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Thread Number: 22347
How to Hot Rod your Maytag in 4 easy steps... |
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Post# 349906 5/18/2009 at 21:25 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz  (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Post# 349907 , Reply# 1 5/18/2009 at 21:26 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Post# 349908 , Reply# 2 5/18/2009 at 21:27 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Post# 349909 , Reply# 3 5/18/2009 at 21:27 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Post# 349910 , Reply# 4 5/18/2009 at 21:28 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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| Post# 349911 , Reply# 5 5/18/2009 at 21:28 (5,448 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
how many R.P.M.s??? | ||
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Post# 349912 , Reply# 6 5/18/2009 at 21:30 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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| Post# 349913 , Reply# 7 5/18/2009 at 21:31 (5,448 days old) by toggleswitch2 () | ||
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50hz pulley + 60hz motor = VROOM VROOM! | ||
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Post# 349916 , Reply# 8 5/18/2009 at 21:33 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Post# 349917 , Reply# 9 5/18/2009 at 21:35 (5,448 days old) by jetaction (Minneapolis) |
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Agitator is wrong..... | ||
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Post# 349918 , Reply# 10 5/18/2009 at 21:38 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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| Post# 349919 , Reply# 11 5/18/2009 at 21:39 (5,448 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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| Post# 349920 , Reply# 12 5/18/2009 at 21:42 (5,448 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 349923 , Reply# 13 5/18/2009 at 21:46 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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| Post# 349925 , Reply# 14 5/18/2009 at 21:47 (5,448 days old) by toggleswitch2 () | ||
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...or just rhe top and control panel are married to a new set of guts, cabinet and frame. | ||
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Post# 349926 , Reply# 15 5/18/2009 at 21:47 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Post# 349928 , Reply# 16 5/18/2009 at 21:49 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Unfortunately the tub and insides were just not up to snuff. On top of it all, the machine fell down a flight of stairs a week after the photo below was taken. The machine was alright but the outer cabinet was pretty dented along the top rail support. At that point I knew it was going to be something good, someday. 
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| Post# 349929 , Reply# 17 5/18/2009 at 21:50 (5,448 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 349930 , Reply# 18 5/18/2009 at 21:51 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Post# 349933 , Reply# 19 5/18/2009 at 21:55 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Post# 349935 , Reply# 20 5/18/2009 at 22:03 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Unfortunately I didn't take any photos of the A700, but it was nasty. In order to make this work I had to take the water valve bracket and mount it to the base of the A806 - simple enough. All the holes line up on the base to screw the original A700 cabinet to the A806 base. I used the original A700 wiring on the A806 motor with no issues. You can see in this photo the the tub top sits lower than the original A700. I might pull it up a bit when I fix a water leak at the valve. Other than that, it was easy to make the Super Tag! I shot a video and posted it on YouTube to show the different speeds for agitaton and spin. I'm sure I'll get crap for the surprise at the end, but I really feel that the Load Sensor agitator, coupled with the fast/long stroke really is effective at washing and reducing wear on the transmission. I have a few plans in the future for the machine. Install a later style tub with the filters in the base, and possibly install a 3 phase motor and VFD to control the motor via a PC controller. Will be fun! A word of caution for those who want to complete the 50hz conversion. Make sure that your Maytag is 100 percent tuned up. Motor carriage needs to be perfect, the damper needs to be perfect, and clean those pulleys! It took a few loads for the bearings to accept the new speed, and the transmission is more forgiving than I imagined. But, make sure that you are prepared for something to break, i.e. bearings going bad. Enjoy! Ben CLICK HERE TO GO TO swestoyz's LINK 
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Post# 349936 , Reply# 21 5/18/2009 at 22:06 (5,448 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Stainless Steel Tub? | ||
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Post# 349939 , Reply# 22 5/18/2009 at 22:07 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Post# 349940 , Reply# 23 5/18/2009 at 22:10 (5,448 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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I'll keep my eye out for you then.... | ||
| Post# 349949 , Reply# 24 5/18/2009 at 22:37 (5,448 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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| Post# 349951 , Reply# 25 5/18/2009 at 22:38 (5,448 days old) by mayguy (Minnesota) | ||
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I've asked this before, and no one told me how the bleach thing suppose to work.. I've never seen such thing before. | ||
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Post# 349956 , Reply# 26 5/18/2009 at 22:53 (5,448 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Post# 350063 , Reply# 28 5/19/2009 at 03:14 (5,447 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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may not be factory...but it is ALL maytag parts...just done our way....Idid the same pulley conversion on my stacked set...only exception is that it has the smaller tub...and sometimes the tub does index a little depending on what I'm washing...but man, can it move clothes! and spins them out really dry... on the old pulley...I would set it to final spin for 8 min. just to see how much more water I could extract...for towels I would get about 4 cups of water...jeans and darks about 1 to 2 cups....with the new pulley, just about 3/4 cup for towels and very little for darks...so it was really worth it for me to TURBO mine...considering DRYING time...4 cups is a lot of water left in clothes...even after I re-lubed the motor and sliders and new belts, because I thought that was the cause but the 50hz seems to fix the problem... have any of you guys re-spun a load to see how much water comes out? put the hose into a big measuring cup...just to see...I'm curious other than that...a very nice conversion/upgrade Ben! thanks for the pics and videos | ||
| Post# 350089 , Reply# 29 5/19/2009 at 07:53 (5,447 days old) by supremewhirlpol () | ||
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Oh!! Someone said 3 phase. Now you've got my attention! | ||
| Post# 350090 , Reply# 30 5/19/2009 at 07:54 (5,447 days old) by supremewhirlpol () | ||
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I may actually be able to help a little on this one. | ||
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Post# 350170 , Reply# 31 5/19/2009 at 15:47 (5,447 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Oh!! Someone said 3 phase
This project will be quite a ways down the road - but something I'd like to look into. For those who may not know about different types of motors - 3 phase motors require a special type of wiring that normally is not accessible for residential use. There are variable controllers out there that trick the motors into thinking they have 3 phase power while working off of normal single phase. Most modern front load washers work off of this principle. For now, I'll take the current combination - just love the Load Sensor agitator with the 50hz pulley!
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Post# 350173 , Reply# 32 5/19/2009 at 15:56 (5,447 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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| Post# 350195 , Reply# 34 5/19/2009 at 19:01 (5,447 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Is there a way to stop the indexing or, reduce it?
Install a new brake package. Chances are, you're still on the original brake package, but unless you watch the wash cycle (I've seen Maytag tubs index during the wash cycle for YEARS without the owner knowing or caring) or there's a significantly higher load put upon it, you won't recognize the problem. | ||
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Post# 350207 , Reply# 35 5/19/2009 at 20:16 (5,447 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Install a new brake package.
My hunch says that a new brake package may not resolve the issue 100 percent. The forces of faster stroke are much greater than what the brake package was originally designed for. Of the different Maytag's I've seen with the 50hz pulley - they all have indexed a little with the Power-Fin agitator. I can imagine what it would be like on an original bakelike agitator! Ben | ||
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Post# 350208 , Reply# 36 5/19/2009 at 20:19 (5,447 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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My hunch...? | ||
| Post# 350232 , Reply# 37 5/19/2009 at 21:41 (5,447 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
This project will be quite a ways down the road  | ||
| Post# 350233 , Reply# 38 5/19/2009 at 21:48 (5,447 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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What I have to decide is if the bearings on the dependable c | ||
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Post# 350295 , Reply# 40 5/20/2009 at 07:27 (5,446 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Indexing...
like they said...I didn't notice mine indexing until I had the front off BEFORE the conversion and saw the tranny move a little with each stroke of the agitator....but this did not happen all the time...repairman said my brakes were slipping a bit here and there...someday may have to replace, after all it is 20 years old...but with the new conversion it only does it with a heavy load like towels...doesn't seem to affect performance...but time will tell...if it kills my bearings, I'll be calling you guys ...HELP!.....but I still would not go back to the regular pulley...it may increase wear a little bit, but its not like the increase is 50% or more...like if my agitation went from 63STM to like 93STM, that would be a hard strain on bearing and tranny...but like they said earlier, if they thought this was too hard on the machine, maytag would have never used them... I once had a SQ solid tub reversing motor style that actually had a brake system...and during wash it wanted to index like the solenoid version but the brake held the tub still and it would squeek annoyingly..so I used WD40 every now and then to let it slip and stop the noise... now would there be and upgrade for a Whirlpool also?....the only reason I got rid of mine in favor of the DD was that the agitation stroke didn't seem fast enough...but I noticed it picked up when I installed a new belt, and then as the belt got worn in, it got a little slower...I always wondered if I could have gotten a larger motor pulley...I gonna have to get a used Whirly and try it for the hell of it... | ||
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Post# 350303 , Reply# 41 5/20/2009 at 07:49 (5,446 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Just to clarify about the 50hz pulleys. All export machines that have the 50hz pulley and 50hz motor would spin at 618 RPM, and agitate at 63 OPM. They had to increase the size of the pulley due to the fractionally slower speeds of the motors running at 50hz. There would have been no design difference for the machines when it comes to the transmission and brake - standard fare domestic parts. Ben | ||
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Post# 350308 , Reply# 42 5/20/2009 at 08:09 (5,446 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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so actually the upgrade is just to bring the machine up to normal speed for the lower power...I understand that...but always thought these machines needed a kick for a little more boost...even the belt drive kenmore/whirlpool could use a little more...the only conversion i could do for that was in a direct drive using the kitchen aide LARGE agitator...even on the gentle speed would move clothes nicely...and on heavy duty you got some serious scrubbing...yet this larger base unit was not available in kenmore or whirlpool...wonder why? but thats OK...we know how to do it our way...odd some people think, it just a washing machine by any other name their all the same...but model to model and agitators alike they all don't perform the same....I've seen some agitators move like crazy and the clothes stay still...all the more reason for the machine to have a glass lid or operate with the lid open...you need to see whats happening inside... | ||
| Post# 350329 , Reply# 43 5/20/2009 at 09:19 (5,446 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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BEFORE the conversion and saw the tranny move... So a brand new brake package with new ball bearings (radial and brake rotor) will make a difference. May not completely stop the indexing but, at least there will be normal movement. | ||
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Post# 350363 , Reply# 44 5/20/2009 at 12:17 (5,446 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Scrubflex
yeah, i think so....but i'll wait until it gets bad...this machine i got for my mother to keep one the same level as her...no steps...whats the most she would wash maybe 2 loads a week...this should last her quite while...now if it was under heavy duty use, i might need serviced sooner... but i definately like the upgrade, she has a DC set in the basement...i don't that set could handle the upgrade. | ||
| Post# 350419 , Reply# 45 5/20/2009 at 19:33 (5,446 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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but time will tell...if it kills my bearings... Is there any way the bearings could be replaced with more durable and sturdy ones? Just a thought. | ||
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Post# 350426 , Reply# 46 5/20/2009 at 20:29 (5,446 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Scrubflex
there maybe heavier dutybearing than just the originals.... when I ordered the parts for the upgrade, my supply house showed me what the had in stock as a pump upgrade...it was just a new pulley for the motor where the slot for the pump belt was the same size as the main drive belt, and of coarse a larger belt....this was for washers that were in basements and had to pump higher to the drain...again, didn't know that existed unil I inquired about getting the 50hz parts...but I would still use my original pump... did you also realize the 50hz upgrade makes it pump out faster?...I didn't think to time it with the original and mind you I have the smaller tub, but it empties in 45 seconds...what caught my eye is that I have to now fasten the drain hose to the sink because it wants to jump out of the laundry tub kinda like a rocket blasting water...thats powerful...was wondering about the pump bearings spinning too fast also, but considering the pump upgrade available, it should handle it... these machines are really built solid, so I would be suprised if the bearings would fail... I never use to like maytags...the repairmen I have spoken to have always said these machines last so long because under any strain of a load, the motor would slide in, and give in to any strain of working hard rather than kick in and handle the load...like a speed queen would churn a load no matter how heavy...I wasn't able to see many tags at work, but went with their opinion, they should know, my opinion was never talk to a salesman but talk to the repair guys, they know what lasts and works...also sinceI can tweek a few of these machines...they seem to be great performers...3 of my sets are maytags...go figure! | ||
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Post# 350474 , Reply# 48 5/21/2009 at 00:02 (5,446 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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How about the 'Power Flex 12' agitator? | ||
| Post# 350475 , Reply# 49 5/21/2009 at 00:11 (5,446 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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stainless steel... Mayfan69, how big is the SS tub in your Wilkins Servis washer? I see there's only 9/8 rows of holes in the tub, but that's the same amount in Maytag's standard size tubs. It also uses the large size Power-Fin 8 agitator. What's the deal? | ||
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Post# 350494 , Reply# 50 5/21/2009 at 01:50 (5,445 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Size of SS Bowl
I'm not sure where you were counting from Harry, but i just checked and there are 18 rows of holes in the Wilkins Servis bowl. The bowl is the same size as the deeper extra large white porcelain tubs of the Maytags. Keep in mind the stainless steel bowl was unique to Wilkins Servis and Australia, but would fit in a Maytag as they use the same components. Cheers Leon | ||
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Post# 350517 , Reply# 51 5/21/2009 at 06:14 (5,445 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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The very first spin
the motor shut down...overheated...but my error was I had put three springs on the motor mount...ok for the regular pulleys but not for this one...motor cooled down, took one spring off, and it has worked fine ever since... but a 1/2hp motor would be a nice option...a little extra kick in horse power for torque...may have to look into that next...I'll ask the next time I visit the parts shop... odd for me is that my machine being a TOL digital and is only a single speed motor...:-) | ||
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Post# 350560 , Reply# 53 5/21/2009 at 09:53 (5,445 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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How do you think the 'Power Flex 12' agitator would | ||
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Post# 350571 , Reply# 54 5/21/2009 at 10:18 (5,445 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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dag gone it....now you guys got me thinking about more upgrades...sad part is that i have all these agitators for the large capacities....and mine is the smaller one...so I have to stick with the blue power fin...i have installed the 12 vane and the load sensor on in to test and they work great but i would have to leave the softner off...too tall....just my luck...but if my bearings give out, I might upgrade again to the larger tub chassis...but this stacked set was designed with the smaller tub to match the dryer...we'll see
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Post# 350581 , Reply# 55 5/21/2009 at 10:47 (5,445 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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LSE1000
asked at the part store...because of it being stacked 1000 model unit it only comes as a one speed.... the regular stand alone digital washers are 2 speed....not that I ever use the lower speed anyway...but with the faster agitation it would be nice on small water levels...you can't leave the lid open during this...you're soaked...but great for scrubbing greasy work clothes! | ||
| Post# 350831 , Reply# 57 5/22/2009 at 18:24 (5,444 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
*applause* | ||
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Post# 350848 , Reply# 58 5/22/2009 at 20:11 (5,444 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Roto24
that agitator is for the norge built maytags...this should have a bolt down thru the middle...on a helical or orbital drive, the agitator has a small screw on the side that holds it in place...this is what I was told...because I wanted one of these for my orbital DC washer and they told me it would not fit...the first maytag i ever owned was a helical drive with the power flex with the lint filter built in and I wanted a load sensor one for it..they wouldn't sell it to me cause my machine did not have the self cleaning filter...so i went online and got one...like those self cleaning screens actually work....
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| Post# 350925 , Reply# 59 5/23/2009 at 04:14 (5,443 days old) by harold (Madison, WI) | ||
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Agitator What is the part # for the Maytag cork screw agitator? And where did you order your belts and your pulley from? Oh yes, will this work in my Maytag # LAT9635AAE ? | ||
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Post# 350953 , Reply# 60 5/23/2009 at 08:14 (5,443 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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I got mine from Partstore.com all depends on which DRIVE system you have as to which one you need...helical and orbital's use the same agitator...norge dual drive takes a larger base version with a bolt down thru the center hint: the softner dispenser is ordered seperately...does not come with it...there are 3 designs, all fit, i prefered the larger opening one | ||
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Post# 351099 , Reply# 62 5/23/2009 at 21:30 (5,443 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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I'll bet there is a stronger spring....hae you ever been in a laundromat with maytags?...when these puppies "brake" from the spin..they screech LOUDLY (like nails across a blackboard)...that has got to be one powerful spring to stop that tub that fast...just for safety in a laundry...but for the home version a lesser spring is used and takes a few seconds longer to stop....but do you want that sound in your house? until that tub is badly indexing with the agitator...i don't think i would be too concerned yet...can't be doing that much damage, cause the orbital drive indexes also, from factory, with no 50hz upgrade, and the same motor speed as the helical drive, under normal conditions....I'm sure the upgrade may make the brake slip a little more, I really think these machines in particular are built better than they have to be...especially the helical drives...test and time proven...like I said earlier...mine is 20 years old...hundreds of loads...has to be some weakness in the brake...but I am curious about replacing new bearings and brakes, if it would still index...if not, then problem solved, if it does, then money wasted and just a side effect of the upgrade...once this occurs, we'll have to put the money out and see the results, right now if it ain't broke, don't fix it.... where did you get one of those manuals anyway...i'm gonna have to get one now that i have a few maytags... | ||
| Post# 351134 , Reply# 63 5/23/2009 at 22:48 (5,443 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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"I'll bet there is a stronger spring....have you ever been in a laundromat with maytags?...when these puppies "brake" from the spin..they screech LOUDLY (like nails across a blackboard)...that has got to be one powerful spring to stop that tub that fast...just for safety in a laundry...but for the home version a lesser spring is used and takes a few seconds longer to stop....but do you want that sound in your house?" This was the point I was trying to make earlier. We're trying to hot rod our Maytags with 20+ year old brake packages. The amount of brake material isn't causing the index problem, it's the weakened spring. The brake in my a612 braked just fine from a spin and never made a peep in 23 years (never oiled in all of those years either), but the tub started to index during the wash. I stole the brake package out of my 806 that's currently torn down (praying to the Maytag Gods that RevinKevin found a timed bleach outer tub!!). Maytags used the exact same brake package for both home and laundromat use. The reason why they screech is due to a lack of oil. Maytag uses a "wet" braking system....one of the reasons why they last for many trouble free years. A teaspoon of Maytag transmission oil will quiet the nosiest brake package. | ||
| Post# 351135 , Reply# 64 5/23/2009 at 22:51 (5,443 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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Hey Yogi, thanks. When I install the 50hz pulley set I don't want the indexing to become an eye sore. I love to watch the washing and spinning. And, I got the manual off eBay. The maytag/norge has the fastest and best brakes in the business. Check out the video '2006 maytag washing machine' from youtube. | ||
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Post# 351185 , Reply# 66 5/24/2009 at 08:23 (5,442 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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YES..thanks to all you guys for your input
I'm no professional repairman myself...just learn as I go along..use to work parttime with a maytag repairman who had his own shop...he used to hate the way I would alter machines...but I was always curious if certain modifications could be done and interchangable parts...read books on appliance repair...and watched every repairman closely when they came to the house and asked many questions...I know, pain in the ass, but isn't that why he's here (blink blink), thants why we pay him so much, to teach us what we don't know, and I made a few errors along the way, but I love to tinker with them....even when I got my first brand new set I had to open it up to see inside...
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