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New Speed Queen Front Loader Features a Heater
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Post# 69497   6/6/2005 at 23:34 (6,869 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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This was over on THS.

It seems SQ has redesigned some of their "Commercial HomeStyle" washers and now offer a front loader with both rear and front controls with a water heater. SQ claims the heater will boost hot water to 140F.

See manual below:

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Post# 69614 , Reply# 1   6/8/2005 at 19:20 (6,867 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
S/Q F/L

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OOOOH a users' manual!
I have my reading cut-out for me tonight.

Thank you!

BTW who is SQ these days? Maytag?


Post# 69615 , Reply# 2   6/8/2005 at 19:22 (6,867 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
watts that?

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You KNOW I'm gonna check out the wattage on that puppy and see if this sucka needs a 15a or 20a line..or even HEAVENS TO MERGATROID... 220v. LOL

Post# 69656 , Reply# 3   6/9/2005 at 05:21 (6,867 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Steve,

Speed Queen are owned by Alliance Laundry systems, who make Unimac, Heubsch, Speed Queen etc. So they are actually made by a commercial manufacturer specialising in laundry, which IMO is one of the nice things about Speed Queens. That's also why the cycles are more "commercial like" than most other domestic frontloaders. I've linked to the Alliance website :-D.

Take care,

Jon :-)


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Post# 69664 , Reply# 4   6/9/2005 at 07:37 (6,867 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
SQ power draw

"You KNOW I'm gonna check out the wattage on that puppy and see if this sucka needs a 15a or 20a line..or even HEAVENS TO MERGATROID... 220v. LOL"


3/4 HP motor, and since one can be pretty sure it's designed for the worst case scenario of 120V 15 amp circuit, do the math to see what's left over for a heater. The specs don't specify the amp or wattage draw.


Post# 69673 , Reply# 5   6/9/2005 at 09:32 (6,867 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Good point.

Reeks of potentially wimpy, wimpy, wimpy, no?


Post# 69736 , Reply# 6   6/9/2005 at 21:01 (6,866 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Thanks Jon.

Made a good read.

Me likes SQ!


Post# 69738 , Reply# 7   6/9/2005 at 21:10 (6,866 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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These remind me so much of AMANAs.

Weren't Amana and SQ both Raytheon corp @ one time?


Post# 69739 , Reply# 8   6/9/2005 at 21:12 (6,866 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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I tawt I saw a puddy tat!
I did, I did taw a puddy tat.


I'da know I may be losing my touch. These look alike to me.


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Post# 69741 , Reply# 9   6/9/2005 at 21:24 (6,866 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
watts per horsepower

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From the web:

Incidentally, a horse is capable of generating about 5 horsepower
(as long as you don't ask it to do so for very long)

Actually, it's trivial to convert horsepower to watts; it's got one
of the best mnemonics I know:

In 1492
Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue
Divide the sonofagun by 2
For the number of watts in a horsepower (=746)

Jordin Kare


Post# 69743 , Reply# 10   6/9/2005 at 21:33 (6,866 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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120volts x 15 amps = 1,800 watts (Available)
(80%? nah.. let's not this time. LOL LOL LOL )

746 watts per hp x .75hp = 550 watts.



1,800 watts total available
less: 550 watts motor =
1,250 available for heater.


1,250 watts x 4.3 BTU/w = 5,375 BTU.

1f 60,000 Btu heats 60 gallons of water
and 50,000 Btu heats 50 gallons of water
and 40,000 Btu heats 40 gallons of water

in a typical US storage-type hot water heater,
then 5,000 Btu can heat 5 gallons of water (20 litres)

HMMM this may actually work! Casue IMHO 5 gal is about a F/L water fill

(Std. bucket of water is 2 gallons)




Post# 69745 , Reply# 11   6/9/2005 at 21:43 (6,866 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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...now if only we could find the actual @#$% wattage listed !

Post# 69749 , Reply# 12   6/9/2005 at 21:50 (6,866 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Piece of trivia if ya didn't catch it already. On the SQ FLer with theater, the machine "heats" for 50 seconds in a pause mode and tumbles for 10 seconds without the heater on. Not like other US heater frontloaders where tumbling and heating are simultaneous.

Post# 69750 , Reply# 13   6/9/2005 at 22:44 (6,866 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Oh my, that's interesting!

Post# 69766 , Reply# 14   6/10/2005 at 05:10 (6,866 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
heater cycling

Now THAT's an idea. That would allow it to stay within the circuit limitations.

Now, which do you think would be better?

Smaller wattage heater that could be on simultaneously with motor.

Larger wattage heater that would be on only during pauses.

Or would this turn out to be six of one, half a dozen of another?


Post# 69769 , Reply# 15   6/10/2005 at 06:14 (6,866 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
Forever to get a load done.

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LOL What else could F/Ls do to take even MORE time? LOL.

Did we notice that this machine washes for 9 minutes max in the regular cycle to get a 30 minute regular cycle total time?

30 mins with two rinses, but not the 3rd optional rinse.


Post# 69770 , Reply# 16   6/10/2005 at 06:20 (6,866 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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heater cycling
Larger wattage heater that would be on only during pauses--


Kinda like on the GE POS DW with a "Hot Start" option where the machine fills and heats its water while idle/silent (not recirculting water). This is a genius way o boos performance at no extra mfg cost and keepingthe machine silent as long as possible.

Perhaps the method Bob /Appnut describes above could be used as a prelude to a regular action cycle. Even better make the above a prewash (then spin) and get into a wash with fresh detergent!


Post# 69964 , Reply# 17   6/12/2005 at 04:07 (6,864 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
FL cycle times to heat water

"LOL What else could F/Ls do to take even MORE time? LOL."

To be fair, it's really the fault of our electrical system rahter than FL machines themselves. Being "first on the block" in inventing something can have it's drawbacks, i.e. 120 vs 220 volts, NTSC vs PAL, as the infrastructure becomes too big to change.


Post# 72017 , Reply# 18   7/1/2005 at 17:49 (6,844 days old) by Whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        
New Speed Queed FL - Overview

I was doing business on the other side of town today and I went in to a medium appliance store and found the new Speed Queen FL Washer. I'll give a quick run down of it:
Model: CTS90AWN
Price: $1119.00 (On Sale)

Drum: SS Perforated Drum, no tilt, very small (About
maybe 4 pair jeans worth max)

Door Opening: Tiny at best!

Size: It comes on it's own tiny pedestal, which
doesn't have a drawer in it. It's about 8"
shorter than a Whirlpool Duet on its pedestal.

Build Quality: Seems sturdier than a Duet, however the control
panel is basically a decal pasted on a strip of
vinyl that is glued to the front of the machine!
To make matters worse, on the display model it
was coming unglued and curling up at the edges.
Yes, there are four large screws on this control
panel about 2 inches in from each side, but
these are not functional, they are there for
looks, I think. Not good for a machine of this
price point.

Selling Points: Due to SQ'a comittment to the Coin Laundry
business they now bring you commercial quality
and reliability to your home.

All Metal Transmission, no plastic gears.
Stainless Steel Inner Tub and Porcelin outer
tub, not plastic like other brands.

Energy Star Rated. The saleman said it uses
less water than a Duet does (probably due to
small tub size) but washes the same way.

Easy To Use Control Panel. Basically two dials
and a start button. You get to decide what Wash
/Rinse temperature YOU want for each cycle.
Left knob controls wash/rinse temps, right knob
selects fabric types (Speeds) and there is an
xtra rinse button as well as a start button.
That's it! I like the idea of being able to
select the water temps you want rather than
being programed into the cycle type.

Metching Dryer: Standard Drum size, large door opening. Same
exterior size as Washer, so they look matched.
Smooth Stainless Steel Drum.

When doing a side by side comparison with a Whirlpool Duet and a Bosch Nexxt, both the Duet and the Nexxt had really large drums and door openings. The Bosch seemed to be the sturdiest
of them all with the SQ close behind.

Yes, Amana and SQ used to both be Raytheon companies, but a few years ago I read somewhere that they sold off Amana, and I think even though it wasn't mentioned I think at that time they sold off SQ too. In fact back in the early 90's, Wards carried both Amana and SQ. They were identical machines except for a few decorative changes on the control panel. I almost bought one, but we got a better deal on the Whirlpool set from an appliance store.
Has anyone used one of these new Speed Queens yet?


Post# 72018 , Reply# 19   7/1/2005 at 18:03 (6,844 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
Amana and Speed Queen

Amana ended up with Maytag, Speed Queen went to Alliance Laundry Systems

Post# 72081 , Reply# 20   7/2/2005 at 10:11 (6,844 days old) by jimmyb (Texas Y’all)        
I have the ATS90

Whirlcool:

I have the rear control version of the Speed Queen. When I got it March I was also looking at the CTS90 with the front control but opted for the rear due to being priced less and the design/look. The control panel on mine is fine and nothing like the front control model in which I did not like the screws or the vinyl type overlay.

As far as capacity it is quite large, Speed Queen says 3.3 cu ft and energy star says 2.84 cu ft where as Whirlpool is saying the Duet is 3.8 cu ft and energy star says 3.3 cu ft. Either way Whirlpool is saying it can hold 18 pairs of jeans (various sizes of course) in this scenario I equate the Speed Queen can probably hold 15 pairs not 4 - just joking :). Anyways looks are deceiving as the opening and door are smaller the tub is not as tiny as you may think. Due to the horizontal tub the opening is smaller so the water level stays below it. They are able to get around this on the tilted tub models making them look so much larger.

I used to have an Asko set and would say I was disappointed with capacity and cycle time on the washer and capacity on the dryer. The Speed Queens are great all around machines and there cleaning capability meets my needs. I do pre-treat stains and such as needed. Although with my Asko set if I did not pre treat I was still probably ok as the wash started with cold water and then heated throughout the cycle not setting stains.

All and all I am very happy with them.

I have added the energy star link which is quite interesting.

Hope this gives you a little more info on them!

Thanks - Jim


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Post# 72096 , Reply# 21   7/2/2005 at 14:35 (6,844 days old) by Whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

I would seriously consider the SQ Front Load models. To tell you the truth, the ONLY things I didn't like was the glued on control panel and the small door opening. I think at this price point the control panel should be laminated or even painted on. I especially liked the fact that SQ uses metal gearing and a steel outer tub.
I think before I bought a Front Loader, I would want to try one out first. I like having my clothes really tumbled in deep water.
I like the concept behind the front loaders, but I would actually want to see how things come out.


Post# 73952 , Reply# 22   7/17/2005 at 08:59 (6,829 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Prompt a video?

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If anyone having one of these Speed Queen front loaders could take and post a brief video of the washing action, I would be most interested.

MRB


Post# 74020 , Reply# 23   7/17/2005 at 19:13 (6,828 days old) by Bearpeter ()        
Not impressed!

Sorry guys, but after reading the owners manual of the programmes and their timings, I just do not see how these can be at all efficient!!
9 m inutes of tumbling for a cottons wash is completely pathetic, in my opinion. My AEG takes a good hour for wash portion only on a 60* cottons cycle. The results are amazing but these wash times for the SQ are just like the ones in the laundromat i used to visit many years ago. If there was a bit of dirt on the collar of a shirt, it was still there after the wash cycle.

Sorry to sound critical but I just do not see how these machines could ever deal with anything than clothes needing refreshed!

By the way, this site is soooo cool. I visit it every day in my lunch hour!!!! The IT guys who monitor our usage of the internet must think I am some goof ball!!!!



Post# 74025 , Reply# 24   7/17/2005 at 19:38 (6,828 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Short Cycle Times

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Are one fo the chief turn offs for the SQ front loaders.

Lack of a pre-wash/soak cycle and other cycle limitations are other reasons why these units are not flying off sales floors despite their "commercial laundry" construction.

Previous incarnations of SQ's "Homestyle" line features washers that had pre-wash/soak cycles and a more traditional control panel. For some reason when SQ re-entered the residential market it redesigned the units and we now see the results.

Considering the price, SQ washers lack many of the features a Bosch "Nexxt" washer offers, and the Nexxt washers are pretty much up there in terms of build quality and have offer a heater that works in all cycles.

Like others, one really likes the capacity and build quality of the SQ front loaders, but those short cycle times and lack of cycles are too huge a problem. One could stand there and manually reset cycles to attain the desired results, but whom always has that kind of time?

SQ's rationale for short cycle times is that it prevents soil from being redeposited onto laundry. They further state that the strong washing action of their front loaders means cycle times do not need to be long. Have not used or even seen a home style unit but the laundromat SQ front loaders tend to really slap laundry around, especially when not overloaded.

Finally SQ's have some unique features that probably enchance or at least try to compensate for short cycle times. For one even though these washers do have a pump, it will switch off every now and then during draining and let gravity take over. In theory this should lessen the chance of "suds-lock" and the drum having to slow down during spinning because it is choking on too much water/suds.

IIRC the SQs also have a rinsing system where the tub fills while the pump is open a few times. Again this comes from commercial laundromat washers, and not certian if the homestyle line has it on all models.

If SQ dropped the price down to around $800 I'd nab one, cycles be damned. But for $1300 or more, that is too dear for a very basic front loader.

Launderess


Post# 74231 , Reply# 25   7/19/2005 at 10:53 (6,827 days old) by bearpeter ()        
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heeeeoooooogely over priced at 1300 dollars!!!!!


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