hours with all options chosen.

"up to" is used to cover their claims of 144 minutes in case of balancing issues, extended wash time, pre wash, extra rinse etc.


Post# 352857 , Reply# 40   5/28/2009 at 21:37 (5,417 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
Here's a YouTube video I just dug up

It gives some graphic detail about what can go wrong with an Electrolux-made front loader. Keep this in mind when you take one of these home; they are very delicate and can corrode in places you can't see. In the end, the parts alone would have been prohibitively expensive for this owner, so the machine went to the crusher. It was only 7 years old.

NorfolkSouthern


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Post# 352874 , Reply# 41   5/28/2009 at 23:10 (5,417 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Yes

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that's the aluminum spider issue that is very well known with the Frigemore's made by Electrolux. I've asked several times if anyone on here knows if any of the other modern US FL washers use an aluminum spider, Whirlpool, Electrolux, LG, etc.. No one knows. My Duet could end up having this same problem. I have no clue if the spider assembly on my Duet is aluminum or not. Hopefully NOT. And hopefully NOT on these more expensive FL washers. I think the Firgemores are BOL for US front loaders.

Post# 352971 , Reply# 42   5/29/2009 at 08:10 (5,417 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

I guess because the machines is so new that there are not videos out there yet.

Post# 352981 , Reply# 43   5/29/2009 at 08:51 (5,417 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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mmmmm.....

I could see a court case going on here if people got together...

To say the inner drum has a 25yr warranty but the spider doesn't is pretty much false advertising when the spider isn't available as a separate spare part.

...they are one and the same item if they are sold together


Post# 353034 , Reply# 44   5/29/2009 at 13:14 (5,417 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)        
SQ construction vs. Fridge-Lux?

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Launderess,

Over in the Speed Queen thread you mentioned that the current SQ FLs have a "non-unit tub and bearing assembly" that should enable future bearing repairs. Can you or someone contrast that with the rather detailed Frigidaire video and tell me how that's different, in layman's terms? Are the spiders on the SQ assembly at least steel or something that won't react with the tub?

I'd love to see some pictures of theirs after having seen how the F-lux was put together (yikes!!)


Post# 353039 , Reply# 45   5/29/2009 at 14:17 (5,417 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

I do not think we can compare the new Electrolux line with the old Frigidaire line. The Electrolux line is new and is not manufactured like the Frig-mores, etc.

Post# 353049 , Reply# 46   5/29/2009 at 15:06 (5,416 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

If the spider is bolted/welded to the basket, it is really the basket at should be covered as such.

Conn's a appliance retailer here in Houston is being taken to court for pushing extended warranties and not covering the units when they break. The could have to pay $20K per individual case.

The state got involved when they received over 2000 complaints about Conn's not following repairs. When you think about it, that's not a lot.

Whoever did that video did a very nice job on it. It explained and demonstrated the problem very clearly and cleanly.


Post# 353090 , Reply# 47   5/29/2009 at 16:17 (5,416 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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IIRC, a member posted work done on his Maytag Neptune tubs and bearing. Looking at those posts and pictures should give you a general idea.

Normally and at least for most commercial front loaders you have an outer and inner tub, plus the bearings and spider and other bits holding it all together (very simple description).

Where the tubs are an assembly instead of separate units, it tis just that, both tubs, bearings, spider et all are one componet. If the bearings and or spider goes, one is supposed to swap out the entire thing, rather than merely replace the bearing and or spider, and put the thing back together again.


Post# 353114 , Reply# 48   5/29/2009 at 16:38 (5,416 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)        

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That's sort of what I thought, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Given SQs commercial bloodlines I can't imagine they'd engineer anything that would require the WHOLE TUB to be replaced for a bearing or spider issue.

So does anyone know how the current Electrolux machines are put together? Anybody had one apart yet or willing to take theirs apart for the obligatory money shots?


Post# 353122 , Reply# 49   5/29/2009 at 16:49 (5,416 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
To Be Fair

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Move towards tub assemblies rather than separate tubs prolly has much to do with washing machines becoming more likely not to be repaired either outof design and or cost or both.

Aside from SQ, Miele and perhaps a few others, it is rare to find long warranties on tubs, bearings, motor and such as of old. If the washing machine will last on average only four or five years (sad, isn't it?), before requiring a repair that may cost more than replacement, then what is the point of having tubs that will last the duration and or designing for bearing replacement?

On any front loading washing machine, replacing the bearings is not usually an easy job, nor very cheap. On Miele units one has to have not only the knowledge,skills, and tools, but a winch as well to lift out what amounts to roughly more than 200lbs.

Commercial front loaders such as those found in laundromats OTHO are designed for bearing replacment, mainly because of their long life and abuse taken.


Post# 353129 , Reply# 50   5/29/2009 at 17:01 (5,416 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

I think in the case of Frigidaire, the 25 year warranty on the basket is more of a selling attraction in rather than an accurate description of what you will actually get.

Post# 353131 , Reply# 51   5/29/2009 at 17:13 (5,416 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
BUT....

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I find it interesting that they warrant a part for a certain period and then when a 'compulsory' component of that part fails they are not prepared to honour their warranty...

The US court system would have a field day with that...

...AND it could be the precursor to manufacturers either giving more realistic warranties

...OR ensuring the componentry in their machines in actually up to the job they are warranting...

Blimey....could this be the mythical 'yellow brick road' to better appliance quality????


Post# 354344 , Reply# 52   6/3/2009 at 09:34 (5,412 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Today is D-Day!

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After looking at this video and I may buy the extended warranty and
by now the problems with the spider should be worked out hopefully!


Post# 354767 , Reply# 53   6/5/2009 at 03:20 (5,410 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Sears delivery came one hour before schedule arrival time which was between 6-8 yesterday evening and everything went well!

I'm quite amazed how little water these washers uses but everything comes out well washed and rinsed.
The balancing act is real quick and extraction ramps up quite fast on max. The pump makes more noise than when
it is washing and spinning which is normal for this type of machine and I thought I was the only one who was watching the machine!


Post# 354769 , Reply# 54   6/5/2009 at 03:30 (5,410 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Just Love The Cat!

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He seems not to know what to make of thing big red thing which as invaded his turf! *LOL*

L.


Post# 354770 , Reply# 55   6/5/2009 at 03:40 (5,410 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Thanks

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That is so true L.
He had a fit trying to find out what was going on behind the closed door when Sears setting up the washer!

Now you can see who pulled a seat to the worlds largest laundry TV. lol


Post# 354790 , Reply# 56   6/5/2009 at 07:39 (5,410 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Larry, Best of luck with such a beautiful machine. (I would have picked the red also). Keep us posted on all the loads that you do this weekend.

Ray


Post# 354795 , Reply# 57   6/5/2009 at 08:28 (5,410 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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You know Ray?
I've saved my whites for the main test because my towels and wash cloths are white and somewhat grey because of the liquid body soap that I was using,
and in just one washing with Tide HE Original/STPP and LCB the cloths are cleaner looking than being washed in my TL'r.
Don't get me wrong, they were clean, but since this washer uses so little water, the detergent is very concentrated to remove stains
that requires multible washes to get as clean as in one wash in a FL'r.

If you look at the pile of cloths next to the box of Bold PLus, those were washed in the FL'r.
The two Cloths below the pile was washed in my TL'r..
Notice the difference!?!


Post# 354797 , Reply# 58   6/5/2009 at 08:34 (5,410 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Can you believe the difference?

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See it for yourself!
Un-retouched
Side by side.......


Post# 354804 , Reply# 59   6/5/2009 at 09:11 (5,410 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Wow Great Clean

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Wow,CleanteamofNY...now that's what I call clean, baby!
Ahhh, the power of Electrolux...LOL.

Boy does that machine look tall next to a standard dryer.

Well the best of luck and please keep us posted.


Post# 354813 , Reply# 60   6/5/2009 at 09:41 (5,410 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
WOW

Hi Larry, I really so happy for you. I am also glad that I sent you the reviews and did some research and guided you in the right direction. I used to use the liquid body soap and did experience the same. SInce I have sensitive skin I switched back to Dove bar soap.

I try to tell all my friends that front loaders are better. But.....a lot of Americans want the job done quick. But, as you know, quicker is not always better. WHen I had top loaders, I always ran the whites and most of the wash through a soak or pre=wash. Yes...this did take longer, but when the whites were put out on the line, you could really see the difference. A lot of people just do not know how to wash slothes, they throw it in, and hope for the best. In my LG I usually run a pre-wash and also the stain cycle, sometimes the sanitary cycle. My sons white sock come out spotless. My sons friends sometimes leavy their sock here, I wash them and their mom, (our good friend) cannot beliewe how nice the come out. Of course....nothing like LCB also. lol

A friend of mine and his wife just bouth the Ge front loaders. She complained that it too so long, but after a few weeks, it did not bother her, since she noticed a big difference in the clothes.


Larry....I just tried the new Cheer 2x HE. It is really great for a liquid. I still ilke the Tide powder HE and I am still trying the find the Cheer HE 2x powder.

You will see as you go along how nice the wssh comes out. I mean a 9 or 10 min wash in a top loader???? What is that going to do? Unless, the load is very ligthly soiled.

Keep us posted on more loads.

Now I really want this machine. lol lol

I also like the Shaklee Powder HE. A nice clean scent, no flowers or cady smelling laundry. lol



Ray


Post# 354815 , Reply# 61   6/5/2009 at 09:50 (5,410 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Just think how nice those white skievies will come out??? lol lol

I keep fogetting to get sstp. Glad you reminded me in your post.

Well....Larry, when is the wash-in??????


Post# 354817 , Reply# 62   6/5/2009 at 10:11 (5,410 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Ray, thanks for the reviews and recommendations!

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That cady smell is Tide HE, it reeks but cleans well!
LOL

I do some what regret not getting the TOL Lux because of cycle flexiblity but to wash a comforter really does not matter as long as the job gets done and that will be tommorrow.
The instruction manual lacks giving info on washing bulky items with the correct cycle..... Why is that?
Also, I do have a bottle of Cheer HE but havn't washed a load with it yet.
And I do like the scent of Cheer regular and Tide with Dawn. Mild and not over powering.

Just be patient, you will get a set when the time is right!
As for a washin, maybe late fall, getting a plumber to work some piping around here is like fisting a chicken.

LOL.


Post# 354819 , Reply# 63   6/5/2009 at 10:22 (5,410 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
I do some what regret not getting the TOL Lux

Larry, Seara is very good at exchanging. If you really, really want the Wave Touch TOL, And the Wave touch has a button to have the light on during the wash cycle, I am sure Sears would exchange.

Post# 354842 , Reply# 64   6/5/2009 at 12:12 (5,410 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Bulky Items...

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I think the reason that Electrolux doen't have a "Bulky" cycle is because the smarts are built into each cycle so it doen't need one.

I don't think Euro washers have a "Bulky" cycle, I believe it's an American thing...maybe just another cycle to add to the lineup of cycles.


Post# 354843 , Reply# 65   6/5/2009 at 12:20 (5,410 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

The bulky cycle isn't important.

It's just a "commercial" cycle.


Here in Brazil, some Electrolux models used to have up to 30 different cycles, including "ordinary pants and shirts", "dress pants and shirts" and "black pants and shirts" and also more than 15 selectable options for each cycle.

of course a model with zillions of repeated cycles is much more expensive than a model with four or five cycles


Post# 354856 , Reply# 66   6/5/2009 at 13:39 (5,410 days old) by favorit ()        
Indeed some FLs have too many cycles

.... that, as Thomas wrote, are other standard cycles with some options selected by default.

I.e. in the euro mieles "dress shirts" is basically a "perma press" without interim spins, with max 600 rpm final spin and with a default waterplus/higher level.

"Jeans/denim" is again a "permapress" without interim spins, with a 3rd rinse and max 900 rpm final spin

"dark clothes" is a "cottons" with higher wash/rinse levels, interim spins and max 1200 rpm final spin instead of 1600

So which cycle works best to wash some black denim shirts ??
They're shirts, but they're denim and they're black too ..

Choose Perma press with waterplus/higher level, low/med spin speed and go !


To cut a long story short, I think that user's brain is the best programmer.
It's the user that should force the machine to do what he/she wants, not the machine performing mystery cycles.

When one learns driving cars, he/she (should) learn the behaviour of the car in various situations.
The same should be with washers. The consumer should know why the machine has a certain behaviour. I.e. why wool can't stand tumbles and it can't stand pulse spins ? Why syntetics do need a cooldown at the end of the washbath ?

I am not saying that everyone should have the skills of professional laundry techs, just should know a little more about this mysterious "washing box" .
Everyone drives a car, but not everyone is a F1 driver ;-))
Yet everyone should know how to drive on wet/frozen roads

Sadly companies don't think so. They deal with customers as they were cave people, giving them silly things such as that stupid "stuffed animals" cycle in the new W5000/6000 mieles.
Who could use that ?? maybe MrBean as Teddy's spa ?!? :-))

Not a case they have also some "plain" models (W3903 - basic cycles, big prints, no gadgets)



Post# 354861 , Reply# 67   6/5/2009 at 14:15 (5,410 days old) by suburbanmd (Maryland, USA)        
Bulky cycle

I would've thought that bulky items, too big to tumble around much, would tend to get wet only around the outside, if there's no bulky cycle to tell the machine to somehow treat them differently.

Post# 354888 , Reply# 68   6/5/2009 at 16:49 (5,409 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Not so

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Suburbanmd....

Most new front loaders have pressure sensors in them that register the water level. As a result the fill, tumble and then depending on how much water has been absorbed the level in the drum will have dropped and they fill some more until the load stops absorbing...there fore the water level stops dropping


Post# 354893 , Reply# 69   6/5/2009 at 17:36 (5,409 days old) by suburbanmd (Maryland, USA)        

ronhic, I'm thinking of the case where the load is a comforter (doona in Australia, right?) big enough so it turns along with the drum and doesn't tumble. Then the same surface keeps coming into contact with the water at the bottom. It would get good and wet, but that wetness would only migrate slowly to the center of the comforter, no?

Post# 354903 , Reply# 70   6/5/2009 at 18:26 (5,409 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Bulky Items

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Domestic front loaders have several methods for doing "bulky" items such as pillows and duvets.

Miele amoung others has a special cycle for "comforters" and pillows where first the machine will do a very fast spin to get the air out of the item, the commences with washing and rinsing using high water levels.

Other front loaders simply instruct one to load bulky items a certian way, then commence with a wash programme that uses high water levels for washing and rinsing.

Personally feel anything larger than a double sized comforter, should go to either a commercial laundry or off to the laundromat for one of the huge "triple" sized front loaders.

Besides tubs with more than enough volume to handle bulky items, the wash and rinse action IMHO is more through because entire item gets exposed to water. Also down filled items can hold LOTS of water and become quit heavy. Unless the domestic washing machine in question has sturdy build quality and programs designed to cope with large volumes of water and perhaps suds being extracted quite quickly, there may be problems. Persons have literally caused their home front loaders to bash themselves to bits trying to cope with a very unbalanced, and heavy load.

L.


Post# 354918 , Reply# 71   6/5/2009 at 20:36 (5,409 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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You might be surprised just how fast the water moves to the middle of the load...especially if it is a synthetic comforter...less then 10minutes I reckon...

...it is something you can try anyway. I can pause my machine and open the door on washes cooler than 60c and if you can do the same (pause/add) you can tell - just stick your hand in the middle and feel


Post# 354925 , Reply# 72   6/5/2009 at 21:37 (5,409 days old) by suburbanmd (Maryland, USA)        
ronhic

Thanks, but I wasn't asking for myself (have a Miele with comforters cycle). Rather, I was commenting on Thomas' statement that a bulky cycle isn't important. Also, when the Electroluxes were announced in the US, I looked at the manuals online, and was surprised at the lack of a bulky cycle, especially in such a large machine that would seem ideal for comforters.

Post# 354929 , Reply# 73   6/5/2009 at 22:19 (5,409 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
"Lack of a bulky cycle..."

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Like I said, for a front loading washer to cope with large and heavy items that will also hold lots of water, requires a certian level of design and build quality.

In theory any front loading washer should be able to handle "bulky" items. Though how clean the item will be, and in what condition it and the washing machine will be in afterwards is another matter.

L.


Post# 354966 , Reply# 74   6/6/2009 at 05:50 (5,409 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Our Electrolux washer does have a Bulky Items cycle. Here's the video:





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Post# 354967 , Reply# 75   6/6/2009 at 05:55 (5,409 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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And if you scroll down the playlist, you can see how it copes with a feather bed:

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Post# 354995 , Reply# 76   6/6/2009 at 09:42 (5,409 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
Bulky vs modern FLs

I agree with the difference of having a spin before the fill. it helps (sometimes).

But if we get a modern front loader, for example Frigidaire Affinity or the new Electrolux, we would discover they don't have a bulky items cycle.

The answer is very simple and can be compared to a previous post above.

What if the comforter is made of black denim? Which cycle? Bulky, blacks or jeans?

The solutions is very simple.

no matter if it's bulky or not. the machine should be smart enough to detect the load. just choose the cycle based on the fabric. (cotton, sysnthetics) and it's soil level (too dirty, heavy cycle. Not so dirty, normal cycle, etc..) That's why I say the bulky cycle isn't important.

Both machines will detect a bulky item by itself and ouviously use more water (much more).

Also, during the spin, is ouvious a lot of water will come out of the clothes and it can cause a huge problem. The machine should be smart enough to detect it too. Both machines (even having those monster pumps) stop spinning immediatelly and start draining again. no matter how many times it's necessary to do these ramps, they will do it and save the machine.

Yesterday I washed two thin (but very big) comforters at the same time in my Affinity. everything came out perfectly clean and rinsed (even being a HE machine).

If you pause (for 10 minutes) one of these machines during the wash, you'll see there's a lot of water, much above the bottom of the door.


Post# 355021 , Reply# 77   6/6/2009 at 11:16 (5,409 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Bulky Cycle is needed on this machine

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As for the water level in this machine, it's consistance in all cycles, 1/2 inch in the front to 4-5 inches in the rear.
The water level never goes to the door seal in any cycles including delicate.

Just finished doing two comforters and they washed well.
BUT as for the mattress pad, I used the Sanitary cycle which is 2 hours long and one of the three stains did not wash out.
Tide powder did not breakdown during the cycle. I've already dried it and didn't take note of it until it was placed
back on mattress and returned to the box spring. I will re-wash tomorrow after my B-friend leaves.
I wish these MFG would give the user three choices of water levels : Auto, Med and High.


Post# 355027 , Reply# 78   6/6/2009 at 12:03 (5,409 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Try Stain Clean option?

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CleanteamofNY...
Did you try the "Stain Clean" option? If not try that the second time around.

Did you try LCB? That could be another thing to try to remove the stains that didn't remove the first time.


Post# 355028 , Reply# 79   6/6/2009 at 12:09 (5,409 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

sure, during the wash and rinse cycles, water should never reach the door seal

what i mentioned about water above the door during the long pauses is only to demonstrate how much water it uses when washing a bulky and absorvent load.

There's something I don't like on those machines. the water spray above the door.

if the water pressure is too low in your house, water won't spray and there will be a lot of detergent residue on the glass.


Post# 355044 , Reply# 80   6/6/2009 at 12:56 (5,409 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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The stain clean button in a 5 minuet soak break within the wash cycle.
Really un-called for when there is not much water in the unit!
And I did used LCB!?!


Post# 355066 , Reply# 81   6/6/2009 at 13:47 (5,409 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

This 5 minutes stain clean option sounds too dumb, but at least it istill agitating (with long pauses) and the rotation is sinchronized to let all the parts soaking for a few seconds.

It's not one of the world's 7 wonders, but it's better than nothing.


Post# 355100 , Reply# 82   6/6/2009 at 17:33 (5,408 days old) by frapdoodle ()        

Now Does The Electrolux Come With The Pedestal??

I Know I Spelt It Wrong

-Chance In His House


Post# 355127 , Reply# 83   6/6/2009 at 20:36 (5,408 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Yes

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It does at the cost of $250.00 per stal.....

Post# 355150 , Reply# 84   6/6/2009 at 23:10 (5,408 days old) by autowasherfreak ()        

I can't believe how much the manufacturers charge for the pedastals. I don't even use mine, I just like them for the added height. Mine were included with the rental payment from Rent-a-Center.

Post# 355158 , Reply# 85   6/6/2009 at 23:42 (5,408 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
So these can be rented?

I may like to try one for a week, just to see what it does! Also, there's a couple Whirlpool top-loaders I'd like to test as well. Maybe I should look them up.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 355239 , Reply# 86   6/7/2009 at 12:03 (5,408 days old) by autowasherfreak ()        

I left something out on my last post. I rented my Frigidaire set from Rent-a-Center. I don't know if RAC will be carrying the Electrolux machines or not. I know they rent the Whirlpool Duet and at one time the Maytag Neptunes. I don't go in there much anymore since I have everything paid off.

Post# 355240 , Reply# 87   6/7/2009 at 12:11 (5,408 days old) by autowasherfreak ()        

Just checked RAC's website for front load washers they have only the Whirlpool Sport Duet. For top loaders they only have Whirlpool.

When I first started renting the Frigidaire set it was from RentWay, then RentWay was purchased by Rent-a-Center about a year later.


Post# 355766 , Reply# 88   6/9/2009 at 10:35 (5,406 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hi Larry.

How are you making out washing other loads of clothes in your household? How did the mattress pad come out after the second wash. At times, there are stains that have to be pre-treated.


Post# 355783 , Reply# 89   6/9/2009 at 11:20 (5,406 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)        

My Frigidaire with control board trouble:

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Post# 356680 , Reply# 90   6/13/2009 at 03:22 (5,402 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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So far things are a little cleaner and time goes by.
There is a learning curve that takes time, but once getting over that huddle, its get easier!
I must watch my detergent dosing, some detergent will create suds cakes that takes a long time to beat down and Cheer HE ia a bad offender!

Now let the fun begins:
When doing bulky items, the front area takes a long time to get wet, so by starting the wash cycle on Quick Wash,
it allows fresh water to splash on the clothes while filling, then cancel and set the cycle to start a new cycle with detergent.
This is the only way that the front get wet quickly!

Another thing, the machine does not fluff the load after the cycle is completed.
A fluffer job is not all that bad if it's done right?
Right?




Post# 356689 , Reply# 91   6/13/2009 at 08:18 (5,402 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        
bulky loads

I gradually replaced the down comforters with synthetic fill comforters, due to allergies. As Laundress pointed out, these items can contain lots of air, which can inhibit entry of water and soap into the fabric and filling during a wash cycle.

I have a Frigidaire 2140 which does not have a "bulky" cycle. My solution is to run a "soak" cycle with 1/2 dose of detergent and then run a full Heavy cycle. Cleaning is good and there are no balancing problems, because the comforter emerges from "soak" thoroughly saturated (and reduced in volume with the air gone). I follow the same procedure for pillows.

The 2140 does not advance from soak to wash cycle automatically. The machine lacks two separate soap compartments, one for soak and one for wash. I have to be there to reload the soap and restart the machine. However, this is a seldomly used process (several times a year at most, so I only do it when I will be home for a 4-5 hour stretch) and it beats having to buy a new machine. And it works.


Post# 356690 , Reply# 92   6/13/2009 at 08:19 (5,402 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
LOL...Fluffer

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CleanteamofNY...you made me laugh.

No, a fluffer job isn't bad at all if done right but on the other hand maybe it saves a little time in the cycle as a whole...we are talking about fluffing the laundry, right?

I would guess the clothes are plastered against the drum but is a fluffing at the end of the cycle really necessary?


Post# 356897 , Reply# 93   6/14/2009 at 08:20 (5,401 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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George, not exactly!
LOL

Raising the naps gives the skin and clothes goose bumps, making it easier to get the job done quickly.......
LOL


Post# 357027 , Reply# 94   6/14/2009 at 15:20 (5,400 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Weird!

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I just tried something on my DUET. I do have a "soak" cycle on my machine. Here is what happened:

I loaded the machine, started soak cycle with warm water, once it was finished filling I paused the machine and turned to "normal cycle" with "more soil" and "extra rinse" and restarted. The machine filled with more water then tumbled with a good amount of water. The first and second rinses were normal, but here is the weird part. The final (third) rinse was whacked! It barely used ANY water, seriously. It was as if the Duet was saying, "since you used way to much water for the wash, I'm not gonna make up for it in the final rinse!" Literally the final rinse had so little water as compared to a normal rinse I could not believe it.


Post# 357202 , Reply# 95   6/15/2009 at 14:16 (5,400 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
I have a little time on my hands.

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I'm home sick with a sinus cold and I knew that I was coming down with something when my nose started to bleed last week,
so last night tissues balls and towels was used to get the beeding under control. Here's a picture of the towel before placing in the machine.


Post# 357204 , Reply# 96   6/15/2009 at 14:25 (5,400 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
DAMN!

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It looks like someone was stabbed! Hope u get better soon :)

Post# 357206 , Reply# 97   6/15/2009 at 14:29 (5,400 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Yep, it was a bloody mess!

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Where's Thomas?
Cat soup anyone?
LOL


Post# 357208 , Reply# 98   6/15/2009 at 14:32 (5,400 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Thanks and I hope so too!
I need a few days from work, going to see the Doc in the morning snd later in the afternoon Directv is coming by to adjust signal to the dish and I hope to have the pool opened at the saame time.


Post# 357227 , Reply# 99   6/15/2009 at 15:59 (5,399 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Just finished and I still made a few errors but most of the stains came out. I've added STPP mid cycle and the machine over suds.
Right now I'm trying to upload a few AVI's to Flickr for everyone to view.


Post# 358634 , Reply# 100   6/21/2009 at 21:43 (5,393 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Videos?

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CleanteamofNY
I'm anxiously waiting to see the videos...were you able to upload anything?


Post# 358667 , Reply# 101   6/22/2009 at 03:40 (5,393 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Yes

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I'm not satisfied with the way things went.
Oh well, just hand in the in-completed test and hope for the best....


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Post# 358668 , Reply# 102   6/22/2009 at 04:13 (5,393 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
I forgot to tell ya.

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The fluffer's job is done on the delicate cycle.
He/She got it going on!

But why not on the Girly-man cycle (Deep clean, heavy duty, whites, colors)?
Or the Butch cycle (Normal, Casual, Quick Wash)?

I guess it is better when it stuck against the walls, huh?!?


Post# 358704 , Reply# 103   6/22/2009 at 08:35 (5,393 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Thanks CleanteamofNY

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Thanks man for the videos, they look great!
(great lighting)

I have to tell you guys, I found another Electrolux video on Youtube from gemini80204.

Nice to see WATER actualy washing/rinsing in a frontloader...more so than other NEW frontloaders I've seen washing on Youtube.





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Post# 358734 , Reply# 104   6/22/2009 at 12:17 (5,393 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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He got a bowl full of suds going on in there!

Post# 358739 , Reply# 105   6/22/2009 at 12:50 (5,393 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        

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Yeah I noticed the suds too!

But Cleanteam...I got to ask you, does your IQ machine have the "Econo Friendly" option. If it does have you turn it off?
I ask because Gemini's looks like it has more water then yours but his is the WaveTouch and I know from the Energy Star web site the WaveTouch use a little more water.

So I'm trying to see if more water is used turning the "Econo Friendly" feature off or does the WaveTouch just default more water?

I like how you showed the instant unlock of the door on cancel.


Post# 358744 , Reply# 106   6/22/2009 at 14:04 (5,393 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
More Water!

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It was so nice to see more water and a front loader washing the way it should be. It could be because their was more clothes in it and in the first video it was a smaller load of clothes.
Peter


Post# 358752 , Reply# 107   6/22/2009 at 14:52 (5,393 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
OMG

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I checked out gemini's vid on youtube for the rinse in the Electrolux. I can't believe it used that much water to rinse, and this is an AMERICAN FL washer and is Energystar rated. I don't mind shallow water for the wash as that may actually be better as the detergent is more concentrated, but to rinse that is great. Still not using near the amount a TL used but still is a good amount of water. I wonder why Electrolux does this but not on their Frigidaire's?

Post# 358814 , Reply# 108   6/22/2009 at 20:50 (5,392 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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The Eco-Friendly cycle is on the machine and by default it is off.
The E-F is only a temperature dumb-down and not water usage per load (will check manual later).


Post# 358840 , Reply# 109   6/23/2009 at 00:36 (5,392 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
E-F Cycle

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Also preempts Pre-Wash and Extra Rinse, this is where extra water savings occurs.
As for water usage, it is determined from load to load (self adjusting water level).


Post# 358843 , Reply# 110   6/23/2009 at 00:51 (5,392 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
Larry...

Answering to your question, I'm here in my bedroom, on my bed, naked under the comforter, in front of the computer, looking like a guaca mole because i'm using my avocado mosturizing mask. Thank God nobody can see me right now. LOL

I'm very proud of your machine. it makes me feel nostalgic.

By the way, the project of this washer started by the door. (and the whole machine was designed around it.) the original concept we did was the wave panel on the top of the door, a clean panel with a wide dispenser on the center (and the only detail was the dispenser button which was big like your dial), the Electrolux logo was supposed to be centralized having the "E" as door release and the other buttons surrounding the top of the door. Also, it was supposed to have the voice assistant, like the "Washy Talky".
Unfortunatelly (or fortunately) a project always changes a lot from the first draft to the last prototype. most of the design changes are made by mechanical and electronic engineers (operational and construction), limited by the cost of the materials or it's complexity to be produced sequentially and also, the consumer sugestions (that's why the slogan is "thinking of you") and it means reading thousands of consumer emails, hearing hours and hours of 1-800 recordings or even visit some random consumers, because we know each consumer is different from the other (and 99% of them won't read the user manual)

The most funny and interesting about Electrolux is the C.E.O. of course he's a powerful man, HE'S THE BIG BOSS!, but he NEVER used the executive restaurant, he always have lunch and dinner with the production workers interacting with them. nobody can call him "Mister Hans (i can't spell his last name)" he hates that. it's just Hans. Every day he gets a bike and ride across the production lines (that's how he keeps his sexy body). Often he wears an operator uniform and works part time at the production line, in a random shift and random position.
After the shift is not difficult to see him offering a drive home or asking for a random worker to drive him home or he just gets the bus or even walk with a group of colleagues.
If any worker from any unit around the world wants to talk to him, we just need to click on his name on MSN. If you speak english, german, portuguese or swedish and he has the time, he always listens, no matter if you are a high executive in Sweden or the security guard in China. It's almost impossible to find a CEO (in his case friend, father, brother) like him. His atitude motivates the workers and the result can be seen on the Electrolux products.

Unfortunatelly the market tendencies changed and i wasn't happy anymore. I decided to quit and retire, but I still love and will always respect the company that created my career and my life. The company that found me in the college and taught me everything college can't teach.


Anyway, back to your machine after this nostalgy moment, the new golden team was great and did an excellent job. Your machine is simply amazing.

I have to admit it's the first time I see a young designers team make something better than the veterans.


Also, I'm a little jealous because i can't have a machine like yours because this model isn't available in Brazil yet and also it won't pass thru my front door.


Post# 358863 , Reply# 111   6/23/2009 at 04:09 (5,392 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Thomas,

You got more that me, I may have a washer, but you got to know the man behind the company.
For some, it's a life long dream to meet such a person and that has more meaning than a box with electronic dials and pumps.
When the time is right, one of these machine will fit through your doors!



Post# 358895 , Reply# 112   6/23/2009 at 08:14 (5,392 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
Gemini's Video

What a great video. I cannot believe all the water the E-Lux uses. I know it used a lot on the rinses, but there was also a lot on the washes also.

Larry, It seemed that in your video that the Pre-Wash did not use much water at all. Does the main wash use more? Do you rinses you as much water as in the Gemini's video? I know he has thw Wave touch, but that should not matter. Or does it?

If you can would like to see another video of yours in the wash and rinse, or if you could just let us all know if this is the case.

Thanks so much

Ray


Post# 358897 , Reply# 113   6/23/2009 at 08:32 (5,392 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

No Larry, things are not exactly like that.

I remember when i was a kid, dreaming about visiting a factory and maybe know a designer or engineer.

The first day I couldn't believe my eyes I was working in a factory and making the machines, wearing a white jacket with Pereira Lopes logo (brazilian company bought by Prosdocimo and then Electrolux) and my name on the pocket and a grey tie. I was looking like a doctor.

1 month later... So used to it that it was like any other ordinary job. For many times I woke up on a cold and rainy day and said "I'll have to leave this warm bed to go to that cold lab because of that fu**ing machine." By the way, I hate that jacket. it was the most annoying thing I ever had to wear. Loved when Prosdocimo bought Pereira Lopes and authorized me to wear my oldest jeans and t-shirt and sneakers.


The best payment I got (not talking about the wonderful paychecks) was the first time i saw one of my machines (it was a Westinghouse top loader which is now considered vintage here in Brazil) in a store and a housekeeper saying to other "buy this model, i have one and it's great."


"When the time is right, one of these machine will fit through your doors!"

Sure, if I buy my neighbor's apartment and break some walls or hire an helicopter to lift it to the 6th floor and pass it thru the balcony. LOL

when the Affinity (the washer and the dryer) arrived, i had to unpack it on the elevator hall and remove the door (and almost had to use KY jelly on it's sides LOL)





Post# 358904 , Reply# 114   6/23/2009 at 08:45 (5,392 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Ray

Please watch the other Gemini's videos.

Even being part of the beginning of the project of this machine, I'm amazed.


Post# 358957 , Reply# 115   6/23/2009 at 12:09 (5,392 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hi Thomas. I think I watched the Electrolux videos. Are there more to watch by him? Just wondering what ones that you were referring to.

I am also interested in this machine. But I was wondering why Gemini's machine had so much more water in it. Do you think he tweaked it? Or, is there no way that one can do this?

Your expert advise and valued opinion is welcomed.

Thanks so much

Ray

PS: I would go for the extra bucks if I knew that the Wave Touch did in fact add more water.


Post# 358971 , Reply# 116   6/23/2009 at 12:51 (5,392 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Ray

Just click on the link above, it will open Gemini's youtube channel.
there's a big video and if you scroll down the screen, you'll see there are a few more videos.

The water level is correct. This machine has a higer water level if compared to other HE front loaders.

Talking like Thomas the washing machines lover and collector, not the former Electrolux designer, this machine is the best option available in the US (maybe in the world) in 2009.


Post# 358975 , Reply# 117   6/23/2009 at 13:04 (5,392 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

The only way to put more water in it is using a jug or a hose to put more water in the dispenser. there's no way to increase the water level by the hidden software or readjusting the pressure switch.

But if you put too much water, it will activate the antiflood system and the machine will cancel the cycle and drain.


By the way, this machine is like it's cousin Frigidaire Affinity. It has a "secondary" software hidden somewhere in it's diagnosis mode. I just can't remember the sequence to enter it, but I'll ask my colleagues to send me some instructions.



Post# 358987 , Reply# 118   6/23/2009 at 13:58 (5,392 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Thomas. When I watched Larry's video, it had much less water in it as opposed to Gemini's

If you look at the Energy Star ratings on the internet, (You can Google this), The Wave Touch does use more water.

Just was wondering in your opinion when you watched both videos, did the Wave Touch look like it had more water than Larry's??

Thanks so much.

Ray


Post# 358992 , Reply# 119   6/23/2009 at 14:23 (5,392 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Rayjay

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I'm wondering the exact same thing. The Wave Touch is 500 dollars more than the lower model. I am fascinated by this machine after seeing Gemini's videos vs cleanteam's vids. On Gemini's video you can see he DOES NOT choose the eco option. I wonder if it does use slightly more water. Someone call Electrolux. LOL

Post# 359008 , Reply# 120   6/23/2009 at 15:05 (5,391 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hi Mark. I may just call Electrolux. Larry states that the Eco button only eliminates the pre wash and extra rinse.
It just does not make sense that Electrolux would have the same machines, one IQ and one Wave with different amounts of water.


Post# 359009 , Reply# 121   6/23/2009 at 15:09 (5,391 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Technically it does...


Let the poor people save water to protect the environment so the rich ones can spend more.


I hate that but... it's a fact.


Post# 359010 , Reply# 122   6/23/2009 at 15:10 (5,391 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Did you notice Affinity also uses more water than Gallery?


technically they are the "same" machine


Post# 359016 , Reply# 123   6/23/2009 at 15:30 (5,391 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Thomas, Why would Electrolux make the Wave Touch use more water? Not that I am complaining. lol

Post# 359054 , Reply# 124   6/23/2009 at 17:37 (5,391 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Wait

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The FINAL rinse in the Electrolux is the deeper rinse, I do believe. I think cleanteam showed one of the first rinses in the video but not the final rinse. Also, you noticed when Gemini washed three king sized blankets; I'm suspecting the wash water was a little deeper because perhaps they used "bulky" or something similar. I don't think any "poor" people will be purchasing the IQ Touch or Wave Touch as they are both EXPENSIVE! :)

Post# 359106 , Reply# 125   6/23/2009 at 22:14 (5,391 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
Ray

In other words, to force people buy the most expensive model.

If the TOL model uses more water, it's obvious it will get a better cleaning and rinsing rating so... "It's much more expensive, but it cleans better".

The same happenes in Brazil many years ago with the vintage brastemp (that looks like a lady kenmore).
There was the BOL "special" model, the MOL "luxo" and the TOL "Gran Luxo".

BOL: 1 cycle, 1 speed, 1 water level, 1 temperature
MOL: 2 cycles, 1 speed, water level "infinite" control, 1 temperature
TOL: 3 cycles, 2 speeds, infinite control plus extra low, 3 temperatures (and obviously with hot water, it would clean better.)


Post# 359133 , Reply# 126   6/23/2009 at 23:21 (5,391 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Yeah but

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Most people who buy one of these machines are not going to be buying it for that reason. I don't think they even market it as "uses more water". Besides, if this were the case, wouldn't the other highest end washers use more water than the mid or lower end FL washers?

Post# 359197 , Reply# 127   6/24/2009 at 09:13 (5,391 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Thomas, Thanks for the info. I just wish that it can be confirmed that the Wave Touch uses more water. I and others out here may want to buy this machine. After delivery and set up we do not want to be disappointed.

Post# 359213 , Reply# 128   6/24/2009 at 11:18 (5,391 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Time for minuet by minuet play

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Photos of water level during the wash cycle.

Doing sheets on Heavy Duty.
Prewash Water level


Post# 359215 , Reply# 129   6/24/2009 at 11:20 (5,391 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Prewash

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Extra wated added during cycle.
Not much of a difference......


Post# 359216 , Reply# 130   6/24/2009 at 11:29 (5,391 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Wash cycle fill

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Wash cycle water level

Post# 359217 , Reply# 131   6/24/2009 at 11:31 (5,391 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Wash cycle fill

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Extra water added to cycle.

Post# 359221 , Reply# 132   6/24/2009 at 12:08 (5,391 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
First rinse

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Water level

Post# 359227 , Reply# 133   6/24/2009 at 12:37 (5,391 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Larry

Please try to position the drum exatly on the same position before taking the photos.

It would be easier to compare the water levels.


By the way, that's a good idea, I think I'll do the same with my Brazilian Ecoturbo so we can compare if there's any difference from the american Affinity.


Post# 359231 , Reply# 134   6/24/2009 at 13:02 (5,391 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Second Rinse

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Thomas, It's not easy to do when the camera on a stand and must be moved to open door. I'll try again when I have more free time.

Post# 359232 , Reply# 135   6/24/2009 at 13:04 (5,391 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Final Rinse

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Water level is up to the rim of the inner basket.

Post# 359234 , Reply# 136   6/24/2009 at 13:10 (5,391 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

I think i found a better way to compare...

I think I'm going to use a ruler.


Post# 359259 , Reply# 137   6/24/2009 at 15:16 (5,390 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Pretty decent water level

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Really appreciate the time you took to do this:) I know you said that the eco option, whether chosen or not, had nothing to do with the water level for each fill, but just to make sure, did you leave eco option off during the running of this wash? Thanks :)

Post# 359277 , Reply# 138   6/24/2009 at 17:47 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Yes I did Mark, it just prevents you from using Pre-Wash and Extra Rinse with a Dumb-Down Hot/Warm wash temperatures.

Post# 359279 , Reply# 139   6/24/2009 at 17:56 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
The Manual

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Just a few pages.

Post# 359280 , Reply# 140   6/24/2009 at 17:57 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Continues

Post# 359281 , Reply# 141   6/24/2009 at 17:59 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Continues

Post# 359282 , Reply# 142   6/24/2009 at 18:02 (5,390 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Thanks

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Hmmm. Well I guess the IQ Touch does use less water than the Wave Touch. Interesting. Even though, based on those pics I looked at, your IQ Touch uses MORE water than my nearly 5 year old Duet.

Post# 359283 , Reply# 143   6/24/2009 at 18:05 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Continues

Post# 359284 , Reply# 144   6/24/2009 at 18:10 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Continues

Post# 359285 , Reply# 145   6/24/2009 at 18:14 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Continues

Post# 359286 , Reply# 146   6/24/2009 at 18:17 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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almost done

Post# 359287 , Reply# 147   6/24/2009 at 18:19 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Getting close

Post# 359288 , Reply# 148   6/24/2009 at 18:26 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Done

Post# 359291 , Reply# 149   6/24/2009 at 18:33 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Bonus

Post# 359416 , Reply# 150   6/25/2009 at 07:30 (5,390 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Thanks Larry

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Thanks for taking the time to post the water level pictures.
Looks pretty decent. More than any other non-Electrolux washer I've seen.

I did write an e-mail to Electrolux and asked about the different water usage levels between the two models (WaveTouch vs. IQ-Touch), compared on the Energy Star web site and got a very lame explanation.

This is the answer I got back:

"The difference is the cycles.And how many rinses and such.


Charles James
TID Specialist
706-651-7219"

Oh well...now I don't think the WaveTouch uses an added cycle because the total cycle times would be different between the two machine models. Each cycle time stated in the manual for each machine is the same. An added rinse would increase total cycle time so Charles James has to be wrong. Each machine has the same exact cycles (listed in each manual) and cycle times.

My conclusion would be either more water is used over all in the entire cycle of the WaveTouch or it's using more water in the rinses as compared to the IQ-Touch.


Post# 359422 , Reply# 151   6/25/2009 at 07:55 (5,390 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hi George. I did send a message to Gemini, but have not received a response yet. I will send again. I will also try calling this number and see if someone else answers and gives a different answer. I did look up the Wave Touch, (which was rated very high, Number 2 in Comsumer Reports on-line), and the user reviews were all high, except for one where the machine was delivered DOA. lol

Will keep everyone posted.


Post# 359423 , Reply# 152   6/25/2009 at 08:16 (5,390 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

I think it's time for me to phone an old friend in Curitiba - Brazil...

Post# 359431 , Reply# 153   6/25/2009 at 08:49 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Please call Thomas and give us the scoop!

Post# 359442 , Reply# 154   6/25/2009 at 09:04 (5,390 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
Thanks to Mr. Cesar Aymore from Electrolux Guabirotuba...

The TOL model has a water level 1 or 2cm higher than the BOL model, according to the cycle.

The max limit is 2mm below the gasket limit (it means, if you open the washer and press down the clothes, a few drops will leak.)

If too much detergent is used, the suds detector will activate. the second and third rinses will make the door remain locked and it will fill up to 3cm above the gasket. it can make the machine rinse up to four times more than the normal rinses and extra sinse if selected.


Post# 359443 , Reply# 155   6/25/2009 at 09:05 (5,390 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

By the way, He's the man that created the cycles.

Post# 359445 , Reply# 156   6/25/2009 at 09:07 (5,390 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

In 30 years, these machine will be loved as the vintage Maytags...

compared to the others... (I don't need to say anything, it can't be compared)


Post# 359448 , Reply# 157   6/25/2009 at 09:12 (5,390 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

I forgot to say...

The TOL version has stainless steel spiders.


Post# 359452 , Reply# 158   6/25/2009 at 09:31 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Off Topic for one brief moment

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Can a TL do a Quick Wash?
Yes!

The quick wash on my Kenmore can be acheived by using the rinse cycle with a 2nd rinse with the Wrinkle Guard on for a total of 14 minuets.

4 Minute Agitate Using (Heavy Duty, Regular)
1 Minuet Drain
2 Minuet Spin
4 Minuet Agitate
1 Minuet Drain
2 Minuet Spin

Total of 14 Minutes.



2 Minute Agitate Using (Delicate, Extra Delicate, Hand wash)
1 Minuet Drain
2 Minuet Spin
2 Minuet Agitate
1 Minuet Drain
2 Minuet Spin

Total of 10 Minuets



Minute Agitate (Permanent Press)
Minuet Drain
Minuet Spin
Minuet Agitate
Minuet Drain
Minuet Spin

Total is 12 Minuets but not sure of the time breakdown!

Now when comparing the two, it's about the same time due to filling of the TL'r and the Balancing Act of the FL'r.
More or less very close to 20 minuets


Post# 359453 , Reply# 159   6/25/2009 at 09:37 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Back on subject.

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I need to recharge the battery on the Canon camera and film the Delicate Cycle.
It is extremely gentle and has a very slow agitation.


Post# 359454 , Reply# 160   6/25/2009 at 09:41 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Thomas, thanks for the phone call to confirm that the TOL is a better machine in some ways.
I'm in the process of getting Sears to do the exchange, I'm still waiting on their call back.


Post# 359457 , Reply# 161   6/25/2009 at 09:53 (5,390 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Upgrade

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Larry I hope they allow the upgrade to the WaveTouch...then we'll have top notch comparison between the two machines.

Keep on Sears's butt. I had a bad experience with them for a TV repair that they never actually performed but getting a phone call from them was horrific.


Post# 359509 , Reply# 162   6/25/2009 at 13:00 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
The call just came in!

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Sears will be exchanging the machine Sunday July 5th and if all goes well.
I will have lots of towels to wash if I can get my pool opened for that weekend.
It looks like the water has not been serviced in 2 or 3 seasons. Just as dark as spinach soup.....


Post# 359513 , Reply# 163   6/25/2009 at 13:04 (5,390 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

HTH will do wonders to your pool.

Post# 359515 , Reply# 164   6/25/2009 at 13:06 (5,390 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

I mean...
you can find HTH in the US too, right?
Not sure if it's a global company or a local brazilian company.


Post# 359518 , Reply# 165   6/25/2009 at 13:19 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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It is here and I'm quite new to this, just another thing on the to do list!

Post# 359519 , Reply# 166   6/25/2009 at 13:27 (5,390 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Well, if you can find the HTH products and you have a good filter, things are going to be veeeeeeeeeeeeery easy.

I have an Intex pop up pool in my apartment (no I'm not crazy) and I always fill it on the summers. Of course it's much easier to care when it's not in a garden exposed to rain, leaves and other debris.

If you cheate a proper thread, i can tell you some tips I discovered with my pop up pool.


Post# 359528 , Reply# 167   6/25/2009 at 14:25 (5,390 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Stainless Steel Spider

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R u kidding me? Wow! That much be a FIRST for an American FL washer! The only thing that concerns me with these hi tech FL washers is the computer/electronics going whacko. Hopefully they have prevented this in these machines. I have wanted to see someone make a video of the "bulky" cycle on the Duet, but I don't see it anywhere. Mine lacks it and I hear it uses a lot more water. I'm kicking myself for not getting the TOL duet at the time

Post# 359529 , Reply# 168   6/25/2009 at 14:27 (5,390 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Yeah!

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Great to hear Sears called and they'll be bringing the even newer toy July fifth (keeping my fingers crossed for you).

I can't wait to hear the review and see the new pictures.
Best of luck!


Post# 359543 , Reply# 169   6/25/2009 at 15:17 (5,389 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Something i remember from the first instruction meeting, when the big boss told us we were going to create a machine to american market. his speech was something like this:

"At the moment americans are afraid of HE washers and everything available from our competitors is much less than the Electrolux standard. They are not used to front loaders like the countries you're used to work. It will be very difficult to change their top loaders love, but not impossible. You must do your best. Americans see Electrolux as a vintage vaccum cleaner manufacturer and most of them don't even know Frigidaire is part of our family. The first one have to be the best machine they ever had to create our new identity. you and you (pointing at two colleagues) are going to spend two months in Augusta, gathering 1-800 informations and visiting some costumers that bought Frigidaire FL. you and you (pointing at me and my partner) will study these informations and interact with the Affinity team to get what they are going to launch. (affinity wasn't launched yet) To put clear, Elux must be even better than Frigidaire. The other Elux appliances will be made by the Icon team, and we won't accept nothing less than the icon concept. We're the biggest aren't we? So let's kick the competitor's ass (refering to you know who) and show them how to make a decent washing machine. Any question? no question, great! ok now go!!! Time's running! go go go!"

This meeting happened in São Carlos, almost 10 years ago.


Post# 359544 , Reply# 170   6/25/2009 at 15:20 (5,389 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

By the way, it was the shortest meeting in my whole life...
The big boss entered the room, said good morning and started to "throw up" the words.

The whole meeting lasted less than two minutes and he left the room banging the door behind him.


Post# 359546 , Reply# 171   6/25/2009 at 15:29 (5,389 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
Here's another problem:

With a slower economy, many folks are looking towards appliances built stateside. People have lost jobs due to operations being sent overseas. Regardless of how nice and good this machine may be, I will buy local and only consider foreign if there are no other choices available. It's just a matter of time before other countries start an embargo against the United States, when all our manufacturing and engineering are lost. I won't be impressed until I see some American jobs created.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 359659 , Reply# 172   6/26/2009 at 00:06 (5,389 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
Norfolk

You have no idea how this crisis afected Electrolux.

If that meeting mentioned above had happened 20 years ago, today Maytag would be an Electrolux brand and maybe Whirlpool would be only in our memories.

Electrolux started the project Electroluxusa some time before whirlmanaidtag case.
The original idea was increase the margin between Whirlpool and Electrolux.

Well, then whirlpool started to open it's pocket and buy everything they could see in front of them and Electrolux had to change the original plan and spend much more to recover the status of world's manufacturer. (and the Electroluxusa project got an injection of rocket fuel.)

The idea was create a huge nightmare to whirlpool. in one hand, Whirlpool with it's arrogance and poor crap, in other hand, Electrolux making things to match exactly the consumer's needs and offering excellent prices.

There was going to have other products, including a washer-dryer combo and small appliances, even the return of a brand in the US and three new brands in Latin America.
Whirlpool would beg Electrolux to stop.

After some billions of dollars invested, the crisis suddenly arrived a few months after the launch of the Electrolux brand in the US..

Things that one could never imagine, just happened.

During my career at Electrolux I never had to worry about my job and i've never seen any of my colleagues worried too.
Suddenly I turn on the tv and i see on the news that Electrolux closed a plant in Europe. OMG what's going on? Electrolux just closes a plant when it's not profitable or there are significant incentives in other region, but they always try to transfer ALL of the workers and their families. seeing thousands of workers being fired at the same time was as shocking as the images of 9/11 attacks.

at that moment, the fist thing i thought was what would be Hans doing. he allows himself an emotional feeling for every single worker. Each one of the fired workers would be painful like loosing a son. He loves that company more than his family and he loves each oe of the workers more than himself.

This highlighted love he always demonstrated was the key to help putting down the fire. Like always, the leader gave the motivation and the example. His first attitude was cutting 100% of his salary. He's working for free, receiving only a little help. Many workers decided to follow him and do the same, offering their salaries to save the colleagues jobs. It saved thousands of jobs and at least three more plants in europe.

second attitude was start putting things on it's place after the earthquake. Time to cleanup, restore, recreate and adapt to the new condition.

Many former workers decided to go back and give some help. I remember my friend John was here in Brazil. I have made a promess a few years ago, NEVER GO BACK TO APPLIANCES INDUSTRY! I remember we were at the duty free shop in argentina, having a cup of coffee and I was talking about the wonderful years at Electrolux and all the incentives they gave me. That moment was magic and accidentally helped me to decide to call my colleagues and let them know I was available to go back for free too. Electroux helped me many times. They payed my college extention course and they never asked me a cent back. Now they need a little help, why not help? I'm old, I'm very rusted, but I remember I know every inch of the four plants I've worked, I still remember how to use a nankin pen and a compass. I remember how to make a clay model and if neceary I know how to operate every one of the production machines, from the screwdriver to the steel press.

all the other workers focused even more on Electrolux best thing: the efficiency. reduce quality control reprovals would save lots of money. reduce warranty services would save even more. We're not selling so much, so we can speed the production lines, fill the stocks and close the plant for one or two days. millions of dollars saved on electricity, water, transport and catering around the world.

yes honney, even catering. if we consider only a glass of juice, that's nothing. but when we put together ALL the workers from all the plants round the world, we discover we need some olimpic swimming pools full of juice to be served in a single lunch.
Nobody complained. everybody loved it.

And it worked! Electrolux is almost 100% recovered from the world crisis. It wasn't necessary my help, but the knew I was available if necessary. The help i always gave and will always give is recommend Electrolux Appliances and insist like an Herbalife seller.
I know the product, I know who made it. and I know that "thinking of you" is much more than a slogan. Every time I see an electrolux appliance made in a plant that I know, I try to imagine every part of it being made. One of Cleanteam's videos (or pictures, i don't remember) shows him reflected on the dial. It's so nice to know that I passed in front of the machine that makes that knob two or three times a day. were the two operators that make that knob chatting about their families, the latest gossip or completely silent, focused on the job? That wonderful noise of the safety grill closing and opening, the compressed air ejecting them from the mould. the noise of the knob being thrown on the container together with other 49 "sisters". That wonderful noise of the pneumatic screwdrivers "simphony" created when the operators decide to sinchronize their screws, making "screwdriver remix" of popular songs we all know.

Next time you see an Electrolux appliance, remember more than 60 people touched it and almost 400 were involved with its project, construction, or transport. Some parts may come from countries that we have no idea where it is. Remember your appliance was nothing more than a huge roll of steel and a bag of plastic beans and now it has a soul created by each one of the members of The electrolux family.
If you open an electrolux appliance and find an internal part with a hand written date and the signature of the operator who did it. that's not an internal control as electrolux uses bar codes. all the operators are allowed to do that if it's not visible and won't make them loose the pace just to give some personality to the products. that's "thinking of you" too.


now back from other boring nostalgic moment: when ElectroluxUSA appliances were launched, we would never imagine the crisis. it was a disaster but the team did their job and we all can see a strong light by the end of the tunnel.
I'm also very optimistic with Mr. Obama's solutions. Soon, not only the american companies and citizens, but the whole world will be freed from this crisis the same way Electrolux got free.

and when it happens, you'll see the products cheaper and all the consumers will consider the electrolux brand, just a little bit more expensive than "the other brand", but much better.



Post# 359660 , Reply# 173   6/26/2009 at 00:16 (5,389 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Well guys, sorry for the log and boring text...

Maybe I should write a book. I already have the title: Boring memories of a former worker that has nothing better to do.


warning! this book can have the same effect of sleeping pills. LOL


Post# 359664 , Reply# 174   6/26/2009 at 02:08 (5,389 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

One of Cleanteam's videos (or pictures, i don't remember) shows him reflected on the dial. It's so nice to know that I passed in front of the machine that makes that knob two or three times a day. were the two operators that make that knob chatting about their families, the latest gossip or completely silent, focused on the job? That wonderful noise of the safety grill closing and opening, the compressed air ejecting them from the mould. the noise of the knob being thrown on the container together with other 49 "sisters". That wonderful noise of the pneumatic screwdrivers "simphony" created when the operators decide to sinchronize their screws, making "screwdriver remix" of popular songs we all know.

And you had the privilege, I am sure it was quite pleasant. Perhaps you would appreciate it even more had your plant closed, like so many did here due to this so-called "global" economy and "ownership society" that Dubya Bush started. Well, it actually started earlier with NAFTA, which Clinton pushed like a drug dealer selling rocks. What's done is done.

It is not your fault that a lot of folks in the States have a certain animosity towards foreign products. Had we kept our manufacturing base, then nobody would have anything bad to say about your company. But due to many unfortunate circumstances caused by people in power and large corporations wanting to make a quick buck without oversight, you're not going to sell as many washers. This is very unfortunate indeed, and it was all caused by GREED.

Next time you see an Electrolux appliance, remember more than 60 people touched it and almost 400 were involved with its project, construction, or transport. Some parts may come from countries that we have no idea where it is. Remember your appliance was nothing more than a huge roll of steel and a bag of plastic beans and now it has a soul created by each one of the members of The electrolux family.

The average consumer who purchases that machine is not going to give one iota who or what was involved in making it. It came from the store, just like the loaf of bread they picked up at the local Kroger. At least I'm smart enough to know that a farmer and few bakers were involved in making the bread. I also know that people in Greenville, Michigan took a lot of pride in making Frigidaire refrigerators and freezers at one time. But not any more. So a knob with somebody's signature is, well, a knob. For all I know, it must have been made in China like most of the stuff you buy at Wal-Mart. Heck, even jet engines are made in China.

At least Whirlpool still makes their top-loaders in Clyde, Ohio. I also met some of the people who built my KitchenAid mixer. Whirlpool may be cruel and infamous to some, but they have stood by me like a personal friend while keeping people around my area working to the best of their ability. I just feel more comfortable when I buy a product from somebody I know. And I'll honestly say that I have never met you before. Or even Hans, whoever he is.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 359688 , Reply# 175   6/26/2009 at 08:34 (5,389 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Hey, wait!!!

As far as I know, those machines are fully assembled in the USA, by american hands (but most of the metallic and small parts are made in Brazil. And none of the electrolux plants I worked closed (thank God). Electrolux workers and former workers from all plants around the world worked together to save european plants.

The only chinese part used on those American Electrolux machines is the LCD. And it's made by Electrolux, not OEM.

The electronic board is made in Manaus - Brazil.

Electrolux always tries to compensate. Brazil sends parts to USA, USA sends us Frigidaire Affinity washers and dryers fully assembled and packed, ready to go to consumer's homes.

I have one of those Electrodaire Affiniturbo, a machine 99% american, assembled in Augusta with some parts made by Electrolux Mexico and a control board made by Electrolux Hong Kong. (that plant is more-than-huge)

About the electronic boards and displays or LCD panels, almost all of them are made in China, but they're not a chinese crap made by one of those xing ling manufacturers that make parts for "the other". It's made by Electrolux but in other geographic position due to taxes incentives, in a plant designed just to produce electronic parts with the same electrolux quality standards.



Post# 359697 , Reply# 176   6/26/2009 at 09:14 (5,389 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
Thank You Thomas

Thomas, I want to thank you personally for finding this information out. This is great. I send an email to Gemini, but I did not get a response. My friend who is a manager at an appliance store also told me that this machine does ad more water.

Post# 359714 , Reply# 177   6/26/2009 at 11:22 (5,389 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

thomasortega: Can you give us an idea where the Electrolux machines are assembled? How about the Wave Touch? I am at least glad to see that few parts are sourced to China. We can both agree that the passion for an assembly plant runs deep.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 359716 , Reply# 178   6/26/2009 at 12:10 (5,389 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

as I mentioned above:

As far as I know, those WAVE TOUCH machines are fully assembled in the USA, by american hands (but most of the metallic and small parts are made in Brazil.)

Also, the electronic board is made in brazil (I hate the region where the plant is) and the LCD is surely made in China by Electrolux too.

Maybe, solenoids and dispenser are made in Mexico (but i'm not sure)

door glass made in the USA, motor made in Sweden or USA.


Post# 359752 , Reply# 179   6/26/2009 at 17:29 (5,388 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

Y'all can thank IBM for the idea of never having anything fully made anywhere.

They started that over 40 years ago with their electric typewriter. The idea is that parts are made all over the world, then *everyone* has to import something and assemble it. Originally, everyone imported parts and assembled the machine in their own country, so it was always seen as made locally.

Also, always be careful when you look at stuff. For the longest time, Subaru cars sold in US have been made in Indiana (if I'm not mistaken) and lots of GM cars came from Asia. So while I was being sneered at for "driving a 'japanese' car", the people giving me grief were driving foreign GM cars. Lovely.

As for Whirlpool, yes, the brand is american. At the very least their frontloader line was made in Germany (don't know if it's still true) and, with the ramping down on their non-HE toploaders, I wonder what exactly they'll be making here -- is their HE toploader *made* here or just assembled here, or even fully imported?

Meanwhile, brands like Bosh and Electrolux are *building* plants here and keeping American employees busy.

I would prefer all this racism went away. The reason a lot of stuff is made in Asia or elsewhere is threefold: one, people here want to buy stuff for less money, so the only option is to manufacture them where it's cheaper to do so; two, people here who are investors want more profit -- your options are either to become investors (not my preference personally, but other people may be rich enough to enter the game) or make clear to the investors that the population here is hurting; and three, the powers that be in America decided that they don't want to be a manufacturing country, they want to be the kind of country where there's basically only service and design -- lots of places design stuff and send the design away to be manufactured. That is not usually bad, lots of countries are getting rich doing the same. The catch is that to do that one has to be in the bleeding edge of design, and there aren't many companies (not to mention industries) in US doing that anymore. For a long time, US used to be the country where all the good ideas came from. We're lagging behind for some time now. My hope is that we'll fix that in the next few years, so the majority of the population here will be able to find nice office jobs -- it's either that or back to the farm and manufacturing jobs on the assembly floor, not that there's anything wrong with that, just that my impression is that most people here would prefer to earn more doing less in an office.

Peace,
-- Paulo.


Post# 359927 , Reply# 180   6/27/2009 at 09:56 (5,388 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Uploading from my neck of the woods is a total DRAG on the spin cycle, till uploading at this time.

The dryer wsa on with Wrinkle Guard, sorry for the noise.


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Post# 360501 , Reply# 181   6/29/2009 at 22:27 (5,385 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Larry

Please check the your profile's email.


Post# 360505 , Reply# 182   6/29/2009 at 22:40 (5,385 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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The only thing I don't like about these washers is this: it appears the heater is only used to raise the temeprature of the wash water on the Sanitary/Deep Clean cycle. It appears the heater is not useed to maintain or bring up a few degrees to set point of either hot (120 or 130 degrees) or warm water (100 or 105 degrees) on any of the other cycles. Larry, maybe you can debunk that impression for me after ou get your upgraded machine.

Post# 360591 , Reply# 183   6/30/2009 at 08:57 (5,385 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

These machines use the internal heater to boost the temperature.

They have preset temperatures according to the cycle. If the hot fill is colder than the preset temperature, it will use the heater to try to increase it. (but it may not reach the temperature as the heater is 110v and the wash isn't long enough.
if the hot water is too hot, it will mix with cold water.

On sanitary cycle, even if you fill it with cold water (turn off your water heater os just use all the hot water and turn on the machine before it has the time to recover) the machine will use the internal heater and increase the wash time until it can reach the sanitization temperature and keep it for some minutes. The cycle can be increased in 30 minutes or more, but you won't notice the change on the remaining time display.
The difference on display can be seen when you start the sanitary cycle with very hot water.
the demaining time will be reduced when the machine reaches the first drain. at home it happens with my affinity, and usually goes from 1:09 to 0:29.


Post# 360611 , Reply# 184   6/30/2009 at 10:45 (5,385 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Response - Maintaining Temp. via Electrolux.

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I wrote to Electrolux about this subject (onboard heater used to maintain water temp.), back in February 09.
This was Electolux's response:

"Thank you for contacting Electrolux Major Appliances. We apologize for the delay in response. However our washer units are equipped with an internal heater and when the unit is operating on the sanitize cycle the heater maintains a set temperature of 152 degrees Fahrenheit.

Also, the unit has an automatic temperature control so when the unit is operating and using a cold water setting the heater will automatically turn on if the water drops below 65 degrees Fahrenheit.

When operating and using a warm water setting the heater will automatically turn on if the water drops below 78 degrees Fahrenheit.

When operating and using a hot water setting the heater will automatically turn on if the water temperature drops below 120 degrees Fahrenheit.

In closing the spin RPM for the Electrolux washer is 1350.
If you have any further questions about the appliances please contact us at 877-435-3287. We are available Monday through Friday from 8 a.m. until 8 p.m. EST. Thank you for considering Electrolux Major Appliances."


Post# 360621 , Reply# 185   6/30/2009 at 12:03 (5,385 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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I'll check between the manuals Bob!
I don't think theses machine will keep things to a simmer like the Euopean machines.


Post# 361877 , Reply# 186   7/5/2009 at 13:45 (5,380 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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The replacement washer is on the way and will be here within the hour.
Pictures today, video's maybe tomorrow.
Body is tired.

Larry


Post# 361906 , Reply# 187   7/5/2009 at 16:32 (5,379 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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I'm doing a no load water test and the water level is incredible.
Thie rinse water fills up to the seal of the door on the Normal/Eco Cycle and the tumble rotation is a lot longer in each direction than the IQ washer.

I'm not satified with the paint. The IQ washer had a better finish on it where you can see the speckles, this is matted opaq finish, not rich in color like on the ped!


Post# 361918 , Reply# 188   7/5/2009 at 17:10 (5,379 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        

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Larry does it look like the pedestal and the WaveTouch colors don't match or one looks more shiny? Is it that noticable?

So we have conformation...the WaveTouch totally uses more water. YES!

Can't wait for video and photos.


Post# 361927 , Reply# 189   7/5/2009 at 17:16 (5,379 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Glad to hear that Larry!!! And just pretend you're me, near-sighted, ya wion't notice the finish difference, lol.

Post# 361956 , Reply# 190   7/5/2009 at 19:20 (5,379 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Larry said: "The IQ washer had a better finish on it where you can see the speckles, this is matted opaq finish, not rich in color like on the ped!"

Larry, that's impossible to believe and accept!!! The wave touch model is made to satisfy the VIP consumers. It's not an ordinary washing machine, it's the TOL model The Electrolux Group offers, not only in the US, but worldwide.

Something (very) wrong happened with your unit. The washing machine shouldn't pass the finishing QC if there's a color difference that can be detected by the lasers, and the lasers are much more accurate than human eyes.

Or...

Electrolux started to decrease the quality like "the other" manufacturer.


I think you should contact Electrolux or the store and ask them to replace it again. Also, try to visit a store or show room that has the same machine and compare.


I'm shocked to hear that after being part of a team that received many direct orders saying "everything on it must be much beter than the best"


Post# 361973 , Reply# 191   7/5/2009 at 20:48 (5,379 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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It's no lie, the colors does not match at all,
At the base of the machine it looks like the prim is showing through.
Color is washed out with a white film on it!
I have a thirty day return window so Sears maybe getting a call tomorrow afternoon.


Post# 361994 , Reply# 192   7/5/2009 at 22:49 (5,379 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

I believe you larry.


What I can't believe Electrolux did an unacceptabe mistake like this right with this model after the "quality, quality, quality and when you believe it's enough, put more quality" brain wash the big boss did.


Post# 362020 , Reply# 193   7/6/2009 at 02:59 (5,379 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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These units are extreamly expensive.
The price are locked in everywhere and I still can't believe that the dryer is the same price as the washer.
They usually 3 to $500.00 less than the washer?!?


Post# 362035 , Reply# 194   7/6/2009 at 07:22 (5,379 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

...That's the price you pay for the status of owner of the best washing machine ever made by electrolux.

Post# 362041 , Reply# 195   7/6/2009 at 08:26 (5,379 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
Rebates

Larry, Electrolux is offering a $200.00 on your machine and $50.00 on the pedestal. On the Electrolux website, click on support and Limited Time offers. Offer ends July 19, 2009. You will get a 250.00 Pre-paid Visa Card. I got a 500.00 one when I purchased my appliances last year.

Now if you buy the dryer, you will receive another 250.00.

I am sure Sears will straighten out the color differences in you appliance/pedestal.


Post# 362057 , Reply# 196   7/6/2009 at 10:58 (5,379 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
If your not happy...

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Larry, definitely swap out the machine if you're not liking the finish of the paint job. You should be happy with your purchase...it's just a pain to deal with.

It does sound like you are happy with the water usage amount.

Hopefully the paint issue is just a fluke.
Best of luck and looking forward to hear how well Sears handles this.

Like Ray said...don't forget the rebate form.


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Post# 362058 , Reply# 197   7/6/2009 at 11:05 (5,379 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Larry. I think it was just a fluke like George said, I have seen both the models at many stores and they look the same, I am sure Sears will make good for it. Afterall, this machine uses much more water than any of the fron loaders out there.

Ray


Post# 362095 , Reply# 198   7/6/2009 at 13:53 (5,379 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
Somewhere over the rainbow...

There will be some stupid paranoid saying this machine is a disaster to our environment just because it doesn't use 2 teaspoons of water and asking for a way to reduce the water level.


Now we just have to wait for the first complain.


Post# 362210 , Reply# 199   7/6/2009 at 22:05 (5,378 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
They better not...

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Oh my goodness...
There better not be anyone talking about Electolux WaveTouch using more water and waving shame at them for doing so.

Come on, front loaders default at saving water/resources simply because they never fill up the whole drum like top loaders do.

I'm so buying the WaveTouch (when my Whirlpool TL dies), only because it's the only known current HE washer that uses the most water, yet doesn't waste it.

I want my closed washed in WATER and you can't get any better than the WaveTouch in today's modern machines.


Post# 362223 , Reply# 200   7/6/2009 at 23:25 (5,378 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

hahaha
activists setting fire on wave touch machines in front of electrolux plant. LOL


can you imagine this situation? (of course they won't mind the smoke because it's for a good cause)


Before somebody think i'm extremist, let me put things very clear.

It's very important to protect our environment and as far as I know, ALL THE MANUFACTURERS not only Electrolux try to cause the smallest footprint possible.

BUT...

some things are impossible to be done without causing a footprint. Doing laundry is one of them.

Someday we will have the technology to use much less water AND have amazing results, but now there are only fancy prototypes and millions of dollars being spent. Maybe our grandsons and daughters will be able to do their laundry without water.

unfortunately, in 2009 we reached the limit. Wave touch can perform a good wash and at the same time reduce the footprint.
It uses much less water than top loaders and there's no need to repeat the cycles thousands of times to get the clothes properly rinsed.
But there's even more we can do. now we must remember to use it with responsability. the world would be much better if everybody starts to choose friendly detergents that are more biodegradable than required by law. STPP is good, but it's also bad. i'm sure we all can think twice before using it. It doesn't need to be used on every wash, does it? we don't need to run the machine with a pair of socks inside it, why not wait until we have a full load? hot water is also good. it's excellent! but do we really need to boil all our clothes like noodles every time we wash them? Can't we try to reduce a little bit the temperature? A single load in our homes doing that means nothing, but imagine millions of water boilers and internal heaters in the world reducing 1 degree.

Also, the automaticmania. Ok we don't have the time to change the load and reuse the same wash water, but, can't you try to do that at least once a month? since I started to save the water, i had a HUGE impact on groceries bills. My detergent boxes and bottles last 6x more. I just started it to save the "imported" box of Tide and A&H washing soda John brought me.
A single load we save means a dose of detergent. again, only one means nothing, but imagine millions of people doing the same thing.

The best of all (for us that love to be in front of our loved machines) we can interact much more with them.

Next time you do a load, try to use a bucket and change the load before draining the wash water. If you have more than a machine, it's much easier. just put the drain hose in the drum and let it drain, as I (and many other members) do.


And don't be surprised when the next generation of HE machines come with internal and automatic suds saver containers.


And you? what are your suggestions to help our environment without reducing the washing and rinsing performance?


Post# 362590 , Reply# 201   7/8/2009 at 11:36 (5,377 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
gemini80204 - 2 New Video's 19 pair Jeans

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Just to update everyone.

Gemini80204 put up two more videos of 19 pairs of jeans in the WaveTouch.


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Post# 362681 , Reply# 202   7/8/2009 at 19:13 (5,376 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Every time I see this machine in action I feel even more proud and amazed.


Electrolux really did an excellent job. In my opinion it's the best HE machine I've ever seen.


Post# 362712 , Reply# 203   7/8/2009 at 22:07 (5,376 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Agree...Best HE Machine!

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Sorry to step on some toes but I think the (American) Electrolux WaveTouch is better then the Americanized Meile's.
Do I dare say, even better than the European Meile's?

I can't imagine the weight of 19 pairs of jeans and water that machine has to bare and then spin them out...incredible.

That has to be an outstanding suspension system...(springs and shocks) to not falter at such a load of laundry that size.

I keep becoming more and more impressed with this machine.


Post# 362777 , Reply# 204   7/9/2009 at 08:52 (5,376 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
George

That was the idea when they decided to make this machine..

Be better than the best. And the best is not enough.

Starting by the SS spiders, than we have the very sensitive electronic sensors and the step motor (with much more steps)that can balance the load much faster than the others. The suspension system is also very accurate, but most of the impacts are eliminated before the spin starts.


And the big secret inside this machine is not a secret. It's monster size makes it stable.


Best of all, it wasn't made to last only 5 years.

Electrolux better than that, only the commercial (Ex-wascator) machines with Clarus control.


Post# 362778 , Reply# 205   7/9/2009 at 09:09 (5,376 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hi Thomas. So far these machines have been getting excellent reviews by Consumer Reports, meaning the reviews were by the consumers who bought the machine. I have a whole new kitchen of these new Electrolux appliances, Electric Stove, Side by Side refrigerator, Over the Range Microwave and Dishwasher in Stainless Steel. The dishwasher had a minor change where they put in a new filter assembly basket, and the refrigerator need a part/gasket on the chiller meat drawer because the items were freezing on the left side. Also, the top panel of the microwave was dented, and they had to replace. But...I must say that Electrolux must put the technicians through a good training, because they do know what they are doing. Although...the part for the refrigerator was so new, that the tech had to call E_lux for instructions. When my wife set up one of the service calls, she told them she like the appliances, but complained to them about why we had the 4 service calls. The apologized and told her for her troubles that they were sending her a $150.00 check. Now that was nice. I think Electrolux wants to be on top. As soon as I see the way clear, I am going to get my credit for the LG washer which gives me problems and put it toward the Wave Touch.

I bet this makes you happy to hear such nice things about these appliances.

Ray


Post# 362799 , Reply# 206   7/9/2009 at 11:58 (5,376 days old) by suburbanmd (Maryland, USA)        
georgect

I have an "Americanized Miele", my only Miele purchase, that's great but not perfect, and I've never owned anything Electrolux. So I have no reason to be a rabid Miele partisan, or anti-Electrolux.

I'm pretty sure that the Electrolux would not wash for me as well as my Miele, because of wash temperature and cycle length:

Wash temperature: My house has a very long hot water lag, so an HE machine is going to fill with mostly tepid water, more or less basement temperature. As described in posts above, the Electrolux will heat the water, but not extend the cycle until the target temperature is reached. Given the wash cycle lengths and my incoming water temperature, I don't see how I'd ever get a decent warm or hot wash.

Cycle length: In my experience with the Miele, an extended wash (approx. 1 hour wash time, plus any timer hold while water heats) cleans better than a non-extended wash (approx 30 min. wash time plus timer hold). The Electrolux maxes out at less than 30 minutes wash time, so I'd be missing the choice of a long wash that gives the detergent and oxygen bleach more time to work.

Also, I like hot washes, and the Miele has more choices for hot -- 122degF, 140degF, 158degF, all boosted with timer hold as necessary.


Post# 362804 , Reply# 207   7/9/2009 at 12:14 (5,376 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

"As described in posts above, the Electrolux will heat the water, but not extend the cycle until the target temperature is reached."


Electrolux DOES extend the time until the temperature is reached.


But you can also bleed the pipes. Don't you have a hot tap next to or near the machine?


Post# 362808 , Reply# 208   7/9/2009 at 12:21 (5,376 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
suburbanmd

Hi, Rayjay here. I too was looking at the Miele 4840. I was just a little worried about the amouth of water it uses, so I am leaning more toward the Electrolux now, but still....not counting out the Miele yet.

Do you really like the way the MIele washes and rinses? Do you have the 4840 Model?

Thanks so much

Ray


Post# 362880 , Reply# 209   7/9/2009 at 17:32 (5,375 days old) by suburbanmd (Maryland, USA)        

Thomas, re the heater, I meant for cycles other than sanitary, and was referring to these posts:

Post# 360591-6/30/2009-08:57 ||| thomasortega (Brazil)
Post# 360611-6/30/2009-10:45 ||| georgect (Connecticut)

As for bleeding the hot water pipes, there's a nearby powder room that would bleed part of the path to the washer. But it's a flow-limited faucet, and takes a long time to run hot, like minutes. (When we redo that room, we're putting in a warm-water version of an Instant-Hot, basically a point-of-use heater and faucet in one). Could also run the bathtub upstairs. Far from ideal, and fortunately I (and my wife and kids) don't have to do it. And it's nice to know that the Miele will guarantee the temperature no matter what you do or don't do.

Rayjay, I have a W4840. Very happy with how it washes, and the rinsing seems fine, no stiffness or apparent residue. For the first few months I never did an extra rinse. Then my wife started doing them (just because she believes in them), and now I do an extra rinse when I add something extra besides detergent, like oxygen bleach. Actually I do have one rinse complaint: The comforters cycle doesn't spin after the wash cycle, just goes right into rinse fill, which I don't understand. Now I do an extra rinse on comforters, though the result seemed fine without it.

There are setup menu options for extra rinse and water plus. I've never used those. Did you ever see the 2007-ish threads by crooks101 on THS about his Miele complaints? One thing I seem to remember, is that the water plus setting doesn't affect the Custom cycle. That's unfortunate, because the Normal cycle doesn't use the heater, and you'd use Custom instead. This might matter to you; it doesn't matter to me, because I haven't felt the need for extra water. If I read enough discussions here, I might start to think I should need more water :-) But like I said, my results are great. My point of comparison is the DD Kenmore we had for 9 years before; really no comparison at all, the Miele is so much better.


Post# 362884 , Reply# 210   7/9/2009 at 18:57 (5,375 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

HHEEEYYY!! That's the same model Kenmore I have.

Post# 362953 , Reply# 211   7/10/2009 at 11:58 (5,375 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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The Miele has a hidden option of raising the rinse water level to "Maximum Water Level". There's also an "Allergy" mode, which gives you more rinses.

That Electrolux washer looks very cool! However, I wonder why the wash times are so quick. Considering the amount of laundry this thing can cope with, I'd expected the main wash to be a little longer. Also would have loved to see the famous Jet System (recirculation the wash/rinse water via the top nozzle in the door boot) being incorporated in these washers like most of the Euro E'luxes have. Only LG seems to have that.

Would love to hear more of the dryer, too!


Post# 362958 , Reply# 212   7/10/2009 at 12:24 (5,375 days old) by electron800 ()        
I wonder why the wash times are so quick.

I wonder this on US machines too, 20mins of wash tumbling is not a Heavy Duty cycle, thats a quick wash lol.

I don't care what people say ,a load of filthy dirty whites will not be clean after 20minutes of washing in any machine of any kind.

It makes me feel quite lucky that we have the A-G wash grading, it's really made sure machines have good long washes and clean brilliantly, espeically without the need for tons of additives, especially chlorine bleach, lol.

Not trying to dig at american washing habits here, but you can't complain that you're washer dosen't clean very well, but also that it takes too long to wash.

Matt


Post# 363014 , Reply# 213   7/10/2009 at 16:40 (5,374 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Wash Times

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One has to understand, at least from an Amercian point of view, front load washing machines with long cycle times are seen as a disadvantage. This is one of the reasons they pretty much died off on this side of the pond in the first place.

Americans by and large tend to do laundry the way it has been done for ages. Large amounts of wash done once a week (or even longer), and that requires a machine with a decent capacity and cycles fast enough for Madame (or anyone else landed with the job), to get the thing over with quickly. The idea of doing wash every day,no matter how small the load, as per some European households is something that for the most part would drive Amercian housewives up the wall.

As for wash results and cycle times, commercial and laundromat front loaders get very good results indeed with wash cycles under 15 minutes. However for the most part such front loaders use much more water per cycle,and are designed to process laundry quickly to enhance turnover (not laundry, but allowing a machine to do more loads per day).

As one has repeatly stated, proper laundry practice is the sum of four main variables: time, temperature, chemicals, and mechanical action. If the last three, more importantly the final two are properly adjusted, one does not need hours of wash time to get the job done.

If one is laundering a grossly filthy laundry, a pre-wash or soak followed by a main wash cycle is vastly better than one long main wash cycle. Hence the reason most if not all laundromat and commercial washing machines have either a set pre-wash or it can be added by user/owner. Far better to have a change of water and detergent to carry off the loose and some of the heavy soil, then attack what remains in another cycle, then to have the lot stewing in one main wash cycle. Indeed results from this system (which is how laundry was done for ages anyway, even by hand)are better because there is less redeposition of muck onto textiles because the two short cycles allows muck to be kept away from laundry and goes down the drain. With non-phosphate detergents becoming the norm, this even more important.

Finally with domestic front loaders using less and less water for wash cycles, long wash times with so little water increases wear upon textiles. This is because textiles are now rubbing against themselves and the wash drum more harshly due to a lack of "extra" water to cushion the reaction. Of course drum movement (mechanical action), can be adjusted to compensate for this, but then you are back to those four variables again. Hence the long wash times because you have reduced mechanical action.

L.


Post# 363092 , Reply# 214   7/10/2009 at 22:11 (5,374 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Launderess...Hit the Nail on the Head!

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Every word Launderess said (typed) is SO TRUE!

Another reason I love the Electrolux is, wash times are not outrageously long. In America, a top loader can finish a load of laundry within 30 to 45 minutes (no extra spin or rinse depending on the brand).
We also don't do laundry every day. We have one wash day a week...for the most part, (sometimes every other week).
We want a big machine that can do all of it in one shot fast and we want it CLEAN.
(Of course I separate my whites from my colors so I have two loads a week and that still adds up to a lot of laundry).

European wash times just wont cut it here...hence Americanized BIG capacity machines with shorter wash times.

I think Electrolux studied their American consumer very well.


Post# 363334 , Reply# 215   7/11/2009 at 22:44 (5,373 days old) by favorit ()        
The Affinity now is about to be sold in Europe

Here the REX-Electrolux italian version

CLICK HERE TO GO TO favorit's LINK


Post# 363647 , Reply# 216   7/13/2009 at 08:21 (5,372 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Larry...status of WaveTouch?

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Larry, we haven't heard what's going on with Sears and the re-delivery of a new WaveTouch.
Will you be receiving one this week (July 12-18)?
Looking forward to your posts, here and on Youtube.


Post# 363653 , Reply# 217   7/13/2009 at 08:54 (5,372 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Things are quiet on this end, plumber and electrical work being done in the garage and laundry area.
The wave touch still fills like the IQ washer when loaded.
Very little differences in the wash cycle, but the rinse cycle uses more water.


Post# 365019 , Reply# 218   7/17/2009 at 22:02 (5,367 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Plumber finished his job, but the plaster is taking freaking too long for a small job. WTF!



Post# 365119 , Reply# 219   7/18/2009 at 09:12 (5,367 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)        

Affinity on Cold Europe??
Ok, I have a Affinity and this washer have little washer time ans inneficient heating element.

On Whirlpool Duet they change washer time and add a 95ºC program.


Post# 365162 , Reply# 220   7/18/2009 at 13:01 (5,367 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

The european Affinity has some differences too.

Starting by the 220V power, against the 110V in USA and Brazil.

Also, it still have both hot and cold fills.



Post# 365292 , Reply# 221   7/19/2009 at 01:30 (5,366 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
thomasortega...

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WOOF!
:)
Sorry nothing to do with the Affinity, just a frienldy "WOOF".


Post# 365434 , Reply# 222   7/19/2009 at 17:09 (5,365 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Tired and got a headache. Doing laundry with no photo update, sorry!

Post# 365561 , Reply# 223   7/19/2009 at 23:10 (5,365 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
Tylenol x Electrolux x bed

Larry, there's an easy way to get rid of the headache.

1) Toss a load in your Electrolux and forget it.
2) Have a Tylenol, maybe two, or maybe four or five aspirins.
3) Turn off your cell phone and unplug the phone.
4) Go to bed and forget the world exists until tomorrow morning.

-----------------------------------------

Georgect


Woof?


somebody please explain. LOL


Post# 365601 , Reply# 224   7/20/2009 at 07:05 (5,365 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Thomas, I've done three of the four you've listed.
I'm feeling better, but need more rest and laundry! LOL


Post# 365619 , Reply# 225   7/20/2009 at 09:03 (5,365 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Lary... Well, if you want, I know a place where you can find 9 washing machines (4 electrolux) + an extra king size bed and a Dior duvet.


George... I got your email and almost had another heart attack.



Obs. Folks, some of you could be intrigued with the many times I talk about my Dior duvet. Just for you to understand, it's a joke some friends made relating my duvet which is a Dior (as most of you know, Dior is an ordinary and cheap brand) and the comedy character "Christian Pior", from a brazillian comedy show. (Christian Pior means Christian Worst in English)
Christian Pior is the gay (and funny) version of Miranda Priestly.

Below there's a Pior's video, when he visited a beach in greece. Be careful, some naked women appears on it (but it has those black stripes because the tv show is classified to 12 and older.)


Post# 365620 , Reply# 226   7/20/2009 at 09:04 (5,365 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Of course i forgot to paste the link... like always.... LOL


CLICK HERE TO GO TO thomasortega's LINK


Post# 365648 , Reply# 227   7/20/2009 at 11:02 (5,365 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Just watching clip and it was so naughty!
LOL


Post# 365657 , Reply# 228   7/20/2009 at 12:31 (5,365 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hey Larry........... So how is the Wave touch doing? Did Sears replace it yet for you? Let us know.

Ray


Post# 365668 , Reply# 229   7/20/2009 at 12:59 (5,365 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Unfortunatelly I don't know how to make subtitles. and most of his jokes are understandable only in portuguese because of the context.

His comments are hilarious... They are something like:

"This party is only for rich people like me that know how to eat caviar and drink Veuve Clicquot, not for poor people like you that think Nike is a "chic" brand.."

Or

"Look at this lady. she's so elegant and rich that she never farts. She releases flower scents. Not like you, POOR, that looks like an atomic bomb after eating beans."


he never says "Hello people, hello my friend or hello [your name]" He always says "hello person" using a very arrogant and "gay" accent.



Post# 365670 , Reply# 230   7/20/2009 at 13:00 (5,365 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Hey Larry, I was going to ask the same thing...
Did they replace your "degradeé painting" WT?


Post# 367016 , Reply# 231   7/25/2009 at 21:40 (5,359 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Bleach Release Question

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Anyone know when the bleach is released during a wash cycle?
I assume it's toward the end of the cycle so enzymes can do their work but anyone know how much time bleach is actually in the drum with the clothes?

I manually add bleach (to my top loader) the last 6 minutes of the wash cycle.


Post# 367024 , Reply# 232   7/25/2009 at 22:24 (5,359 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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In US FL washers, bleach is generally dispensed during the first rinse. At least in any US FL washer that I've used! :/

Post# 367108 , Reply# 233   7/26/2009 at 10:06 (5,359 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

I'm not sure if it has it or not. But during the phoject I remember some discutions to puta a oxybleach dispenser function too.

the oxibleach (sodium percabonate) should be added to the detergent dispenser AFTER the washer finishes the 1st fill and it would be flushed only when the water reaches the minimum temperature required for the best performance.

I think larry could tell us what was the result. Do they kept this feature or not?


Liquid bleach is released on the first rinse, usually after the fill to avoid damaging the clothes. I think that's standard on all modern Electrolux machines around the world.


Post# 367125 , Reply# 234   7/26/2009 at 11:44 (5,359 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        

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Is there a reason why liquid bleach isn't added toward the end of the wash cycle?

Why is it added to the first rinse cycle when chemicals should be rinsed out?

Also (in Electrolux washers), is there a spin after washing before first rinse and additional spins between additional rinses?


Post# 367128 , Reply# 235   7/26/2009 at 11:49 (5,359 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

That's because in some countries, some stupid housekeepers use amonia to degrease some kinds of fabric. (like kitchen towels)

amonia x chlorine, Do I need to say something else?


Post# 367130 , Reply# 236   7/26/2009 at 11:52 (5,359 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

yes, there are spins between the rinses

Post# 367383 , Reply# 237   7/27/2009 at 00:04 (5,358 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

Some people say that bleach should be added to the first rinse, never the wash -- the "put it in the wash" thing came out as a shortcut when housewives in America started using it in a fairly simple process (when all that was available was either a tub/handwash or a a "conventional"/non-automatic washer): they essentially had only 3 baths/phases, namely wash, rinse, rinse.

The correct, most effective process, should always have been wash, rinse/bleach, rinse, rinse. The bleach in the first rinse (cooler water) has a chance to actually react with the stains/clothes instead of a massive amount of dirt in the wash water, also, even though bleach in hotter water tends to react faster, it also tends to evaporate from the water very quickly and tends to last longer (hang around longer) in colder water. Also, remember that chlorine bleach is non-selective, it will react with almost anything, including the detergent, so allowing time for the detergent to work in the wash is better than obliterating part of the detergent in the last few minutes (or the full) wash. Finally, you don't need nearly as much bleach in the first rinse for the same effect as bleach in the wash, but don't hold your breath waiting for bleach manufacturers to tell you that. ;-)


Post# 367412 , Reply# 238   7/27/2009 at 04:38 (5,358 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Also (in Electrolux washers), is there a spin after washing

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It depends on what cycle being used.
Delicate, hand wash, and I think casual and colors are no spin after wash.
I will check and see later, I'm at work right now.

P.S. still have the machine and living with the color.....


Post# 367452 , Reply# 239   7/27/2009 at 08:36 (5,358 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
Some people say that bleach should be added to the first rin

Growing up in the 50's we had a GE wringer washer. The whites were the first wash, then they were wrung into a wash tub with warm water and bleach, then rinsed twice. The results were outstanding.

Post# 368152 , Reply# 240   7/29/2009 at 16:17 (5,355 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Doing some research

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The Electrolux website indicates another difference between the Wave Touch and IQ machines.

The Wave Touch has a 1,350 Spin Spin

The IQ Touch has a 1,200 RPM Spin


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Post# 368154 , Reply# 241   7/29/2009 at 16:29 (5,355 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Having been an "add it to the wash" bleach man, it seemed odd when my FrigiLux washer added it to the first rinse.

Having since learned (from Launderess) that the enzymes in detergents and OxiClean-type products (I use Amway's Tri-Zyme) aren't compatible with liquid chlorine bleach, I'm now glad my FL'er adds LCB in the first rinse. Any enzyme/oxygen bleach-based product will have been spun out.

I'm also liking the new Tide Stain Release pacs. I pre-washed/soaked a huge loads of highly-stained kitchen whites in my FrigiLux top-loader in some liquid Tide with Color Clean Bleach Alternative and two Stain Release pacs.

I pulled the load out and looked it over before proceeding to the regular wash cycle and almost all the stains were already gone!


Post# 368155 , Reply# 242   7/29/2009 at 16:32 (5,355 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Wash Cycle Is For Washing & Bleach Cycle Is For Bleaching

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Is the way commercial laundries have done it for ages, and many domestic housekeeping manuals advised homemakers.

Chlorine bleach does not require long contact time for disenfection and whitening, about five minutes in hot water, maybe a bit longer in cooler temps. Longer exposure time only serves to weaken textiles. Indeed any stain or soil that cannot be removed in about five minutes with chlorine bleach will NOT be removed by the substance, period.

For disenfection and or sanitation purposes, the less germs and such on or in a substance, along with organic soils, the better any chemical disenfectant will work. Thus it is best to add chlorine bleach in another cycle after the main wash water has been drained away,taking much of the muck, soils and germs with it. Pools for instance have to add various large amounts of chlorine to keep bacteria levels under control because the water is by and large stagnant.

Read the directions on any EPA approved disenfectant and it will say for purposes of disenfecting, surface should be cleaned prior to applying solution.


Post# 369704 , Reply# 243   8/5/2009 at 08:34 (5,349 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Larry Any Updates?

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Hey Larry...
How's the WaveTouch doing?
Any videos coming soon?


Post# 369945 , Reply# 244   8/6/2009 at 03:30 (5,348 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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George,

I will be doing a load of new white towels later this morning after work and will post vid's later.


Post# 369978 , Reply# 245   8/6/2009 at 07:47 (5,348 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hi Larry. Thanks for the update. Cannot wait to see.

Ray


Post# 370306 , Reply# 246   8/7/2009 at 13:17 (5,347 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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I need more time, work hours are getting the best of me these days.....


Post# 370309 , Reply# 247   8/7/2009 at 13:44 (5,347 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Thats okay Larry. When you have the time.


Ray


Post# 373383 , Reply# 248   8/20/2009 at 07:12 (5,334 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Larry I'm dying with anticipation

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Larry I'm dying to see your video's of your new WaveTouch in action.

It would be really cool to see each different wash cycle and it's tumble action and water content (to see how they differ)...any chance of posting those on Youtube?

You and Gemini are the only ones with the goods but no updates have been posted.

Please, pretty please :)


Post# 374841 , Reply# 249   8/26/2009 at 08:10 (5,328 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Spin Only

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Guys, Larry put up a Spin Only demonstration of the new WaveTouch.

Neat how is did 7 directional changes...one quick gradual ramp up to speed and three speed ramp ups.

Larry, was that 1350 RPM's?


Post# 374845 , Reply# 250   8/26/2009 at 08:47 (5,328 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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That's right, at the 5:53 mark it ramps up to full speed!

Post# 374851 , Reply# 251   8/26/2009 at 09:04 (5,328 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Right now I'm washing the new cheap towels from wally World.
Video is in the makings.

The water level is still the same as the IQ,
Computer wants to restart because of new updates and the memory card on the camera is full......

Please bear with me!


Post# 374856 , Reply# 252   8/26/2009 at 09:22 (5,328 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Upclose timer shot

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Post# 374937 , Reply# 253   8/26/2009 at 15:36 (5,327 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Need to edit vid's

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I will post on Youtube tomorrow.
Body is tired and I need rest before going to work tonight.


Post# 375084 , Reply# 254   8/27/2009 at 10:44 (5,327 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Towel load is being up loaded and tweaked.
The cycle that uses the most water is the Active Cycle.


Post# 375108 , Reply# 255   8/27/2009 at 13:51 (5,327 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Ah Hah!

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Thanks Larry.
So different cycles default different water levels.
I guess the reason the "Active Cycle" uses more water is to better release body oils from sweat in clothes?

How's the tumble action for the Active Cycle...would you say aggressive like Heavy Duty or more middle of the road like Normal?

Larry it looks like the cycles range from most aggressive Deep Clean Sanitize (left) to most gentle Hand Wash (right) on the dial.
Would you say wash action and water level correlates with that?
(i.e. the cycle more on the right use more water with a more gentler tumble action?)

If so with "Colors" between "Whites" and "Normal" does "Colors" use less water with a medium tumble action where "Casual" & "Active Wear" use a gentler wash action with more water? Or are water levels different no mater where on the dail you select?

I think I just repeated myself.


Post# 377250 , Reply# 256   9/6/2009 at 19:16 (5,316 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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The Active Cycle is a delicate cycle but it will spin between rinses. I will make a vid tomorrow.


Post# 377276 , Reply# 257   9/6/2009 at 21:02 (5,316 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Tide Cold Water HE

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It appears that it is very sudsy and the too much suds display is on.
I did not pay attention what the suds knock down does but I think it will dispenses fabric softener well ahead
instead of the final rinse and the agitation is short with pauses before reversing.


Post# 377295 , Reply# 258   9/6/2009 at 22:12 (5,316 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

CleanteamofNY... I like your Kenmore!!! I have the same one, one of the last what I call "specialized machines" from them. My question is, What ever happened to your Electrolux? Why were you having it replaced? I'm a bit lost, please fill me in.

Post# 377352 , Reply# 259   9/7/2009 at 08:21 (5,316 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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I still have the Kenmore's, they are hooked up in the garage area.
The washer is used for car rags and soaking if needed.

As for the Electrolux IQ, I had it for a short period and the machine performed very well.
I've upgraded to the Wave Touch for higher water level during the wash like in gemini80204's YouTube video.
My Wave Touch still fills like the IQ and the only way to get that water level as posted is to add it myself through the detergent draw.
(When I re-looked at his video) The water should not stay on that long, it will fill in increments until water level is satified.
I think he added water and the machine did not regulate.

How do I know?

Because the machine fills in two areas from the rear of the tub then to the front depending on which cycle being used.

To tell you the truth, by adding water will help the load but one must be careful that all that splashing causes suds that's too thick with certain detergent(s).
When the normal water level is used with more detergent, suds are kept to a minimum.


Post# 377358 , Reply# 260   9/7/2009 at 08:47 (5,316 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
That Explaines It.

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Thanks for the explanation on Gemini80204's water level.

I guess it was too good be true that an HE washer would use that much water...shucks.

Larry, what is with the two fill areas in the rear and one in front? Could you explain that and why would it do that for different cycles? What's the advantage?


Post# 377360 , Reply# 261   9/7/2009 at 09:05 (5,316 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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George,

The first thing the washer does is drain the sump area, any water lingering will be flushed down the drain.
Then the machine will pause and the filling will start flushing the detergent to the rear of the machine,
then after a couple of reverse tumbles, the front will spray down the door area and then back to the rear until the water level is satisfied.
It will depend on load size for this to happen.



Post# 378753 , Reply# 262   9/14/2009 at 01:10 (5,309 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Larry...Whites

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Thanks for the video of the Whites cycle.

Post# 378809 , Reply# 263   9/14/2009 at 11:21 (5,309 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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The pursose of this video is how much deterent should be used.
Someone on THS posed a question should she see suds?
And I did used Baking Soda and STTP in that cycle.



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Post# 379033 , Reply# 264   9/14/2009 at 20:42 (5,308 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

Thanks Larry (CleanteamofNY) for guiding the lost(Me). Your Wave Touch machine looks big and shiny next to your Kenmore dryer. I hope you get many years out of it repair-free.

Post# 379143 , Reply# 265   9/15/2009 at 09:51 (5,308 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent)        
Why did you use baking soda?

What does it do in the washing cycle... btw has some EU-members an idea where you can find STTP on this side of the big blue ocean?

Post# 379251 , Reply# 266   9/15/2009 at 18:35 (5,307 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Many European Laundry Detergents Are Loaded With Phosphates

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But other than that cannot think of an off the shelf option, or even a chemical supplier selling bulk.

Have more than surplus to requirements in my larder, and would be more than happy to send some along. However not sure of how US and EU customs feel about white powder! *LOL*



Post# 380893 , Reply# 267   9/23/2009 at 07:44 (5,300 days old) by hoaglanddiver ()        
electrolux - tub clean?

Does anyone know if the new electrolux washers have a "tub clean" feature? this would be a feature that some mfgs have incorporated which fills tub a little higher than normal w/ perhaps hotter water so that it can clean the "scum" off the outer tub and prevent mildew/mold/bad smells.
Thx for any info.. Oh, if anyone has any review info on some of the newer electrolux washers I'd def be interested. thx.
Lee
p.s. currently running an LG WM0642HW and loving it. remodeling home and need to have additional washers (not replacing LG)


Post# 380971 , Reply# 268   9/23/2009 at 13:26 (5,300 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Yes, there is a tub clean on both IQ and Wave Touch.
On the IQ it can be manually set but the Wave Touch, the Electronics will tell you when to clean.


Post# 381260 , Reply# 269   9/24/2009 at 18:16 (5,298 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Cleanteam

I looked at your videos on youtube but I don't see the final rinse video, I thought you had mentioned you made one. I saw Gemini's final rinse vid where the water was pretty deep.

Thanks :)


Post# 381390 , Reply# 270   9/25/2009 at 13:33 (5,298 days old) by hoaglanddiver ()        

what's the diff between the IQ and the wave touch?

Post# 381694 , Reply# 271   9/27/2009 at 10:26 (5,296 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Differences Are...

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IQ-Touch has all option selector buttons laid out individually and a separate count down window for time remaining.
Wave-Touch has a multifunction screen that shows all your options, those options have a button directly underneath them and also displays with images what the washer is doing as well as time remaining.

IQ-Touch you can make one "My Favorite" cycle.
With the Wave-Touch you can create three "My Favorite" cycles.


IQ-Touch maximum spin speed is 1200 RPM.
Wave-Touch maximum spin speed is 1350.


Post# 381847 , Reply# 272   9/28/2009 at 07:39 (5,295 days old) by hoaglanddiver ()        

Thx for that info on IQ vs Wave-touch.
Does anyone out there know how these do on non-cement floor regarding vibration during spin? I curr have LG wm0642hw which I love. I've used in basement on cement floor for years.. Recently moved upstairs and it's jumping all around like a cat on a hot tin roof (yes, it's level).


Post# 381856 , Reply# 273   9/28/2009 at 08:20 (5,295 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Regarding Vibration...

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They are supposed to be forgiving on flooring that is not as solid as cement basement slab.

From what I've read (I don't know this as fact), there are gel packs near the weights around the washer drum that counteract vibration by shaking in the opposite direction.

You could always reinforce your flooring with a large piece of plywood securely fastened to floor joists.


Post# 381991 , Reply# 274   9/29/2009 at 03:57 (5,294 days old) by maven1975 ()        
Electrolux EWFLW65HIW Vs. Samsung WF419AAW - Wave or IQ?

Hello,

I am trying to decide between the Electrolux EWFLW65HIW and the Samsung WF419AAW. The price would be the same for me, and I realize that the Electrolux does not have steam. I will be purchasing their respective matching dryers as well. (Electrolux EWED65HIW - Samsung DV419AEW)

Larry,

After viewing this post, is it still worth the cash to go with the Wave over the IQ controls?

"As for the Electrolux IQ, I had it for a short period and the machine performed very well.
I've upgraded to the Wave Touch for higher water level during the wash like in gemini80204's YouTube video.
My Wave Touch still fills like the IQ and the only way to get that water level as posted is to add it myself through the detergent draw.
(When I re-looked at his video) The water should not stay on that long, it will fill in increments until water level is satified.
I think he added water and the machine did not regulate. "

I appreciate and comments or suggestions.

Thanks in advance!


Post# 382183 , Reply# 275   9/30/2009 at 07:03 (5,293 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Maven,

The Wave touch is the way to go because of cycle flexibility.
Both machine performed well and cleaning is outstanding compairng it to my toploader.
Launderess explained the purpose os steam for the wash as noted above,
but it is a feature that's a bonus and not a must if you're using the right detergents and proper cycles.
Keep in mind that the cycles ranges from 18 minuets (The truth about 25/27minuets because of the balancing act) to 2 hours,
it is how you modify the cycles for your laundry.

Keep us posted on which washer you've purchased on this thread.

A note to the wise.
If you are installing any front loader with pedistals. (It does not matter what brand!)
Do not allow delivery guys take shipping bolts out until the pedistals are completely mounted on the machine and 5 feets from final resting place.
Yell at them not to do it and tip them good!



Post# 387272 , Reply# 276   10/22/2009 at 19:07 (5,270 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Mark, when I have a little free time, I will make a rinse video.
I'm coming close to doing 50 loads and the System Clean Announcement is soon to arrive.
Vid's to follow.


Post# 391864 , Reply# 277   11/9/2009 at 13:10 (5,253 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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It arrived two weeks ago and had to reschedule for another time since I've put detergent in the draw and I had to cancel.
The next bout should be within the next three loads!


Post# 395355 , Reply# 278   11/23/2009 at 13:54 (5,239 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Any day now, any day.........

Post# 395927 , Reply# 279   11/25/2009 at 21:36 (5,236 days old) by westyslantfront ()        

Hi Larry. Back in July, I bought Whirlpool Duet to wash king size bedding. It works ok but sometimes, I open detergent drawer and stick hose in to add water to the tub.


Ross


Post# 395975 , Reply# 280   11/26/2009 at 09:51 (5,236 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Robert,

I do the same thing!
It just does not get the king size comforter completely wet the way I like it, so I add water through the detergent draw just like you.
I only do this for the wash cycle. Rinsing is fine at the present.......


Post# 396021 , Reply# 281   11/26/2009 at 17:55 (5,235 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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It looks like it took all fall to get to this point!
The Run System Clean Cycle has been uploaded to YouTube.

Right now I'm at work working on the rinse cycle, so sometime tomorrow I will upload the balance of this cycle.


Post# 401747 , Reply# 282   12/24/2009 at 14:04 (5,207 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
I think I will be late for my own funeral.....

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This is just the spin cycle and what was in the load....






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Post# 401857 , Reply# 283   12/25/2009 at 11:17 (5,207 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Yesterday I needed to wash my sheets and mattress pad because I have a boil on my thigh which drained onto my sheets and pad.
I've done a profile wash as Ms. Laundress recommends, so I've set the washer on the sanitary cycle and manually filled the machine with cold water
and added Tide He powder and bleach. The wash cycle too close to 4 hour to complete because around these parts, the water temp is freezing,
so it took forever to heat the water to 154*.

And I do ask......., was it worth it?
YES!!!! No blood, nor pus remained and I did not pre-treat!


Post# 401866 , Reply# 284   12/25/2009 at 13:26 (5,207 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
I'm Done! Final rinse in action......

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This is the last and final videos on the Wave Touch.
Thanks for allowing me to share and making a decision on purchasing one.





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Larry


Post# 401868 , Reply# 285   12/25/2009 at 13:35 (5,207 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        
Part 2

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It is finished!




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Post# 401916 , Reply# 286   12/25/2009 at 17:55 (5,206 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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I had to re-edit and upload.




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Post# 768388 , Reply# 287   7/6/2014 at 11:36 (3,553 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        
Something Old

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Something new!

Going back in time and wow the machine is still running strong with 2 minor problems.
Ripped boot that has not been replaced yet at the 10 O Clock mark and the push clip for the detergent draw is broken but does not effect function.

The new thing that is not mentioned in the manual is that the tub clean cycle can be used anytime if we look through the option cycle on the machine instead of waiting 50 cycles!

Nice that LUX hid this from us common peoples!


Post# 768537 , Reply# 288   7/6/2014 at 18:50 (3,552 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA)        

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I seriously considered one of these when I was looking for a new machine two years ago, but the thing that made me shy away from them was the slant tub design. I just don't like it, somehow. What it supposed to do, anyway?

Then I watched the videos of this washer on youtube. I noticed someone commented they couldn't tell if they were watching the dryer or the washer because there was almost no difference between the two while they were in operation, i.e. no water or even droplets on the glass...can these be tweaked to use more water like their Frigidaire cousins?


Post# 768550 , Reply# 289   7/6/2014 at 19:52 (3,552 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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The tilt in the tub prevent coins and small socks entering the outer basket so there are no traps to clean monthly.

And no need to tweak them, they use the right amount of water according the load except comforters.

Concentrated detergent in the least amount of clothes equals cleaner loads.
It takes time to get used to the low water usage but the results are wonderful.
My nephew uses my machine and I will take time to teach him how to wash his clothes properly so the whites does not turn grey.
10 Shades of grey.....
I wished I took a photo of the before pictures.
This is what they looked after I super treated them!


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Post# 768734 , Reply# 290   7/7/2014 at 10:51 (3,552 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, CT)        
CleanteamofNY...

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I miss your Electrolux vid's.
Any new videos in the near future?

Supposedly the new line of Electrolux washers/dryers are due out this winter.
Electrolux wanted to focus on their cooking line this summer (yet I haven't seen any advertising).


Post# 768760 , Reply# 291   7/7/2014 at 12:31 (3,552 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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I wonder what their new line will be like. Lux made the largest washer/dryer for a while, but I suppose they won't top Samsung's 5.6 washer and 9.5 dryer. Am also wondering, if they'll bring out their energy-efficient dryer concept.


Post# 768889 , Reply# 292   7/7/2014 at 18:59 (3,551 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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I don't think the dryers can be as efficient as they are now unless they use low heat long vacuum section between heating cycles. When drying my active ware clothing, I use the air setting for 50 mins and they are dried or I choose to hang them up if not in a hurry.

Bigger is not better for a washer but must a must for a dryer except when only doing small loads and the space is wasted!



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