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Post# 69059   6/2/2005 at 17:17 (6,874 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Have recently become the owner of a Hoover twinnie (see my post "Finally A Full Fledged Member), and am having a problem (surprise).


Trying to have the washer automatically drain is proving a problem. Set both knobs to "drain", and closed the extractor lid. While the extractor makes tons of noise (a quiet unit this is NOT), the basket does not turn, nor does the water drain.

Earlier checked the belts and all seemed fine, did I miss something?

Launderess





Post# 69061 , Reply# 1   6/2/2005 at 17:45 (6,874 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Congratulations on the purchase! Perhaps you should ask the experts. Although it's a British group, I'm sure they can help you out. I'm wondering if the setting you are using is the right one. I think that is the one for emptying the wash tub, not sure if it is the same one for spinning.

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Post# 69062 , Reply# 2   6/2/2005 at 18:12 (6,874 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Thank you, Louis

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Have solved the spinning problem(spinner's belt had slipped). After putting it back unit spins up to speed great, however now I have much more serious problem!

It appears the pump is leaking, though cannot be certian if the entire pump is bad or just parts.

The rubbery part just below the latch where the wire that opens and closes the pump is breaking down and quite wet. Also there is water around the lower third of the pump, but cannot tell if the two are related. Finall the metal which the pump sits on has quite a bit of rust.

Only used once indeed!

Launderess


Post# 69070 , Reply# 3   6/2/2005 at 20:51 (6,874 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Ok, Think I need a new pump

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Drat!

No matter what I do, water will not pump out of the washer or spin tub. The extractor spins items dry but the water does not come out of the washer. Well at least not through the hose, but as we speak can watch the water leaking through the lower third of the pump. Once the water has finished, will dry things off and put the back of the unit on again.

Now where on earth am I going to find a spare pump?

Ideas?

Launderess


Post# 69086 , Reply# 4   6/2/2005 at 23:49 (6,874 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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You might have to retrofit a pump from a modern top loading washer, such as the plastic GE style pump.

Post# 69100 , Reply# 5   6/3/2005 at 02:08 (6,874 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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You might still be able to find a pump for this from the UK - yahoo group as Louis suggested. I know others have found vintage Hoover parts that way.

Post# 69102 , Reply# 6   6/3/2005 at 02:43 (6,874 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
pump

Since that machine was sold here, there's got to be a pump for it SOMEWHERE in this country. Has Hoover totaly wahsed their hands of al parts for this? And even if they have, possible they may stil have parts numbers, diagrams, and such so you have a knowledge base to go lokking at parts places with.

Post# 69105 , Reply# 7   6/3/2005 at 04:01 (6,874 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Ganksy,

Yes, I'm trying to find a new pump in the UK. Word seems to be on the Twin Tub groups to avoid the copies as they are not great. So must find a new one that will fit my machine. The problem is matching the models between the UK units and mine. Hopefully Hoover used the same pump on basically all it's twinnes.

Kenmore

IIRC Hoover stopped making these units in the 1970's long before they became part of Maytag. Will contact them tomorrow, but highly doubt they will have anything on twinnes. While it is possible someone out there has new/old stock or salvaged pumps, how does one find that person? *LOL*


Launderess


Post# 69127 , Reply# 8   6/3/2005 at 09:11 (6,873 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

Hi Launderess

I am happy to get a pump for you and post it, as long as we can identify which pump you have. Are you able to tkae a digital photo or scan a photo into your computer and post it?

It seems to me from previous pics that the USA models are more similar to the Australian models than the UK models. The machines all started out the same but evolved differently, the UK kept developing theirs whereas the Australian versions stopped evolving in the early 1980s and continued till the 1990s with only trim changes. I have a couple of dead Hoover twin tubs with pumps I believe to be OK (I can check in the next few days) which you can have for nothing.

There are three types of pumps - the earliest were only used to the early sixties so I'll assume yours isn't one of those. They had two pumps - one for wash and one for spin.

The second type and third type are similar and use some shared components but have a very different top half. (bottom half whwn you have the machine upside down for service.) they both have the same impeller and base. the cover on the earlier type incorporates a pair of valves to select whether wash water or spin water is pumped. You turn a knob on the top which turns a wire which turns the shaft in the pump cover. inside the cover is a spring which when turned one way opens the spin port of the pump, turn the other way opens the wash port on the pump. Only one port is ever open at a time. these pumps are a little more complicated and less reliable.
The later version is simpler and more reliable. The pump cover incorporates two inlets, an outlet and a plastic extension which holds a rubber pinch valve assembly. Unlike the earlier pump, the spin hose is always open to the pump, only the wash hose is connected via a valve - the rubber pinch valve. When you turn the knob on the control panel, the wire inside turns a lever on the pinch valve, turned one way the flat rubber hose is pinched tight between two steel pins that look like two inch nails. (when they rust out you replace them with real two inch nails...) Turn the knob the other way and the pins snap apart, opening the rubber hose and letting wash water through to the pump. This later pump does not ever block the hose to the spinner, this means the spinner is less likely to get overloaded by a silly user trying to empty the wash tub when the spinner is still full of water. However it also means ths suction of the pump to the wash tub is weaker, so it tends to empty the wash tub slower.

Anyway ... hopefully from the above waffle you can identify which pump your machine has. I will look at my machines and see which pumps I have and if they are OK. The earlier two-valve types are rare here, but I have an inkling that one of my dead ones has that type. Lets see if we can match.

If you don't have access to a digital camera, can you take some "real" photos and scan them in? I'd really like to see the innards of your machine, especially the pump and the pump mounting bracket, and the castors.

These machines are VERY common here so as long as the models are compatible we can get you back on the road.

Impeller noise - is this a vibration of the impeller when the spinner is going and the wash tub is empty? This is pretty normal - caused by slight wear in impeler shaft and bearing, but doesn't need to be fixed. Hoover twinnies create a symphony of buzzes, creaks, rattles, whines, screams and other noises, different with every load.

chris.


Post# 69129 , Reply# 9   6/3/2005 at 09:31 (6,873 days old) by westytoploader ()        

The second type appears to be similar to the Maytag diverter valve which used a rubber disc connected to a cable. When the knob was turned to shift drain ports, the disk would either seal off the wash drain or spin drain port; according to the Maytag service manual the cable tension had to be adjusted properly or else it wouldn't seal. I had this problem with my machine but didn't know it at the time...

Post# 69143 , Reply# 10   6/3/2005 at 13:16 (6,873 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Thanks Gang For All Your Support

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Near as I can figure out through research (reading posts on both twin tub Yahoo forums until the wee hours of the morning), Hoover twinnies used a standard pump from about 1970's onward. The part number is 160121.

My Hoover 0510 was a popular washer according to a repair service I contacted about parts,(he is checking is stock to see what/if he has anything). My washer is similar to the UK twinnie 3310E by Hoover. Again all this was from the twinne forums,not sure how accurate the last bit may be.

Will see about taking some snaps; have stashed the unit in a corner and gone about my business (the work which was not done yesterday due to my "Hoovermania".

Again thanks for all the suggestions, and Chris, the offer of parts.

Launderess


Post# 69144 , Reply# 11   6/3/2005 at 13:22 (6,873 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Pic of Pump?

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Here is a link to someone selling "pattern spare" Hoover twinnie pumps. Contacted him yesterday and received a response this morning saying he was not sure if the pump would fit my unit. Common talk on the Yahoo twinne forums says it would, but many are against using spares of this type as they can be unreliable.




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Post# 69149 , Reply# 12   6/3/2005 at 15:49 (6,873 days old) by fixerman ()        

Could it be less reliable than the one you have now?

Post# 69150 , Reply# 13   6/3/2005 at 15:50 (6,873 days old) by Spiraclean (UK)        

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Hi Laundress,
I live in he UK and the item you linked to on eBay is the norm for UK Hoovermatic Twin Tubs and should be readily availabe. You could try this link.
Best Regards
Hugh


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Post# 69181 , Reply# 14   6/4/2005 at 03:47 (6,873 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Who Actually Built Hoover Twin Tubs In the US

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In my search for domestic spare parts for the Hoover,spoke with an appliance parts/repair store that said something interesting. The woman I spoke with who remembered twin tubs well (Maytag, Hoover, Penncrest, etc)stated that the Hoover twin tubs were made by Maytag. Not to doubt her word, asked was she sure, and she stated this again clearly. Went on to suggest I contact Maytag's "obsolete parts" department to see if I could track down spares there.

Maytag was of no help since they do not have Hoover washer model/part numbers. This makes since as Hoover long stopped making twin tubs before being purchased by Maytag. Still, it would be interesting to find out if this is true. While I know Maytag had their own twin tub, wonder if any of the parts are interchangable with Hoover's?

Launderess


Post# 69183 , Reply# 15   6/4/2005 at 07:06 (6,872 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

I do have one of each type of pump.

Launderess, is the pump in the photo you posted the same as yours?

I have one of that type of pump, the plastic is off-white not black but otherwise the same. I will check out its condition soon. The hoses are shot but from memory the pump is OK. I will temporarily tape up the hoses so I can check the pump for leaks.


chris.



Post# 69238 , Reply# 16   6/4/2005 at 21:06 (6,872 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
A Day With the Hoover

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Chris,

Near as I can tell, yes the pump in my washer is the same as in the photo link posted above.

Spent the better part of the late afternoonn taking some snaps of the Hoover (aka, "how did I get into this mess",with the old trusty 35mm camera. Will have them developed tomorrow and see if they are in a fit state to post.

Have heard back from one UK dealer who is willing to ship parts across the pond, so probably will order a few things like a pump impeller, belts,hoses etc that fit my washer's UK cousin the 3310E.

Meanwhile, when taking pictures of the pump area, noticed bits of white "stuff" around the base. Looks quite like undissloved detergent. Since I left the washer in "drain open" position to allow water left inside the tub/pump to drain out, wonder if that is what it is.

L.




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