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Post# 348654   5/13/2009 at 15:00 (5,433 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Post# 348657 , Reply# 1   5/13/2009 at 15:03 (5,433 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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I wonder where the heck they get parts for these to keep them in current operation? Maybe they have that Maytag reliability and little to no need for parts and repair :)

Post# 348667 , Reply# 2   5/13/2009 at 15:50 (5,433 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
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I am going to show this to Pete and see if we want them. Our major problem here at our laundromat is the Speed Queen agitator washers we have are constantly being overloaded.If we had the oversize front loading "Big boys",we wouldn't have that problem anymore.i currently have a SQ that needs a new trans.from so many overloads.

Post# 348669 , Reply# 3   5/13/2009 at 15:56 (5,433 days old) by davek ()        
Chattanooga

I grew up in Chattanooga. I wonder where that laundromat is. Those machines look impeccable to be 34 years old (older than me)! Unlike many laundromats, that one looks clean and not really busy enough...

Post# 348694 , Reply# 4   5/13/2009 at 17:14 (5,433 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
Spin speeds

Great machines they are, but they do spin very slowly. And for that reason, a separate extractor is a necessity. They, along with the extractor, would have to bolt down to a cement floor. This would obviously require some foundation work if one were wanting a machine for personal use. As for me, I would definitely grab if I had a place to set it up!

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Post# 348703 , Reply# 5   5/13/2009 at 18:02 (5,433 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

Bolt one of those down in the basement and you are in for a good shaking!

Post# 348706 , Reply# 6   5/13/2009 at 18:32 (5,433 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I thought MILNOR

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was still in business,no?

Post# 348720 , Reply# 7   5/13/2009 at 19:51 (5,433 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Indeed they are still in business but have changed their design slightly. They used to use a speed changing transmission with nice loud solenoids from what I understand, but now they use "inverter drive" with just one belt from the pulley to the motor. I think you can still buy the speed changing type from them refurbished... I gotta get my hands on one!!!

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Post# 348723 , Reply# 8   5/13/2009 at 20:10 (5,432 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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One would think first one would have to get the unit INTO the basement, then worry about installation! *LOL*

Unless one's basement door opens onto the side or back of the house, and even then it still would be some mean feat to get one of these behemoths downstairs.


Post# 348730 , Reply# 9   5/13/2009 at 20:46 (5,432 days old) by sudsman ()        
For sure Milnor is still is business

Those machines do spin only a little above 400 and loads are very wet when removed and only have a non changeable cycle of 24 mins. some did have 28 but only 2 rinses. They do a good wash job as all Milnors do. Parts are still very plentyful for them with out problems.. They are VERY noisy machines and unless bolted down and grouted in will have major bearing problems.

Post# 348753 , Reply# 10   5/13/2009 at 22:59 (5,432 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
35 lb Milnor

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I had one at the Hyannis Yacht Club. Bought it Brand New. Bolt down into the 8 in Concrete Slab...Fabulous Machine. Never missed a beat. I used to love programming the "Steps". Also had a 75 lb Speed Queen Gas Dryer Auto Reversing. What a Combo.

Post# 348759 , Reply# 11   5/14/2009 at 01:51 (5,432 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Pellerin Milnor is near the airport in suburban New Orleans,(Kenner), I once traveled on the train from Memphis to New Orleans and you go right by the factory. Pell/milnor, ships all over the world including tunnel washers, I think they have their own switching tracks by the rails. They were really great after Katrina they had FEMA trailers in their parking lots for employees that lost their homes. Not many companies like that around anymore. I always admired the design of the machines in Laundress' post. Kind of like a Bendix on steroids.

Post# 348786 , Reply# 12   5/14/2009 at 08:23 (5,432 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
oh yeah alr

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they are a Bendix on steriods thats for sure! Did they make the My-T-Boys we had a laundry in Chatham filled with My-T-Boys and we used to do our wash in those. I peaked inside the top once, they had a huge cut plastic drum with grooves that held switches and that was what created the back and forth tumbling. The switch would reverse the motor.


Post# 348814 , Reply# 13   5/14/2009 at 11:52 (5,432 days old) by sudsman ()        
My T Boys

Were made by Troy Laundrite. E Moline Ill. VERY good machines.. They had the drum programmer cards That were cut with a knife and were very reliable. they also made the Big boy and Chore Boy.. 18 lb 25 lb and 40 lbs in that order They were bought out by Frazier Laundry Systems in the Late 70 early 80s. a Division of Ecnomics Laboratory now known as Ecolab They ran it into the ground and closed it down.

Post# 348954 , Reply# 14   5/14/2009 at 20:32 (5,431 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
One of the machines that started it all for me

The coin-op Milnors at the laundry my mom worked at and her Kenmore 800 are all to blame.

Post# 348966 , Reply# 15   5/14/2009 at 21:16 (5,431 days old) by cornutt (Huntsville, AL USA)        

davek: I went to high school in Chattanooga. If the machines were installed new, then based on where I remember new development being in 1975, I'd guess the laundromat was either in the Bonny Oaks Drive area, or in Hixson. We lived in East Ridge then, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't there.


Post# 348997 , Reply# 16   5/14/2009 at 22:34 (5,431 days old) by trok_99 ()        

Not a rare sight to see 20-30 year old MILNORS

The 420 rpm extract gave 75G’s …about the same as a whirlpool/kenmore belt drive

Milnor made a hard mount OPL machine on the same base that had 600 rpm that gave 158G’s

Yes, these were the 2 motor, 2 clutch, tied together by a jackshaft machines that had reversing contactors and time out relays that scared the shit out of a lot of people that were not familiar with them, but it worked. For more than 30 years, it worked and worked well.

I will ask anyone to find a machine that washed or washes as well, today…besides a Milnor.

I’ve posted this before, but it’s been some time…..

It’s easy when you look at it this way….

Motor 1 – wash motor

Motor 2 – extract motor

Clutch one – wash clutch

Clutch two – extract clutch

4 pieces, tied together by a jackshaft and belts, equals 4 speeds


Wash speed = wash motor on, extract motor off, wash clutch on, extract clutch off

Distribution/Drain speed = wash motor off, extract motor on, wash clutch on, extract clutch off

Slow Extract = wash motor on, extract motor off, wash clutch off, extract clutch on

High extract = wash motor off, extract motor on, wash clutch off, extract clutch on

Two, 7.5 second timeout relays were used during the drain sequence….when the machine was commanded to drain, the first of 2, 7.5 second relays came into play. The first one commanded the machine to “wash” clockwise til the 7.5 second relay timed out….

Then, the machine ramped to drain speed and the second 7.5 second relay came in to play. For 7.5 seconds, the machine operated in drain speed with the drain valve “closed”….the load “rides the wave of water and finds itself a place on the side of the cylinder, to balance”….then the drain valve opens as the 7.5 second relay times out.

There is another 55 second relay that keeps the machine in low extract speed when high extract is called for. You will ever see one of these 4 motor machines go into high extract out of drain speed cuz of that relay.


Post# 349125 , Reply# 17   5/15/2009 at 07:31 (5,431 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

Looks like Huebsch dryers in the background.

Post# 349138 , Reply# 18   5/15/2009 at 09:06 (5,431 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

The 2 motor 2 clutch system sounds very interesting and fun to play with. I just may have to look for one of those machines!

Post# 349140 , Reply# 19   5/15/2009 at 09:26 (5,431 days old) by sudsman ()        
trok 99

This machine washes BETTER than a Milnor! anyday!

Post# 349142 , Reply# 20   5/15/2009 at 09:38 (5,431 days old) by bosch2460 (Harrisonburg, VA)        

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For several years, I worked in a Nursing Home. They had Milnor washers. Two 90-pounders that were from the early 90's. They had a 125 pounder that they replaced several times. They went through 3 in a matter of 10 years. They tried replacing it with other models, but one was set up for maintenance, and was determined to be dangerous. So, it was replaced with another brand (of which I cannot remember). It pooped out after 2 years, and was finally replaced with a Milnor. And then they had a really old, used 30 pound washer, a new Heubush (Speed Queen) front loader that was really a household. And then finally a DD Kenmore TL..that was only used for sweaters, and personals. I actually loved the 90 pound washers more than the others. They were programmed and you entered a 2-digit code to run the formula. 21 was Isolation, 22 was Delicates, 23 was Pads and Bibs, and all the others from personals to sheets, to towels to bedspreads. All in all, 10 pre-programmed formulas. Everything was sorted, and weighed on huge scales. They had a minimum weight that had to be made for every machine. They actually loaded under suggested weight. Certain loads could weigh more than others, etc. All wash levels, times, extracts, additive points, etc were all preprogrammed. Interestingly enough, the older Milnors used higher water levels. Level 2 on the older Milnors were higher than those on the newer one. Amazing washers though...loved to just watch them. The older ones extracted at 700 rpm, and with warm rinses on every program, they came out pretty dry. I would love to work in a laundry, but the pay for a general worker sucks. And it is HARD work. Loading and unloading huge washers is really man's work. There were 4 girls that worked in there, and when I was able to volunteer, I did the loading and unloading. Hard work, but I loved every second. While we folded, you had a direct view of the washers. Heaven. :) Just my experiences and thought I would share. I could yap about this shit alllll day.

Post# 349286 , Reply# 21   5/15/2009 at 23:11 (5,430 days old) by trok_99 ()        
sudsman...

I admit, I am biased…I sell Milnor. My opinions on Milnor’s wash quality in general however are, in the industry, accepted, founded and I stand by them for opinion sake. Everyone has a right, after all.

I have followed your posts on this site for some time and your experience in the industry is clear, deliberate and founded and I respect it. I must say that I am more than surprised and somewhat shocked that any laundry manager or washman with your years of experience would ever say that ANY split pocket laundry washer of any brand or manufacture, Milnor included, would out wash an open pocket washer. Or, to clarify, were you referring to a Milnor divided cylinder washer to that of one by Dynawash?

I am unfamiliar with the era of the machine pictured. Does this machine include an Ozone generator or is that reserved to machines carrying the Edro-Dynawash nomenclature?



Post# 349326 , Reply# 22   5/16/2009 at 04:38 (5,430 days old) by sudsman ()        
trok99

If you sell Milnor you should be Quite familar with other makes of washer/extractors I suggest you Check out Edro Dyna wash and C for yourself.. The machine will out wash anything I have ever seen in 50 + years in the laundry. Open pocket or divided pocket. It is not a ozone machine which I have talked to a number of Laundry Managers over the past few years and have yet to talk to anyone of them that has had a ozone system that worked properly for more than a year or two at the most. do know where there are many not in operation. I have had Milnors 135 and 200 lbs split pocket machine and being the good heavy duty machines they are however neither would do a good wash job and the ribs almost non exist. American and Troy both had split pocket machines that did beautiful work too. So does Braun .. I suggest you ask or better yet visit some plants that have them.. I am sure you will even be more suprised and shocked! Granted Milnors are good machines. However like all the rest now they ARE NOT the good machine they were 10 or 15 years ago. When they Dropped the 60 Self Balance and the 75 hi speed and changed to the new design they lost a lot of respect from many laundry managers. I being one of them . The Qwe and Swe models were some of the best they ever had. In his area Milnor handles the service for Chicago flatwork and I have them here almost monthly. They far exceed expetations for most of us in this area on service of their machines and Chicago Flatwork. Are you a memeber of the local Chapter of ALM? We have contact with laundry managers world wide thru some of their programs. I am sure you would enjoy chatting with other laundry managers in your area.



Post# 349352 , Reply# 23   5/16/2009 at 09:56 (5,430 days old) by trok_99 ()        
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I am Quite familiar with all of the competition I sell against, thank you. That machinery would be of, Braun, Ellis, Lavatec, Girbau and small machines from Alliance and Wascomat. In this part of the country, Edro Dynawash, Brim, Ramco, Sailstar and Washex have no presence whatsoever. They simply do not exist and therefore I was asking you, for your experience. At the Clean show, you cannot go to the Edro booth without being bombarded by their ozone technology. You are not alone with your feelings on Ozone. An ozone system that is not monitored, recalibrated and tested is doomed to fail. Milnor still produces and sells tons of the 200lb split pocket, the 450lb and 700lb rapid load hydro-cushion machines that laundry managers swear by and produce beautiful work. I visit commercial laundry plants on a weekly basis. I am a member of ALM and I do enjoy chatting with laundry managers throughout my state. If I was to follow your suggestion to visit a plant that had the machinery you referred to, I would have to travel far beyond my state border. In my experience the end user has always been surprised and shocked at how much better an open pocket washer washes, compared to a split pocket of any brand or manufacture, as I said. I know a laundry manager that makes the same comments as you regarding Troy split pockets but as they have been out of business for 30 years so, what’s the point? The 60lb BALCOM machine made its mark in the industry when it came to small machines with super extraction capabilities, that is for sure. There are many that are 30 plus years old and still in operation. With the machines I mentioned above, besides no longer having multiple motors, they are basically the same machines they were 30 years ago, very little has changed. The QWE and SWE were excellent machines. Apart from having a single motor, inverter and an electric drain versus and air operated one, those machines are available today from Milnor. My opinions are formed by my experience, a lot of that experience has been listening to laundry managers. In this area, laundry managers seem to uphold and agree with Milnors reputation for unsurpassed wash quality and that the machines outlast anything else on the market. Milnor and Chicago have always maintained a very close relationship in the industry.

Post# 349357 , Reply# 24   5/16/2009 at 10:27 (5,430 days old) by sudsman ()        
Trok 99

you must be with Minnesota chemical are you one of the Baker bros..

Post# 349359 , Reply# 25   5/16/2009 at 10:40 (5,430 days old) by trok_99 ()        
sudsman

I am not employeed with that company and am of no relation to them.

Post# 349360 , Reply# 26   5/16/2009 at 10:57 (5,430 days old) by sudsman ()        
Trok99 sorry you took such execption

Did not mean it that way at all...

But still stand by the fact the 135 and 200 lb models will not do a good wash job on heavy soil. The 450 and 600 are totally different machines and do wash any load quite well.But I do assure you this model Edro does a wash job equal to none. I do also know that they have other models open pocket included that do a awful wash job. and 2 of those models are ozone machines. The service they offer at least in this area is some of the worst there is. and have had distributors drop the line several times. beacuse of parts problems. As Far as Washex that is also a totally different machine. and am told days are numbered for them. The point on Troy is that there are still some of the old machines in operation in this area after 35 to 40 years so Milnor is not the only mfg. that can claim longtivity. Although one of the older mfgs. still around. Personally the Balcom was one of my favroite machines.. Did you Know Bill Lohamnn with ReNu Machinery in Dallas.. A dear friend for many years and one of the betters dealers in the area for decades. enjoying this. Bringing back many memories thanks..


Post# 349363 , Reply# 27   5/16/2009 at 11:21 (5,430 days old) by sudsman ()        
Trok 99

Do you have any of the old sales brochures on the old 100lb hard mount split pocket. From the 60's Now that WAS a machine that would out wash ANY thing. Had several of them at one time.

Post# 349364 , Reply# 28   5/16/2009 at 11:28 (5,430 days old) by trok_99 ()        
sudsman

I sure do. In fact, in addition to the brochures, I have several glossy photo's of them. I will make it a point to scan them at work and post them.

Post# 349372 , Reply# 29   5/16/2009 at 12:25 (5,430 days old) by sudsman ()        
t -99

Thanks you can make a old lms..heart jump...


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