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Post# 70126   6/13/2005 at 18:53 (6,862 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Hi Everyone. I met up with Holland's own Louis on Saturday! We enjoyed our Saturday doing some tourist stuff and then going to P.C. Richard's (an appliance selling chain store) where we spent house discussing those silly mistakes engineers make designing these things, as well as their brilliant inspirations. Joining us also was our own Peter (Peteski50) from Westchester County. To continue our weekend we had a little gathering at my suburban tee-pee the next day, Sunday. Some friends came by with tons of really dirty laundry (EEEEEWWWW) and we spent the day discussing appliances and washing dirty clothes and debating and stuffing our pie-holes. (Well OK I did some cooking too! and if I get wind of who muttered under their breath "Look t1t$ in the oven again.." there will be H - E double-hockey-sticks to pay. LOL LOL LOL.) Back to the point... I have a friend who is kinda like a bull in a china shop who stuck his laundry into my Frid-ge-more and overloaded it to the point that the door was ready to bust open and it was kinda of sticking out at the bottom. There was a drop or two of water as the glass moved away from the boot/seal! My dear friend (damn heathen!)also tried to pull the door open while it was still locked. I lost it and shouted "WAIT!!!!" Is this what it is like when you see your dog running into the wheels of a truck? I almost cried! [No one gets to load my baby EVER anymore!] But Europeans designs being somehow indestructable and butch and rugged, it took to abuse without complaint and recovered nicely... (the machine, dear, not Louis. LOL I am hoping Louis had nothing to complain about!!!!) I am not sure, but I think Louis approves, and believes I am ready to meet the rest of the gang at the convention. I just can't ask him such a direct question. (HA!) Thank you both for a wonderful weekend. And to the other two local parties who were invited...hope to see you next time. NYC Metropolitan area NYC members (yes you.. NJ and CT) feel free to write me. I look forward to hositng again before summer ends! |
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Post# 70152 , Reply# 1   6/13/2005 at 20:16 (6,862 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 70160 , Reply# 2   6/13/2005 at 21:13 (6,862 days old) by Spiraclean (UK)   |   | |
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Hi Steve, Sadly most users in the UK overload their front loaders (Then they complain when their washing is not cleaned properly). I think because of this tendency for overloading European machines need to be fairly robust. The problem is that UK front loaders have pathetically small wash drums the largest domestic UK front loaders have a 15Lb wash capacity which means there is no room for the laundry to tumble properly. To compensate for this the wash cycle times have to be extended in order to get good cleaning results this means UK front loaders take forever to complete a cycle, a hot whites wash can take 2-3 hours depending on the household water temp. I am the proud owner of an American made Whirlpool Top Loader (240 Volts 50Hz made for the UK market), it takes an 18Lb load, washes cleaner, rinses better and the cycle times are so fast 30 mins for a hot whites wash. It is vastly superior to any of the front loaders I own including my Dyson Contra Rotator. Best Regards. Hugh |
Post# 70162 , Reply# 3   6/13/2005 at 21:24 (6,862 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 70168 , Reply# 5   6/13/2005 at 21:40 (6,862 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 70177 , Reply# 6   6/13/2005 at 22:01 (6,862 days old) by Mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 70182 , Reply# 7   6/13/2005 at 22:14 (6,862 days old) by Spiraclean (UK)   |   | |
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Hi Folks, Do the new US Super-Size Front Loaders have large wash drums with plenty of room for the laundry to tumble? When the laundry has room to tumble freely the cleaning action is greatly improved and the wash cycle time can be reduced? The problem in the UK is the cabinet size of the machine which is a standard depth height and width designed to fit under a kitchen counter; this poses problems for designers as the inner wash drum must fit into this standard cabinet size. As a result when fully loaded a 15Lb capacity machine leaves almost no room for the clothes to tumble, result long wash times are required to get the laundry clean. There is one exception to this rule the Dyson Contra Rotator (See link) which is considerably faster but still no match for the Whirlpool Top Loader on cycle times. Best Regards. Hugh CLICK HERE TO GO TO Spiraclean's LINK |
Post# 70184 , Reply# 8   6/13/2005 at 22:29 (6,862 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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ah... so are we saying women like really big loads, whereas men prefer to do smaller loads more frequently? LOL So after lusting after Laundress' twin-tub lately, for the past few days a fried's GE filter-flow (circa early 90s) has been popping into my head for no reason. Would you believe he called me today to say it died? His tenants use it in an apt he rents in a potion of his house. --No action. I just want it! To get it all i have to do is buy a POS replacment. Will get a T/L Frigilux for <$300. Sorry to say price will dictate. LOL Then I have to get the GE machine repaired. I just dont have the patience to deal with it. Who knows, I may try. But since a GE was my first washer when I set up house in 1981, it is sweet, sweet memories! |
Post# 70187 , Reply# 9   6/13/2005 at 22:38 (6,862 days old) by Spiraclean (UK)   |   | |
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Post# 70189 , Reply# 10   6/13/2005 at 22:47 (6,862 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 70213 , Reply# 11   6/14/2005 at 01:20 (6,862 days old) by Spiraclean (UK)   |   | |
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Hi everyone, I hope I have not offended anyone? No offence was intended. I do like front loaders and I have no doubt US front loaders are superb machines. I am interested in the cycle times for US front loaders how long does the hot whites wash take? Perhaps someone could provide some info. Thanks in advance. Hugh. |
Post# 70231 , Reply# 12   6/14/2005 at 06:24 (6,862 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 70239 , Reply# 13   6/14/2005 at 07:41 (6,862 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 70249 , Reply# 15   6/14/2005 at 10:24 (6,862 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Hi Hugh, I have a 2003 Frigidaire (made by Electrolux) FL'er and it takes about 52 minutes to complete the longest cycle (which is called Whites, Heavy Soil). It has an 18 minute wash period. There is no water heater to lengthen the cycle. But if you're using a Whirlpool TL, you are used to that. It has a 2.9 cubic ft. drum. I'm going to buy the newly redesigned Frigidaire FL'er, with a 3.5 cubic ft. wash drum. The length of the whites cycle on that one is 54 minutes. Again, no water heater. |
Post# 70253 , Reply# 16   6/14/2005 at 10:59 (6,862 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 70254 , Reply# 17   6/14/2005 at 11:01 (6,862 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 70255 , Reply# 18   6/14/2005 at 11:02 (6,862 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 70256 , Reply# 19   6/14/2005 at 11:05 (6,862 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 70279 , Reply# 23   6/14/2005 at 16:50 (6,861 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 70281 , Reply# 24   6/14/2005 at 16:56 (6,861 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 70282 , Reply# 25   6/14/2005 at 17:00 (6,861 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Quote: but I hate to disappoint you in that there isn't enough room for two!! LOL Is that an invitation? If it is, hold that thought till you are firmly entrenched in your 22nd year. HA! There are two ways to a man's heart. You'll have to ask Peter and Louis ....I can definitely cook (in the kitchen). LOL ROLF LMAO. |
Post# 70293 , Reply# 26   6/14/2005 at 18:31 (6,861 days old) by Spiraclean (UK)   |   | |
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Hi Folks, Thanks everyone for your input. From what is being said it does appear that US front loaders are indeed much faster and considerably larger than their European counterparts. Yes indeed frigilux the Whirlpool top loader has no internal water heater whereas virtually all UK front loaders do have internal water heaters and of course this does lengthen the cycle times. Jon, I like your superb Miele Honeycomb Care machine and I am delighted to hear that you do not overload it. The front loader that takes so long for me is the Hotpoint Ultima 1600 Super Silent which I bought because of its brushless induction motor which is indeed very quiet. The standard hot whites cycle times on this machine vary with load size and incoming water temp but the cycle is always a minimum of two hours. I also own a Dyson Contra Rotator which does complete a 7Kg whites load at 85ºC in 70 minutes and provides superb cleaning. I think you would like the Whirlpool top loader there is nothing quite like an agitator machine washing but I would say it is a bit too big for a bedroom. Steve, 3 machines wide is enough room to put a mattress on top. Now there’s a great idea 3 machines all on a 1600 spin could be a lot of fun. LOL Regards. Hugh |
Post# 70333 , Reply# 28   6/14/2005 at 21:08 (6,861 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Did I mention that most of the wash was done at ATC -cold (Automatic Temperature Control) so the incoming cold water was tempered with some hot. Louis shook his head at disbelief at the low temperatures we use here. Ah do you guys wanna S _ _ T yourselves? (This one is for you Laundress, and for you Venus so LISTEN UP *LOL*) I received a most gracioius set of gifts. Dutch powdered laundry detergent, Zeolite, phospates and all. And just to cover the rest of the bases, a HUGE vial of Holy Water from a religious site in Holland. I SO KID YOU NOT. Trying to tell me something Louis? LOL ROLF LMAO. Many have tried to purge the demonic.. few have succeeded. |
Post# 70342 , Reply# 30   6/14/2005 at 21:52 (6,861 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 70392 , Reply# 31   6/15/2005 at 09:36 (6,861 days old) by Spiraclean (UK)   |   | |
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Hi Jon, You’re a man after my own heart, a perfectly loaded machine and not even a fingerprint on the chrome door. I don’t like the Hotpoint, it is way to slow for my liking it lacks quality, although its induction motor is very quiet and smooth it is not enough to compensate for the flaws. I have had it for 6 weeks now so probably to late to return it. The Dyson although rare looking to say the least is a truly superb design and very well made, it has the best spin efficiency of all my washers including my Hotpoint Supermatic De Luxe Twin Tub which spins at 3100 RPM. The Dyson washes superbly with fast cycle times and is very quiet on top spin; you do hear the gearbox when its contra rotating but its not noisy as such just sounds a bit unusual. All the best. Hugh |
Post# 70428 , Reply# 33   6/15/2005 at 15:16 (6,860 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 70620 , Reply# 36   6/17/2005 at 02:25 (6,859 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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The rule of thumb when loading a FL is (according to a very dominant German trainer from Siemens in the 80`s) was to load cottons to the top of the drum with space to slide your hand over the laundry at the top of the drum. When washing mixed yarns, man made fabrics etc fill to the 3/4 drum size. When washing woolens / delicates 1/4 drum size no more than 3 large woolens etc.. works every time... |
Post# 70624 , Reply# 37   6/17/2005 at 05:40 (6,859 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 71355 , Reply# 38   6/23/2005 at 14:44 (6,852 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 71670 , Reply# 39   6/28/2005 at 03:35 (6,848 days old) by hooverac216 ()   |   | |
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i can it was a titan&the drum was also a washing basket oh by the way has anybody killed one by over loadingi would like to know |
Post# 71678 , Reply# 40   6/28/2005 at 06:35 (6,848 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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