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Post# 378779   9/14/2009 at 08:00 (1,778 days old) by favorit ()        

As I promised to NorfolkSouthern, here I am with these brochure shots. I'm posting here cause these are the 1989 and 1993 series.

Sorry, these aren't scans but camera shots on documents mode

a year 1989 6kg machine





Post# 378780 , Reply# 1   9/14/2009 at 08:06 (1,778 days old) by favorit ()        
spazio zero (slimline) machines

Zerowatt has always been famous for its slimline washers, often mounted on a trailer with a lever to pull out/ hide wheels

Post# 378781 , Reply# 2   9/14/2009 at 08:11 (1,778 days old) by favorit ()        
again 1989 - double door

the outer door is framed. This makes possible to insert a panel looking the same as the cabinets aside

Post# 378783 , Reply# 3   9/14/2009 at 08:15 (1,778 days old) by favorit ()        
1989 - Tropic

7kg W / 4 kg D combo

Post# 378784 , Reply# 4   9/14/2009 at 08:21 (1,778 days old) by favorit ()        
year 1993

7 kg / 1000 rpm washer , compact 5 kg combos, 7 kg combo

Post# 378785 , Reply# 5   9/14/2009 at 08:26 (1,778 days old) by favorit ()        
mille

mille (one thousand) 1000 rpm washer, 585 and S5LS

Post# 379326 , Reply# 6   9/15/2009 at 22:44 (1,777 days old) by norfolksouthern (Ann Arbor, MI)        

Favorit: Thanks! The brochure on the third post, on the lower left, has a photo of a machine very similar to mine. So, I'm assuming it was made back in the late 1980's. So far, it has performed quite well in spite of sitting outside for a number of years.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 379435 , Reply# 7   9/16/2009 at 11:09 (1,776 days old) by favorit ()        
Late seventies : Zerowatt 2005

Double door machines have always been a niche production, so they aren't updated as often as common freestanding models are. As the machine in the next pic (model 2005) is a late seventies one, I'd dare to say that your machine was made in early eighties

As many washers sold here in those times, the 2005 hasn't any temp dial, just a thermo-stop and then timed heating ... the longer the cycle, the hotter the wash.

Anyway it has a no-heat button (1st from left) then a "E" half load button (note the level in the door, despite it is pressed !!) and a no-spin button.

Lights are (left-->right) spin, wash/rinse , heater on, machine on

This is a slimline model and has the lever to pull out the trailer (actually a frame with 3 wheels)
It's a silent machine : silent timer (even more than my dear W780 sensor one), silent pump and silent spin


Post# 379438 , Reply# 8   9/16/2009 at 11:18 (1,776 days old) by favorit ()        
Candy P 6.11 formula inox (stainless steel tubs)

and this is not exactly a silent washer. Its 400 rpm spin is even louder than the 1100 rpm one of the W780 sensor. Both this crap.. ops Candy and the sensor miele are 25 y.o.
The zerowatt 2005 is at least 30 y.o.


Post# 379463 , Reply# 9   9/16/2009 at 13:48 (1,776 days old) by aquarius1984 (Crewe Cheshire UK )        
Zerowatt

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Now this could be interesting,

I am desperate to find out what machine my parents had when they married in 1982.
I dont know who made it and I can only just remember what it looked like. Could it have been a Zerowatt?

Facts...
I know it was badged as a Frigidaire
It was 600rpm
Cost 199 from Comet (a UK chain electrical store)
Bought in around September 1982

What I remember....

It had a largish round protruding dial with a metallic front cover not unlike the dial on this Hoover....


Post# 379465 , Reply# 10   9/16/2009 at 13:53 (1,776 days old) by aquarius1984 (Crewe Cheshire UK )        

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From what I remember,

The control panel was also metallic in a brownish shade.
The machine had a round door but I cant remeber what colour it was.

Im sure it had a round filter cover but that could be my imagination.

It also only had 2 buttons at most IIRC.

It lasted until 1988 when we bought a Candy but I dont know it it was broken or only sold on so my mum could have a faster spin - the Candy was 1000rpm.

I know that next door to us had the same machine ironically before we moved house in 1988.
It must have been reasonably popular but there seems to be no adverts or brochures of it.

Until I clarify what it is it will bug me lol,


Post# 379508 , Reply# 11   9/16/2009 at 17:00 (1,776 days old) by favorit ()        
Rob, maybe ....

it was a Sangiorgio. Kic once posted in a old "vintage" thread a pic of a late 70s Sangiorgio bagded Frigidaire. It has a blue fascia, white big dials, round buttons and round filter. In the same series there were some models with "metal" dials/buttons
I've found this thread with the searchalator, but there's the 404 bug


In another thread Kic posted a Sangiorgio Thesi badged as G.E.

The round filter door has never been on old truly Zerowatt built washers. It is possible in modern cra..Candy rebadged as Zerowatt, Hoover or Zerowatt-Hoover (double blasphemy ...)


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Post# 379511 , Reply# 12   9/16/2009 at 17:56 (1,776 days old) by favorit ()        
SpazioTop, the last true Zerowatt (year 2002)

The LadyTop (left) is beyond evidence a Candy toploader, but the SpazioTop is the last original Zerowatt-made machine

Post# 379620 , Reply# 13   9/17/2009 at 07:50 (1,775 days old) by vivalalavatrice (Italy)        
SpazioTOP!!!

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yeah! Oss Carlo...

I did a SpazioTOP refreshing (not a proper restoration on a such young machine!) twice! One I see still running and the other was for a customer.

Really a very strange and difficult machine but honestly quite strong and reliable...

Zerowatt has 600 and 400-800 rpm spin moels, then Hoover left with the 400-900 only with electronic motor control

BYE
Diomede

PS: and it's indeed the LAST 60cmwide TLHA, AFTER the 2001 Ignis Kpi


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Post# 379801 , Reply# 14   9/18/2009 at 04:53 (1,775 days old) by superelectronic (London, UK)        
Candy P 6.11X

Favorit, do you have any further information on the Candy pictured above? It's virtually identical to the machine my Mother had for 18 months between 1985-6 that had to be replaced due to bearing failure that was too expensive to repair - apparently it would have had to be returned to the factory...though that seems a bit excessive in retrospect; I may be wrong.

The only difference is that ours had a brown plastic door rather than chrome. I was, however, under the impression the spin speed was 600rpm and not 400rpm - but perhaps machines on the British market had to have comparatively boosted speeds!

What does the flower/snowflake symbol represent?

I can't exactly recall if the reduced load was the 5/3 or more conventional 1/2 symbol.

Despite their widely acknowledged lack of build quality, I have a bit of a blind spot for Candy machines and really quite like them. I wish now the P 6.11X had lasted a bit longer - my final recollection is of it sitting in the delivery van to be taken away and my thinking "that new machine looks really good" only to realise it was in fact the Candy we'd had. In reality, the now "classic" Hotpoint that replaced it was dull, dull, dull and lasted nearly 10 whole years! Not knocking 1980s Hotpoint, of course - just the mind-numbing extra basic model 9510...I need features!

Any further info much appreciated. I can barely believe one is still in existence!

Thank you

Alex


Post# 379891 , Reply# 15   9/18/2009 at 15:43 (1,774 days old) by favorit ()        
Candy icons require some imagination ...

Hi Alex,
the snowflake should recall something "cold" .... meaning no heat. The resistor symbol with a cross on it on the Zerowatt is more intuitive. Go figure the Candy rinse icon has always been a shirt on the line, under the rain .... I don't know anyone who hangs clothes under the rain to rinse them...
Even 5/3 is less intuitive than 1/2 , as you pointed out.

Brown door vs chrome - I do believe it, they produced in sevaral different colours depending of the country. Go figure once I saw in Munich a turquoise Aquamatic (the 3 kg smurf-washer) never sold in Italy.

Spin speed : you're right, even Zanussi made/makes faster spin models for the British market.
Here dryres started getting common ten years ago. So low spin speeds weren't an issue for people living in windy places. But for us living in the foggy north was a pain !

the 2 cycles have those positions

1 - boilwash with hot prew
2 - boilwash with cold prew
3 - boilwash without prew
4 - fast coloured cottons
5 - non-fast coloured cottons
6 - rinses with interim spins
7 - separate bleaching
8 - last FS rinse
9 - spin
10 - fast coloured minimum iron with prew
11 - fast coloured minimum iron without prew
12 - somewhat 50C minimum iron
13 - 40C minimum iron
14 - woolens
15 - rinses without interim spin
16 - last rinse and final spin
Z - drain only (useless, this model has no anticrease rinse-hold)


Post# 379892 , Reply# 16   9/18/2009 at 16:00 (1,774 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        
favorit

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I seem to remember a similar looking candy machine with a 400 spin drain. One of my relations had one.

Post# 379958 , Reply# 17   9/19/2009 at 06:22 (1,773 days old) by launderess (La Pomme Grande)        
My Miele Has A Drain Only

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One uses this either for certian items that cannot or should not have any sort of spinning, or when one wishes to drain the washer in case of some sort of emergency.

Suppose today with electronic controlled motors, washing machines can spin low as 200 or 400 rpms, which should be gentle enough for all but the most delicate items. However there are times one may need to abort a cycle and drain the machine.

L.


Post# 379964 , Reply# 18   9/19/2009 at 07:42 (1,773 days old) by superelectronic (London, UK)        
Thank you...

Thanks for the info, Favorit.

Could this machine have been cold fill only, hence the snowflake icon? I don't think it was an extra large button for no heat - that side on our machine didn't push in.

I think this was one of the last machines to use the manual push button drain of the conditioner compartment - after the mid 80s siphons were used instead. That dispenser draw had two funnels in the main wash compartment that I imagine should have been very effective in washing out the powder in conception but less so in practice. Then again, powder got stuck in any compartment in those days - it wasn't uncommon to see drawers that didn't close due to all the buildup if they hadn't been cleaned.

The timed fill on these machines was a liability - a hair grip got stuck in our pump and with each rinse the level got higher and higher until I convinced my Mum it was going wrong...in a state of panic she pumped the door release til the door opened and flooded the laundry and hall in the process! Did they have any pressure sensor or was it all timed?

Bye for now!

Alex



Post# 380276 , Reply# 19   9/20/2009 at 19:35 (1,772 days old) by favorit ()        

hi Alex,
yes, it's a cold fill only machine, like the majority of the washers sold here in IT. The large snowflake button is indeed the no-heat switch. I use this cra... washer mainly for wetsuits (aren't welcome in home machines..) , so I just released the button to take the pic

You're right about the manual drain for both the FS and LCB compartements. Had the Brit version the LCB compartement too ?

Timed fill . Candy uses pressure switches since their first automatics (A3 and A5, early sixties)
These mid eighties machines used timed extra fills after the pressure switch controlled fills during rinses and in delicate cycles. These pressure switches weren't accurate, here came the need for timed extra fills. Your machine had a fault in the timer and kept on filling. Our first Candy (SA5) had somewhat seven or eight timers replaced in its lifespan (from 1964 to 1984). Frequent out of balance spins helped a lot, but those timers weren't so reliable anyway

Floods : the electric door lock is another weak point... not a case Candy never used very high levels like Zerowatt or Ariston Margherita


Post# 380365 , Reply# 20   9/21/2009 at 10:07 (1,771 days old) by superelectronic (London, UK)        
LCB compartment in UK Candy P6...

...there was a kind of dead area behind the conditioner compartment I imagine would have been for LCB but it wan't really set up for use and didn't have the push-button drain.

The UK version was definitely hot and cold fill, though I know there was a Candy range called "Candy Cold Fill" for customers who maybe didn't have suitable hot water supplies - e.g. single point instantaneous heaters over the sink. I don't think the bio-profile wash generated by heating from cold was a big draw 25-30 years ago unlike the way it's marketed today, plus machines were of course a little thirstier so H&C fill made more sense for the average British householder.

I doubt anyone in the UK would have considered washing in cold water until recently hence the no-heat wash button was probably dropped for our market.

Timed fill seems to be a feature of European made washers until fairly recently - indeed, my current Blomberg-style washer uses it for high water level processes BUT it does have a safety feature - if I try and trick it into using timed fill twice in a row without draining it trips the drain pump automatically and drain/fill is alternated once the tub is exactly half full of water. Clearly no such saftey feature was in the Candy! I'm guessing it was all a way of saving money on a pressure switch with more than one level - maybe just small load level was triggered by the pressure sensor then timer took over thereafter. The Candy only really had two levels as I recall. Seems a crazy and unsafe system to me...though pressure sensors can fail too if blocked with scale.

Thanks again

Alex


Post# 380698 , Reply# 21   9/22/2009 at 15:59 (1,770 days old) by aquarius1984 (Crewe Cheshire UK )        
Timed fill

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One mention of Candy machines to my parents and nine times out of ten they will recall the flood we had in 1990 when the Domino 4 D4-104X we had was courageously set on a wash before my mother went to bed.

At some point in the cycle the door latch snapped and tripped the fill mechanism thus flooding our house over the coming hours until we rose. I vividly remember not being allowed into the lounge or dining room while all was cleaned up and had to eat my breakfast of cornflakes sat at the top of the stairs before being taken to school.

I assume that the Domino range did have pressure switches as the high rinse level would not have been reached and thus the machine continued to fill.

Serious damage was not done, new underlay was put beneath the carpet after the Vax had dried it although the kitchen did have new lino put down too.


As for the powder drawer ours had 4 compartments pre main softener and CL. Both FS and CL compartments had levers which one depressed before refilling with appropriate products as required for the next wash to drain the remaining water.

We never bothered with the FS dispenser, Mum much prefered to run a seperate rinse and spin with the Lenor just thrown into the main wash compartment when that was done.

She continued with this routine with the Electrolux, the following Candy and the Hoover Quattro. The Hotpoint FS dispenser was actually used to it being that little bit larger and not flushing the softener down when you shut the drawer and seperate rinse and spin cycles became a thing of the past. Her current LG has the FS added when the machine starts.

Heres the blighter we had in that fab grey colour. At the time it was so dull and bland to me when the surrounding houses all had exotics like Hotpoint Liberators, Hotpoint 9534's 95450's and Zanussi Washcrafts.
Now I can appreciate the colour, I mean it was the late 80's and was the chosen colour of the "Science of Appliances"

Strangely I would love to see one again, maybe even have one in the collection


Post# 380701 , Reply# 22   9/22/2009 at 16:10 (1,770 days old) by aquarius1984 (Crewe Cheshire UK )        

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Now as for the earlier versions, heres a few adverts to make what you want.

Post# 380702 , Reply# 23   9/22/2009 at 16:10 (1,770 days old) by aquarius1984 (Crewe Cheshire UK )        

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Post# 381238 , Reply# 24   9/24/2009 at 14:56 (1,768 days old) by superelectronic (London, UK)        
Candy - the diva of washers!

I don't know - floods, fires, general unreliability...you can trust Candy for touch of drama on washday! Sometimes you've just gotta love the stroppy little madam nonetheless and appreciate the good looks.

Lovely couple of pics there, Rob - thanks.

Pics advocating the use of Persil? Very retro! I reacall P&G pretty much snapped up all the brands when it came to recommedned detergents in the 1980s. It was only Hotpoint and Philips towards the end.

The separate rinse was a performace in our house during the Hotpoint's reign - we had always been happy enough to use the Candy's compartment but the Hotpoint gave us no choice!

Toodles

Alex



Post# 381242 , Reply# 25   9/24/2009 at 15:13 (1,768 days old) by norfolksouthern (Ann Arbor, MI)        

I looked at the drive belt on my front loader, and it is definitely a Zerowatt. The belt was labeled "Uniroyal Zerowatt". So, I suppose I'll be looking for what ever Zerowatt parts I can find. There is some surface rust in the cabinet, and it looks like it will be a challenge to take apart. If anybody has any information on the restoration of these machines, it would be greatly appreciated!

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 381349 , Reply# 26   9/25/2009 at 07:17 (1,767 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill - Home of the Railway Trials. Lancashire. UK)        
Classics

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Those Zerowatts are great especially like the 2005, all that chrome!!

The Candy Formula Stainless looked classy IMHO, and one of my friends has used her`s with 4 babes and it still churned along until recently, probably due to lower spin speeds etc...

The Formula Innox was always a well pushed add campaign and when most of the UK stuff was still vitreous I always thought that offered "SomethingSpecial"

Rob, could this be your Mums Comet / Frigidaire washer??


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Post# 381405 , Reply# 27   9/25/2009 at 15:08 (1,767 days old) by aquarius1984 (Crewe Cheshire UK )        
Bloody Hell

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That looks like the bugger Mike!!!!

Now if anyone can confirm it came in brown I'l be convinced thats the one.

Perhaps I really ought to print the picture off and question the folks.

So Zerowatt made it?, Does anyone know of any common faults with these that would of written ours off at 6 years old? I imagine they have a nice induction motor and reasonably solid bearings.

I do wonder if its worth getting intouch with Comet and/or Zerowatt/Candy to see if they have any info on this machine but then I think of the hassle trying to get through to the relevant people and it puts me off.

Now to find one!


Post# 381597 , Reply# 28   9/26/2009 at 19:25 (1,766 days old) by platinum6 ()        

Those Zerowatt washing machines are interesting, I'm surprised that they offer 6 and 7KG capacities many years before they became commonplace lol.

I quite like them, the panel behind the dials on some models is a nice touch lol.

I like to see more pics and info of the models from previous years. I can see a resemblance to the Candy models so maybe the 90's designs are a clue to it's owner lol.





Post# 381602 , Reply# 29   9/26/2009 at 19:54 (1,766 days old) by norfolksouthern (Ann Arbor, MI)        
For reference

Here's another photo of mine after I cleaned it up some. The prior owner rigged it up with a Y connector and sink coupler, as I don't think he had a regular hookup.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 381753 , Reply# 30   9/27/2009 at 17:17 (1,765 days old) by favorit ()        

@ Rob - nice pics !! here the Formula Inox series never came out with a 1000 rpm model ... can't imagine how noisy they were :-)
I notice that the P 1011 has an interesting "Eco C" button. Do you know which way does it work ? Like in older Candies where 90--->60 , 60--->40 and 40--->30 C or like in the Aquamatic where it works only to cut down the boilwash to 60C ?

@ Al - you're right, Candy are such comedians :-). The detergents/LCB/FS compartments don't have separate valves. The dial/timer is connected with a rubber belt that moves a nozzle over the compartements. When the belt gets loose the nozzle "shakes" and detergents,LCB and softener are dispensed all toghether in the first fill :-))

@ NorfolkSouthern . Yesterday I ran a full load in the 2005. I used the same amount of detergent I normally use in the Mieles (these use a quarter of the water while washing compared to the 2005). It made so much suds they overflooded from the drawer. Now I know I'll never use wool detergent in this machine :-) Anyway, thanks to the high levels and slow spins every programme is perma press in this machine, even @ full load


Post# 381762 , Reply# 31   9/27/2009 at 19:13 (1,765 days old) by norfolksouthern (Ann Arbor, MI)        

Lately, I've been using regular Tide in mine, and the suds haven't been excessive, usually quite low in fact. I even did a couple pillows, which made quite a bit of foam but not enough to reach the dispenser. There was no suds lock at all, and the big motor just took it all in stride. And there hasn't been any problem with rinsing. So far, I like it and hope it lasts a while.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 382579 , Reply# 32   10/2/2009 at 17:24 (1,760 days old) by favorit ()        
Zerowatt LT 487

just found on YT the very same model my gran's sister had
It's a late sixties machine


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Post# 384876 , Reply# 33   10/13/2009 at 07:58 (1,749 days old) by favorit ()        
Zerowatt 64

Looks quite close to NorfolkSouthern's one
Saw it this morning behind a repair shop window


Post# 385165 , Reply# 34   10/14/2009 at 03:08 (1,749 days old) by norfolksouthern (Ann Arbor, MI)        

The knobs and buttons on mine look almost identical, except for the color! Could I perhaps have a re-badged version of that same model?

NorfolkSouthern





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