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Post# 376676   9/3/2009 at 19:41 (5,338 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

OK, so my buddy the scrapper was out doing his thing, and among the stuff he picked up was this washing machine, a couple old rusted fans, and a dishwasher. More on the dishwasher later. Well, he obviously gets more from me than the metal recycler would give him, so I always get first dibs.

So, here it is, and I'm hoping you brothers in the UK can give me an idea who really made it! I'm assuming that someone made a huge blanket order of these from GE, then put their own label and model number on them.

So, what is it? A Bendix? Hotpoint? Candy? E-Lux? A whachamacallit? Help me out a little here, folks. I've never seen one of these before. And this one WORKS!

NorfolkSouthern




Post# 376677 , Reply# 1   9/3/2009 at 19:43 (5,338 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
A better look at the controls:

 Here's a closer shot of the buttons.

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 376678 , Reply# 2   9/3/2009 at 19:45 (5,338 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
The control dials...

 They're on the right, of course.

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 376712 , Reply# 3   9/3/2009 at 21:27 (5,338 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

Cool!! Does it work?

Post# 376719 , Reply# 4   9/3/2009 at 21:34 (5,338 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
Of course it does...

 I ran a short cycle, and it ran fine up until the first rinse. But then water started going on the floor! Well, I spun the thing out and shut 'er down, got the rags out and here's what I got:

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 376723 , Reply# 5   9/3/2009 at 21:38 (5,338 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
The boot gasket

 Still looks like it's in good shape. Can someone give me an idea of what I would need to do to get it properly back in place? Everything works, the timer, motor, pumps, buttons. I think if I can get that boot properly in place and the top cover cleaned up, then I got me a front loader to play with!

Oh, and when this thing fills, it fills HALF WAY UP THE DOOR, just like one of them commercial Milnor jobbers!

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 376810 , Reply# 6   9/4/2009 at 10:07 (5,337 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
Zerowatt!

 Hi, I'd say Zerowatt... an old Italian brand
Now Zerowatt applianaces are Hoover branded and that brand was a Candy group's one for a while...

Nothing else for the moment... maybe some other member will say more.

CIAO!
Diomede


Post# 376812 , Reply# 7   9/4/2009 at 10:21 (5,337 days old) by soberleaf ()        
keep pluggin away at it!

 it looks great, you prob have a fine front loader there! if it doesn't leak till the first rinse that tells me the leak is something minor, maybe a hose or pump seal, at least the bearings seem fine and the motor and tranmission working properly.

don't tell alice about this new arrival, he's very sensitive you know and will definately feel rejected! but this front loader will prob make a great machine for you!

i have a frigidaire gallery that i modified to do what i want it to and when, like fill up with water way past the factory set limit and a timer switch that i can push to turn off timer motor and extend any part of cycle. i love a front loader, i only use my rollermatic on special occasions.

also what about the dishwasher, curious what brand and how old?

good luck and have fun!

Post# 376877 , Reply# 8   9/4/2009 at 18:12 (5,337 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent)        
Could this be

an ITT washer? My grandmother has a washer that looks very similar to this model. It's over 20 years old now, but still in working order...

Post# 376888 , Reply# 9   9/4/2009 at 18:33 (5,337 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
I got the boot back on

 Both the inner and outer tub are stainless steel, as far as I can tell. When I ran this load, there were no leaks and everything was functioning properly.

Soberleaf: Alice had to do all the spin drying, because this machine just doesn't have the extraction. So, he's not jealous at all. He was quite smug, in fact!

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 376889 , Reply# 10   9/4/2009 at 18:38 (5,337 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
So here's where the fun begins!

 After I got the boot back in place with a little clamping and spring stretching, I figured I'd go for a ride. Not me, mind you, the cloths! There is actually quite a bit of water in that barrel, and the sudsing was very low with the HE detergent I was using. It also did an admirable job of flushing it all out during rinse.

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 376891 , Reply# 11   9/4/2009 at 18:45 (5,337 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
Note the water level

 During one of the flush rinses, I waited until the machine had paused before taking this shot. Note how much water these old Italian machines use during rinse. And this is the normal cycle, not bulky or specialty anything. This is where I'm beginning to understand WHY the vintage European Hoovers, Hotpoints, Indesits, and others are so well liked in the UK.

The extraction speed is not very fast, and wasn't meant to be. This is a soft mount unit, and I assume the balancing technology wasn't fully developed when this machine was new. The other possibility is that a 1,000 RPM spin speed may have been cost prohibitive, as this must have been designed for better affordability. In those days, the high-end competition was with Asko, and the lower cost goods came from Frigidaire and Frigidaire-Kenmore.

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 376898 , Reply# 12   9/4/2009 at 19:09 (5,337 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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My mid 90's Aussie Hoover did 3 rinses with intermitent spins at about that level...and my current Zanussi based machine does 2 at that level on the quick wash (3 on normal but with a lower level)

At a guess, I'm going to say that machine is rated at about 4.5kg or 10 lb.

Post# 376901 , Reply# 13   9/4/2009 at 19:19 (5,337 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

SS drum and cylinder? I'd say you got a nice machine there. Does it have a heater? Do you have any shots of the back(drum and motor)? I bet it's one of the heavier ones. It still doesn't beat my Primus machine though! (ducks and runs)

Post# 376908 , Reply# 14   9/4/2009 at 19:38 (5,337 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
First,

 I would like to thank askomiele, vivalalavatrice, soberleaf, supremewhirlpool, and ronhic for their help on the thread.

Vivalalavatrice: Someone on the modern forum mentioned the same thing as you, that it could be a Zerowatt. So, we may be getting a little closer to an identity.

Askomiele: The controls on this machine look like they have a lot of Zanussi influence. I've never heard of an ITT washer, but would certainly like to see a photo if someone has it. It also has some simularity to someone else's Hotpoint 95490, as evidenced from the photo below, which I of course can't take credit for.

Soberleaf: Yup, the leak was indeed minor. I thought for sure I was going to have to take the poor thing apart. Glad I didn't!

Ronhic: This is where the meat of this discussion is. The water level, of course. It has been my understanding that a modern HE machine would use only a fraction, with the maximum level just meeting the lower part of the boot. And this is what throws many people off with most of what's available here in the United States as far as front loaders go.

The main disadvantage of this washer is the slow spin speed. Otherwise, it cleans and rinses very well from my experience so far. The next plan for this, of course, is to start tackling the rust issue. The inner cabinet looks good, and most of the rust I see is on the surface. I suppose I could sand all that down, and then brush some white Rustoleum primer and paint to match the white cabinet. Then, when I get the inclination and funds I could go for a complete disassembly and have the whole cabinet sandblasted and refinished. But I'm not quite there yet!

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 376911 , Reply# 15   9/4/2009 at 19:52 (5,337 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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The slow spin speed just gives you an excuse to use an extractor!

Post# 376914 , Reply# 16   9/4/2009 at 19:55 (5,337 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
Supremewhirlpool:

Your Primus would eat this little critter for lunch. I am NOT going to throw it in the ring, because that would be unfair :D! Also, yes I think it does have a heater because the window felt a little hot, and I started with warm water on the first test. Also it took longer when I didn't use the economy setting.

Here's a photo of the back drum and motor. It does indeed look heavy duty. There is no plastic anyplace!

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 376916 , Reply# 17   9/4/2009 at 20:02 (5,337 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

Ronhic: The slow spin speed gives Alice (my Frigidaire 1-18) an excuse to cop his jollies. In fact, he was playing "extractor" like my sisters would play "homemaker" while I was growing up (LOL). But one of these days, I may run across one to complement this machine perfectly. I want one of those ones like at the laundromat that bolt to a cement floor!

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 376920 , Reply# 18   9/4/2009 at 20:32 (5,337 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

It's made very well alright, just look at that big motor! It may not stand up to a Primus, but it does have a lot going for it. I'm glad you didn't let it go to the trash. You have what I would call "one of those very well-built UK machines" over here in the US. I would say that it sure isn't common over here and I think it is definitely a keeper. If you want a commercial hard mount machine, I know a guy in Columbus that may be able to help you. He is a Wascomat distributor and he has his own set of laundromats. You may be able to get a W73 off him for cheap. The only issue is that they are 3 phase machines and you would either have to build a phase converter or convert the machine to single phase. Either making a phase converter or converting the machine to single phase can be done with a little work. You can buy single phase motors for these machines on Ebay and many companies still have parts for these machines even though they are about 35 years old. His machines are beat up, as you have seen the picture of mine(which I got from him). If you are interested please send me an email. I can help you with both projects, and I can show you how I built my phase converter(which I'm always trying to perfect). If you are ever wanting to get rid of the machine that you have, I will gladly make room for it here in Hamilton. Like I said you have a very nice, well-built machine. Maybe you can feature it and show it off like Robert does his Apex, which is a very unique and nice machine as well.

Post# 376922 , Reply# 19   9/4/2009 at 20:39 (5,337 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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That is one kick-butt big motor....

Induction?

You were saying that it was hooked up with a 'Y' connector. Have you tried it yet with only the cold tap turned on?

Post# 376925 , Reply# 20   9/4/2009 at 21:09 (5,337 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Could the slow spin...

 ...be down to the induction motor's pulley sticking?

Some european induction motor machines had pulleys on the motor shaft, that opened and closed depending upon the speed of the motor. The motor pulley(s) would move together by centrifugal effect, causing the belt to ride up onto a wider diameter shaft, altering the pulley ratio and thus giving a faster spin speed.

Post# 376929 , Reply# 21   9/4/2009 at 21:33 (5,337 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

I haven't tried just running cold water from the start, ronhic. For now, I'm just making sure I have the boot on correctly and that it doesn't leak. It is really made for a standard washer hookup, with both cold and hot water so I'm assuming the temperature boost is to keep the water heated, rather than heat directly from the tap. I just ran another load, and so far so good!

As for wanting a hard mount: I wasn't really being serious, supremewhirlpool. I guess that's just my sense of humor. It's a bummer I don't have the facilities! On the other hand, I sure would like to bring a huge triple loader to the apartments if I could but that would pose a safety issue with all the kids who run around here. Too many Darwin horror stories with Milnors, and that about ruins it for everybody else. And on top of that, everybody around here would want me to do their bedding for nothing. I can't say I blame them, though!

I promise you, that if I run out of space then it'll be "Lets Make A Deal!" time. But like you say, I would really like to showcase it like Robert does his Apex, as long as I am able. I can't honestly say that I ever saw one of these until I got this one. What a surprise!

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 376931 , Reply# 22   9/4/2009 at 22:05 (5,337 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

Well... a 18LB. W73 weighs about 330LB. and you do not have to bolt it down unless you would actually put clothes in it. Otherwise it will work unbolted, just a word of caution, an item as small as a rag can cause one to walk the floor during extract IF it isn't bolted down. The W73 I have works, it needs a little TLC, as it has been abused for 35years. It's in the shed as I only have room in the basement for one machine next to the rotary phase converter. The Primus machine is currently occupying that space, it's bolted down, and I would need the help of a few people to get it up the basement steps. When I complete the machine that I am currently working on (link posted below), Then the Primus will have to be unbolted and moved to the shed(boy, that's going to be real fun!).

CLICK HERE TO GO TO supremewhirlpol's LINK
Post# 376933 , Reply# 23   9/4/2009 at 23:09 (5,337 days old) by favorit ()        
definately a Zerowatt

 It is a vintage (mid eighties) Zerowatt, so a TRUE one not a rebadged Candy crap.... a Candy can't stand such a high level LOL
I' m sorry, I haven't my brochure collection here now. When I'll be @ home I'll post some pics

I hadn't any clue Zerowatt made machines for US market too (cold/warm/hot on temp dial , very few numbers on cycle dial)

Post# 376934 , Reply# 24   9/4/2009 at 23:20 (5,337 days old) by favorit ()        
zerowatt-iberna

 the current candy/hoover crap

CLICK HERE TO GO TO favorit's LINK
Post# 376950 , Reply# 25   9/5/2009 at 01:27 (5,337 days old) by soberleaf ()        
are you sure

 it isn't meant to have a high speed spin and just isn't doing it?! that could be what the problem was that caused it to go to the trash in the frist place?

i find it hard to believe that a beautiful stainless steel top quality washer like that doesn't have some kind of high spin speed!

is is run with a dc motor? if so maybe the speed change electronic unit isn't working. if it's an ac motor how would it change from wash to spin speed anyway? i don't see any speed changing devices in that pic. just a motor and a belt and 2 pulleys. i would bet it's a dc motor and simply isn't getting into it's high speed spin.

also it looks like the heater leads are right there on the back at the bottom of the tub. very similiar to a whirlpool front loader i have that also has a heater (which i never use). in fact the whole washer is junk, i never did like it.
i'll take my frigidaire gallery over the whirlpool anyday!

anyway keep researching, someone here will surely be able to help you figure out why it's not spinning on high.

Post# 376956 , Reply# 26   9/5/2009 at 02:28 (5,337 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
Let me try to explain:

 When I'm saying it's "slow", I'm actually meaning it's not 1,200 RPM. It's probably more like 700 or 800, but I don't know because I don't have a tachometer. Do the cloths come out wet? Well, no, they don't. I would describe them as being about as damp as if they came out of a Wascomat or supremewhirlpool's Primus. So, I really don't see anything wrong with mine. Could I be missing something?

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 376964 , Reply# 27   9/5/2009 at 02:59 (5,337 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Spins

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Lovely machine there, its a keeper and I`m sure things like door seals are available!! the motor looks like the old Bendix induction motors of old, my guess is its an 400 / 800spin machine...

Post# 376973 , Reply# 28   9/5/2009 at 03:39 (5,337 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Do I see a little shield at the back of the machine? Can you make a photo of it? I would love to have a look at it. It should give information about whether it has a heating element or not.

This machine looks to be made especially for the American market. I think PeterH770 had an Italian frontloader made for the American market. I'm not sure but I think his was a Kenmore.

Post# 376976 , Reply# 29   9/5/2009 at 03:57 (5,337 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
One little shield...

 Comin' right up!

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 376977 , Reply# 30   9/5/2009 at 04:03 (5,337 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
BINGO!

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...and one little 1.4KW heating element...

Post# 376983 , Reply# 31   9/5/2009 at 04:18 (5,337 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

The capacity is 6kg, or just a tad over 13 pounds. But I can cram it pretty good, within reason of course. I would like to see how well it does with my Nautilus winter parka. It has a few stains that have been set for at least the last couple years, maybe longer!

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 376984 , Reply# 32   9/5/2009 at 04:36 (5,337 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
We have a heater!

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I see it's designed for 16Amps which makes me wonder if it's a bit of a European mistake. Overhere 16 Amps is pretty normal. AFAIK in the USA standards are 15 Amps and 20 Amps.

Norfolk, on what kind of circuit breaker have you connected this washer?

Post# 376986 , Reply# 33   9/5/2009 at 04:47 (5,337 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

I'm running 20 amps, foraloysius.

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 376989 , Reply# 34   9/5/2009 at 05:37 (5,337 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Norfolksouthern, hello...I have seen these machines in Philadelphia in various places, the first was in the late eighties at university of pennsylvania. They had rows of whirlpool & maytag coin-op toploaders and this little excellence washer hiding in the corner which nobody used. So being curious I ran it with my friends clothes in the washer it was cheeper then the tops 50 cent vs a doller and it held more clothes as well, more then the toploaders, it washed very well high water levels and long cycle duration about 17 to 20 min in the wash program three rinses. I was taking back by the spin speed it was fast, for me at the time I thank around 800 rpm the clothes where dryer then the tops. So I also seen it under the same name and it was ASKO made in a laundromat not far from me in germentown where where I grew up they where seven of them and the spin speed was at 1000 rpm, I would take my mom there to show her what a high speed spin looked like she did not get it lol. I thank the wascomat group distribute the brand here. I could check for you later I have a friend who works for them Mr. Andy at wascomat he would know. Nice find wash on.



Darren k

Post# 376990 , Reply# 35   9/5/2009 at 05:41 (5,337 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
6KG.....

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Is more than many realise.

That is, believe it or not, 12...count 'em....12 cotton single bed sheets....

Post# 377012 , Reply# 36   9/5/2009 at 08:59 (5,336 days old) by favorit ()        
spin speed

 this machine hasn't any slow spin button, so i assume it's a 550 rpm as similar machines sold here in Italy.

The 800 rpm models had a 400 rpm button, while the Tropic (7 kg combo) had a separate dial for spin speed (up to 1000 rpm)

These machines came frome the works in Nese (Bergamo) before the Candy purchase. As this place is close to Philco Italiana works (Brembate di Sotto) I suspect their know-how started from here ( ex employers started a new CO ?)

Not a case older Zerowatt had huge doors like Bendix ....

Post# 377062 , Reply# 37   9/5/2009 at 15:34 (5,336 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

favorit: Is it actually a Zerowatt, or is it something else? Which brands did that factory make? Are you saying that mine is actually a Bergamo, rather than a Zerowatt? Or could it be a Philco?

aldspinboy: Thanks for your response. Do let me know what your friend thinks, as I would like to see if any parts are available!

ronhic: 12 bed sheets is quite a bit more than I would ordinarily have for a typical load. You do have to fill it up to get smooth performance, otherwise it will walk the floor and disengage the boot!

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 377248 , Reply# 38   9/6/2009 at 18:59 (5,335 days old) by favorit ()        

It's a ZEROWATT (see link in my previous post above). Even Marco/Bewitched (modern forum) and Diomede/Vivalalavatrice said it. But it's the first time I see it badged Excellence

A 1600 W heater is not that much different from the standard 2000 W ones of euro machines, expecially on machines with both cold and hot fill. A boilwash is possible within a reasonable time

Zerowatt factory was in a village named Nese in the province of Bergamo (Lombardy, north east of Milan)

Philco Italiana factory was in a village named Brembate di Sotto, again in the Bergamo province (Ryanair flyers coming in Italy know it well....)

Post# 377271 , Reply# 39   9/6/2009 at 20:43 (5,335 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

Thanks for clearing this up, favorit. I ran another load of whites through it, and the water got extremely hot this time! Although it did take quite a bit of time to do so. I used regular Tide, and it sudsed very little. In fact, the four rinses flushed everything out thoroughly and the machine did not bog down one bit. One of these days I'd like to get my hands on a real European laundry detergent to see what it does!

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 377293 , Reply# 40   9/6/2009 at 22:10 (5,335 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
NorfolkSouthern

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...would you like me to send you a small box of Australian OMOMATIC (now called 'Omo for frontloaders') it comes in a variety of sizes including a small 500gm/1 lb box which is ideal to post.

Omo is a Levers brand and would rank with Persil or other premium Euro brands from a performance perspective.

Post# 377302 , Reply# 41   9/6/2009 at 22:33 (5,335 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

What type of motor does this machine use? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it has an induction motor. That motor does look big, and if you look closely there is a fan blade on the shaft inside the motor. So, it probably has a slow speed and a fast speed.

Norfolksouthern does this machine reverse direction during the wash cycle? Also do you see any capacitors hidden anywhere on the machine?

Post# 377332 , Reply# 42   9/7/2009 at 02:53 (5,335 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

Yes, supremewhirlpool, the machine does reverse direction. I didn't see any capacitors hidden anyplace that I know of, and I've been through it fairly thoroughly. I'll remove the back cover again, just to be sure. I don't know much about electric motors, so whether it's an induction or not, I can't really say.

ronhic: Sure! I sent you an email.

NorfolkSouthern

Post# 377350 , Reply# 43   9/7/2009 at 06:43 (5,334 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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Email sent

Post# 377364 , Reply# 44   9/7/2009 at 10:08 (5,334 days old) by favorit ()        
reverse tumbling action in front loaders

 I have never seen any european FL without reverse tumbling.
Guess only vintage non-automatic and non-spinning front loaders (and vintage french H ax toploaders) didn't reverse.

Reverse action is fundamental for spinning frontloaders (aka washers-extractors). It avoids tangling and helps distribution before spinning.
My parent's vintage Candy SA5 had a "bug" : while draining before spinning it tumbled only in one way to start distribution, but instead of distributing the load, it wrapped everything up into a big ball ... and started a jump-spin :-))

NorfolkSouthern, guess your Zerowatt works fine at washing terry towelling, bath gowns and bulky items as (single bed) duvets and feather sky jackets. To avoid oversudsing pour half dose of fabric softener in the wash bath when the detergent is already dissolved.

2 of my gran's sisters ever had Zerowatts, all these machines washed with plenty of water, just like vintage Ariston Margherita. Gran and the 4th sister had crap-Candy that "wetcleaned" towels load .....

Post# 377368 , Reply# 45   9/7/2009 at 10:24 (5,334 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

Favorit... Do your gran's sisters still have the zerowatt machines? If they don't Why did they stop working? Was it bearings, timer, motor? I'm trying to find out what typically fails in both the vintage and newer EU machines.

Post# 377477 , Reply# 46   9/7/2009 at 17:20 (5,334 days old) by favorit ()        

No, one replaced it with an Ariston Margherita il late eighties, the other with a Candy rebadged as Zerowatt

You can't find a typical common fault for all the brands. Even the same brand had different faults in different periods

E.g. Candy weak point in the sixties was zinc coated steel outertub prone to leaks and kangaroo-suspensions (this is a Superautomatic 75, as my gran's one)

Post# 377479 , Reply# 47   9/7/2009 at 17:39 (5,334 days old) by favorit ()        

in the next decade (strikes age) Candy made cylinders without baffles (like cars without wheels). Missing screws weren't a rarity ... you can see those true POS on youtube Bimatic's channel ( Candy C133 C137). I had a C134 (y.1973), replaced in 1986 by an Alisè 16 WD .

The Candy Alisè is a water condenser combo, but takes millenniums to dry because of the 570 rpm. Far better than the seventeen garbage, but not comparable to a Zanussi machine. Rusting cabinets were the main problem of these machines, that's one of the (several) reasons my sister in 1998 replaced it with a Miele W844 ( that doesn't know the meaning of "rust")

Post# 377485 , Reply# 48   9/7/2009 at 18:34 (5,334 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

A cylinder without baffles? I would think that the clothes would not tumble very well. Both of those Candy machines look nice. How do the Alise condenser machines work?

Post# 377625 , Reply# 49   9/8/2009 at 17:36 (5,333 days old) by favorit ()        

Baffleless cylinder

You're right. Expecially on half loads and delicate programs. In a frontloader delicates normally are submerged in deep water and "float" without tumbling, as maximum allowed load for them is 1/3 of the cylinder. They rotate without being lifted. Well, in this very crap they literally floated without rotating. So the upper part of the load sometimes didn't even get in touch with water, e.g. this happened with mesh curtains.

Candy Alisè drying sys

Behind the outer tub there's a plastic chamber with a nozzle that sprays tap cold water. At the top of this chamber (over the tub) there are a blower and a coil.
This chamber is connected with the tub in the top and in the middle. the lowest part is connected with the drain pump.

Wet air is aspired by the blower through the chamber. The cold water spray condensates moisture that is pumped away with cool down water. Dry air now is heated by the coil and enter the tub in the highest part.

So while drying the machine is on continuos fill mode and the pump is always on (= always annoying).
The odd thing : to dry laundry one wastes a lot of water....

Only Miele combos spare lot of water while drying ... but having a shocking price it's cheaper (and more pratical- combos dry half loads only) buying a separate miele pair W+D

Post# 377631 , Reply# 50   9/8/2009 at 18:01 (5,333 days old) by favorit ()        
Alisè ctrl panel

 The biggest dial is the timer. It has 3 basic cycles cottons (1 to 10), perma press (11 to 14), delicates & woolens (15 to 18)

Dark grey are prewashes (1---> and 11---->)
Light grey are main washes (4----> , 12 ----> , 15 --->)
Yellow are rinses ( 8----> , colour change, colour change)
Brown are spins (between rinses from 8 to 10, final spins 10, 14, 18)
Red are drying

Then there are temp dial, door opening, on/off, half load buttons and drying time dial ( 1,2,3 are X*10 minutes ... they were proud to save some "0" ...)

If the drying time was selected before starting the wash, the machine automatically washed and dried.

BUT perma press stops without draining in the 3rd rinse (anticrease rinse hold) so one has anyway to click the dial on the 14 (spin) ... couldn't they put another button to engage/ disengage the anticrease as every other decent washer ?!? it's another Candy pearl ;-) they hat to put at least a bug in a pretty decent washer ...

Post# 377653 , Reply# 51   9/8/2009 at 21:16 (5,333 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

OK, now I'm beginning to understand the number system better and how a condenser dryer works. The machines in the US don't use this protocol, and I have only used US machines. I would so love to get a machine that was used in the UK.

Post# 378101 , Reply# 52   9/11/2009 at 12:22 (5,330 days old) by favorit ()        
condenser combos and dryers - odd and clear dials

 Supremewhirlpool,
the last condenser dryers that use water to condensate moisture were on the market in early eighties.

Now condenser dryers use room air to cool down / condensate into a heat exchanger and are plug'n'play (no more water connections)

Latest energy efficent condenser dryers have a heat pump. Basically it's a dryer with a fridge (call it even A/C unit) inside. The cold side is used to condensate moisture, the hot part of the fridge heats the air for the blower. Usually blower and cylinder have separate motors, so these dryers can manage even very delicate items that couldn't be tumbledried, using special tumbling patterns

Odd dials with numbers, letters, icons have always been a speciality of italian appliance production. Sometimes it was hard to use a machine without reading its booklet. This rarely happens with German made machines, where plain words say everything (see pic ... sorry it's written in italian)

As you can see in this pic (mid eighties mieles fascias) timers work more or less in the same way all over the world.
Here you've 3 main cycles (cotttons/permapress/delicates).
One can run the whole cycle, omit the prew., run a shorter wash, rinse only or spin only, depending on needs

Post# 378102 , Reply# 53   9/11/2009 at 12:26 (5,330 days old) by favorit ()        
sorry i forgot to say

.... that only combos still use water to condensate moisture

Post# 378121 , Reply# 54   9/11/2009 at 15:15 (5,330 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

OK, I see. You mentioned that condenser dryers have a heat pump. Do they have a compressor style heat pump or do they use something more solid state like a Peltier Junction?

Thanks for the info.

Post# 378231 , Reply# 55   9/12/2009 at 06:06 (5,330 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

I would agree with Foraloysius, it looks like that 1980's machine Sears sold. It's been a long time, but resembles what i remember. alr2903

Post# 378237 , Reply# 56   9/12/2009 at 06:57 (5,329 days old) by favorit ()        
Compressor style heat pumps

 Maybe I'm wrong, but Peltier Junctions now on the market haven't enough power for this purpose. But who knows, within the next ten years ..

Heat pump dryers have compressors. Those compressors have a somewhat 1000 W power so the whole dryer is about 1200/1500 W vs the 2200 to 3300 W of air cooled condenser dryers and of traditional vented dryers

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Post# 787199 , Reply# 57   10/4/2014 at 10:15 (3,481 days old) by rosmebraad ()        
Indeed similar insides to ITT

 When I grew up, we had a machine with very simlilar innards and drum to this one: The control (only one dial) and frond were different, but the insides very much like this one.

The brand was ITT, but I have a hard time finding anything about it online!

If anyone has pictures or tips, please include them!

Post# 787344 , Reply# 58   10/5/2014 at 01:58 (3,481 days old) by Docker (Cape Town, South Africa)        
Candy without baffles

 Candy machines sold in SA (as Westpoint Candy) in the 70's were advertised as having an oval drum. This may have been the drum without baffles.

Post# 787380 , Reply# 59   10/5/2014 at 08:58 (3,480 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

answering a couple of questions from further back in the thread -

This washer would spin somewhere between 400 rpm and 550 rpm. no faster.You can tell by the pulley sizes it is a simple 2 speed induction motor, spin speed will be about 8 times wash speed. So if it is geared to wash at 55 rpm then spin will be 440 rpm.

these are a common and robust type of motor on Italian washing machines of the 1980s, only drawback is the slow spin speed.

Chris.

Post# 787599 , Reply# 60   10/6/2014 at 05:59 (3,480 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Condenser dryers

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I have a heat pump dryer and its max rated value is 900 watts it takes a little longer than a normal dryer but the economy is amazing and I am not bothered by the time it takes as I wash most days I have an AEG with 1800 rpm spin which is always used for towels. 

 

Austin

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