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Post# 364459   7/16/2009 at 07:59 (5,391 days old) by bwoods ()        

Purchased this at a thrift store, last night.

Please see the attached string of pictures, that the store had posted on Craigslist. This is an unusual control panel I havae never seen on a Frigidaire. The model is WS. Anyone know approximately when it may have been manufactured? (It is actually white in color, but looks almond in the picture.)

Will attach more photos.





Post# 364481 , Reply# 1   7/16/2009 at 08:41 (5,391 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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1979

Post# 364484 , Reply# 2   7/16/2009 at 08:47 (5,391 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Was that the last of the line?

Post# 364502 , Reply# 3   7/16/2009 at 09:39 (5,391 days old) by bwoods ()        
close up 1

combining the threads

the control panel


Post# 364503 , Reply# 4   7/16/2009 at 09:40 (5,391 days old) by bwoods ()        
anaother close up

control panel view 2

Post# 364504 , Reply# 5   7/16/2009 at 09:41 (5,391 days old) by bwoods ()        
close up 3

tub...

Post# 364506 , Reply# 6   7/16/2009 at 09:43 (5,391 days old) by bwoods ()        
and some help please

Since I just brought this home last night, I haven't had a chance to play around with it yet.

When I asked the owner of the thrift store to plug it in, it would not spin (but it tried). He reached in pulled the agitator up and twirled it. It did take off and spin then. I assume, however, that under a full load it may not spin. Any suggestions?

Do any of you have a model with this control panel configuration? I assume the rinse default mode is warm for all cycles, since there is a dedicated cold water control.

What about a hot wash. Would this occur on the regular "colorfast" setting?

Anyone have a clue what the "special" does?

(sorry for spreading this out over several threads previously)


Barry


Post# 364520 , Reply# 7   7/16/2009 at 10:18 (5,391 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Yes, this was the last year. There is also a Custom Deluxe model that has the "squared" timer graphics.

Post# 364521 , Reply# 8   7/16/2009 at 10:19 (5,391 days old) by mixguy (St. Martinville, Louisiana)        
Check under the lid

Read the chart printed on the underside of the lid. The chart tells wash/rinse temperatures and agitation/spin speeds for each of the 6 fabric setting.

Post# 364524 , Reply# 9   7/16/2009 at 10:25 (5,391 days old) by bwoods ()        
thanks

Thanks, Russell. I haven't even had a chance to look under the lid yet.

Post# 364527 , Reply# 10   7/16/2009 at 10:31 (5,391 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Very nice looking washer - that shiny basket looks mint!

You may have a problem with the clutch/spin roller assembly if it won't start spinning on its own. Start by cleaning the rollers with lighter fluid and see how it works then. There are adjustments that can be made to the clutch, it sounds more intimidating than it really is. There are repair manuals for the 1-18 machines periodically on ebay, might be a good idea to buy one to have.

Great thrifting find - congrats!


Post# 364531 , Reply# 11   7/16/2009 at 10:40 (5,391 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
congratulations

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I have this exact machine. The instructions and breakdown of speeds and water temps is printed on the inside of the lid.

Colorfast is HOT/WARM, regular agitate and fast spin.
Non-Colorfast is WARM/WARM, regular agitate and fast spin.
Special is WARM/WARM, slow agitate and fast spin.
Cold wash and rinses are chosen with the COLD WATER selector.

I'll let you read the rest from the lid. It's a great washer and I use it all the time. It should be a 1976 model.

If it has sat for a while that may be why it had trouble spinning. Try running it a few times and see if it goes back to normal. You can take the front panel off and clean the roller surfaces with butane lighter fluid and that may help too.


Post# 364532 , Reply# 12   7/16/2009 at 10:41 (5,391 days old) by bwoods ()        
Thanks for the tip

Thanks! Will try the lighter fluid first. Hope that does the trick.

Post# 364567 , Reply# 13   7/16/2009 at 13:10 (5,390 days old) by autowasherfreak ()        

I wish I could find something like that in one of my local thrift stores. I did find a nice GE Filter Flow the Salvation Army thrift store. Buy the time I found someone with a truck it was gone.

Look like a great machine, good luck with it!


Post# 364581 , Reply# 14   7/16/2009 at 13:57 (5,390 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

You have to move very quickly on these thrift store finds. That's how I acquired my belt-drive Whirlpool portable. On the clutch adjustment, I'd really like to know how that's done, so I can see if tightening the one on Alice might help him get up to speed quicker. Otherwise, I cleaned his rollers with alcohol and it seems to have helped. I take him out for a run at least once per week to keep him exercised.

The Frigidaire 1-18 is my favorite machine. They make a sound like no other, and they are very effective. Some might say that the market is saturated, but I'm willing to bet otherwise. Who wouldn't want one of the best top loaders ever made, and the most fun to work with? At least a few parents must have purchased these to encourage their kids to do their own laundry!

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 364642 , Reply# 15   7/16/2009 at 19:19 (5,390 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)        
Spin problem

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You may also try checking the belt, the tightening instructions are here on this website. It's supposed to have 1" deflection.

Post# 364649 , Reply# 16   7/16/2009 at 20:03 (5,390 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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This is a partial model listing from '79, they made the WS for a few years it looks like.

Post# 364657 , Reply# 17   7/16/2009 at 20:46 (5,390 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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I would also check the motor mounts. they can loosen and cause belt slippage. that was the problem with Thomas' famous Alice.

It also makes me curious about the 1-18 I got from my mentor in Cleveland. It has an odd faceplate. matt


Post# 364729 , Reply# 18   7/17/2009 at 00:29 (5,390 days old) by soberleaf ()        
75 bucks was a good price

i'll buy it for 300 if you want to sell

Post# 364761 , Reply# 19   7/17/2009 at 06:08 (5,390 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Nice machine!

On that vintage Frigidaire, the first number in the serial number is the model year.


Post# 364766 , Reply# 20   7/17/2009 at 06:15 (5,390 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Love the options on these models. Very very fun washers - congrats!

Ben


Post# 364809 , Reply# 21   7/17/2009 at 09:02 (5,390 days old) by bwoods ()        
Thanks for the information

Thanks, all, for the helpful tips.

Oddly enough, when I ran a load through it last night, it agitated and spun perfectly. As Patrick said, apparently it had just sat idle too long. However, per your suggestions, I will go ahead and clean the rollers and check the belt tension as a precaution.

Barry







Post# 364857 , Reply# 22   7/17/2009 at 13:20 (5,389 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        

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Barry,

Glad to hear all is well now. I had one that had sat unused for a year and when I first used it it wouldn't spin. Once I got it going it didn't have any more problems.

So what is the first number of your serial number on the data tag?



Post# 364909 , Reply# 23   7/17/2009 at 16:08 (5,389 days old) by bwoods ()        
serial number

Thanks, Patrick.

The serial# is 61EE 2077

Barry


Post# 364949 , Reply# 24   7/17/2009 at 17:57 (5,389 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Interesting, guess my serial number source was wrong...

Post# 365017 , Reply# 25   7/17/2009 at 22:02 (5,389 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
goatfarmer

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Your serial number info is correct. His particular machine was made in 1976 even though there are identical looking models thet were made later. It looks from Gansky's manual that later years added a suffix after the WS.

Post# 365689 , Reply# 26   7/20/2009 at 15:05 (5,386 days old) by cornutt (Huntsville, AL USA)        

They actually made a model that was called the WCI? That's a little scary, considering.

Post# 365868 , Reply# 27   7/21/2009 at 08:55 (5,386 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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what year did the 1-18's roll off the line?

Post# 365939 , Reply# 28   7/21/2009 at 12:54 (5,386 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        

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They were made from 1970 to 1979 and then WCI acquired Frigidaire and the rest is history.

Post# 365946 , Reply# 29   7/21/2009 at 14:10 (5,385 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Frigidaire!

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They were made from 1970 - 1980
GM shutdown Frigidaire on December 26th, 1980
The appliances were still being made by GM for awhile after WCI purchased Frigidaire. The origional intention was for wci to make everything, but it all backfired. WCI was a bunch of idiots. I also remember whenn it all actually happened it was just after John Lennon was killed. Even though so many companies have become very cheap and have made many bad business decisions nothing can ever compare or be as bad as to what happened to frigidaire.
I am attachiong a article I got that was in our archives about the demise of gm frigidaire:

Bob Connor from Pittsburgh, PA sez...
Destroying electric cars seems like an act only a stupid company would do but this is not the first time GM made a good product that they didn't want to public to keep. I know some people who have a hobby of collecting and restoring home appliances. I don't buy the argument from GM that nobody would make parts for the EV1s that people wanted to buy. Until 1980 GM had their home appliance division, Frigidaire. GM Frigidaire kitchen and laundry appliances were among the most innovative made at the time and usually of high quality, some are still going today. No, you cannot get parts for GM Frigidaire appliances now and today GM pretends that they never existed (Today's Frigidaire appliances are made by another company and are considered a "budget" brand). Oh, BTW, GM shut down Frigidaire on December 26, 1980 so the employees in Dayton got unemployment for Christmas. What I am saying is that this is a much bigger blunder than getting rid of Frigidaire and GM deserves to go bankrupt because of it. I cannot figure out who in their right mind would buy Anything from this company. The only reason I think they do well in the Pittsburgh area: We have a lot of seniors who have good memories of the Chevys and Buicks they drove in the 50s, and a lot of funeral homes that like Cadillac. GM also screwed up when they wanted people to get an expensive charger for the car. Why could an electric car not be recharged by a 220 volt electric dryer outlet found in most homes? That way you would recharge after doing the laundry! Even if you didn't have this outlet an electrician could add one for about 200 dollars. But please don't charge near that much for the DVD, charge less than most movies as the message is more important than the one about the "Lake House".


Post# 365964 , Reply# 30   7/21/2009 at 15:41 (5,385 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

It really blows my mind that Frigidaire was able to even survive under WCI. They made junk until they were acquired by Electrolux in 1986. The only salvation that division had left was their refrigerators and freezers, until that production got shut down and moved to Mexico. With the current Frigidaire front loader problems, maybe it would be better for Electrolux to kill off the brand entirely.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 366157 , Reply# 31   7/22/2009 at 09:03 (5,385 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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There is a large collection of Frigidaire documentation at Wright University in Dayton, I would love to go dig through this for a while and watch some of the tapes and films from Frigidaire's glory days. The link is a PDF list of the contents of the collection and a good summary of the history from the beginnings to the end in January, 1979.

All of the correspondence, GM Tech-Talk service manuals and even the Frigidairian Newsletter for employees ended in 1979 with WCI documentation and model introductions coming out in August of 1979. Some of the Frigidaire & GM employee blog postings I've found all date the Frigidaire factories shut down in 79 with the exception of the Dayton factory which was retooled to make GM trucks, the first one rolling off the line in January of 1981. Given that it takes a long time to retool a factory from making appliances to making vehicles, 1979 would have been the last year of production for Frigidaire appliances. I'm not sure where the Pittsburg person got that information, but it seems to be a bit off. About 2/3 of the Frigidaire employees were retained in the truck manufacturing plants so the job losses to the Dayton area in 1979 when the Frigidaire plants closed were harsh but not devastating as they were in 2008/09 when GM closed that factory in Dayton.

Here is a NYT article on the announcement of the sale to WCI. The article doesn't mention that 1978 losses on $450 million in sales were $40 million which prompted the quick sale to WCI in a time of increasing import competition in the auto industry. Though Frigidaire enjoyed the reputation of quality and innovation in appliances for many years, their profits never made them an outstanding performer in GM's portfolio of companies.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO gansky1's LINK


Post# 366218 , Reply# 32   7/22/2009 at 12:08 (5,385 days old) by bwoods ()        
Frigidaire memorabilia/trivia

Wright State University is my employer. (At least for another week and a half, as I am retiring from the position of Asst. Chair of the Electrical Engineering Department, July 31st.)

We do have a large collection of Frigidaire materials as well as original written notations, diaries and photographs of the Wright Brothers.

My brother-in-law worked at the Frigidaire refrigerator plant in Dayton and Moraine (employed in 1966). He did cabinet assembly and then later was moved to compressor production. (He did a short stint as a substitute on the washing machine assembly line for a very short line, also.)

After Frigidaire was sold, he was moved to the automotive air conditioning compressor assembly plant. GM ultimately changed the name from Frigidaire to Harrison Radiator.

Other than Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Frigidaire/GM was the largest employer in the Dayton, Ohio area.

My particular interaction with GM, as a graduate student in the early 80's , was not good. I did my thesis study of "The Use of Specific Conductance as a Measure of Ground Water Contamination."

Frigidaire had an open dump at the Moraine plant and had placed excess paint, solvents, cleaners,lubricants, damaged appliance parts, etc into it for over 30 years and then covered it over with dirt in the very early 1970's.

The dump was across the street from the City of Moraine public water supply well field.

As you may have guessed, the pumps at Moraine were pulling in a plume of contaminants from Frigidaire. The city water was becoming laced with boron, benzene, and many VOC's, as well as other chemicals too numerous to mention here.

The City of Moraine contracted Wright State to Study the situation and make recommendation for remediation. (They did not bother GM or try to sue them as you don't want to offend your single largest employer in the city.)

Frigidaire/GM would not cooperate with us and would not allow me onto their property to drill a monitoring well. So we drilled one about two inches outside of their fence. My water samples from the aquifer were about the color of apple cider, smelled like lighter fluid and developed a head when shook up (due to detergents in the water).

Of course by the time time the plume reached the city wells, it was diluted enough that it was clear, but our lab samples indicated many contaminants well beyond EPA limits present in the public water supply.

To make a very long story short, we basically recommended to Moraine they could do nothing but shut down their wells (which they did and tied into the City for Dayton for their water supply).

My brother-in-law was working at the Moraine plant at the time I was doing the study. We found that GM was using wells on their own property for their internal water supply of the plant, including the drinking fountains for employees.

These wells were in very close proximity to the land-fill.
(Needless to say, my brother-in-law warned many of his co-workers to not drink out of the fountains.)

Compressor production has now stopped and the part of the plant converted to SUV assembly has now also been shut down.

It is very sad, and gives me an empty feeling in the pit of my stomach, as I drive by and see abandoned buildings with acres of empty parking lots with weeds growing up through cracks in the asphalt.

Most of the building in downtown Dayton have been razed. Including Frigidaire's first administrative building, which was one of the first commercial building in the world to be air conditioned.

We had an appliance dealer, Roberds, that at the time, sold exclusively Frigidaire Appliances. The store was located near the Moraine plant, in West Carrolton, and had a tremendous business selling to the Frigidaire employees, whom received a discount on all Frigidaire Appliances (and GM cars) provided by General Motors to its employees.

Roberds is now bankrupt, Frigidaire is gone, Moraine Assembly has vanished and what remains of GM's Delphi plants in Dayton are in trouble.

People like all of you who collect and restore Frigidaire appliances, keeping a part of our heritage alive, are the bright side of a dreary picture.

So keep on....!

Barry



Post# 366270 , Reply# 33   7/22/2009 at 15:06 (5,384 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
GM made a stupid move, even if Frigidaire was losing money!

All I know is this: My Kenmores don't work as well with the current HE detergents lining the store shelves. I can't rinse the smell of Cheer HE Liquid out well enough to not cause a headache. The only other option I have is to buy these scent-free bio-liquids that still leave my cloths smelling like a landfill. I really can't help what I have to do for an income supplement; I do salvaging because it's really the only way I have enough money left to buy food. I will continue to buy regular powdered detergents while they are still available, because that's all that works for my daily drivers.

My 1-18, on the other hand, can at least make some use of these HE liquids. And it can rinse them out well enough to where the smell is not too overbearing. I may be forced to put Alice into daily use if I can no longer buy the products that work for my Kenmores. And if I can't get parts to maintain my 1-18, then I may end up sourcing out my laundry instead. I am not going to waste my money on a trashy Cabrio or Duet. And I certainly won't buy anything from Electrolux; I don't care who sings praises to their products. They're all junk, in my opinion!

NorfolkSouthern



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