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Post# 358723   6/22/2009 at 11:20 (5,393 days old) by camillemomma ()        

I currently have a Whirlpool WTW5200VQ and it is so LOUD, the baby can't sleep. I can't take it anymore, even though it washes the clothes well, and spins well. It is only loud during the wash cycle when agitating. But, it even disturbs me clear downstairs.

I am looking at returning it since I have only had it a few days, and trading up for the Maytag MVWC700VW. It says it has the Quiet Wash 200.

Would this one be any quieter than the one I currently have?

And is the Maytag heavy duty enough to last a long time? I have two messy children, a 1 yr. old, and 4 yr. old.

I need to get a good washer ASAP. Please help.


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Post# 358724 , Reply# 1   6/22/2009 at 11:23 (5,393 days old) by camillemomma ()        

I forgot to mention that I used to have a Whirlpool Ultimate Care washer that wasn't loud like my current Whirlpool. The Whirlpool Ultimate Care lasted for 12 years before the engine burned out. I am so sad that my good quiet washer is gone.

Post# 358736 , Reply# 2   6/22/2009 at 12:26 (5,393 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
Front loaders

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If you're looking for a quiet washer,get a front loading one. No transmission,no agitation,verry quiet.

Post# 358737 , Reply# 3   6/22/2009 at 12:33 (5,393 days old) by hotpointwf220 ()        
check out some electrolux wave touch washing machines

There is a video by gemini of the whirlpool wavetouch washing machine which is very quiet
plus being electrolux, they will be well made and spins upto 1350 rpm i wouldnt recommend mine if u was in uk thouch lol

Click on the link below to see it in action.


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Post# 358740 , Reply# 4   6/22/2009 at 13:06 (5,393 days old) by hotpointwf220 ()        

the washer in all colors and specs

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Post# 358741 , Reply# 5   6/22/2009 at 13:59 (5,393 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

It's too bad about the motor in your old Whirlpool Ultimate. However, these old direct drive machines are very common and the parts are very easy to swap out, especially the motor and pump. I would recommend that you get your money back out of the Maytag, then search Craigs List for a good, used direct drive machine like the one you had before. Then, learn how to work on it. They are NOT hard to fix. Two snaps and a couple screws, and viola; new motor!

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 358792 , Reply# 6   6/22/2009 at 18:12 (5,393 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I would go with the Speed Queen Top Loader....but for best capacity and silence is the Front Loader....

Post# 358830 , Reply# 7   6/22/2009 at 22:48 (5,392 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
Electrolux front loader, of course!

And as you have a baby, you also need a proper cleaning, a proper sanitization, a proper rinsing (WITH WATER) and a good extraction to dry the clothes much faster (and also save energy)

My sugestion is the same Electrolux mentioned above. it's huge, it's dependable, it cleans like no other, it has the best HE rinsing, and the spin is amazing (you'll see the clothes almost dry after the spin)

Also, the noise is great. You can't hear almost anything during the wash, even if you're in front of the machine and the spin noise is very accurate. you can hear the acceleration like a jet engine. i'm sure it won't wake your baby unless he/she's sleeping on the machine.


You can also turn on the drum lights and let the baby watch the cycles. it can be very entertaining for a baby and in a few years your baby can become a member of this community.


Post# 358836 , Reply# 8   6/23/2009 at 00:11 (5,392 days old) by toploader1984 ()        

front loaders are NOT quiet in the spin cycle, it is going to be walking and vibrating all across the floor, although speed queen makes a very goo machine, go with a speed queen top loader, u WONT regret it! most front loaders today are only lasting an avarage of NO MORE than 5-7 years.... u will be sorry. i spent 2 grand on a new front loader, and just sold it 2 years later, i couldnt stand it.

Post# 358844 , Reply# 9   6/23/2009 at 00:51 (5,392 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

I watched that Electrolux operational video. It seems the clothing took forever to get the least bit wet and some of the things in the middle didn't appear to be wet at all.
Also it looked that that machine was slightly overloaded. There was only about 40% compression of the clothing from being wet. If there was more water in the machine, I believe the clothes would have compressed even more.

Give me a Wascomat front loader where the water comes 1/3 of the way up the window any day!


Post# 358846 , Reply# 10   6/23/2009 at 01:00 (5,392 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

I'm the type of person who tries to learn from the mistakes of others. This is so because I have very little money to spare. So with that, I would heed the advice of Toploader1984 and yogitunes if you're not very mechanically inclined. The buttons, gadgets, gimmics, wazoos, and ding dongs won't mean bo-diddly squat if you lose a control board. Bearings are also very expensive to replace if they go out.

And to top it off: The kid is going to get mighty bored of watching a front-loader after the age of 18 months anyway. He'll thank you later when buy him a few toys with the money you save. Who knows, maybe he'll even like the Speed Queen enough to help you do the laundry!

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 358913 , Reply# 11   6/23/2009 at 09:16 (5,392 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

"front loaders are NOT quiet in the spin cycle, it is going to be walking and vibrating all across the floor"


It may sometimes happen with the standard euro size front loaders, never with these american Electrolux front loaders or even with it's older cousin, the frigidaire affinity

Those are designed to NEVER spin unbalanced because everybody knows it's much beter to have a machine that gives up and finish the cycle without spinning in case of extremely unbalanced loads than have a monster machine like that jumping and breaking the floor tiles. Can you imagine the damage it would cause if it jumps on your foot? The relation between it's footprint, it's weight, drum positioning and acceleration ramps are also calculated to reduce the impact on the suspension and the supension dissipates the remaining vibrations before it reaches the floor.
Even if the load gets suddenly unbalanced during the spin, it will detect it instantly, stop almost instantly (if they didn't change this part of the project, this machine can use the motor as a break) and rebalance the load before it reaches the higher and most dangerous speeds.

You can let a glass full of water on the machine and you won't see even a single drop jumping out of it.



Post# 358930 , Reply# 12   6/23/2009 at 10:07 (5,392 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Buying that or any Maytag will be like replacing your Whirlpool, for it is a Whirlpool underneath that sheet metal.

I would recommend a front loader now more than ever because you can do more of a wash in one load than doing 4 in a top loader.
The wash cycle maybe longer by 1/2 hour or more but you can save in water usage if you have to pay for it, detergent and saving in drying the load because of the faster spin speeds.
The spin cycle is not that bad as long as the load is balance.
The pump is a little loud but it beats the knocking of the agitator that is in your Whirlpool.
I own a Direct Drive Kenmore and it is not that loud to me, but I'm used to it.

To reduce the noise of any front loader, it must be level from front to back and side to side on concrete flooring if possible!
The load must be mixed with light and heavy items together and hope for the best when it spins.


Post# 359192 , Reply# 13   6/24/2009 at 08:26 (5,391 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Sonds like you have a bad tranie, easy to fix, if you go with a front loader make sure it is a Speed Queen. They are fantastic. matt

Post# 359226 , Reply# 14   6/24/2009 at 12:31 (5,391 days old) by davek ()        

There is a lot of push on this site for people who just sound like regular people to buy Speed Queen, which is a difficult brand to find. It's probably also difficult for many people to get local warranty service for them. They are also quite expensive. They may last longer overall, but some of these little problems are the kind that make people unhappy with their purchase and make them unlikely to buy or recommend that brand.

Front-loaders are apparently dreamy for a while, and prone to replacement-type problems in about 5 years or less. They're expensive, too. This is an amped-up version of the problems above, and many buyers are already or will soon be furious over that type of thing.

That's why a direct-drive Whirlpool built (Kenmore, Estate, Roper, Admiral, Inglis, Maytag, and Amana) machine is best for most non-hobbyists to own. They're cheap, reliable, easy to have serviced, and common parts would be available locally anywhere for same-day repairs. Even when it does go down, many parts are cheap and local repairmen can have one going again in an hour from most any problem. This is why they continue to sell so well. People are happy with the overall ownership experience. That's why it's what I'd recommend to most anyone who asked me what kind to buy. Many people buy the appliances as matched sets, and the Whirlpool dryer is similarly simple and reliable.

I don't always recommend that someone buy my favorite brand. There are other factors besides mine that would determine how happy someone was with their purchase. For most people, a DD Whirlpool covers those bases.


Post# 359233 , Reply# 15   6/24/2009 at 13:05 (5,391 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

I understand that many, many, many people will have the opinion that a DD WP made machine will do just fine. It's a fine opinion to have. It's what most people are used to, and things people are used to seem fine to them. Far be it from me to push people away from their comfort zone if that's where they want to be.

The problem starts when things change. Do you have any idea how many dollars in clothes you have inside those machines? A full load of laundry can easily cost 300-400 bucks, and I'm talking about shirts, t-shirts and jeans that you get at places like Target only, nothing from department stores or even designer stuff. People are used to clothes lasting only 52 washes, as a matter of fact, by federal law in US, clothes have to have a "permanent label" specifying fiber contents and one safe way to clean the garment -- a label that has lasted 52 washes is permanent enough for them. My clothes started lasting much longer after I went with front loaders -- to the tune of hundreds of washes, I have stuff that still looks new that is 10 years old. To the point that my parents see me wearing t-shirts they gave me 3, or 5 or 10 years ago and they say "Oh, jeez, do you still have that?" because they're so used to clothes only lasting a year or two in their household.

So, even if a frontloader is more expensive to buy, I don't care. If it breaks down completely in 5 years (and they haven't), I'll replace it and still come out ahead, because I'm running fewer cycles (they wash bigger loads), I'm using less energy (they use less water in the wash cycle) and I'm saving energy in the dryer 'cuz they spin faster. It's cheaper to use less water/energy and buy fewer clothes and replacing the entire washer than it is to buy a less expensive toploader and use more energy/water and buy clothes more often.

Then again, if you looove shopping for clothes, and looove to own new stuff all the time and keep in fashion, go ahead, the toploader will be a nice excuse to discard "old" clothes and get new stuff. But then you'll understand why people like me call that style of toploader "shredmore".

Peace,
-- Paulo.


Post# 359237 , Reply# 16   6/24/2009 at 13:40 (5,391 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
Paulo

Nice name. In portuguese it's paulo too insteal of Paul.


I agree with you. There's nothing better than tumbling, no matter if it's afront loader or a top loader.

That's why it's the favorite washing system on commercial laundries.

Have you ever seen an industrial washing machine with an agitator or an impeller? I don't think so.

Clothes last more, it saves energy (I have to admit the american water saving stardards are ridiculous and exagerated) and it saves time because you can do fewer loads.

Most people complain about time but... What's the problem if the machine takes hours to complete a cycle? Who cares? We don't need to stop everything we're doing to watch the entire cycle. That's why the machines are automatic.


It's much better to have a slow but delicate wash than fast and agressive. This can be seen on brazilian electrolux top loaders too. Some models can take 3 hours to complete the longest cycle, but the agitation speed is very slow if compared to other machines and they have the soaks mixed with the wash. (4 minutes agitating, 4 minutes soak, 4 minutes agitating, 4 minutes soak, etc) the detergent has time to do it's job. and the sinner's circle is completed (reduce mechanical action, increase chemical action)

with front loaders happens the same and the clothes last muuuuuuuuuch longer.

Let's talk about wool or any other handwashable delicates. Would you wash that favorite sweater made by your grandmother 10 years ago in a Shredmore? even on delicate cycle, what would be the result? will it resist?

The same sweater in a front loader? ...???



Doing laundry can be compared to sex. Things can be done in seconds with a partner that looks like a hurricane and hit you like a truck and when it finishes you say "well, it was nice, bye" or it can be made slowly, having a glass of wine in front of the fireplace, talking, giving or receiving a massage to relax, listening to a good music, enjoying every second, every touch and when it finishes both partners can't describe the pleasure sensation and sleep on each other's arms. I bet most of us prefer the second option. (maybe the second option with a touch of the first option LOL)


The europeans are not wrong. They created the best washing system.


Why let the clothes be shredded in 20 minutes if they can have a "beauty treatment" in 2 hours?


Post# 359248 , Reply# 17   6/24/2009 at 14:17 (5,391 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        


The problem starts when things change. Do you have any idea how many dollars in clothes you have inside those machines? A full load of laundry can easily cost 300-400 bucks, and I'm talking about shirts, t-shirts and jeans that you get at places like Target only, nothing from department stores or even designer stuff.


Try rummage sales, the Salvation Army, thrift shops, and the like. An average load running through my "shredmore" typically costs less than $20.00, $30.00 tops. And sometimes, I have no more than $6.00 invested in three pairs of jeans. So, what good is an $1,800.00 front loader going to do me when most of my clothing is donated anyway? And believe it or not, that's reality for people on limited budgets. One of my washers alone is worth far more than my wardrobe!

Then again, if you looove shopping for clothes, and looove to own new stuff all the time and keep in fashion, go ahead, the toploader will be a nice excuse to discard "old" clothes and get new stuff. But then you'll understand why people like me call that style of toploader "shredmore".

Three pairs of jeans and a few shirts will go through far less wear and tear than they ever will in a wash cycle. At least, that's been the case with me. A fancy E-Lux would cost me far more than I could ever save on electric and water bills during its typical life span. Perhaps I may reconsider if someone were willing to pay ALL my utilities for the next 10 years in exchange for my purchase of one.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 359257 , Reply# 18   6/24/2009 at 14:53 (5,391 days old) by davek ()        

To add to what NS said, CamilleMama mentioned a baby. Perhaps there are other children as well. Children wear out and outgrow clothes faster than the worst washer can destroy them. The more children there are, the less of an advantage the gentleness of FL and the more advantage the speed of TL.

As far as amortizing the costs over time, remember that washers are a pretty big outlay, where any possible energy or water savings are spread out. It's simply much easier for the average person to spend $400 instead of $1,000, even if it does save them $6.50 a month or so. If both machines last 10 years, the total savings are $180. That's more like $2 per month, if that. Add to it that DD Whirlpools usually last 10 years, and US marketed front loaders seldom do.


Post# 359266 , Reply# 19   6/24/2009 at 15:34 (5,391 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
Error: far "less" wear and tear

Correction:

Three pairs of jeans and a few shirts will go through far MORE wear and tear than they ever will in a wash cycle.

Sorry about that.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 359276 , Reply# 20   6/24/2009 at 17:46 (5,391 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

Thomas:

The problem is that the "workflow" for laundry in Brazil is very different than the one in America. I'm not going to defend or condemn either of them, but let's just say that in US people tend to do an awful lot of laundry on just one day, so cycle length becomes more important than when one does fewer loads per day and spreads the total number of loads through more days. There are multiple ways to change/fix the "problem", but until people's attitudes change, it will be a problem.

NorfolkSouthern (sorry, I can't remember your name and it's not on your profile) and DaveK:

Let me begin by apologizing. I'm sorry, I did not mean to say everyone has to own thousands of dollars in clothes and/or laundry equipment.

That being said, nothing is free. You are paying for stuff one way or another. If you look at total cost of ownership, a vertical axis washer plus all the energy, water and clothes for say, 5 or 10 years, cost more than a horizontal axis with the same clothes. You will just pay way less for detergent, water and energy, and you'll wear out clothes less and fewer clothes. Are there ways to "compensate"? Yes, if you put fewer clothes per cycle, you'll do more cycles and it will cost more, but you'll wear them down less. If you load the washer to capacity (not overload, just to the capacity it was designed for), you'll spend less in energy/water, but you'll wear down the clothes faster.

The thought experiment I'm suggesting is simple and doesn't cost any more than whatever your time is worth. Just go to a place like Target and mentally add up the prices for all the equivalent of the clothes you own. That will remove the "I bought it at Sears" or "at Target" or "Salvation Army" or "for free" or "at Neimann Marcus". Even if you got the stuff for free, they are worth something. Clothes are not free, doing laundry is not free.

If your landlord is paying for all utilities, and you don't feel like a frontloader is going to save you something, remember, they are not giving you the utilities for free, they charge for them in your rent. I'll grant you, you won't see any savings right now if you got a frontloader unless you could convince your landlords that you're using less resources and they should either reduce your rent or not raise it so much on the next lease signing. If you are paying for utilities, like I am, you'll quickly find out that the amount of money you spend with a frontloader is enough lower than with a toploader, that you quickly get your money back in energy and clothes alone, and that's not considering other stuff.

And no one is telling y'all to go and get the most expensive machine available, there are inexpensive frontloaders, and you can probably pick one up for cheap or free, lots of friends here got a few for next to nothing (old stuff found on the streets, for example) that they fixed and added to their collections, and I'm here to tell you they run great.

As for baby stuff? Yes, they grow up fast. But if you're not keeping the clothes for the next baby or exchanging them with other parents, then you are really using an awful lot of money, 'cuz if there's anything that is expensive, it's baby stuff, particularly clothes. The longer they last and the cleaner they look, the more you save -- you'll be able to get something back for them, either other baby stuff, or money or use it for the next baby.


Post# 359300 , Reply# 21   6/24/2009 at 19:41 (5,391 days old) by washabear (Maryland)        

I love the Whirlpool direct-drive top loaders. I also had an Ultimate Care, which was left in the house I bought. Eventually, I got a newer model, and I do agree that Whirlpool seems to have scrimped on the sound-deadening materials on the newer models. It doesn't bother me, though, and I am thrilled with the washing performance of my machine. I also have a Frigemore front loader, and although I like it OK, I don’t think it does as good a job as the Whirlpool. I’m one of those people who think that the front loader doesn’t use enough water to get the job done. For example, if I wear a fragrance and get a bit of it on my shirt, the front loader does not get the scent out, whereas the top loader does. Plus, I think that the abrasion of barely wet clothes slapping against each other in a front loader is rougher than the rolling through water that occurs in a top loader. Give me lots of water, the vigorous direct-drive washing action, and lots of spin sprays (you can get them if you run the permanent press cycle and then a separate manual second rinse on the normal cycle, which will give you sprays on every spin and a high-speed final spin to boot), and I’m happy. This is just my personal impression. Perhaps the Maytag is the way to go for you if you are happy with the washing performance of the Whirlpool design and if the quiet claims are true.

Post# 359301 , Reply# 22   6/24/2009 at 19:53 (5,391 days old) by jeffg ()        

> I’m one of those people who think that the front loader doesn’t use enough water to get the job done. For example, if I wear a fragrance and get a bit of it on my shirt, the front loader does not get the scent out, whereas the top loader does. Plus, I think that the abrasion of barely wet clothes slapping against each other in a front loader is rougher than the rolling through water that occurs in a top loader. Give me lots of water, the vigorous direct-drive washing action, and lots of spin sprays (you can get them if you run the permanent press cycle and then a separate manual second rinse on the normal cycle, which will give you sprays on every spin and a high-speed final spin to boot), and I’m happy. This is just my personal impression. <

What Bruce said, and I'll add the superior cleaning is done in 1/2 to 1/4 the time of most front loaders.


Post# 359351 , Reply# 23   6/24/2009 at 23:08 (5,390 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )        

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Well I don't know your price range but we have a G.E. Harmony and it is near silent.There is no transmission its just a Direct Drive pancake motor.Its a top loader but its a H.E. kind there is no noise when its runing you dont have that constant drum of a motor going.Unlike all the other H.E. washers out there you can force it to fill all the way full by hitting the throw rug cycle.The Harmony is all stainless steel its not that new one out with the plastic infusor wash plate.We have had ours for 3 years and it runs 4 or more times a day and never had a problem with it.Its not cheap but it washes great compared to the frontloaders I have used.You fill it up and hit Vig wash and that thing will wash the hell out of anything.Its neat to watch with the glass lid on it.It uses a wash plate and the basket at the same time or not.We first got a frontloader and it was terrible,It would take over 3 hours to wash a load.The Harmony takes 50 mins most of the time but there are soooo many settings so its your choice.Even when spining out its very quite and 1050 Rpms to get the water out.

Post# 359374 , Reply# 24   6/25/2009 at 01:08 (5,390 days old) by mattl (Flushing, MI)        
Sure...

I really get tired of hearing about "shredmore's" and such. Since 1973 we have owned exactly 2 Kenmore washers - the first lasted 23 years and we are 14 into the second one. At the moment I'm wearing a shirt that dates to 1995, 14 years. It is in good shape or I would not be wearing it. I can honestly say it has been washed hundreds of times over that period of time. So no, a top loading Whirlpool based machine is NOT hard on clothes, regardless of what some people espouse.

If you want to spend thousands of dollars on a front loader set, fine, but don't do it because your clothes might last longer.


Post# 359410 , Reply# 25   6/25/2009 at 06:50 (5,390 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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So, in answer to your question, CamilleMomma: There isn't one washer that everyone here can agree about. Just go to the laundromat, LOL!

Post# 359476 , Reply# 26   6/25/2009 at 10:50 (5,390 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Tapping my toes and pointing my finger, you are going to get it young man!

Post# 359483 , Reply# 27   6/25/2009 at 11:05 (5,390 days old) by brant_ix (Westford, MA)        
I recommend ...

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... the Kenmore Elite Oasis 2804

I've had it 2 years now, Does an Excellent Wash Job, is Quiet, has an Agitator with almost a 360" Arc of Agitation, 1000 RPM Spin Speed, and lots of options. It's on our 2nd floor and it is QUIET! Seriously, I Love it! Like anything today, it is made of plastic, so don't over load it. But I do a Super Size Load and everything gets great turn over!

My Review USED to be the first one on there, but now not sure... Have had no problems with this washer and I do on average 2 loads a week. (1 White and 1 Color)

Stuff to know...
Normal wash will do Energy Saver Hot/Warm (so it's cool) and a Spray Rinse unless you choose either Fabric Softener or 2nd Rinse.
But Heavy Duty will do HOT for Hot and Normal Warm.

Whitest Whites will do a Traditional Wash and Rinse for a Top Loader.

We had the Maytag Centennial Pair (they looked stunning) when they first came out, but they too were as loud as your Whirlpool (they the same machine after all) so switching over to the MayTag Centennial Pair, you probably won't hear any sound improvement. The other thing on our Centennial Pairs was that they were Grinding themselves up!! It may have just been a bad pair, but I see a lot of the same reviews and comments...

Good Luck!
~Brant IX


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Post# 359497 , Reply# 28   6/25/2009 at 12:15 (5,390 days old) by dblrinz ()        
CamilleMomma

Front Loading or Top Loading - If it is possible for you to get a SPEED QUEEN that would be my vote.

I have a TL Speed Queen Bottom of the Line model which has Regular, Perm Press, & Delicate (alternates between agitation and soak) Hot, Warm, Cold and infinite water level. Though not the same, it harkens back to the GOOD OLE DAYS of Maytag with Newton Drives. It has Long 210 degree agitation stroke and a 700rpm spin (maybe a bit more) Gentle but effective cleaning, large capacity and great spinning. Built like a tank, but very simplistic. It is quiet, but not as quiet as my front loader. I believe you will find the noise to be almost soothing.

If you have a minute, check them out as I am EXTREMELY PLEASED with preformance and product quality. If you are able to do so, make the switch from Whirlpool to Speed Queen.

I don't think WP is bad...I just think SQ is better and seems to be the NEW machine with lasting power.


Post# 359517 , Reply# 29   6/25/2009 at 13:12 (5,390 days old) by jeffg ()        

> So no, a top loading Whirlpool based machine is NOT hard on clothes, regardless of what some people espouse. <

Matt, the corkscrew agitators with horizontal fins now used (I think) by WP *are* pretty rough on clothes, compared to older/classic agitators.


Post# 359883 , Reply# 30   6/27/2009 at 05:56 (5,388 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        
I didnt see anyone comment on this..do here is my two cents!

~Paulo. Nice name. In portuguese it's Paulo too, instead of Paul.

If memory serves, Mr. Paulo is Brazilian by birth and may just speak a bit of Portuguese.

I'm just saying.

:-)




Post# 359895 , Reply# 31   6/27/2009 at 07:26 (5,388 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Steve

Thanks for the information! It's very nice to know that.



Paulo, isso é verdade? is it true?


Post# 359900 , Reply# 32   6/27/2009 at 07:40 (5,388 days old) by easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        
Quiet is an issue

I have a Fisher & Paykel set and love them. My washer has an agitator instead of the useless plate.

Had a front load before (Whirlpool Duet) and it was quiet and did a great job. But they are large machines -- as are any of the current front loaders -- and you need to measure back to front to be sure you have enough room for a front loader. They have a large footprint. That is the only reason I got rid of mine -- took up too much room in my kitchen.

The F&P works well, is quiet, and spins at 1000 rpm for fast drying.

Jerry Gay


Post# 360067 , Reply# 33   6/28/2009 at 01:32 (5,387 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

Toggles said: "If memory serves, Mr. Paulo is Brazilian by birth and may just speak a bit of Portuguese."

Thomas said: "Steve: Thanks for the information! It's very nice to know that. Paulo, isso é verdade? is it true?"

Sadly it cannot be confirmed or denied, it's not a yes or no question.

I'm one of those people who has no static definition, it depends on who you ask. I was born and raised in Brazil, moved to US nearly 20 years ago. If you ask people in Brazil, they'll tell you I'm "too Americanized"... if you ask some people in US, they'll say I'm "not American enough"... and if you ask the lawyers, they'll say I'm "more American than the natives", just like Lieutenant Worf used to out-klingon the Klingons in Star Trek: The Next Generation -- that comes from learning/dealing with a different culture looking from the outside, so there are plenty of times when the natives say something egregious and I tell them something along the lines of "oh, sure, if what you're saying were true, that would imply a, b and c, and Federal Law says not a, Constitution says not b and State Law here says not c, so good luck with that" and if there are lawyers around they tell the original person that I'm right and they are wrong. And no, I'm not a lawyer.

I've lived here for long enough to understand the natives and even behave like them when appropriate, but I also understand that there is no one true answer, there isn't even only one answer or only one right answer -- there are, more often than not, multiple answers and many may be true and it's not necessarily true that one answer will be better than any others. Just look at the responses above, some people refuse to accept that a certain design is rougher on the clothes and others refuse to accept that that design is just as gentle as the others -- why? because they are not using the machines in the same way the other people are. Who's right, who's wrong? No one -- some people always do the laundry in the same way no matter what machine they use, some people always obey the user's guide, some people do something else entirely. Different parameters, different outcomes. Without more details, we'll be spinning around in circles. Meanwhile, everyone feels "virtuous", because "they are doing the right thing, everyone else is doing it the wrong way" and, frankly, most people are not looking around and asking for the details, most people just get puzzled by the entire situation.

And to be honest with y'all, I don't think of myself as of one nationality -- I've lived with and around lots of different people, from all corners of the world. All I can say is that people are the same no matter where they came from, we are way more similar than different, and to me, it's sad that we feel like we need to emphasize the tiniest differences, blow them out of proportion until we look different. Sting said long ago that "what may save you and me is that the Russians love their children too" and I agree.

That's why I chose that username: I consider myself a person who lives on planet Earth, with everyone else. Just your average Earthling, trying to live my life in peace, making mistakes and hopefully learning from them although, to be completely honest with you, I primarily try to learn from other people's mistakes, it hurts less in the end. ;-)

Cheers,
-- Paulo.

PS: Thomas, I've answered your question about the KitchenAid mixer in the original thread, dunno if you saw it or not.


Post# 360394 , Reply# 34   6/29/2009 at 13:28 (5,386 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Paulo

That's a wonderful answer.

the continuation about it (where you mention the washing machines) is also great.

Electrolux has a video named Thinking of you that's much more than a marketing tool. We really believe that! (At least I believed and my team too).

I'll try to find it and post here.

One of it's texts says something like that:
"we know each user has it's own ways to do laundry, we know users don't read the instructions. That's why we try to have as much contact as we can. we don't want you to relearn how to do your laundry, we want to learn with you how to make machines tailored to your needs."



Thanks for posting the reply about KA.. I'll check it right now.



Post# 360470 , Reply# 35   6/29/2009 at 20:08 (5,386 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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hello i would recomend that you go with the maytag its a very good washer and its made to last long I for 1 knows for a fact that when i buy a new washer and dryer when my duet set will break i will buy the maytage washer and dryer set since its my dream machine.
here is a picture of my dream washer that i will buy.

Pierre


Post# 360487 , Reply# 36   6/29/2009 at 21:37 (5,385 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        
Only the badge and the control panel differ.

Mon ami, c'est une laveuse de Whirlpool.

My friend that is a Whirlpool washer.


Post# 360494 , Reply# 37   6/29/2009 at 22:04 (5,385 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Yes, a Whirlsh** washer dressed as Maytag.

Post# 360520 , Reply# 38   6/30/2009 at 02:03 (5,385 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

I hope the "new" Speed Queen" is truly different from the old amana (they are identical to my eye on the inside) maybe they are different down in the mechanism and seals. Just keep in mind my amana lasted 7 years to the date of purchase. It was leaking like a sieve when we put it on the curb. The real problem was a low dollar seal, but the labor to tear it completely down and put it back together was more than a new washer. How many years of service are you Speed Queen owners at now?

Post# 360870 , Reply# 39   7/1/2009 at 11:04 (5,384 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
The New Speed Queens

I just purchased a new SPEED QUEEN washer and dryer. They are built by Alliance Laundry Systems. They come with a 3 year parts and labor warranty, 5 year parts warranty, 10 years on the transmission, and a lifetime on the stainless steel tub.
I am assuming that whatever problems you had were with the Raytheon bulit models. There is not another washer available with such a warranty. The quality and warranty are truly exceptional. I've owned Kenmore and Whirlpool DD washers, as well as a GE Filter-Flo. Only the FF comes close to the quality of these Speed Queens.


Post# 361825 , Reply# 40   7/5/2009 at 10:21 (5,380 days old) by queeny77 (BERWYN, ILLINOIS)        

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bought my speed queen 7-3-08 so far no problems

Post# 365968 , Reply# 41   7/21/2009 at 15:54 (5,364 days old) by laundramatt (Youngstown, Ohio)        

You will be delighted with a Speed Queen. I've had one for about six months now. It is perfect!

Post# 366077 , Reply# 42   7/21/2009 at 22:32 (5,363 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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if you want a washer that is quiet when doing a wash load you can always get a front load washer like the whirlpool duet me in my case i prefer top load washers because top load are easyer for me to load and unload the washer. But here is a picture if it can help you.

Pierre


Post# 369353 , Reply# 43   8/3/2009 at 18:51 (5,351 days old) by gowest84 (Phoenix, AZ)        
Maytag

In my condo I have room for a 24" machine. When the original Whirlpool was here, I was happy not to go to the laundromat but I hated the small top loader.

I had a Haier front load washer and dryer...and after 4 years, multiple calls to the repair place, and a few calls to Lowe's with the problems I had with it, and Lowe's replaced the disaster machines with the 24" Maytag Neptune washer and dryer - at no charge. 3 weeks ago I had a quarter get stuck in the pump but otherwise it's been great.

I think that if you can get a front loader, they - in my opinion - are the best value. Here in Phoenix there seems to be good deals for front loaders and I also think people who have children benefit because you can get more done in less time.

My Maytag has a short cycle that is 33 minutes total unless I add an extra rinse or change the soil type to normal or heavy and the most it takes is 48 minutes. The only thing about this Maytag is that if there isn't enough stuff in there it takes a long time for the machine to balance itself out. It's like I have NASA engineers in there making sure it's just perfect when it doesn't need that much balancing.

If Speed Queen is within the budget, consider it, otherwise, look for the sales or the smaller appliance shops - my experience with them has been better and the people are more willing the answer your questions.



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