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Thread Number: 2299
Get Em While They Are Hot - Hoover TT Snaps |
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Post# 69317 6/5/2005 at 16:39 (6,898 days old) by Launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Took some snaps of my Hoover TT using our trusty 35mm camera. Many were to blurry from trying to get up close shots, but there are enough to make a decent start. You will find them in my album located on the site. Included one will see pictures of the pump which I must replace. Hope those interested assisting me in tracking down a new pump can make heads or tails of it from the snap. Launderesss | ||
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Post# 69318 , Reply# 1 6/5/2005 at 16:50 (6,898 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 69329 , Reply# 2 6/5/2005 at 18:51 (6,898 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 69331 , Reply# 3 6/5/2005 at 19:02 (6,898 days old) by jdinstl () | ||
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Nice! Nice equipment there, Launderess! I'm impressed! I hope you find a new pump soon! John | ||
| Post# 69356 , Reply# 4 6/5/2005 at 22:44 (6,898 days old) by Mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
This Display of a machine
is the best published! Launderess, I am sure you can find a way to help your issues. Try another pump if the need be. As all of these kinds of machines, the pump the water/soap out all the same way by design. The ones used at the carwahes, (GE comes to mind) all have the same sort of pump extraction. Try to see if one of those will work. Steve | ||
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Post# 69371 , Reply# 5 6/6/2005 at 00:48 (6,898 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Thank you everyone for the kind words. Toggle, Yes, both the extractor tub and wash tub/impeller have their own motors. This is one of the beauties of using a twin tub as one can run the extractor at the same time as the wash tub is washing. This allows one to drain the water from the extractor into the wash tub for reuse. This is what helps keep water usage low and makes twin tubs great for those with a limited clean water supply. The only time both the wash tub and extractor tub will drain to sewer, is when both sides are set to do so. Steve, Hoover used a type of pump called a "double decker", and so far have not had much sucess in finding anything remotely similar. Well there are the patterned spare pumps sold for Hoover twinnes in the UK, but that seems to be about all. Have sent photo's of my pump to various UK Hoover TT spares dealers and expect to hear back on what they have with in a day or so. In the meantime will speak to another local appliance repair service tomorrow morning and see if they have any suggestions. From what I understand these pumps cannot be rebuilt, and once the seal is broked (as in taken apart), it is difficult to impossible for them not to leak. Since that is the problem already, do not want to pay good money after bad. Launderess | ||
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Post# 69551 , Reply# 6 6/8/2005 at 00:57 (6,896 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Has This Been Used!!! 
Hi Launderess Just looked at the pics , WOW, this machine has hardly been used, unless its been very well renovated, not a spot of oil sprayed onto the inside cabinet etc... Its one of the best examples of this type... This machine is equivalent to the model 3301 in the UK, I have a 3309 model which has the same pump but a full length outlet hose coming out of the back instead of the top... Does this top hose twist off like the UK models??? My friends mum had one of these machines and whilst using it to spin some handwashed items, had forgotten to put the hose in the top, she loaded up and switched on and there was an almight scream from the kitchen as the water started to be pumped up out of the top of the machine, no hose connected so it literally shot up and hit the ceiling...LOL The double decker pump is not available as a genuine spare but copy pumps are about, I have used these and had no problems at all, if you do split them, like Uni says, any pump may leak, a cork seal simply does the job. The white bits are more lickely to be calcium / limescale especially if you have hard water....using newer powders will sort that, or calgon / vinegar flush will surfice. The pic is of the UK Model 3301 Mike CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK 
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Post# 69552 , Reply# 7 6/8/2005 at 01:33 (6,896 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Mike
As a matter of fact the seller claimed the unit was only used once by a little old lady........... Yes, the unit was truly only used once or rarely then put away for over 20 years. Methinks the woman did one wash load in her new Hoover and said "sod all this work" and went to an automatic top loader! *LOL* Apparently leaving the unit unused for such a long period is probably what damaged the pump. Wash water probably rotted out the insides and or caused the pump to sieze. Have been on to several appliance spare dealers in the UK, and think may have found a pump. Will know more later today, if it does not work out will go ahead and order one off eBay. DIY has lots of Hoover spares (but alas no pumps), so will be placing an order there as well just to stock up on parts. Will be replacing the rather short original drain hose on my unit with one of the longer ones used on UK models. Have not used the washer as of yet because of the pump problem. The white bits must be from the previous owner's detergent/water supply. No, the top hose does not twist off. If one means the fill hose, one simply attaches one end to the water supply and then aim into the tubs. The drain hose is attached to the pump as one can see in the photos. Your collection is wonderful, and glad to find another Lux flakes user; you can't fail with Lux can you? Thank you for your kind words regarding my photos. Hopefully will have action shots! A local appliance repair shop that is well versed on Hoover TT repairs is also looking for a pump. They have a "source" they used to get Hoover parts from and are waiting to hear back. Since I was lead to believe twin tubs are about as common as Dodo birds in the United States, am wondering just where these parts are coming from. Probably some hoarding appliance parts shop man I shouldn't wonder. My luck they will find a pump (perhaps even a Hoover), and charge me an arm and a leg for it. About the casters? Have you ever replaced any of the ones on your TTs? If so what did you use as replacements and where did you find them? Launderess | ||
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Post# 69560 , Reply# 9 6/8/2005 at 03:08 (6,896 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Water leaks from where the two parts of the pump meet above the clips. So guess that means it is leaking from the cover? Even if the leaking problem is fixed, the pump is still siezed up and won't pump out water. This weekend am going to start the pump and see if the pump belt is turning. The extractor turns fine, but never checked to see if the pump belts are working. Don't know much about pumps or even appliances for that matter, but have a pretty good guess that water from the prior use, allowed to sit for 20 years did not do this pump any good. Dishwashers and washing machines give instructions if one is going to be leaving the machine idle for a long period of time. Going on that assumption I'm thinking the remaining wash water caused havoc sitting there for over 20 years. Since parts for these units are fast becoming scarce, prolly better to get a new pump or two and other parts while the getting is good. This way can enjoy the unit for many years to come. If finding a pump is difficult now, can one imagine what it might be like 5 or so years down the road? Regards, Launderess Launderess | ||
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Post# 69575 , Reply# 10 6/8/2005 at 07:31 (6,896 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 69619 , Reply# 12 6/8/2005 at 19:41 (6,895 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Update
Just to put everyone in the picture, here are the latest developments in my ongoing Hoover TT saga. After work came home and decided to see what is what with the pump. First tipped the washer over on it's side, then tested the pump belt/shaft. While the belt was a bit sticky, that could have been from the water dripping down due to the leak. Good news is that the shaft does rotate freely. Well it needed a bit of gentle tugging to get it started, but it does move. This again could have been caused by the water leak. Put the washer upright and popped off the back cover and took myself a really good look at the pump. Guess what I found? Give up? There is a hairline crack on the side of the pump, running from where the two halves meet towards one of the clips. Could this be the problem? Also why won't the washer at least pump out water regardless of the leak? Took another look at the rubber plug and dial on the top of the pump that controls the diverter. You can see from my snaps the rubber is badly rotted, but I wondered something about something else. Could the rotted rubber plug be allowing air into the pump? This could explain why the pump is not pumping out water. Necessity being the mother of invention took a look on my bag of tricks (tool box) and produced plumber's silicone tape. Hmmmmmmmm Cut a good sized length of the tape off and carefully but snugly wrapped it around the rotted rubber. Poured a cup of hot water into the extractor and started the Hoover up. WATER CAME GUSHING OUT OF THE DRAIN HOSE! Hussah!!!!! Sadly water also came out of the aforementioned hair line crack on the pump. To test the pumping/draining action further, took a sopping wet bath towel and put it into the extractor. Powered that baby up and WATER CAME GUSHING OUT OF THE DRAIN HOSE. Nasty, dirty water carrying with it 20 years worth of gunk, detergent (or some sort) granules, bugs, lint, and god only knows what else. Sadly water also came gushing out of the hair line crack and all over the floor/inside of the washer. Not wishing to get any of the electrics wet including the motor, stopped the extractor at once. After mopping up the floor/drying down the inside of the washer, reached yet again into my bag of tricks and produced some "Seal All" all purpose contact adhesive sealant. With a "Q-Tip" applied a good dose of the sealant along what I could see of the crack. Do not know if it extends down beneath the clip since obviously cannot see that far. Went to two different hardware stores today and neither had "Corbin Clamp" remover tool, but did pick up some machine "grease" and a roll of cork. What caused the crack, have no idea. Could have happened during shipping, but as the seller sold the unit "untested" (yes, I know, I'm an idiot aren't I?); couldn't prove 100% UPS caused the damage. Will let the sealant cure for an hour or so then maybe apply some tape and another layer of sealant before seeing if the pump is "sea worthy". Think I need a glass of wine, skip it where is that bottle of gin? Launderess | ||
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Post# 69628 , Reply# 14 6/8/2005 at 21:50 (6,895 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Frigilux
Some Hoover TT's had plastic tubs similar to what you see on many modern top loaders. IIRC the advantage of the plastic tub was that as they were one molded piece there was less chance of leakage. The SS tubs from what I've been able to read, could after awhile develop really bad leaks. Regarding my repairs, While the Seal All held in the parts of the crack one could see, there is still water coming out of the pump. Much as I would love to use the washer, so much water pours out of the pump that it would be impossible at this stage. If I could get the darn Corbin clamps off, would take the pump out and see what is what. Maybe cutting and inserting a cork seal, then mating the halves together again would work. Going to order a new pump and other spares including a longer drain hose from the UK tonight. Hopefully will arrive before next weekend and then will get busy. From what I can see, taking out the pump may not require a visit from our service man as thought. The pump is held a base plate via screws, and after removing those, the pump belt and hoses it should come right out. No? Launderess | ||
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Post# 69725 , Reply# 16 6/9/2005 at 20:27 (6,894 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Oh Sweet Mystery of Life At Last I've Found You
Pump still leaks like a sieve, so took a pair of pliers and pried away the clip near the aforementioned crack, and guess what? The crack not only extends down to the base of the pump, the darn pump is virtually cracked open at the base. Well not cracked wide open, but wide enough that a simple smear of Seal All may not do the trick. Am going to try building layers of Seal All to fill in the crack, and if I can get to the hardware store before it closes, apply some waterproof tape over the Seal All, then another layer or so of Seal All. With any luck will at least be able to stifle the leakage enough to turn a constant flow, to a slow drip. Of course this means a new pump must be found at once. Pity of the thing is cannot tell if the damage was caused in transit or exsisted before shipping. If caused in transit might get UPS to pony up some funds, which would help go towards a new pump. What a way to run a railroad. Launderess | ||
| Post# 69728 , Reply# 17 6/9/2005 at 20:36 (6,894 days old) by partscounterman (Cortez, Colorado) | ||
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Launderess Oh, so sorry to hear about the trouble you are having with the little Hoover. I hope the cosmos will bring the correct parts to you. You will be in Laundry Nirvana before you know it! Once its up and running it will be a great joy! | ||
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Post# 69762 , Reply# 18 6/10/2005 at 02:47 (6,894 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Good Night Nurse
Have had it for the day with this machine. Now for late Scooby snack, then bed. First layers of Seal All failed to do the trick, as the pump still leaked. Not as much as before, but none the less was still leaking. Found the source as I discovered the crack went right up to the area around where the pump connects to the drain hose. Water was leaking in sync with the pumping action (as the pump pumped, each pulse produced a strong gush of water. Sigh. Peeled the wet Seal All mess off and cleaned up the water. Next turned the washer on it's side to allow water still inside the pump to drain down the other side from the crack (put a towel on the other side), and dried everything off. Needed a clean dry surface to try sealing the cracks again, but with the machine lowered, water kept dripping out of the pump. Next began to ponder how to patch up the larger parts of the crack. Then it dawned on me, the roll of cork purchased yesterday for making a new pump seal. Took off a length of cork and made very small strips/pieces, and painfully began to wedge the cork into the larger cracked areas. By "large" I mean the largest crack (near the base) was really what one might call a hairline fracture. But none the less it gushed water. After the larger cracked areas were stuffed with cork, began gooping on lots of the Seal All allowing it to seep into the cracks. Used a blow dryer (set on cool) for several minutes to fast set the Seal All, then allowed the sealant to dry for awhile. About an hour later applied yet another "gooping" of sealant, and that was all she wrote. Intended to a let the Seal All cure 24 hours or so. Cleaned up the mess which included several towels I had used to wipe up all the water. After washing, only used the final spin at low. Since it was about 2 hours later, decided to at least try the extractor and see how the seal was holding. After all how much water could be left in the towels? Put some newspapers under the pump and let her rip. After about 1 minute or so took the towels out and they were near DRY. But what about the seals? Well during the pumping one could see the sealant come "Alive". It was almost like watching a human heart beat as each pulse of the pump caused the sealant along the uppermost part of the crack to pulse. Scary and icky all at the same time. Noticed also the pump belt also tended to "pulse" in tandem with the pump. While the pump still leaked water, it was more like drips than full scale gushing. Will try pumping again tomorrow using a cup or two of water and see how things are holding up. If things stay as they are, prolly can use the extractor for final spinning of laundry washed elsewhere, long as I remember to put something under the washer to collect the drips. Nabbed a hose clamp remover tool off eBay, when it arrives will swap out the drain hose for a longer one. Maybe by then it will be time for a full fledged wash up. Oh yes, about the noise. These twin tubs are NOT the most quiet washers. The extractor makes a horrible whine when starting up and slowing down. Maybe a dab of grease somewhere? Swapped out the old casters for ones I kept from our Malber's portable wheel kit. They didnt' fit, but wrapped several layers of of cello-tape around the shafts, and shoved them in (they fit now). The old hard rubber casters on the Hoover were killing my floors. Not to mention they were cracked and chipped to death making moving the unit about very difficult. That is all gang, now for that Scooby snack, and to bell a man in Scotland about a pump. Launderess | ||
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Post# 69804 , Reply# 19 6/10/2005 at 14:35 (6,893 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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What A Difference a Day Makes
Tested the pump with first one cup of water, and while it did leak a bit, no where like before. The Seal All made a nice hard seal and no longer "pulsed". So decided it was time to get out the big guns. Poured a huge stock pot full of hot water into the wasche basin and let her rip. Whooo-hooo Nellie! Washer pumped out the water VERY fast with a little dripping. Repeated this several times until the pumped water was clear. Don't know what the previous owner laundered in this unit, but was getting bits of what looked like sand, grit, lint and other gunk. Oddly enough it seems to my eye the dripping got a bit less the more large pots of hot water went through/cleaned out the pump. Perhaps the seal is being rehydrated? In short the pump still leaks, but it is more like slow drips than out right pouring out of water. Gave the pump base plate and screws a good shot of WD40 to help prevent rusting. Don't want the screws to rust soild making it impossible to remove the pump. Prolly can live with the drips, at least for awhile, just will have to put something under the washer to keep from damaging my floors. There is pile of bath towels/wash cloths that need laundering, do I dare? ......... Launderess | ||
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Post# 69810 , Reply# 20 6/10/2005 at 16:08 (6,893 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 69812 , Reply# 21 6/10/2005 at 17:18 (6,893 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Shake, Rattle and Roll
What? What did you say? Is someone addressing me? Just came on from doing a test wash in the Hoover twinnie and can't hear a thing! I may never hear normally again! Fully understand now why the previous owner used the machine once and then put it away for 20 years. All the bloody palaver for doing wash! Guess having always used automatic washing machines it does seem like allot of work. Given the choice between a washboard and tub, would take the Hoover, but would need ear plugs. Did a load of towels (hand,body and wash cloths). Measured out detergent (Wisk Tabs, cause just love the scent), some Ecover bleach, and STPP. Filled up the washer (had to use an old shower hose as the rubber Hoover hose was so old it broke at the faucet connection), and started the machine up. Clearly had over estimated the capacity of this washer as the items would not spin around. So, had to take a few thick and thirsty towels that were soaking wet with hot water/detergent out. Won't give an entire blow by blow account, but will say the switching back and forth between tubs gets very old fast. Also if one needs to stand by to make sure the items in the wash tub are rolling freely about. Oh, the NOISE! Not so much from the wash side, but the extractor and pump. Also when the unit is spinning heavy loads it vibrates quite a bit. All that rattling, shaking, and so forth gave me a headache. Also standing over a hot wash tub on a 90F day is NOT my idea of fun. Still, must say the spin rinse function (one hoses the laundry down in the extractor and let it spin)seems to work well. Provided the extractor is not over loaded and or one is not overly generous with water. Either will cause the motor to make a very nasty noise letting you know it is NOT happy and you'd better cut it out. Pump did leak, but kept a supply of newspapers on hand to stick underneath the pump. By the time I finished had gone through a good sized stack. Maybe about three or four newspaper "pads". What about the towels? Got fed up and put them all in the washer as I felt the Hoover did not get the hand and face towels clean enough. Maybe when new hoses are fitted on and can use the machine in an other area (the current hoses are too short to reach the sink in our kitchen, so had to use the TT in a small pantry off the kitchen; will attempt to wash again. In the mean time, do like the extractor function so can at least keep that up so the pump get's a work out. Methinks the twinne would be good for starching/bluing and soaking,(both of which can be tricky in a front loader); and perhaps doing one large item. Now, where is that Tylenol? Launderess | ||
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Post# 69907 , Reply# 23 6/11/2005 at 18:13 (6,892 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Prolly will find the Hoover fun once everything is set up correctly. If not will fix it up, mark it up and pass it on! *LOL* Used the extractor several times yesterday to finish off a few wash loads. It really is impressive how much water/detergent residue it will remove from wash loads. Even wash loads spun at about 1000 rpms had more to offer in the TT. Launderess | ||
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Post# 69952 , Reply# 24 6/11/2005 at 23:44 (6,892 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 69956 , Reply# 25 6/12/2005 at 00:37 (6,892 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 69968 , Reply# 27 6/12/2005 at 04:27 (6,892 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Changing Drain Hose | ||
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Post# 69969 , Reply# 28 6/12/2005 at 04:30 (6,892 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Hoovermatic
Only used a small amount of detergent, about one tablespoon. Guess all these years of using front loaders have forgotten how to dose detergent for top loading types. Next time will break out the heavy guns. Tide ought to do the trick. Cannot imagine doing wash for a husband, and six little ones on a twinne. But guess you are correct in that once a proper routine was developed things flew by. Hope you and your siblings were being good, or did your mum have to get the dolly stick? *LOL* Launderess | ||
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Post# 70004 , Reply# 30 6/12/2005 at 14:09 (6,891 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Yoo-Hoo - Waving at Chris | ||
| Post# 70011 , Reply# 31 6/12/2005 at 15:01 (6,891 days old) by partscounterman (Cortez, Colorado) | ||
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Noisy spin A buddy of mine that works in the vacuum cleaner industry once told me that the Hoover spin motor was the same type motor used on the Constellation and Dial-a-Matic vacuums Dunno if this is true or not | ||
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