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Thread Number: 23114
1950 (?) GE top loading impeller dishwasher |
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| Post# 360840 7/1/2009 at 09:23 (5,406 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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| Post# 360841 , Reply# 1 7/1/2009 at 09:25 (5,406 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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| Post# 360842 , Reply# 2 7/1/2009 at 09:27 (5,406 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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| Post# 360843 , Reply# 3 7/1/2009 at 09:28 (5,406 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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| Post# 360845 , Reply# 4 7/1/2009 at 09:29 (5,406 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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| Post# 360848 , Reply# 5 7/1/2009 at 09:33 (5,406 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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| Post# 360849 , Reply# 6 7/1/2009 at 09:35 (5,406 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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| Post# 360851 , Reply# 7 7/1/2009 at 09:37 (5,406 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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Post# 360856 , Reply# 8 7/1/2009 at 10:15 (5,406 days old) by turquoisedude  (.) |
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Wowee!
Matt, that's a real oldie but goodie for sure! The GE impeller machines were really built like the proverbial brick sh.. er, schoolhouse!! The reason the machine doesn't drain is probably because it's a gravity-drain model. I have some old literature on Hotpoint dishwashers that show how those work if you need it! Also, the 'thingy' is actually an air gap, not a detergent dispenser. I do not believe there even was a detergent dispenser in the GE machines until the mid-50's! Now the $64 000 question - what are going to do with this one?? | ||
| Post# 360857 , Reply# 9 7/1/2009 at 10:18 (5,406 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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| Post# 360859 , Reply# 10 7/1/2009 at 10:24 (5,406 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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I don't know what I'm going to do woth it. I might keep it, but I see my job primarily as finding machines for other people. I have a shop, I fix and sell appliances. I do not consider myself to be a collector. Someday I hope to put together my dream kitchen and laundry, but not now. I get a lot of satisfaction finding good homes for these amazing machines, which I consider a form of functional art. matt
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Post# 360860 , Reply# 11 7/1/2009 at 10:30 (5,406 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Well, I am on the trail of that estate sale dishwasher in Grands Rapids still... I might just have to do a road trip with a truck,so... I think this would make a nice addition to my GE impeller dishwasher collection! Of course, I will be homeless 'cause hubby will throw my sorry arse out on the street, but what the heck! | ||
| Post# 360861 , Reply# 12 7/1/2009 at 10:30 (5,406 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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Oh, and thanks turquoisedude for the info, what exactly is an "air gap" for? It looks like a piece is missing, there is a pin holder in the "Thingy" that held something. As far as the drain, you are correct, it is just a gravity drain with a lift valve. The simplicity of this machnes is almost mind boggling.
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| Post# 360862 , Reply# 13 7/1/2009 at 10:34 (5,406 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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Post# 360865 , Reply# 14 7/1/2009 at 10:43 (5,406 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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The Air Gap was common in so many of the older appliances I guess because older plumbing systems were not all properly vented and it was possible that a direct connection to an appliance could result in water from the machine being siphoned back into the water supply lines, contaminating it. I read WAY too many old home handyperson books when I was a brat, I guess! There was probably a cover on the air gap. Mike (dishwashercrazy) will know that for sure! Thank you so much for your kind offer! If I can convince hubby to make this trip, I would definitely take you up on that - I have a feeling that I would have too much fun looking around your store though! I will start buttering someone up tonight... lol!! | ||
| Post# 360912 , Reply# 15 7/1/2009 at 13:52 (5,406 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
Matt, You have a very nice machine there, and I'm so glad that it does not leak. The most prominent place these machines leak, is around the tub seal, where the tub sits inside the cabinet top frame, or in the Electric Sink case, the sink top. From the photos, I do see rust around the drain flange in the bottom of the tub. This will likely be the next problematic area. The BE100 model is the stand-alone dishwasher version of the 100 series. The corresponding Electric Sink version had the model number SE100. The A16, if I understand what I’ve learned so far, indicates that this was the first Engineering version of the 100 model. Subsequent engineering versions would have been assigned perhaps a B16, or C16 designation (BE100A16, BE100B16, BE100C16). The February 1950 date that is stamped on your machine is the manufacture date, which does coincide with the date on my parts breakdown sheets for the BE100. The AE748 (drop-in), BE748 (stand-alone), and DE748 (Electric Sink) model series was produced in 1948-1949. As the Motor/Timer/Drying Option configurations changed, the motor “Mechanism” was assigned different designations too. The pre-war Electric Sinks had Mechanism: S-1, S-2, S-3, S-4 and S-5. The post war Mechanisms were: S-6, S-7, S7G, S7H, S-47, S-470, S4700, S-8, S-10, S-10-1, S-10-2, S-10-3, S-11A, S12A, S12M3, S12N and so on. In the parts breakdown sheets, the S-10 Mechanism is associated with the BE100 and the SE100 models, and these dated sheets also correspond to the February 1950 date. In the photo block, I’m showing the Chrome aerator cover removed from on top of the brass aerator from my 1949 SE748C16 Electric Sink/Dishwasher. Depending on the model year, G.E. made changes to these as well. So I’m not sure if you have a one-piece version, or a version which the chrome cover lifts off. And these pieces might also be fused/corroded together depending on the condition. I’ve also shown the detergent cup which is mounted on the front wall of the wash tub. If it’s still there, it should be a hinged door that closes forming a box for the detergent to be poured into. A cable connected to the timer mechanism is pulled, which opens the detergent cup at the beginning of the wash cycle. (Some models, like my 1948 and 1948 Electric Sinks, have the detergent cup cable connected to the cam follower drain valve lever – every time the lever drops into the slot on the cam to close the drain, it also pulls the cable to open the detergent cup.) I’m also showing photos of the various ways GE dated both the Sink and the Dishwasher components (First the dates on the 1949 DE748, then the dates on the 1950 SE100). Matt, if Paul does not, for some reason, take this BE100A16 machine for his collection, I certainly would love to add it to my growing GE Dishwasher collection! Thanks for showing this great machine to us. Mike 
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| Post# 360970 , Reply# 17 7/1/2009 at 17:44 (5,406 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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Thanks for the info dishwashercrazy, I got the drain tube off, and it seems fine, just needs to be cleaned and oiled. I will post pics of the cams that operate off the door switch. They are a bit bound. But, all in all, the thing is in amazing shape mechanically, given the horrible exposure I'm sure it got. Pete, where are the pics of the Kelvinator? Did I miss them? Keep up the good work. matt
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Post# 361063 , Reply# 18 7/1/2009 at 22:48 (5,405 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 361190 , Reply# 20 7/2/2009 at 13:53 (5,405 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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| Post# 361353 , Reply# 21 7/3/2009 at 09:09 (5,404 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Matt, You should NOT put oil on the cables. If you try anything, Graphite powder would be the preferred product to use to lubricate the cables. The Lid Opening cable is on the left. When the lid is closed, are you able, with your fingers to pull the left side of the lever down (moving the cable down), and open the lid by hand? Or is the cable frozen? To date, I've not tackled this same problem of the lid not opening on my DE748A16. I have some information yet to read on the adjustment process of the lid mechanism, prior to tackling the project. It's just taken a low priority for now. NOW would be a great time to locate a copy of the G.E. PRODUCT MAN books from 1947, 1948, 1949 and 1950. These are a compilation of the monthly service bulletins (see photo). Perhaps we can talk by phone to discuss this all in greater detail. Email me at mikehaller@aol.com Mike 
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| Post# 361359 , Reply# 22 7/3/2009 at 09:55 (5,404 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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Thanks mike, I will definately take you up on your generous offer. Fortunately, the cams are not bound, they both operate, they just are not being activated by the door. I know some people like to restore to original condition, but this machine can be redone to work off of a modern timer, intake valve, and drain, and presto it is good to go. I don't know if I'll do this, but if there are no parts available for this machine (and I'm assuming there is not) I might have to. Or do some fabrication to keep it "original." Thank you, Thank you for all the info. This is a great site. Where else can you instantly find experts on such a rare machine. matt
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Post# 361402 , Reply# 23 7/3/2009 at 14:34 (5,404 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH) |
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GE Books. | ||
| Post# 361425 , Reply# 24 7/3/2009 at 16:05 (5,404 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Matt, You are quite welcome. Since the cables do work, it would help me perhaps speak directly with you to fully understand the problem. Mike Dave, Thanks. I only saw the GE Product Man Books that another collector had. I would love to have my own set of them. They covered the major appliances. When I was pouring through them, I don't remember seeing any information on Fans. Mike | ||
| Post# 362865 , Reply# 25 7/9/2009 at 16:22 (5,398 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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| Post# 362891 , Reply# 26 7/9/2009 at 20:15 (5,397 days old) by soberleaf () | ||
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seems like a beautiful old machine to me what a shame to tear it up for parts! i would hold on to it as it is, like you say your job is to mate people with appliances, someone will surely grab that nostalgic old impeller machine! patience my friend, patience! | ||
| Post# 362892 , Reply# 27 7/9/2009 at 20:20 (5,397 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Matt | ||
| Post# 362921 , Reply# 28 7/10/2009 at 05:36 (5,397 days old) by mikepaquette () | ||
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Paging everythingold Your profile said you have 5 dishwashers ? What do you have & which is your favorite & dailey driver ? Thank You Mike | ||
| Post# 362942 , Reply# 29 7/10/2009 at 09:09 (5,397 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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| Post# 363077 , Reply# 30 7/10/2009 at 20:37 (5,396 days old) by mikepaquette () | ||
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Is there such a dishwasher ? Mobile Maid impeller wash roto rack ? That would have to be my all time favorite. WOW Mike | ||
| Post# 363175 , Reply# 32 7/11/2009 at 10:12 (5,396 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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| Post# 363294 , Reply# 33 7/11/2009 at 18:52 (5,396 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Please let me clarify......
With my apologies to Matt, please let me clarify. The Sears Kenmore "600" Automatic Portable Dishwasher With Exclusive Roto-Rack Two Level Wash that I acquired 3rd hand in 1970 was an impeller machine with a middle spray tube. Here are a couple of scans of the Owner's manual. On this first page is a diagram of the two-level wash action. Mike 
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| Post# 363295 , Reply# 34 7/11/2009 at 18:54 (5,396 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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| Post# 363418 , Reply# 35 7/12/2009 at 12:24 (5,395 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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