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Post# 371463   8/12/2009 at 07:16 (2,812 days old) by turquoisedude (Ogden & St-Liboire (where??), QC, Canada)        

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Wow - we had the same dishwasher when I was a brat, but in a portable model! It replaced the ol' Viking top-loader in 1979 and it was in use right up until my father sold his farm in Western Ontario in 2006...
The machine cleaned wonderfully, but I think it may have been one of the noisiest damn dishwashers I have used and that includes the MobileMaid!! lol





Post# 371478 , Reply# 1   8/12/2009 at 09:47 (2,812 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Boy howdy, it wasn't exactly frugal with water, was it? 17.5 gallons for the normal cycle? My LG, by comparison, uses 3.6-5 gallons and cleans very well. Not in 60 minutes, granted.

A cool---and you're right, noisy---vintage machine!


Post# 371482 , Reply# 2   8/12/2009 at 10:00 (2,812 days old) by turquoisedude (Ogden & St-Liboire (where??), QC, Canada)        

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Oh boy, I remember reading about the water usage of the GE Potscrubber in the Consumer Reports magazine - they rated it as the most expensive machine to use in terms of overall energy costs because of how much hot water it went through! I think a KitchenAid model was the 'Recommended Buy' back in '79 but around here, the KA ran like $850 and we were able to pick up the GE from Eatons (thanks to employee discounts) for $480.

Post# 371494 , Reply# 3   8/12/2009 at 11:04 (2,812 days old) by scott55405 ()        

That sounds about right Frigilux. I don't know if it's only BOL models, which I had in a few rentals, but it always seemed to me like GE/Hotpoint dishwashers of the past spent an inordinate amount of time filling and draining. KAs and I suppose others used a lot of water too, but they didn't seem to change as often.

My aunt, also on a farm, had a portable GE for years and was pleased with its performance. She replaced it with a KA Superba portable at the end of its life.

The new dws mostly do a good job from what I've seen/experienced and are good for the environment, but at some point I wonder about the tradeoff with those never-ending cycles. To me that cuts into the convenience factor of having a d/w after a while.



Post# 371499 , Reply# 4   8/12/2009 at 11:38 (2,812 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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We had the machine on the right in our house in Denver, which we built in summer 1977. My mom previously had left a built-in KDS-17 in Michigan, which she loved. The builder's appliance supplier didn't carry KitchenAid and to get another comparable Superba was going to cost too much $$ so my folks went with the Potscrubber 950 instead.

We loved it. Surprisingly, even in water stingy Denver, we never complained about that water use, but we never rinsed our dishes and it never failed us. What my mother missed most about that machine was the forced air drying, which we could hear running. When we came to Charlotte and our house had a 1983 Potscrubber 900, we were sure the fan wasn't working, until we learned it didn't have one.

Mom still misses fan drying to this day. I enjoyed the machine as every once in a while when nobody else was home, I'd reverse the panels and put the Almond away in favor of Coppertone, Avocado, etc. and see how long it took for anyone to notice. One time we went overnight before someone saw the gold.


Post# 371502 , Reply# 5   8/12/2009 at 11:57 (2,812 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

Those were about some of the finest dishwashers GE ever made. To this day, I never understood why they abandoned that three spray arm design in favor of the dopey pop up tower. Those machines could clean anything, and left no deposits behind.

Post# 371505 , Reply# 6   8/12/2009 at 12:06 (2,812 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Yes I like these model with the 3 spray arms as opposed to the tower. Amazing that when a company comes out with something good they screw up a good design. Why they never kept enhancing the design is beyond belief. But typical for USA industry.
Peter


Post# 371523 , Reply# 7   8/12/2009 at 13:07 (2,812 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
But it did have forced air drying!

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Under the Power Saver caption, it mentions that you can turn off the heat during the forced air drying cycle.

Looks just like a KitchenAid - it's uncanny isn't it? This heater module is at the front of the machine instead of the back like KA.




Post# 371524 , Reply# 8   8/12/2009 at 13:11 (2,812 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Ok, I'll post pics of the whole machine...

This is one of the many, many cool dishwashers at John Lefever's warehouse in Maryland. I took these over July 4 weekend when we were out there. Sorry about the glare, but it was up at eye level and the lighting wasn't great for no-flash snapping.


Post# 371526 , Reply# 9   8/12/2009 at 13:11 (2,812 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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controls left


Post# 371527 , Reply# 10   8/12/2009 at 13:12 (2,812 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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controls right


Post# 371528 , Reply# 11   8/12/2009 at 13:14 (2,812 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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lower tank

Post# 371529 , Reply# 12   8/12/2009 at 13:14 (2,812 days old) by turquoisedude (Ogden & St-Liboire (where??), QC, Canada)        
OOH! A China/Crystal cycle!

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That was the model that had some kind of aeration system to 'soften' the water spray wasn't it??
IIRC there were Inglis (alien-universe Whirlpool) models that had a two-speed motor for a less-intensive china/crystal wash.


Post# 371530 , Reply# 13   8/12/2009 at 13:15 (2,812 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Now this is way cool - check out the telescoping feed tube for the center spray arm. This allows for tilt - adjustment of the upper rack.

Post# 371532 , Reply# 14   8/12/2009 at 13:18 (2,812 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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upper rack


Post# 371533 , Reply# 15   8/12/2009 at 13:20 (2,812 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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upper rack adjustment - Dial-a-Level

Post# 371534 , Reply# 16   8/12/2009 at 13:21 (2,812 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Door liner


Post# 371536 , Reply# 17   8/12/2009 at 13:25 (2,812 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
How it works

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for the motor-heads


Post# 371537 , Reply# 18   8/12/2009 at 13:28 (2,812 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Yeah, in the last picture you can see a small, clear hose coming out of the pump intake (black plastic elbow piece on the right side) that is connected to the switch on the panel that allows air to be drawn in which "softens" or aerates the water.

Post# 371538 , Reply# 19   8/12/2009 at 13:31 (2,812 days old) by turquoisedude (Ogden & St-Liboire (where??), QC, Canada)        

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COOL! I always wondered how they did that!! Thank you for that information!

Post# 371548 , Reply# 20   8/12/2009 at 14:19 (2,812 days old) by revvinkevin (Between Mickey Mouse & the Queen Mary (So. Cal.)        
I never understood why they abandoned that 3 spray arm desig

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My guess is to cut manufacturing costs (isn't that ALWAYS the way it is?)

I also never liked the "pop up tower" on any brand of DW... I just didn't see how it could ever do as good a job as a regular spray arm!


Post# 371554 , Reply# 21   8/12/2009 at 14:49 (2,812 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Greg -

That is very cool, THANKS for the pics. It was January 1983 when I last saw our dishwasher. Ours had a different door liner panel though - that much more closely resembled the later potscrubbers with the round detergent cup. It had a green handle/lever on it that matched the color of the racks. This one looks much more like the detergent cup used in GE's 1970s porcelain tub models, does it not?

All -

The user could depress the China/Crystal cycle at any time during operation, and the sound of the water would change almost immediately to a much softer or gentler operation. My mother loved that too. She had two Potscrubber 900s (the second one lasted 20 years of nearly daily use) that did not have this so her POS GE Tall Tub was mandatory to have it. I think she'd rather have any of the Potscrubbers back. Maybe one day I'll find a nice KDS-17 for her again. I think she'd actually like it.


Post# 371556 , Reply# 22   8/12/2009 at 14:50 (2,812 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I never liked any sort of tower in the bottom rack because it messed with loading flexibility. I had a portable Whirlpool for nearly two years back in the mid-'80s and while it cleaned well, I used to curse the tower in the middle of the lower rack every time I used it.

Post# 371588 , Reply# 23   8/12/2009 at 17:31 (2,812 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan)        

Interesting, never thought there was an "interim" design between the original Plastisol ones and the full-on plastic Permatuf (round dispenser). This looks like a Plastisol door and Permatuf tub. Also always assumed the china/crystal cycle limited fill (rather than anything more active) so there was cavitation. Wonder if these came from Louisville or Chicago/Milwaukee?

Post# 371609 , Reply# 24   8/12/2009 at 20:03 (2,811 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Cool. Didn't realize a thing about the telescoping feed tube for the upper wash arm. Ahtough I briefly saw two of these 950s, never saw either one in much detail other than the door being opened and seeing it had wash arms and adjustable top rack. A friend in Atlanta Texas' mom had one and the house built next door to our lake house had one. I checked to see if there was a manual online for either the 950 or the 1050, but nothing, only a 1070, but it dind't have a cycle sequence chart. I'd love to have a 1050. I'm a sucker for rapid advance timers. Didn't realize they had forced air drying either. I more than toleerated the towers. The rack arrangement with that was just such pure classic GE, I wouldn't know how to deal with the full wash arm version lol.

Post# 371699 , Reply# 25   8/13/2009 at 01:21 (2,811 days old) by bigalsf (Salt Lake City)        
Very Cool Dishwasher

I owned a 950 a while back, and currently have a 1070-3 (I believe this was the last model produced). While they do a great job at cleaning, they use a tremendous amount of water (even on Light Soil). I used mine as a daily driver for a while, but my green side made feel guilty about the water!

It's a very cool machine though; lot's of moving parts & lights. It's actually very quiet as well.

Does anyone know of a good source for parts? I would like to get a new top rack (mine's rusting) and a new control panel face (there are worn out areas over some of the buttons). I will try to post some pics of it soon.

Thank you Robert for including this in the picture rotation.


Post# 371846 , Reply# 26   8/13/2009 at 18:04 (2,811 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Wow!

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Gorgeous! How fun, I had no idea.

Post# 929440 , Reply# 27   3/28/2017 at 15:31 by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Fascinating thread, and a thought I had, brings this back from the abyss. LOL.

I wonder if these Potscrubber II machines had to use so much water because of the much longer and large distribution system.
You're filling three wash arms with water now, in addition to a long, large hose to the top, AND internal conduit in the middle, and across the upper rack, to the arm. And the arms are HUGE, and voluminous.
This dang thing probably needed at least 2.5 gallons per fill just not to simply cavitate once the system was primed.

Alas, it's too bad they didn't stick with it and attempt to improve it.


Post# 929493 , Reply# 28   3/28/2017 at 21:38 by chetlaham (United States)        
Potscrubber II

These were GE's first attempt at rivaling Maytag, Whirlpool and KA. Both in wash performance and a tub that would not rust. Sadly these were a black eye for GE. GE did not start with their BOL or MOL models, rather they basically tried to re-invent the wheel biting off more than they could chew. It lead to problems, which ultimately gave them incentive to abandon the upper arm. Granted the problems were not in the wash system itself for the most part, but enough to sour the concept. More in this thread:

www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...


Now, do I think GE should have improved on it? You bet. GE could have out done Whirlpool and others without thinking- but in truth GE has always been about the builder's market. The bulk of GE's sales- from what I've heard- were all in BOL builder machines. That is where they concentrated their core assets, and their TOL machines were just slight improvements to a design built around a BOL market. These were certainly the biggest deviation from that at the time.





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