Everyone! Read! this please and see if you have anything to say about it ?

Ok boys and girls i was reading toploader1984's thread about how government were cutting out toploaders and that most of it was due to electronics and well i started to type a reply but by the end of my rant rant RANT session i acctually wanted people to see what i wrote. and im pretty sure some of you will have things to add here. but i was just speaking my mind. but here goes guys:P

I seriously reakon if people kept suggesting that to companies they'd do it. i mean push button things to me arent all that cool. there almt no effort in turning a knob and pulling it out. so why cant they just do it. im tired of electronic washing machines there taking the fun out of them. and its getting to crazy for us. we should be able to push a button uder a lid and watch the washer not fiddle around with a magnet trying to find the right stop. and what OH what happened to the good old front loaders that took 45 mins to do a normanl amount of washing they still save water just takes less time, and AND these new HE toploaders. my aunty got the fisher and paykel one and she's like look at it its awsome and all i had to say was "Ah well.. too late to flush it now"

grr with electronics and grr with toploaders that dont use water. i dont really like toploaders at all but i do agree with my head down that some of them do a better job than some front loaders. they should keep toploaders with a averadge water intake, id love to say get rid of the plasic but hey lets be realistic here, and with the front loaders in the US (I dont live there but this is all i can see of it)But they should come in decent sizes with out having a name like "super compact or super suze on them" they should have normal every days ones that last for more than 3 and 5 years at a time.and have a decent price on them. no couple wants to buy a 12 Kg front loader for $2000 they want a normal size 6.5Kg for $700. god i wish people would acctually think. they can make every body happy they just dont want to.

anyway now that i've turned into Paris from Gilmore Gils. i will leave you guys with this and check back in a couple of days:P take care of your selves

Josh xx


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Post# 348750 5/13/2009 at 22:45 (5,455 days old) by hooverzodiac12 (Melbourne, Australia)
Checkrate/Likes Ok boys and girls i was reading toploader1984's thread about how government were cutting out toploaders and that most of it was due to electronics and well i started to type a reply but by the end of my rant rant RANT session i acctually wanted people to see what i wrote. and im pretty sure some of you will have things to add here. but i was just speaking my mind. but here goes guys:P I seriously reakon if people kept suggesting that to companies they'd do it. i mean push button things to me arent all that cool. there almt no effort in turning a knob and pulling it out. so why cant they just do it. im tired of electronic washing machines there taking the fun out of them. and its getting to crazy for us. we should be able to push a button uder a lid and watch the washer not fiddle around with a magnet trying to find the right stop. and what OH what happened to the good old front loaders that took 45 mins to do a normanl amount of washing they still save water just takes less time, and AND these new HE toploaders. my aunty got the fisher and paykel one and she's like look at it its awsome and all i had to say was "Ah well.. too late to flush it now" grr with electronics and grr with toploaders that dont use water. i dont really like toploaders at all but i do agree with my head down that some of them do a better job than some front loaders. they should keep toploaders with a averadge water intake, id love to say get rid of the plasic but hey lets be realistic here, and with the front loaders in the US (I dont live there but this is all i can see of it)But they should come in decent sizes with out having a name like "super compact or super suze on them" they should have normal every days ones that last for more than 3 and 5 years at a time.and have a decent price on them. no couple wants to buy a 12 Kg front loader for $2000 they want a normal size 6.5Kg for $700. god i wish people would acctually think. they can make every body happy they just dont want to. anyway now that i've turned into Paris from Gilmore Gils. i will leave you guys with this and check back in a couple of days:P take care of your selves Josh xx

Post# 349322 , Reply# 1 5/16/2009 at 03:55 (5,452 days old) by hooverzodiac12 (Melbourne, Australia)
Checkrate/Likes LOL WHAT NOTHING? i dont belong here

Post# 349332 , Reply# 2 5/16/2009 at 05:55 (5,452 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)
Checkrate/Likes *Yes you do....* But I think I have said most things on the other posts....

Post# 349345 , Reply# 3 5/16/2009 at 09:21 (5,452 days old) by shanonabc ()
Checkrate/Likes Well... I dunno... I believe the whole global warming thing is a myth but I like to save water simply to save money... We got the Fisher & Paykel AquaSmart HETL simply because it suited us... As for little water? I don't understand what the issue is... With some of our loads they weren't coming out as clean on HE Mode (Mainly whites) so we touch the HE button to turn it off and the load is fine... I actually think that I have to do more to get the AquaSmart going compared to our old Maytag... The Maytags water temp & level always stayed set compared to the AquaSmart where I can spend up to 30 seconds programming compared to 5-10 seconds to turn and pull...

Post# 349767 , Reply# 4 5/18/2009 at 10:46 (5,450 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Se�ora de Los Angeles de Porci�ncula)
Checkrate/Likes *The problem is...* Before I start my statement, i mant to put very clear that my opinions are based only on the models I know, I used or the models I designed, which are: Frigidaire Affinity (Electrolux Ecoturbo in Brazil) - I have it as my daily driver and I love it. Electrolux front loaders (recently launched in the U.S.) - I've been part of its project during the first years of it. Electrolux Insight (Available in Europe) - It was my project. It can be considered a HE washer according to the american standars. Whirlpool Calypso - I've tested many and many and many times inside the Electrolux's lab. I still can't understand how could they launch that crap. It has many issues that even a 5 years old children would see and say they won't work, won't last or "it's a stupid idea" Whirlpool Cabrio - I've tested it two or three times when the company i work for imported some to Paraguay. Technically it's much better than calypso, but I still don't trust it. (ok, i bought one for my personal use and I'm waiting for it's delivery. facts about HE machines (seen by the the creator of some models): 1) Are they boring to use? YES, THEY ARE! But they are boring for us, machine lovers. We know the difference between machines, we know everything about machines. That's not the market reality. Any manufacturer won't create a model just to satisfy a few consumers. Most of the consumers (i know that after hearing thousands of hours of recordings from the 1-800s, reading thousands of emails and even visiting some consumers. Most of them don't care if the machine has 200 cycles plus options. they just toss everything inside the machine and run the largest cycle because they think if you use the shortest cycle it won't clean or "the wash will be incomplete". HE machines don't clean: Yes, they do, but the same way the housekeeper had to learn new habits when she started using the wringer instead of the wooden bowl and an automatic washer instead of the wringer, now the housekeeper have to "relearn" how to do the laundry. Once it happens, they will start loving HE machines. HE machines don't rinse properly: Some of them have a very poor rinsing, but it's not only the manufacturer's fault. There are stardards that the manufacturers MUST follow, or they will be out of the market. Simple as 1-2-3. All the manufacturers tried to do their best. It was a chaos! We had just a few years to recreate the washing machine technologies. Everything we knew after years of experience was thrown in the trash can. We (designers, mechanical engineers, electronic and electric engineers, fisics and mathmatics experts) had to work exaustively to reduce the impact of these new standards. When they told us we had to create a washing machine that can wash MORE and use less water than an average front loader, the first thing we thought was "This is an stupid idea. It's wonderful to preserve the environment, but this is ridiculous". Detergents: HE x Low suds. Does anyone know any HE detergent? Unfortunately, the major manufacturer in the US doesn't have an HE detergent. Tide HE is a lo suds detergent(in some machines it makes no suds). They removed the suds, but they didn't increase the efficiency. The first thing we can expect from a "high efficiency" detergent is it's efficiency being "higher" than the regular version. The truth is Tide HE is nothing more than Tide regular without the suds. Lucky are who lives in Europe. Their detergents are much better than American or Brazilian detergents. Persil and Skip are the real HE detergents. Try do do a load of heavy duty whites using a dose of Persil or a dose of Skip, in a Frigidaire Affinity. You can easily reduce the temperature, reduce the cycle times by using the "heavy" cycle (and it's "dumb" water temperature created by the standards, not the manufacturers) and the results will be AMAZING! The rinses will be perfect even if you don't select the extra rinse. Are HE machines too expensive? Yes they are. Remember the first LCD TVs? Guess who payed for the research and plant builting/remodeling costs? Do I need to say something else? How much do you think a big manufacturer like ELectrolux or Whirlpool had to spend to follow these stupid new standards? Why Plastic? Do I really need to answer that question? Ok, let's go: Some things work much better if built using modern plastics. They will last more, they will be safer to the user and also, safer to the environment if properly recycled. BUT Unfortunately the market is very tight. (here's the point that i talk about the reason I retired). Why sell a machine that will last 20 years if we can sell four machines that will last for 5 years? The idea sounds stupid if only one does it. but it's a "great" (great?!?!?) idea if all the manufacturers do the same. Build a machine like a vintage Lady Kenmore or like a Bendix or like a pre-WCI Frigidaire would be so costly that the machine would cost more than U$6000. AND, impossible to follow the standards. This statement also explain something I said in other thread: "I love my Frigidaire Affinity after I learned how to use it correctly" I can easily get excellent results with it using the proper cycles for each garment, just because now I use a detergent that really cleans and always give me a clear rinse. According to the standards, Tide HE is considered a HE detergent. The only thing is: IT COULD BE BETTER, MUCH BETTER! By the way, We still lucky because at least the premium models are made of metal (and a plastic panel). In a few years, machines will look like a Tupperware. Maybe (if we were lucky) they will still use metal screws. In less than 15 years, the only metal that we'll be able see and touch on washing machines will be the plug's prongs.