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Post# 375209   8/27/2009 at 21:30 (5,345 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA )        

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Seems like GM didn't forget about Frigidaire after all.

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Post# 375231 , Reply# 1   8/27/2009 at 22:17 (5,345 days old) by steve1-18 (Grovetown (Augusta), GA)        

Wouldn't GM be surprised to see what's still around and running.

Post# 375232 , Reply# 2   8/27/2009 at 22:20 (5,345 days old) by bugsyjones ()        

Hmmm....

In these lean times, I would think that GM would want to buy the Frigidaire name back. They could pull up some extra revenue that they are losing with the low car sales.

Perhaps more people would be inclined to buy them if they were badged as "Frigidaire - By General Motors." The quality control would probably be better than it has been under such a big umbrella as Electrolux, who owns several companies. They could be built in the USA, and re-open their closed plants to manufacture appliances.

I'm not for certain on how such matters work, but it would be neat to see them reclaim Frigidaire. Like old times again.

That is probably wishful thinking.

~Tim


Post# 375241 , Reply# 3   8/27/2009 at 22:30 (5,345 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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GM is only looking to keep from being sued for injury/damage caused by a Frigidaire appliance made under their watch.

If you fire up that 1950 Frigidaire washer you found in grandma's basement, then stick your arm in and have it ripped off at the shoulder during the 1140 rpm spin cycle, you can't sue GM for producing a machine that lacked a safety lid switch.


Post# 375254 , Reply# 4   8/27/2009 at 23:04 (5,345 days old) by strongenough78 (California)        

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Honestly, I don't see how anyone can sue anybody on a 30 year old appliance. Regardless of what happens. When things get old with age, there are bound to be some problems. But, oh well. Maybe if we're lucky, they'll bring back the Unimatic, Rollermatic and Pulsamatic washers. I wonder how the agitators would look now!

Post# 375264 , Reply# 5   8/27/2009 at 23:29 (5,345 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

I'm under the impression that they are only canceling the liability part of the contract. How would this impact Electrolux, the brand's current owner? I'm assuming that these days, it's really nothing more than a label.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 375323 , Reply# 6   8/28/2009 at 09:13 (5,345 days old) by lesto (Atlanta)        

Does this mean I can hold GM responsible for the leaky bellows in my 1-18?
They real;ly would gasp if they knew how many of their old machines are still around and running (again). Robert's Frigidaire room in his basemennt would probably be enough to give them panic attacks!


Post# 375326 , Reply# 7   8/28/2009 at 09:20 (5,345 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

I think Robert and other members should send an email to GM.


Dear GM


Helloooooo yoohoooo I have lots of your machines.. lalalalala
I need some original spare parts otherwise I will have to contact my lawyers...

Have a nice day (if you can)

Best sarca... ooops, regards

Robert Seger and dozens of AW members. (including me if I win that auction in Argentina)



LOL


Post# 375327 , Reply# 8   8/28/2009 at 09:20 (5,345 days old) by hilovane (Columbus OH)        

Given the state of malaise GM is in; if they decided to, and were to succeed in getting back the FRIGIDAIRE name, and even start manufacturing their own line of appliances, who would buy them...really?

Post# 375330 , Reply# 9   8/28/2009 at 09:24 (5,345 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
... nightmare

GM replies:


Dear Mr. Seger


Unfortunately we don't have those parts available anymore, so, to guarantee your satisfaction, we decided to get all your old machines and give you high end Whirlpool top HE top loaders.


Have a nice heart attack, ooooops, I mean, day.


Post# 375352 , Reply# 10   8/28/2009 at 11:19 (5,345 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Thomas, that was funny :)))

bye, Ingemar


Post# 375359 , Reply# 11   8/28/2009 at 12:07 (5,345 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        
Wouldn't GM be surprised to see what's still around

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Hum. Maybe, maybe not. There are enough GM automotive collectors out there to warrant the notion that someone may also be collecting their appliances as well.

Unfortuantely the respect for anything other than automotive collecting isn't has popular with OEM isn't as high as we'd like. How they (GM/Ford/Mopar) profit off of selling a few dozen $10k crate engines a year is beyond me.

I want some new mechanism supports! :D (shutters to think what the molding costs would be...)

Ben


Post# 375392 , Reply# 12   8/28/2009 at 16:32 (5,345 days old) by bugsyjones ()        
who would buy them...really?

You're right. That moment has passed long ago.

I think that Frigidaire would have been pretty good appliances like they always were in the years before, had GM not sold it to White. They probably could have retained a sense of quality.

It might seem like an uncomfortable situation if GM suddenly went back in the appliance business.

~Tim


Post# 375397 , Reply# 13   8/28/2009 at 17:20 (5,345 days old) by j2400 ()        

Reading the article, it does sound like a liability of older appliance issue. Although, I am amused by this comment:
"The likelihood of anything being around after the fact, 30 years later, is pretty low," Meyer said.

I assume the "anything being around" means Frigidaire appliances. And while I haven't seen a GM Frigidaire product in years (not counting photos here), I have seen and used plenty of 30 year old plus appliances in recent months: a 40 year old Kenmore washer, a 40 year old or so Hotpoint stove, a 40 year old GE dryer. I've been able to use a 40 year old Kenmore dryer.


Post# 375400 , Reply# 14   8/28/2009 at 17:22 (5,345 days old) by j2400 ()        

And, no, I don't think GM will give a Whirlpool to replace old Frigidaires. It's more likely to be a brand new WCI Frigidaire, loaded with all the latest engineering and quality that Frigidaire name has been known for since WCI took over.

Post# 375548 , Reply# 15   8/29/2009 at 12:53 (5,344 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Hmmmm...

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"The likelihood of anything being around after the fact, 30 years later, is pretty low," Meyer said.

Heh heh heh...


Post# 375640 , Reply# 16   8/29/2009 at 22:32 (5,343 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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Like the story said, "bankruptcy is a chance to wipe the books clean of all contracts..." This contract cancellation will be the end of GM having any legal connection to their former appliance line. It seems strange since WCI does not exist anymore either. Legal wrangling.

Post# 375703 , Reply# 17   8/30/2009 at 00:18 (5,343 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

It's just a matter of time before Frigidaire folds under Electrolux. That division has never performed well, after WCI wrecked it. And now, E-Lux has been earning a bad reputation for their faulty refrigerators, with Frigidaire representing the mid to lower end products. This only makes things worse, in addition to the spider problems with Frigidaire front loaders.

My personal opinion is that it would do GM good to buy the division back, and start making quality appliances again right in Dayton, Ohio like they did before. It would offer them up the opportunity to once again polish their image as a competitive industrial powerhouse. Unfortunately, that won't happen. In addition to appliances, GM was also the largest manufacturer of railroad locomotives. They could have just as easily branched to making jet engines and even light jet aircraft, like Honda is doing now.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 375712 , Reply# 18   8/30/2009 at 04:25 (5,343 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

I am hopeful, but a vintage maytag and prolly a frigidaire weigh in at 250 lbs. It's sad but i doubt we will ever see this "build quality" again. Add to that the dept. of energy would be all over them. I plan to keep hoarding d/c tags im up to 3.

Post# 375735 , Reply# 19   8/30/2009 at 09:47 (5,343 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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NorfolkSouthern---What problems are E-Lux refrigerators having? I have two Frigidaire top-freezer refrigerators (one purchased 2002, the other 2007) and so far they've been fine; but I'd like to have a heads-up on what to look out for.

I checked Consumer Reports and Frigidaire's top-freezer models seem to be very reliable. The side-by-sides with water and ice dispensers were among the least reliable, although every brand's reliability is substantially lower in the side-by-side category.



Post# 375769 , Reply# 20   8/30/2009 at 13:22 (5,343 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
A few links regarding complaints:

www.answers.com/topic/frigidaire-...

www.ripoffreport.com/Electrolux-F...

worldofappliances.blogspot.com/20...

www.my3cents.com/search.cgiQUESTI...

www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowner...

NorfolkSouthern




Post# 375818 , Reply# 21   8/30/2009 at 18:05 (5,343 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Thanks for the links, NorfolkSourthern!

I went to the consumer affairs link and checked out the horror stories for several brands----Whirlpool, LG, and Frigidaire. Reading them made me want to throw out my appliances, get a wood-burning stove, a scrub board, and a bigger clothesline.

Lordy! Dryer fires, washers spewing water causing flood damage, refrigerators that quit after 3 months, freezers that caught fire, dishwashers that caught fire....

As they might say in a trailer for "Appliances: The Movie" NO BRAND IS SAFE!!


Post# 375839 , Reply# 22   8/30/2009 at 19:34 (5,342 days old) by steve1-18 (Grovetown (Augusta), GA)        
Dream on....

You're just wishful thinking. Do you really think the appliances would be manufactured in the USA? Not with the high cost of labor and unions. More likely "Hecho en Mexico."

Post# 375840 , Reply# 23   8/30/2009 at 19:58 (5,342 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

Wishful thinking indeed, Steve. All we have left of the economy now are Wal-Mart, real estate ponzi schemes, and health care. And one of these days, our lack of engineering and manufacturing is going to come right back and bite us on the hind end.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 375842 , Reply# 24   8/30/2009 at 20:11 (5,342 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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Be careful what you read.As far as dryer fires go,Most of them stem from customer ignorance and have nothing to do with the products manufacturing flaws.I see dryers vented up 2 stories or more and lint filters that are rarely cleaned.That's what starts fires on dryers.As well as drying clothes that have been stained with gasoline,paint thinner or oil.

Post# 375906 , Reply# 25   8/31/2009 at 06:39 (5,342 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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After my incident with Smoky The Maytag (dishwasher), I usually don't operate the dryer or dishwasher when I'm not home. I've installed a fire alarm in my laundry room and one in my kitchen.

I have fire extinguishers in the kitchen and laundry room, too.

Apart from sitting in front of the dryer in my fireman's uniform with a high pressure hose at-the-ready, I've done what I can.

:-)


Post# 375922 , Reply# 26   8/31/2009 at 09:14 (5,342 days old) by rll70sman (Hastings, Minnesota)        

Good thinking, Frigilux. I don't run my wash machine, dryer, or dishwasher when I'm not home, either. My washer rarely gets unbalanced, but if it does, it doesn't have an off-balance switch like the old Kenmores used to. It continues to jump up and down until I shut it off. That's all I need is a Mr. Mom episode in my upstairs utility room. Let's face it, laundry equipment and dishwashers are mechanical and sooner or later are going to develop problems that could be destructive if users aren't vigilant. I had a coworker who's dryer timer acted up and didn't shut off the dryer once the clothes were dry. Luckily she was home when the smoke alarms went off and she ran downstairs to find the dryer in flames. The fire department arrived and everything was okay, but it could've been disastrous if she wasn't there. So, yeah, appliance fires might occur because of carelessness but not always. Case in point, don't cook, wash or dry clothes, or run your dishwasher when you're not home to supervise.

Post# 376278 , Reply# 27   9/1/2009 at 21:47 (5,340 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

Perhaps they've been reading the posts on this website and finally realized just how much of their old stuff is still around and washing??? Hell, just look in Robert's basement.


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