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German Expo 2009 (Appliances)
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Post# 375085   8/27/2009 at 10:54 (5,327 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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In a couple of days, the German Expo will begin - September 4th to 9th in Berlin. Actually, this expo is all about consumer electronics but as of 2008, I think, appliance manufacturers are also represented. So, I took a little look through the press rooms of some manufacturers to see, whether they already have some info available.

MIELE - Unfortunately, all Miele have to say about this year's Expo is that their show is gonna be bigger and better than last year. No news about new appliances, really.

BOSCH/SIEMENS - Their press room does say that they have over a 100 innovations this year - but I think that includes just about any innovation they came up with this year. However, they will have some all-new appliances on show. First, their washers will finally be updated with brush-less motors. Also, they will be featuring varioPerfect technology and Anti-Vibration design. Their new TOL line up of fridges and freezer is called CoolProfessional and are of course labeled A++ for energy efficiency.

They also have new dishwashers: ActiveWater smart. 60 cm wide and either 60 or 45 cm tall. It's part of their modular design, which allows you to basically build a wall of small built-in appliances (e.g. espresso machine, steamer, speed oven...) These dishwashers hold 8 or 6 place settings respectively. The larger one with two racks even has most of the features of the full-sized machines: varioSpeed, Extra Drying, Sanitize and powerZone. However, at 1299 and 1439 Euros they are also super expensive!

Picture 1 Picture 2

AEG/ELECTROLUX - have the most informative press room so far with lots of innovations. Their revised heat-pump dryer now uses 43% less energy than what is required to get an A rating for energy efficiency - so it's a little bit more efficient than the competitors by Bosch and Miele. It has two motors so that, if you select the Wool or Silk cycles, the drum will rotate slower. Its Night Cycle is the quietest on the market. Special cycles include: Freshening, Microfibre, Mix, Viscose, Bedding, Shirts, Easy Ironing Plus, Jeans and Sports Wear. Only thing this dryer does not have is the steam feature. It retails for a whooping 1329 Euros! Dryer picture

Their CuliSense oven senses type and weight of the food you put in it (after you made some initial selections) and adjusts the cooking process by itself. Almost 3000 Euros. CuliSense picture

New cook tops have: EcoTimer to shut the heating element down some minutes before the entered cooking time ends to take advantage of residual heat. CountUp timer. OptiHeat to more precisely display the residual temp and sensors that allow you to slide your finger across the cooktop to select the heat output (Bosch calls it touchSlider and sells it for a couple of months already). Cook top pictureTheir absolute top-model even has a TFT screen! Look!

Noting much to say about dishwashers. Picture

Two new washing machines are equipped with Anti-Allergy cycles, which have an extended wash at 60*C and four rinses see here and here.

Alex





Post# 375107 , Reply# 1   8/27/2009 at 13:49 (5,327 days old) by favorit ()        
Bosch Active Water Dishwashers

Does anyone own a new Bosch/Siemens/Neff dishwasher ?
I have some curiosities about them

1) Does the "mielish" cutlery rack perform well despite it has an upper nozzle rather than a spray arm ?

2) Is the new drain pump really quiet ?

3) any impressions / comments ?

thanks in advance
Carlo



Post# 375116 , Reply# 2   8/27/2009 at 14:00 (5,327 days old) by favorit ()        
Electrolux dishwashers

Indeed I guessed this time E'lux came out with a speed-up feature as the likes of Bosch VarioSpeed and Miele Turbo ...

Both AEG and Zanussi haven't it yet, they have only that dreadful 30 minutes/ 60 C° cycle : wash and ONLY ONE rinse ... bleah !


Post# 375295 , Reply# 3   8/28/2009 at 03:57 (5,327 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Thank you Alex for sharing the information. I wish I could go! The new built in Bosch dishwasher look great, not for me though, even though I'm single I wouldn't want to give up my regular size dishwasher.

I have a soft spot for AEG washers and dryers. These washers and dryers have great features. I wish they still would be the real AEG stuff.

Carlo,

When looking at the new Bosch dishwashers in a store my impression was that the racks were sturdier built than the Miele ones. I too am looking forward to hear how these dishwashers work.


Post# 375313 , Reply# 4   8/28/2009 at 08:01 (5,327 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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1) Does the "mielish" cutlery rack perform well despite it has an upper nozzle rather than a spray arm ?

I think so - I have looked at the parts list for "old" B/S/H dishwasher with the cutlery rack and compared them to the newest version and the entire ceiling nozzle assembly is the same for all the models. So, it seems to work - compared to the original EcoLogixx/blueTherm heat-pump dryer, which had the water pump and some more parts updated because they got clogged with lint from the self-clean cycle.

2) Is the new drain pump really quiet ?

The only time our drain pump makes noise it when it pumps air, so to speak. But it's not really new: older B/S/H dishwashers already had a drain sensor.

Yes, AEG laundry appliances have lots of features and you can get them very cheap on eBay: 600 Euros for a feature-loaded model. On the other hand, Stiftung Warentest tested AEG washers last year and the outer tub started to leak on all three machines.


Post# 375333 , Reply# 5   8/28/2009 at 09:28 (5,326 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Louis, I have an AEG Bella Super which I bought in 1991. Is this the machine that you are talking about and like? Does a boil wash too.

Ray



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