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Post# 347148   5/7/2009 at 00:29 (5,439 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Does anybody own one of these and how do you like it doing king size bedding?
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Post# 347199 , Reply# 2   5/7/2009 at 09:12 (5,439 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 347206 , Reply# 3   5/7/2009 at 09:24 (5,439 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Larry, I would go with the IQ touch over the Wave Touch. I think the IQ model does the same,(but double check me). Why pay the extra. I will see if I can copy and paste the comments from CU. You can email me privately. Thanks, Ray |
Post# 347211 , Reply# 4   5/7/2009 at 09:53 (5,439 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Larry, I sent you the reviews to you email address. Ray |
Post# 347212 , Reply# 5   5/7/2009 at 10:03 (5,439 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Larry, Did your email address change from the one that you have in the profile? I sent you the information, but it bounced back. Let me know Ray |
Post# 347213 , Reply# 6   5/7/2009 at 10:11 (5,439 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 347214 , Reply# 7   5/7/2009 at 10:16 (5,439 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 347215 , Reply# 8   5/7/2009 at 10:19 (5,439 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Okay Larry. Check your email. Ray |
Post# 347583 , Reply# 9   5/8/2009 at 22:42 (5,437 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 347990 , Reply# 10   5/11/2009 at 07:53 (5,435 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Hi George, Just checked the site today. I will send you the reviews. Let me know what you think? Ray |
Post# 349834 , Reply# 12   5/18/2009 at 16:38 (5,427 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 349852 , Reply# 13   5/18/2009 at 17:32 (5,427 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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The IQ Touch model does have the interior light but,the Wave-Touch model allows you to turn it on while the washer is in operation.The IQ only comes on with the door open.The light is very bright and really makes doing laundry in a front loader a lot more fun to watch!!I am amazed and glad to see that E'Lux has spent a little bit more time and money on the developement,advertising,design,performance and features on these fabulous gems.My own preference is the EWFLW(Electrolux front loading washer)65HTS in Turquoise Sky and the EWGD65HTS matching gas dryer in Turquoise Sky.As far as new washer dryers are concerned, those are my verry favorite!
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Post# 350237 , Reply# 15   5/19/2009 at 22:00 (5,426 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 350805 , Reply# 17   5/22/2009 at 14:18 (5,424 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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You guys can rely on electrolux! There my favourite brand over this side of the pond and have made some great machines. I had imagined the new machines you have in the states wouldn't be too dis-similar to ours in terms of cycle patterns etc. Though i'm very jealous because they're stunning machines. Prehaps if we move to the states in the future we'll get one of those:D Darren |
Post# 352214 , Reply# 18   5/27/2009 at 10:27 (5,419 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 352215 , Reply# 19   5/27/2009 at 10:28 (5,419 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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It won't be a lemon. I'm sure you'll love it! |
Post# 352228 , Reply# 20   5/27/2009 at 11:23 (5,419 days old) by toploader1984 ()   |   | |
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sounds exciting, someone needs to post a video on youtube of the new electrolux!!! |
Post# 352513 , Reply# 21   5/27/2009 at 23:24 (5,418 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 352574 , Reply# 22   5/28/2009 at 01:29 (5,418 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 352576 , Reply# 23   5/28/2009 at 01:40 (5,418 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 352580 , Reply# 24   5/28/2009 at 02:05 (5,418 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 352584 , Reply# 25   5/28/2009 at 03:18 (5,418 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 352654 , Reply# 26   5/28/2009 at 09:55 (5,418 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Laundress, My LG takes only about 2 1/2 hrs for the Sanitary cycle and that is on the heavy soil setting and extra rinse. Were you referring to the Electrolux with the 4 hr. sanitize? Thanks, Ray |
Post# 352666 , Reply# 27   5/28/2009 at 10:53 (5,418 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 352678 , Reply# 28   5/28/2009 at 11:27 (5,418 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Hi Laundress....I think I must have missed somthing. Just wanted to know where it was stated that the E_Lux took over 4 hrs on the sanitize cycle. I was just making reference to my LG. So...let me know. Thanks Ray |
Post# 352683 , Reply# 29   5/28/2009 at 11:42 (5,418 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 352692 , Reply# 30   5/28/2009 at 12:12 (5,418 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Thanks Laundress. I must have missed that. lol However, I think if your incoming water is very hot, the time may be a little shorter? |
Post# 352702 , Reply# 31   5/28/2009 at 12:59 (5,418 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 352710 , Reply# 32   5/28/2009 at 13:18 (5,418 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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George, You are correct. I just checked the Use and Care guide. 144 min. it is. So 2 hrs and 24 min. |
Post# 352711 , Reply# 33   5/28/2009 at 13:22 (5,418 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 352713 , Reply# 34   5/28/2009 at 13:28 (5,418 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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From what I can see I like the Electrolux better than most of these other new front load machines. The cycles do seem to be shorter from viewing the instruction manual and the cycles seem to be straight foward. I still wish they would come up with a mechinal dial control like the origional frigmores. But I guess we are stuck with all these electronics like it or not. I am hoping that they come out with a combo but it doesn't look likely. So good luck to who ever makes the purchase. Best Wishes, Peter |
Post# 352743 , Reply# 35   5/28/2009 at 15:18 (5,417 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 352784 , Reply# 38   5/28/2009 at 17:35 (5,417 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 352794 , Reply# 39   5/28/2009 at 18:07 (5,417 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 352874 , Reply# 41   5/28/2009 at 23:10 (5,417 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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that's the aluminum spider issue that is very well known with the Frigemore's made by Electrolux. I've asked several times if anyone on here knows if any of the other modern US FL washers use an aluminum spider, Whirlpool, Electrolux, LG, etc.. No one knows. My Duet could end up having this same problem. I have no clue if the spider assembly on my Duet is aluminum or not. Hopefully NOT. And hopefully NOT on these more expensive FL washers. I think the Firgemores are BOL for US front loaders.
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Post# 352971 , Reply# 42   5/29/2009 at 08:10 (5,417 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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I guess because the machines is so new that there are not videos out there yet. |
Post# 352981 , Reply# 43   5/29/2009 at 08:51 (5,417 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 353034 , Reply# 44   5/29/2009 at 13:14 (5,417 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)   |   | |
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Launderess, Over in the Speed Queen thread you mentioned that the current SQ FLs have a "non-unit tub and bearing assembly" that should enable future bearing repairs. Can you or someone contrast that with the rather detailed Frigidaire video and tell me how that's different, in layman's terms? Are the spiders on the SQ assembly at least steel or something that won't react with the tub? I'd love to see some pictures of theirs after having seen how the F-lux was put together (yikes!!) |
Post# 353039 , Reply# 45   5/29/2009 at 14:17 (5,417 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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I do not think we can compare the new Electrolux line with the old Frigidaire line. The Electrolux line is new and is not manufactured like the Frig-mores, etc. |
Post# 353090 , Reply# 47   5/29/2009 at 16:17 (5,416 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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IIRC, a member posted work done on his Maytag Neptune tubs and bearing. Looking at those posts and pictures should give you a general idea. Normally and at least for most commercial front loaders you have an outer and inner tub, plus the bearings and spider and other bits holding it all together (very simple description). Where the tubs are an assembly instead of separate units, it tis just that, both tubs, bearings, spider et all are one componet. If the bearings and or spider goes, one is supposed to swap out the entire thing, rather than merely replace the bearing and or spider, and put the thing back together again. |
Post# 353114 , Reply# 48   5/29/2009 at 16:38 (5,416 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)   |   | |
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That's sort of what I thought, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Given SQs commercial bloodlines I can't imagine they'd engineer anything that would require the WHOLE TUB to be replaced for a bearing or spider issue. So does anyone know how the current Electrolux machines are put together? Anybody had one apart yet or willing to take theirs apart for the obligatory money shots? |
Post# 353122 , Reply# 49   5/29/2009 at 16:49 (5,416 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Move towards tub assemblies rather than separate tubs prolly has much to do with washing machines becoming more likely not to be repaired either outof design and or cost or both. Aside from SQ, Miele and perhaps a few others, it is rare to find long warranties on tubs, bearings, motor and such as of old. If the washing machine will last on average only four or five years (sad, isn't it?), before requiring a repair that may cost more than replacement, then what is the point of having tubs that will last the duration and or designing for bearing replacement? On any front loading washing machine, replacing the bearings is not usually an easy job, nor very cheap. On Miele units one has to have not only the knowledge,skills, and tools, but a winch as well to lift out what amounts to roughly more than 200lbs. Commercial front loaders such as those found in laundromats OTHO are designed for bearing replacment, mainly because of their long life and abuse taken. |
Post# 353129 , Reply# 50   5/29/2009 at 17:01 (5,416 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)   |   | |
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I think in the case of Frigidaire, the 25 year warranty on the basket is more of a selling attraction in rather than an accurate description of what you will actually get. |
Post# 353131 , Reply# 51   5/29/2009 at 17:13 (5,416 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)   |   | |
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I find it interesting that they warrant a part for a certain period and then when a 'compulsory' component of that part fails they are not prepared to honour their warranty... The US court system would have a field day with that... ...AND it could be the precursor to manufacturers either giving more realistic warranties ...OR ensuring the componentry in their machines in actually up to the job they are warranting... Blimey....could this be the mythical 'yellow brick road' to better appliance quality???? |
Post# 354344 , Reply# 52   6/3/2009 at 09:34 (5,412 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 354767 , Reply# 53   6/5/2009 at 03:20 (5,410 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Sears delivery came one hour before schedule arrival time which was between 6-8 yesterday evening and everything went well! I'm quite amazed how little water these washers uses but everything comes out well washed and rinsed. The balancing act is real quick and extraction ramps up quite fast on max. The pump makes more noise than when it is washing and spinning which is normal for this type of machine and I thought I was the only one who was watching the machine! |
Post# 354769 , Reply# 54   6/5/2009 at 03:30 (5,410 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 354770 , Reply# 55   6/5/2009 at 03:40 (5,410 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 354790 , Reply# 56   6/5/2009 at 07:39 (5,410 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Larry, Best of luck with such a beautiful machine. (I would have picked the red also). Keep us posted on all the loads that you do this weekend. Ray |
Post# 354795 , Reply# 57   6/5/2009 at 08:28 (5,410 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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You know Ray? I've saved my whites for the main test because my towels and wash cloths are white and somewhat grey because of the liquid body soap that I was using, and in just one washing with Tide HE Original/STPP and LCB the cloths are cleaner looking than being washed in my TL'r. Don't get me wrong, they were clean, but since this washer uses so little water, the detergent is very concentrated to remove stains that requires multible washes to get as clean as in one wash in a FL'r. If you look at the pile of cloths next to the box of Bold PLus, those were washed in the FL'r. The two Cloths below the pile was washed in my TL'r.. Notice the difference!?! |
Post# 354797 , Reply# 58   6/5/2009 at 08:34 (5,410 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 354804 , Reply# 59   6/5/2009 at 09:11 (5,410 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 354815 , Reply# 61   6/5/2009 at 09:50 (5,410 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Just think how nice those white skievies will come out??? lol lol I keep fogetting to get sstp. Glad you reminded me in your post. Well....Larry, when is the wash-in?????? |
Post# 354817 , Reply# 62   6/5/2009 at 10:11 (5,410 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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That cady smell is Tide HE, it reeks but cleans well! LOL I do some what regret not getting the TOL Lux because of cycle flexiblity but to wash a comforter really does not matter as long as the job gets done and that will be tommorrow. The instruction manual lacks giving info on washing bulky items with the correct cycle..... Why is that? Also, I do have a bottle of Cheer HE but havn't washed a load with it yet. And I do like the scent of Cheer regular and Tide with Dawn. Mild and not over powering. Just be patient, you will get a set when the time is right! As for a washin, maybe late fall, getting a plumber to work some piping around here is like fisting a chicken. LOL. |
Post# 354819 , Reply# 63   6/5/2009 at 10:22 (5,410 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Larry, Seara is very good at exchanging. If you really, really want the Wave Touch TOL, And the Wave touch has a button to have the light on during the wash cycle, I am sure Sears would exchange. |
Post# 354842 , Reply# 64   6/5/2009 at 12:12 (5,410 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 354843 , Reply# 65   6/5/2009 at 12:20 (5,410 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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The bulky cycle isn't important. It's just a "commercial" cycle. Here in Brazil, some Electrolux models used to have up to 30 different cycles, including "ordinary pants and shirts", "dress pants and shirts" and "black pants and shirts" and also more than 15 selectable options for each cycle. of course a model with zillions of repeated cycles is much more expensive than a model with four or five cycles |
Post# 354861 , Reply# 67   6/5/2009 at 14:15 (5,410 days old) by suburbanmd (Maryland, USA)   |   | |
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I would've thought that bulky items, too big to tumble around much, would tend to get wet only around the outside, if there's no bulky cycle to tell the machine to somehow treat them differently. |
Post# 354888 , Reply# 68   6/5/2009 at 16:49 (5,409 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)   |   | |
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Suburbanmd.... Most new front loaders have pressure sensors in them that register the water level. As a result the fill, tumble and then depending on how much water has been absorbed the level in the drum will have dropped and they fill some more until the load stops absorbing...there fore the water level stops dropping |
Post# 354903 , Reply# 70   6/5/2009 at 18:26 (5,409 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Domestic front loaders have several methods for doing "bulky" items such as pillows and duvets. Miele amoung others has a special cycle for "comforters" and pillows where first the machine will do a very fast spin to get the air out of the item, the commences with washing and rinsing using high water levels. Other front loaders simply instruct one to load bulky items a certian way, then commence with a wash programme that uses high water levels for washing and rinsing. Personally feel anything larger than a double sized comforter, should go to either a commercial laundry or off to the laundromat for one of the huge "triple" sized front loaders. Besides tubs with more than enough volume to handle bulky items, the wash and rinse action IMHO is more through because entire item gets exposed to water. Also down filled items can hold LOTS of water and become quit heavy. Unless the domestic washing machine in question has sturdy build quality and programs designed to cope with large volumes of water and perhaps suds being extracted quite quickly, there may be problems. Persons have literally caused their home front loaders to bash themselves to bits trying to cope with a very unbalanced, and heavy load. L. |
Post# 354918 , Reply# 71   6/5/2009 at 20:36 (5,409 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)   |   | |
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You might be surprised just how fast the water moves to the middle of the load...especially if it is a synthetic comforter...less then 10minutes I reckon... ...it is something you can try anyway. I can pause my machine and open the door on washes cooler than 60c and if you can do the same (pause/add) you can tell - just stick your hand in the middle and feel |
Post# 354929 , Reply# 73   6/5/2009 at 22:19 (5,409 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Like I said, for a front loading washer to cope with large and heavy items that will also hold lots of water, requires a certian level of design and build quality. In theory any front loading washer should be able to handle "bulky" items. Though how clean the item will be, and in what condition it and the washing machine will be in afterwards is another matter. L. |
Post# 354966 , Reply# 74   6/6/2009 at 05:50 (5,409 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Our Electrolux washer does have a Bulky Items cycle. Here's the video: CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK |
Post# 354967 , Reply# 75   6/6/2009 at 05:55 (5,409 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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And if you scroll down the playlist, you can see how it copes with a feather bed:
CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK |
Post# 355021 , Reply# 77   6/6/2009 at 11:16 (5,409 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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As for the water level in this machine, it's consistance in all cycles, 1/2 inch in the front to 4-5 inches in the rear. The water level never goes to the door seal in any cycles including delicate. Just finished doing two comforters and they washed well. BUT as for the mattress pad, I used the Sanitary cycle which is 2 hours long and one of the three stains did not wash out. Tide powder did not breakdown during the cycle. I've already dried it and didn't take note of it until it was placed back on mattress and returned to the box spring. I will re-wash tomorrow after my B-friend leaves. I wish these MFG would give the user three choices of water levels : Auto, Med and High. |
Post# 355027 , Reply# 78   6/6/2009 at 12:03 (5,409 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 355028 , Reply# 79   6/6/2009 at 12:09 (5,409 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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sure, during the wash and rinse cycles, water should never reach the door seal what i mentioned about water above the door during the long pauses is only to demonstrate how much water it uses when washing a bulky and absorvent load. There's something I don't like on those machines. the water spray above the door. if the water pressure is too low in your house, water won't spray and there will be a lot of detergent residue on the glass. |
Post# 355044 , Reply# 80   6/6/2009 at 12:56 (5,409 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 355066 , Reply# 81   6/6/2009 at 13:47 (5,409 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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This 5 minutes stain clean option sounds too dumb, but at least it istill agitating (with long pauses) and the rotation is sinchronized to let all the parts soaking for a few seconds. It's not one of the world's 7 wonders, but it's better than nothing. |
Post# 355100 , Reply# 82   6/6/2009 at 17:33 (5,408 days old) by frapdoodle ()   |   | |
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Now Does The Electrolux Come With The Pedestal?? I Know I Spelt It Wrong -Chance In His House |
Post# 355127 , Reply# 83   6/6/2009 at 20:36 (5,408 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 355150 , Reply# 84   6/6/2009 at 23:10 (5,408 days old) by autowasherfreak ()   |   | |
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I can't believe how much the manufacturers charge for the pedastals. I don't even use mine, I just like them for the added height. Mine were included with the rental payment from Rent-a-Center. |
Post# 355158 , Reply# 85   6/6/2009 at 23:42 (5,408 days old) by norfolksouthern ()   |   | |
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I may like to try one for a week, just to see what it does! Also, there's a couple Whirlpool top-loaders I'd like to test as well. Maybe I should look them up. NorfolkSouthern |
Post# 355766 , Reply# 88   6/9/2009 at 10:35 (5,406 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Hi Larry. How are you making out washing other loads of clothes in your household? How did the mattress pad come out after the second wash. At times, there are stains that have to be pre-treated. |
Post# 355783 , Reply# 89   6/9/2009 at 11:20 (5,406 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)   |   | |
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My Frigidaire with control board trouble: CLICK HERE TO GO TO brastemp's LINK |
Post# 356680 , Reply# 90   6/13/2009 at 03:22 (5,402 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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So far things are a little cleaner and time goes by. There is a learning curve that takes time, but once getting over that huddle, its get easier! I must watch my detergent dosing, some detergent will create suds cakes that takes a long time to beat down and Cheer HE ia a bad offender! Now let the fun begins: When doing bulky items, the front area takes a long time to get wet, so by starting the wash cycle on Quick Wash, it allows fresh water to splash on the clothes while filling, then cancel and set the cycle to start a new cycle with detergent. This is the only way that the front get wet quickly! Another thing, the machine does not fluff the load after the cycle is completed. A fluffer job is not all that bad if it's done right? Right? |
Post# 356690 , Reply# 92   6/13/2009 at 08:19 (5,402 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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CleanteamofNY...you made me laugh. No, a fluffer job isn't bad at all if done right but on the other hand maybe it saves a little time in the cycle as a whole...we are talking about fluffing the laundry, right? I would guess the clothes are plastered against the drum but is a fluffing at the end of the cycle really necessary? |
Post# 356897 , Reply# 93   6/14/2009 at 08:20 (5,401 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 357027 , Reply# 94   6/14/2009 at 15:20 (5,400 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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I just tried something on my DUET. I do have a "soak" cycle on my machine. Here is what happened: I loaded the machine, started soak cycle with warm water, once it was finished filling I paused the machine and turned to "normal cycle" with "more soil" and "extra rinse" and restarted. The machine filled with more water then tumbled with a good amount of water. The first and second rinses were normal, but here is the weird part. The final (third) rinse was whacked! It barely used ANY water, seriously. It was as if the Duet was saying, "since you used way to much water for the wash, I'm not gonna make up for it in the final rinse!" Literally the final rinse had so little water as compared to a normal rinse I could not believe it. |
Post# 357202 , Reply# 95   6/15/2009 at 14:16 (5,400 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 357204 , Reply# 96   6/15/2009 at 14:25 (5,400 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 357206 , Reply# 97   6/15/2009 at 14:29 (5,400 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 357208 , Reply# 98   6/15/2009 at 14:32 (5,400 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 357227 , Reply# 99   6/15/2009 at 15:59 (5,399 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 358634 , Reply# 100   6/21/2009 at 21:43 (5,393 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 358667 , Reply# 101   6/22/2009 at 03:40 (5,393 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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I'm not satisfied with the way things went. Oh well, just hand in the in-completed test and hope for the best.... CLICK HERE TO GO TO cleanteamofny's LINK |
Post# 358668 , Reply# 102   6/22/2009 at 04:13 (5,393 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 358704 , Reply# 103   6/22/2009 at 08:35 (5,393 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Thanks man for the videos, they look great! (great lighting) I have to tell you guys, I found another Electrolux video on Youtube from gemini80204. Nice to see WATER actualy washing/rinsing in a frontloader...more so than other NEW frontloaders I've seen washing on Youtube. CLICK HERE TO GO TO georgect's LINK |
Post# 358734 , Reply# 104   6/22/2009 at 12:17 (5,393 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 358739 , Reply# 105   6/22/2009 at 12:50 (5,393 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Yeah I noticed the suds too! But Cleanteam...I got to ask you, does your IQ machine have the "Econo Friendly" option. If it does have you turn it off? I ask because Gemini's looks like it has more water then yours but his is the WaveTouch and I know from the Energy Star web site the WaveTouch use a little more water. So I'm trying to see if more water is used turning the "Econo Friendly" feature off or does the WaveTouch just default more water? I like how you showed the instant unlock of the door on cancel. |
Post# 358744 , Reply# 106   6/22/2009 at 14:04 (5,393 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 358752 , Reply# 107   6/22/2009 at 14:52 (5,393 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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I checked out gemini's vid on youtube for the rinse in the Electrolux. I can't believe it used that much water to rinse, and this is an AMERICAN FL washer and is Energystar rated. I don't mind shallow water for the wash as that may actually be better as the detergent is more concentrated, but to rinse that is great. Still not using near the amount a TL used but still is a good amount of water. I wonder why Electrolux does this but not on their Frigidaire's?
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Post# 358814 , Reply# 108   6/22/2009 at 20:50 (5,392 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 358840 , Reply# 109   6/23/2009 at 00:36 (5,392 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 358863 , Reply# 111   6/23/2009 at 04:09 (5,392 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 358904 , Reply# 114   6/23/2009 at 08:45 (5,392 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Ray Please watch the other Gemini's videos. Even being part of the beginning of the project of this machine, I'm amazed. |
Post# 358971 , Reply# 116   6/23/2009 at 12:51 (5,392 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Ray Just click on the link above, it will open Gemini's youtube channel. there's a big video and if you scroll down the screen, you'll see there are a few more videos. The water level is correct. This machine has a higer water level if compared to other HE front loaders. Talking like Thomas the washing machines lover and collector, not the former Electrolux designer, this machine is the best option available in the US (maybe in the world) in 2009. |
Post# 358992 , Reply# 119   6/23/2009 at 14:23 (5,392 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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I'm wondering the exact same thing. The Wave Touch is 500 dollars more than the lower model. I am fascinated by this machine after seeing Gemini's videos vs cleanteam's vids. On Gemini's video you can see he DOES NOT choose the eco option. I wonder if it does use slightly more water. Someone call Electrolux. LOL
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Post# 359008 , Reply# 120   6/23/2009 at 15:05 (5,391 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Hi Mark. I may just call Electrolux. Larry states that the Eco button only eliminates the pre wash and extra rinse. It just does not make sense that Electrolux would have the same machines, one IQ and one Wave with different amounts of water. |
Post# 359009 , Reply# 121   6/23/2009 at 15:09 (5,391 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Technically it does... Let the poor people save water to protect the environment so the rich ones can spend more. I hate that but... it's a fact. |
Post# 359010 , Reply# 122   6/23/2009 at 15:10 (5,391 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Did you notice Affinity also uses more water than Gallery? technically they are the "same" machine |
Post# 359016 , Reply# 123   6/23/2009 at 15:30 (5,391 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Thomas, Why would Electrolux make the Wave Touch use more water? Not that I am complaining. lol |
Post# 359054 , Reply# 124   6/23/2009 at 17:37 (5,391 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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The FINAL rinse in the Electrolux is the deeper rinse, I do believe. I think cleanteam showed one of the first rinses in the video but not the final rinse. Also, you noticed when Gemini washed three king sized blankets; I'm suspecting the wash water was a little deeper because perhaps they used "bulky" or something similar. I don't think any "poor" people will be purchasing the IQ Touch or Wave Touch as they are both EXPENSIVE! :)
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Post# 359133 , Reply# 126   6/23/2009 at 23:21 (5,391 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 359197 , Reply# 127   6/24/2009 at 09:13 (5,391 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Thomas, Thanks for the info. I just wish that it can be confirmed that the Wave Touch uses more water. I and others out here may want to buy this machine. After delivery and set up we do not want to be disappointed. |
Post# 359213 , Reply# 128   6/24/2009 at 11:18 (5,391 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359215 , Reply# 129   6/24/2009 at 11:20 (5,391 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359216 , Reply# 130   6/24/2009 at 11:29 (5,391 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359217 , Reply# 131   6/24/2009 at 11:31 (5,391 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359221 , Reply# 132   6/24/2009 at 12:08 (5,391 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359227 , Reply# 133   6/24/2009 at 12:37 (5,391 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Larry Please try to position the drum exatly on the same position before taking the photos. It would be easier to compare the water levels. By the way, that's a good idea, I think I'll do the same with my Brazilian Ecoturbo so we can compare if there's any difference from the american Affinity. |
Post# 359231 , Reply# 134   6/24/2009 at 13:02 (5,391 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359232 , Reply# 135   6/24/2009 at 13:04 (5,391 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359234 , Reply# 136   6/24/2009 at 13:10 (5,391 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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I think i found a better way to compare... I think I'm going to use a ruler. |
Post# 359259 , Reply# 137   6/24/2009 at 15:16 (5,390 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 359277 , Reply# 138   6/24/2009 at 17:47 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359279 , Reply# 139   6/24/2009 at 17:56 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359280 , Reply# 140   6/24/2009 at 17:57 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359281 , Reply# 141   6/24/2009 at 17:59 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359282 , Reply# 142   6/24/2009 at 18:02 (5,390 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 359283 , Reply# 143   6/24/2009 at 18:05 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359284 , Reply# 144   6/24/2009 at 18:10 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359285 , Reply# 145   6/24/2009 at 18:14 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359286 , Reply# 146   6/24/2009 at 18:17 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359287 , Reply# 147   6/24/2009 at 18:19 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359288 , Reply# 148   6/24/2009 at 18:26 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359291 , Reply# 149   6/24/2009 at 18:33 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359416 , Reply# 150   6/25/2009 at 07:30 (5,390 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Thanks for taking the time to post the water level pictures. Looks pretty decent. More than any other non-Electrolux washer I've seen. I did write an e-mail to Electrolux and asked about the different water usage levels between the two models (WaveTouch vs. IQ-Touch), compared on the Energy Star web site and got a very lame explanation. This is the answer I got back: "The difference is the cycles.And how many rinses and such. Charles James TID Specialist 706-651-7219" Oh well...now I don't think the WaveTouch uses an added cycle because the total cycle times would be different between the two machine models. Each cycle time stated in the manual for each machine is the same. An added rinse would increase total cycle time so Charles James has to be wrong. Each machine has the same exact cycles (listed in each manual) and cycle times. My conclusion would be either more water is used over all in the entire cycle of the WaveTouch or it's using more water in the rinses as compared to the IQ-Touch. |
Post# 359423 , Reply# 152   6/25/2009 at 08:16 (5,390 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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I think it's time for me to phone an old friend in Curitiba - Brazil... |
Post# 359431 , Reply# 153   6/25/2009 at 08:49 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359443 , Reply# 155   6/25/2009 at 09:05 (5,390 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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By the way, He's the man that created the cycles. |
Post# 359445 , Reply# 156   6/25/2009 at 09:07 (5,390 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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In 30 years, these machine will be loved as the vintage Maytags... compared to the others... (I don't need to say anything, it can't be compared) |
Post# 359448 , Reply# 157   6/25/2009 at 09:12 (5,390 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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I forgot to say... The TOL version has stainless steel spiders. |
Post# 359452 , Reply# 158   6/25/2009 at 09:31 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Can a TL do a Quick Wash? Yes! The quick wash on my Kenmore can be acheived by using the rinse cycle with a 2nd rinse with the Wrinkle Guard on for a total of 14 minuets. 4 Minute Agitate Using (Heavy Duty, Regular) 1 Minuet Drain 2 Minuet Spin 4 Minuet Agitate 1 Minuet Drain 2 Minuet Spin Total of 14 Minutes. 2 Minute Agitate Using (Delicate, Extra Delicate, Hand wash) 1 Minuet Drain 2 Minuet Spin 2 Minuet Agitate 1 Minuet Drain 2 Minuet Spin Total of 10 Minuets Minute Agitate (Permanent Press) Minuet Drain Minuet Spin Minuet Agitate Minuet Drain Minuet Spin Total is 12 Minuets but not sure of the time breakdown! Now when comparing the two, it's about the same time due to filling of the TL'r and the Balancing Act of the FL'r. More or less very close to 20 minuets |
Post# 359453 , Reply# 159   6/25/2009 at 09:37 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359454 , Reply# 160   6/25/2009 at 09:41 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359457 , Reply# 161   6/25/2009 at 09:53 (5,390 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 359509 , Reply# 162   6/25/2009 at 13:00 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359513 , Reply# 163   6/25/2009 at 13:04 (5,390 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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HTH will do wonders to your pool. |
Post# 359515 , Reply# 164   6/25/2009 at 13:06 (5,390 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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I mean... you can find HTH in the US too, right? Not sure if it's a global company or a local brazilian company. |
Post# 359518 , Reply# 165   6/25/2009 at 13:19 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 359519 , Reply# 166   6/25/2009 at 13:27 (5,390 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Well, if you can find the HTH products and you have a good filter, things are going to be veeeeeeeeeeeeery easy. I have an Intex pop up pool in my apartment (no I'm not crazy) and I always fill it on the summers. Of course it's much easier to care when it's not in a garden exposed to rain, leaves and other debris. If you cheate a proper thread, i can tell you some tips I discovered with my pop up pool. |
Post# 359528 , Reply# 167   6/25/2009 at 14:25 (5,390 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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R u kidding me? Wow! That much be a FIRST for an American FL washer! The only thing that concerns me with these hi tech FL washers is the computer/electronics going whacko. Hopefully they have prevented this in these machines. I have wanted to see someone make a video of the "bulky" cycle on the Duet, but I don't see it anywhere. Mine lacks it and I hear it uses a lot more water. I'm kicking myself for not getting the TOL duet at the time
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Post# 359529 , Reply# 168   6/25/2009 at 14:27 (5,390 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 359544 , Reply# 170   6/25/2009 at 15:20 (5,389 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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By the way, it was the shortest meeting in my whole life... The big boss entered the room, said good morning and started to "throw up" the words. The whole meeting lasted less than two minutes and he left the room banging the door behind him. |
Post# 359660 , Reply# 173   6/26/2009 at 00:16 (5,389 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Well guys, sorry for the log and boring text... Maybe I should write a book. I already have the title: Boring memories of a former worker that has nothing better to do. warning! this book can have the same effect of sleeping pills. LOL |
Post# 359697 , Reply# 176   6/26/2009 at 09:14 (5,389 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Thomas, I want to thank you personally for finding this information out. This is great. I send an email to Gemini, but I did not get a response. My friend who is a manager at an appliance store also told me that this machine does ad more water. |
Post# 359716 , Reply# 178   6/26/2009 at 12:10 (5,389 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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as I mentioned above: As far as I know, those WAVE TOUCH machines are fully assembled in the USA, by american hands (but most of the metallic and small parts are made in Brazil.) Also, the electronic board is made in brazil (I hate the region where the plant is) and the LCD is surely made in China by Electrolux too. Maybe, solenoids and dispenser are made in Mexico (but i'm not sure) door glass made in the USA, motor made in Sweden or USA. |
Post# 359927 , Reply# 180   6/27/2009 at 09:56 (5,388 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Uploading from my neck of the woods is a total DRAG on the spin cycle, till uploading at this time. The dryer wsa on with Wrinkle Guard, sorry for the noise. CLICK HERE TO GO TO cleanteamofny's LINK |
Post# 360501 , Reply# 181   6/29/2009 at 22:27 (5,385 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Larry Please check the your profile's email. |
Post# 360505 , Reply# 182   6/29/2009 at 22:40 (5,385 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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The only thing I don't like about these washers is this: it appears the heater is only used to raise the temeprature of the wash water on the Sanitary/Deep Clean cycle. It appears the heater is not useed to maintain or bring up a few degrees to set point of either hot (120 or 130 degrees) or warm water (100 or 105 degrees) on any of the other cycles. Larry, maybe you can debunk that impression for me after ou get your upgraded machine.
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Post# 360611 , Reply# 184   6/30/2009 at 10:45 (5,385 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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I wrote to Electrolux about this subject (onboard heater used to maintain water temp.), back in February 09. This was Electolux's response: "Thank you for contacting Electrolux Major Appliances. We apologize for the delay in response. However our washer units are equipped with an internal heater and when the unit is operating on the sanitize cycle the heater maintains a set temperature of 152 degrees Fahrenheit. Also, the unit has an automatic temperature control so when the unit is operating and using a cold water setting the heater will automatically turn on if the water drops below 65 degrees Fahrenheit. When operating and using a warm water setting the heater will automatically turn on if the water drops below 78 degrees Fahrenheit. When operating and using a hot water setting the heater will automatically turn on if the water temperature drops below 120 degrees Fahrenheit. In closing the spin RPM for the Electrolux washer is 1350. If you have any further questions about the appliances please contact us at 877-435-3287. We are available Monday through Friday from 8 a.m. until 8 p.m. EST. Thank you for considering Electrolux Major Appliances." |
Post# 360621 , Reply# 185   6/30/2009 at 12:03 (5,385 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 361877 , Reply# 186   7/5/2009 at 13:45 (5,380 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 361906 , Reply# 187   7/5/2009 at 16:32 (5,379 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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I'm doing a no load water test and the water level is incredible. Thie rinse water fills up to the seal of the door on the Normal/Eco Cycle and the tumble rotation is a lot longer in each direction than the IQ washer. I'm not satified with the paint. The IQ washer had a better finish on it where you can see the speckles, this is matted opaq finish, not rich in color like on the ped! |
Post# 361918 , Reply# 188   7/5/2009 at 17:10 (5,379 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 361927 , Reply# 189   7/5/2009 at 17:16 (5,379 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 361973 , Reply# 191   7/5/2009 at 20:48 (5,379 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 361994 , Reply# 192   7/5/2009 at 22:49 (5,379 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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I believe you larry. What I can't believe Electrolux did an unacceptabe mistake like this right with this model after the "quality, quality, quality and when you believe it's enough, put more quality" brain wash the big boss did. |
Post# 362020 , Reply# 193   7/6/2009 at 02:59 (5,379 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 362035 , Reply# 194   7/6/2009 at 07:22 (5,379 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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...That's the price you pay for the status of owner of the best washing machine ever made by electrolux. |
Post# 362057 , Reply# 196   7/6/2009 at 10:58 (5,379 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Larry, definitely swap out the machine if you're not liking the finish of the paint job. You should be happy with your purchase...it's just a pain to deal with. It does sound like you are happy with the water usage amount. Hopefully the paint issue is just a fluke. Best of luck and looking forward to hear how well Sears handles this. Like Ray said...don't forget the rebate form. CLICK HERE TO GO TO georgect's LINK |
Post# 362058 , Reply# 197   7/6/2009 at 11:05 (5,379 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Larry. I think it was just a fluke like George said, I have seen both the models at many stores and they look the same, I am sure Sears will make good for it. Afterall, this machine uses much more water than any of the fron loaders out there. Ray |
Post# 362095 , Reply# 198   7/6/2009 at 13:53 (5,379 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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There will be some stupid paranoid saying this machine is a disaster to our environment just because it doesn't use 2 teaspoons of water and asking for a way to reduce the water level. Now we just have to wait for the first complain. |
Post# 362210 , Reply# 199   7/6/2009 at 22:05 (5,378 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Oh my goodness... There better not be anyone talking about Electolux WaveTouch using more water and waving shame at them for doing so. Come on, front loaders default at saving water/resources simply because they never fill up the whole drum like top loaders do. I'm so buying the WaveTouch (when my Whirlpool TL dies), only because it's the only known current HE washer that uses the most water, yet doesn't waste it. I want my closed washed in WATER and you can't get any better than the WaveTouch in today's modern machines. |
Post# 362590 , Reply# 201   7/8/2009 at 11:36 (5,377 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Just to update everyone. Gemini80204 put up two more videos of 19 pairs of jeans in the WaveTouch. CLICK HERE TO GO TO georgect's LINK |
Post# 362681 , Reply# 202   7/8/2009 at 19:13 (5,376 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Every time I see this machine in action I feel even more proud and amazed. Electrolux really did an excellent job. In my opinion it's the best HE machine I've ever seen. |
Post# 362712 , Reply# 203   7/8/2009 at 22:07 (5,376 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Sorry to step on some toes but I think the (American) Electrolux WaveTouch is better then the Americanized Meile's. Do I dare say, even better than the European Meile's? I can't imagine the weight of 19 pairs of jeans and water that machine has to bare and then spin them out...incredible. That has to be an outstanding suspension system...(springs and shocks) to not falter at such a load of laundry that size. I keep becoming more and more impressed with this machine. |
Post# 362804 , Reply# 207   7/9/2009 at 12:14 (5,376 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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"As described in posts above, the Electrolux will heat the water, but not extend the cycle until the target temperature is reached." Electrolux DOES extend the time until the temperature is reached. But you can also bleed the pipes. Don't you have a hot tap next to or near the machine? |
Post# 362884 , Reply# 210   7/9/2009 at 18:57 (5,375 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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HHEEEYYY!! That's the same model Kenmore I have. |
Post# 362953 , Reply# 211   7/10/2009 at 11:58 (5,375 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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The Miele has a hidden option of raising the rinse water level to "Maximum Water Level". There's also an "Allergy" mode, which gives you more rinses. That Electrolux washer looks very cool! However, I wonder why the wash times are so quick. Considering the amount of laundry this thing can cope with, I'd expected the main wash to be a little longer. Also would have loved to see the famous Jet System (recirculation the wash/rinse water via the top nozzle in the door boot) being incorporated in these washers like most of the Euro E'luxes have. Only LG seems to have that. Would love to hear more of the dryer, too! |
Post# 363014 , Reply# 213   7/10/2009 at 16:40 (5,374 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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One has to understand, at least from an Amercian point of view, front load washing machines with long cycle times are seen as a disadvantage. This is one of the reasons they pretty much died off on this side of the pond in the first place. Americans by and large tend to do laundry the way it has been done for ages. Large amounts of wash done once a week (or even longer), and that requires a machine with a decent capacity and cycles fast enough for Madame (or anyone else landed with the job), to get the thing over with quickly. The idea of doing wash every day,no matter how small the load, as per some European households is something that for the most part would drive Amercian housewives up the wall. As for wash results and cycle times, commercial and laundromat front loaders get very good results indeed with wash cycles under 15 minutes. However for the most part such front loaders use much more water per cycle,and are designed to process laundry quickly to enhance turnover (not laundry, but allowing a machine to do more loads per day). As one has repeatly stated, proper laundry practice is the sum of four main variables: time, temperature, chemicals, and mechanical action. If the last three, more importantly the final two are properly adjusted, one does not need hours of wash time to get the job done. If one is laundering a grossly filthy laundry, a pre-wash or soak followed by a main wash cycle is vastly better than one long main wash cycle. Hence the reason most if not all laundromat and commercial washing machines have either a set pre-wash or it can be added by user/owner. Far better to have a change of water and detergent to carry off the loose and some of the heavy soil, then attack what remains in another cycle, then to have the lot stewing in one main wash cycle. Indeed results from this system (which is how laundry was done for ages anyway, even by hand)are better because there is less redeposition of muck onto textiles because the two short cycles allows muck to be kept away from laundry and goes down the drain. With non-phosphate detergents becoming the norm, this even more important. Finally with domestic front loaders using less and less water for wash cycles, long wash times with so little water increases wear upon textiles. This is because textiles are now rubbing against themselves and the wash drum more harshly due to a lack of "extra" water to cushion the reaction. Of course drum movement (mechanical action), can be adjusted to compensate for this, but then you are back to those four variables again. Hence the long wash times because you have reduced mechanical action. L. |
Post# 363092 , Reply# 214   7/10/2009 at 22:11 (5,374 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Every word Launderess said (typed) is SO TRUE! Another reason I love the Electrolux is, wash times are not outrageously long. In America, a top loader can finish a load of laundry within 30 to 45 minutes (no extra spin or rinse depending on the brand). We also don't do laundry every day. We have one wash day a week...for the most part, (sometimes every other week). We want a big machine that can do all of it in one shot fast and we want it CLEAN. (Of course I separate my whites from my colors so I have two loads a week and that still adds up to a lot of laundry). European wash times just wont cut it here...hence Americanized BIG capacity machines with shorter wash times. I think Electrolux studied their American consumer very well. |
Post# 363334 , Reply# 215   7/11/2009 at 22:44 (5,373 days old) by favorit ()   |   | |
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Here the REX-Electrolux italian version CLICK HERE TO GO TO favorit's LINK |
Post# 363647 , Reply# 216   7/13/2009 at 08:21 (5,372 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 363653 , Reply# 217   7/13/2009 at 08:54 (5,372 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 365019 , Reply# 218   7/17/2009 at 22:02 (5,367 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 365119 , Reply# 219   7/18/2009 at 09:12 (5,367 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)   |   | |
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Affinity on Cold Europe?? Ok, I have a Affinity and this washer have little washer time ans inneficient heating element. On Whirlpool Duet they change washer time and add a 95ºC program. |
Post# 365162 , Reply# 220   7/18/2009 at 13:01 (5,367 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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The european Affinity has some differences too. Starting by the 220V power, against the 110V in USA and Brazil. Also, it still have both hot and cold fills. |
Post# 365292 , Reply# 221   7/19/2009 at 01:30 (5,366 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 365434 , Reply# 222   7/19/2009 at 17:09 (5,365 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 365561 , Reply# 223   7/19/2009 at 23:10 (5,365 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Larry, there's an easy way to get rid of the headache. 1) Toss a load in your Electrolux and forget it. 2) Have a Tylenol, maybe two, or maybe four or five aspirins. 3) Turn off your cell phone and unplug the phone. 4) Go to bed and forget the world exists until tomorrow morning. ----------------------------------------- Georgect Woof? somebody please explain. LOL |
Post# 365601 , Reply# 224   7/20/2009 at 07:05 (5,365 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 365620 , Reply# 226   7/20/2009 at 09:04 (5,365 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Of course i forgot to paste the link... like always.... LOL CLICK HERE TO GO TO thomasortega's LINK |
Post# 365648 , Reply# 227   7/20/2009 at 11:02 (5,365 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 365657 , Reply# 228   7/20/2009 at 12:31 (5,365 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Hey Larry........... So how is the Wave touch doing? Did Sears replace it yet for you? Let us know. Ray |
Post# 365670 , Reply# 230   7/20/2009 at 13:00 (5,365 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Hey Larry, I was going to ask the same thing... Did they replace your "degradeé painting" WT? |
Post# 367016 , Reply# 231   7/25/2009 at 21:40 (5,359 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 367125 , Reply# 234   7/26/2009 at 11:44 (5,359 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 367128 , Reply# 235   7/26/2009 at 11:49 (5,359 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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That's because in some countries, some stupid housekeepers use amonia to degrease some kinds of fabric. (like kitchen towels) amonia x chlorine, Do I need to say something else? |
Post# 367130 , Reply# 236   7/26/2009 at 11:52 (5,359 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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yes, there are spins between the rinses |
Post# 367412 , Reply# 238   7/27/2009 at 04:38 (5,358 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 367452 , Reply# 239   7/27/2009 at 08:36 (5,358 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Growing up in the 50's we had a GE wringer washer. The whites were the first wash, then they were wrung into a wash tub with warm water and bleach, then rinsed twice. The results were outstanding. |
Post# 368152 , Reply# 240   7/29/2009 at 16:17 (5,355 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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The Electrolux website indicates another difference between the Wave Touch and IQ machines. The Wave Touch has a 1,350 Spin Spin The IQ Touch has a 1,200 RPM Spin CLICK HERE TO GO TO iheartmaytag's LINK |
Post# 368154 , Reply# 241   7/29/2009 at 16:29 (5,355 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Having been an "add it to the wash" bleach man, it seemed odd when my FrigiLux washer added it to the first rinse. Having since learned (from Launderess) that the enzymes in detergents and OxiClean-type products (I use Amway's Tri-Zyme) aren't compatible with liquid chlorine bleach, I'm now glad my FL'er adds LCB in the first rinse. Any enzyme/oxygen bleach-based product will have been spun out. I'm also liking the new Tide Stain Release pacs. I pre-washed/soaked a huge loads of highly-stained kitchen whites in my FrigiLux top-loader in some liquid Tide with Color Clean Bleach Alternative and two Stain Release pacs. I pulled the load out and looked it over before proceeding to the regular wash cycle and almost all the stains were already gone! |
Post# 368155 , Reply# 242   7/29/2009 at 16:32 (5,355 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Is the way commercial laundries have done it for ages, and many domestic housekeeping manuals advised homemakers. Chlorine bleach does not require long contact time for disenfection and whitening, about five minutes in hot water, maybe a bit longer in cooler temps. Longer exposure time only serves to weaken textiles. Indeed any stain or soil that cannot be removed in about five minutes with chlorine bleach will NOT be removed by the substance, period. For disenfection and or sanitation purposes, the less germs and such on or in a substance, along with organic soils, the better any chemical disenfectant will work. Thus it is best to add chlorine bleach in another cycle after the main wash water has been drained away,taking much of the muck, soils and germs with it. Pools for instance have to add various large amounts of chlorine to keep bacteria levels under control because the water is by and large stagnant. Read the directions on any EPA approved disenfectant and it will say for purposes of disenfecting, surface should be cleaned prior to applying solution. |
Post# 369704 , Reply# 243   8/5/2009 at 08:34 (5,349 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 369945 , Reply# 244   8/6/2009 at 03:30 (5,348 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 369978 , Reply# 245   8/6/2009 at 07:47 (5,348 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Hi Larry. Thanks for the update. Cannot wait to see. Ray |
Post# 370306 , Reply# 246   8/7/2009 at 13:17 (5,347 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 370309 , Reply# 247   8/7/2009 at 13:44 (5,347 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Thats okay Larry. When you have the time. Ray |
Post# 373383 , Reply# 248   8/20/2009 at 07:12 (5,334 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Larry I'm dying to see your video's of your new WaveTouch in action. It would be really cool to see each different wash cycle and it's tumble action and water content (to see how they differ)...any chance of posting those on Youtube? You and Gemini are the only ones with the goods but no updates have been posted. Please, pretty please :) |
Post# 374841 , Reply# 249   8/26/2009 at 08:10 (5,328 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 374845 , Reply# 250   8/26/2009 at 08:47 (5,328 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 374856 , Reply# 252   8/26/2009 at 09:22 (5,328 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 374937 , Reply# 253   8/26/2009 at 15:36 (5,327 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 375084 , Reply# 254   8/27/2009 at 10:44 (5,327 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 375108 , Reply# 255   8/27/2009 at 13:51 (5,327 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Thanks Larry. So different cycles default different water levels. I guess the reason the "Active Cycle" uses more water is to better release body oils from sweat in clothes? How's the tumble action for the Active Cycle...would you say aggressive like Heavy Duty or more middle of the road like Normal? Larry it looks like the cycles range from most aggressive Deep Clean Sanitize (left) to most gentle Hand Wash (right) on the dial. Would you say wash action and water level correlates with that? (i.e. the cycle more on the right use more water with a more gentler tumble action?) If so with "Colors" between "Whites" and "Normal" does "Colors" use less water with a medium tumble action where "Casual" & "Active Wear" use a gentler wash action with more water? Or are water levels different no mater where on the dail you select? I think I just repeated myself. |
Post# 377250 , Reply# 256   9/6/2009 at 19:16 (5,316 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 377276 , Reply# 257   9/6/2009 at 21:02 (5,316 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 377352 , Reply# 259   9/7/2009 at 08:21 (5,316 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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I still have the Kenmore's, they are hooked up in the garage area. The washer is used for car rags and soaking if needed. As for the Electrolux IQ, I had it for a short period and the machine performed very well. I've upgraded to the Wave Touch for higher water level during the wash like in gemini80204's YouTube video. My Wave Touch still fills like the IQ and the only way to get that water level as posted is to add it myself through the detergent draw. (When I re-looked at his video) The water should not stay on that long, it will fill in increments until water level is satified. I think he added water and the machine did not regulate. How do I know? Because the machine fills in two areas from the rear of the tub then to the front depending on which cycle being used. To tell you the truth, by adding water will help the load but one must be careful that all that splashing causes suds that's too thick with certain detergent(s). When the normal water level is used with more detergent, suds are kept to a minimum. |
Post# 377358 , Reply# 260   9/7/2009 at 08:47 (5,316 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Thanks for the explanation on Gemini80204's water level. I guess it was too good be true that an HE washer would use that much water...shucks. Larry, what is with the two fill areas in the rear and one in front? Could you explain that and why would it do that for different cycles? What's the advantage? |
Post# 377360 , Reply# 261   9/7/2009 at 09:05 (5,316 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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George, The first thing the washer does is drain the sump area, any water lingering will be flushed down the drain. Then the machine will pause and the filling will start flushing the detergent to the rear of the machine, then after a couple of reverse tumbles, the front will spray down the door area and then back to the rear until the water level is satisfied. It will depend on load size for this to happen. |
Post# 378753 , Reply# 262   9/14/2009 at 01:10 (5,309 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 378809 , Reply# 263   9/14/2009 at 11:21 (5,309 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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The pursose of this video is how much deterent should be used. Someone on THS posed a question should she see suds? And I did used Baking Soda and STTP in that cycle. ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/lau... CLICK HERE TO GO TO cleanteamofny's LINK |
Post# 379033 , Reply# 264   9/14/2009 at 20:42 (5,308 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Thanks Larry (CleanteamofNY) for guiding the lost(Me). Your Wave Touch machine looks big and shiny next to your Kenmore dryer. I hope you get many years out of it repair-free. |
Post# 379143 , Reply# 265   9/15/2009 at 09:51 (5,308 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent)   |   | |
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What does it do in the washing cycle... btw has some EU-members an idea where you can find STTP on this side of the big blue ocean? |
Post# 379251 , Reply# 266   9/15/2009 at 18:35 (5,307 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 380971 , Reply# 268   9/23/2009 at 13:26 (5,300 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 381260 , Reply# 269   9/24/2009 at 18:16 (5,298 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 381390 , Reply# 270   9/25/2009 at 13:33 (5,298 days old) by hoaglanddiver ()   |   | |
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Post# 381694 , Reply# 271   9/27/2009 at 10:26 (5,296 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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IQ-Touch has all option selector buttons laid out individually and a separate count down window for time remaining. Wave-Touch has a multifunction screen that shows all your options, those options have a button directly underneath them and also displays with images what the washer is doing as well as time remaining. IQ-Touch you can make one "My Favorite" cycle. With the Wave-Touch you can create three "My Favorite" cycles. IQ-Touch maximum spin speed is 1200 RPM. Wave-Touch maximum spin speed is 1350. |
Post# 381856 , Reply# 273   9/28/2009 at 08:20 (5,295 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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They are supposed to be forgiving on flooring that is not as solid as cement basement slab. From what I've read (I don't know this as fact), there are gel packs near the weights around the washer drum that counteract vibration by shaking in the opposite direction. You could always reinforce your flooring with a large piece of plywood securely fastened to floor joists. |
Post# 382183 , Reply# 275   9/30/2009 at 07:03 (5,293 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Maven, The Wave touch is the way to go because of cycle flexibility. Both machine performed well and cleaning is outstanding compairng it to my toploader. Launderess explained the purpose os steam for the wash as noted above, but it is a feature that's a bonus and not a must if you're using the right detergents and proper cycles. Keep in mind that the cycles ranges from 18 minuets (The truth about 25/27minuets because of the balancing act) to 2 hours, it is how you modify the cycles for your laundry. Keep us posted on which washer you've purchased on this thread. A note to the wise. If you are installing any front loader with pedistals. (It does not matter what brand!) Do not allow delivery guys take shipping bolts out until the pedistals are completely mounted on the machine and 5 feets from final resting place. Yell at them not to do it and tip them good! |
Post# 387272 , Reply# 276   10/22/2009 at 19:07 (5,270 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 395927 , Reply# 279   11/25/2009 at 21:36 (5,236 days old) by westyslantfront ()   |   | |
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Hi Larry. Back in July, I bought Whirlpool Duet to wash king size bedding. It works ok but sometimes, I open detergent drawer and stick hose in to add water to the tub. Ross |
Post# 395975 , Reply# 280   11/26/2009 at 09:51 (5,236 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 401857 , Reply# 283   12/25/2009 at 11:17 (5,207 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Yesterday I needed to wash my sheets and mattress pad because I have a boil on my thigh which drained onto my sheets and pad. I've done a profile wash as Ms. Laundress recommends, so I've set the washer on the sanitary cycle and manually filled the machine with cold water and added Tide He powder and bleach. The wash cycle too close to 4 hour to complete because around these parts, the water temp is freezing, so it took forever to heat the water to 154*. And I do ask......., was it worth it? YES!!!! No blood, nor pus remained and I did not pre-treat! |
Post# 401866 , Reply# 284   12/25/2009 at 13:26 (5,207 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 401868 , Reply# 285   12/25/2009 at 13:35 (5,207 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 401916 , Reply# 286   12/25/2009 at 17:55 (5,206 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 768388 , Reply# 287   7/6/2014 at 11:36 (3,553 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Something new! Going back in time and wow the machine is still running strong with 2 minor problems. Ripped boot that has not been replaced yet at the 10 O Clock mark and the push clip for the detergent draw is broken but does not effect function. The new thing that is not mentioned in the manual is that the tub clean cycle can be used anytime if we look through the option cycle on the machine instead of waiting 50 cycles! Nice that LUX hid this from us common peoples! |
Post# 768537 , Reply# 288   7/6/2014 at 18:50 (3,552 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA)   |   | |
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I seriously considered one of these when I was looking for a new machine two years ago, but the thing that made me shy away from them was the slant tub design. I just don't like it, somehow. What it supposed to do, anyway?
Then I watched the videos of this washer on youtube. I noticed someone commented they couldn't tell if they were watching the dryer or the washer because there was almost no difference between the two while they were in operation, i.e. no water or even droplets on the glass...can these be tweaked to use more water like their Frigidaire cousins? |
Post# 768550 , Reply# 289   7/6/2014 at 19:52 (3,552 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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The tilt in the tub prevent coins and small socks entering the outer basket so there are no traps to clean monthly. And no need to tweak them, they use the right amount of water according the load except comforters. Concentrated detergent in the least amount of clothes equals cleaner loads. It takes time to get used to the low water usage but the results are wonderful. My nephew uses my machine and I will take time to teach him how to wash his clothes properly so the whites does not turn grey. 10 Shades of grey..... I wished I took a photo of the before pictures. This is what they looked after I super treated them!
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Post# 768734 , Reply# 290   7/7/2014 at 10:51 (3,552 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, CT)   |   | |
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Post# 768760 , Reply# 291   7/7/2014 at 12:31 (3,552 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 768889 , Reply# 292   7/7/2014 at 18:59 (3,551 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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I don't think the dryers can be as efficient as they are now unless they use low heat long vacuum section between heating cycles. When drying my active ware clothing, I use the air setting for 50 mins and they are dried or I choose to hang them up if not in a hurry. Bigger is not better for a washer but must a must for a dryer except when only doing small loads and the space is wasted! |