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Thread Number: 25023
Finally found a Rollermatic! |
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| Post# 386359 10/19/2009 at 16:27 (5,295 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
Woo-hoo I am so excited. As some of you may know, I've wanted one of these machines for a while now. Joe atually found this machine for me, and I can not thank him enough! It is a 1967 Custom Deluxe model w/ Rapidry. The craziest thing about this machine is that it was still being used as a daily driver along with the matching dryer. The mechanism works perfectly and it is sooooo quiet. Now for the bad part. It needs a new water bellows, which I can get. Unfortunately the previous owner attempted to take the agitator nut off and broke the top part of the pulsator and also something inside. The agitator now rotates freely...What broke inside the mechanism that allows the pulsator to rotate and is it fixable? Now I have to attempt to hold the pulsator and try to remove the stubborn agitator nut. Does anybody have an extra deep action agitator that they would be willing to part with? I'd appreciate it.
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| Post# 386361 , Reply# 1 10/19/2009 at 16:29 (5,295 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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| Post# 386362 , Reply# 2 10/19/2009 at 16:30 (5,295 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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| Post# 386363 , Reply# 3 10/19/2009 at 16:31 (5,295 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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| Post# 386364 , Reply# 4 10/19/2009 at 16:32 (5,295 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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| Post# 386365 , Reply# 5 10/19/2009 at 16:34 (5,295 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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The Ugly | ||
| Post# 386371 , Reply# 6 10/19/2009 at 16:43 (5,295 days old) by christfr (st louis mo) | ||
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| Post# 386380 , Reply# 7 10/19/2009 at 17:25 (5,295 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati) | ||
i've never had any trouble getting 
an agitator nut off any of my rollermatics, yet. and i have done four so far, two to go. i always put a good vice grips at the bottom most part of the agitator shadft, right above the ball coupler. i then put a hollow steel tube over the vice grip handle to keep that vice grip from moving back and forth as i loosen the nut. they have all come right off. i did not like the idea of simply holding the tub with my foot etc. that i have read from old frigidaire repairmen. because that keyway can break off with all that stress on it from trying to turn that nut while using the tub to hold the agitator shaft from turning. a vice grips works well. i did buy a new pair just for that use, the biggest, heaviest i could find. one of my rollermatics is the exact model as yours. at this point i do not have an agitator i can part with but i may in the future. the tub on this one is extremely disintigrated to the point of being unusable. if i find another tub i would like to restore it and hence would keep the agitator. if i decide to simply use it as a parts machine then i could let the agitator go. it all boils down to if i can find a tub and i won't really be working on it till next year, have 3 others ahead of it. i know this doesn't help you now but i do know someone that has frigidaire parts. i just bought parts from mark michaels who found a source himself. he says this guy has tons of stuff left. i bought 5 water seals, a tub support, 3 oil bellows and one water bellows. and an agitate arm ball kit. mark has one more water bellows left, he is planning on selling it on e bay. i don't need any more. i have plenty now. i also think dave on the web under dave's repair.com might have water bellows left, he too might have an agitator. i have bought from him before. and then is always train guy if you can get ahold of him, he's a tough one to communicate with but seems nice. i would start with mark michaels. his e mail is mmichael11438@yahoo.com and i spoke with him last nite via phone. once you get that nut off you might be able to fix that agitator. i did buy a cone from mark, but it is the second cone, the middle cone. i know he has more of those, he wanted me to buy them. if you need that i do have it. i was gonna make a decoration out of it. good luck, i would get that nut off and then see what the damage to the agitator is, you may luck out! | ||
Post# 386382 , Reply# 8 10/19/2009 at 17:27 (5,295 days old) by frigilux  (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 386390 , Reply# 9 10/19/2009 at 17:41 (5,295 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati) | ||
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mark's phone no is | ||
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Post# 386409 , Reply# 11 10/19/2009 at 19:17 (5,295 days old) by joelippard (Hickory) |
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Jed
I'm so glad you got it. I had been wondering about it. It's going to be hell to get that agitator nut off if it's anything like mine was. Remember this as I learned it from others. Your best work on this machine will come not by brute force, but by impact, as it pertains to removing nuts, bolts, etc. As for the turning of the agitator, as others have said that means the keyway is broken on the agitator shaft. Those keyways are easily had at any local ACE Hardware. They refer to them as Steel Key, 3/16 x 1 1/4, Item number 2160-5 I feel sure a replacement cone will turn up soon enough. In the mean time I'd focus on cosmetic items and in getting it ready for the new cone. I'm not sure what those broken parts were under the bottom of it that the original owner sent me the picture of but I'd post that picture on here for others to see if they can figure out what was broken. It's going to need a good going thru. Be sure you seal that tub plug with Hi temp gasket sealer so you don't get into the mess I did with a bad tub. Putting the new bellows on mine was hell, I hope you have better luck. If you have any questions at all put them up on here so those of us who have been there before can help you. When you get this machine fixed, you're going to fall in love! | ||
| Post# 386415 , Reply# 12 10/19/2009 at 20:12 (5,294 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
mark's phone no is 724-506-0344 | ||
| Post# 386421 , Reply# 13 10/19/2009 at 20:48 (5,294 days old) by mrcleanjeans (milwaukee wi) | ||
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One of my favorite washers indeed! Lucky you! | ||
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Post# 386423 , Reply# 14 10/19/2009 at 20:51 (5,294 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Mark mostly has Frigidaire items, with a few heres and theres for Maytag and Philco wringers (sorry, no Duo parts). His father had been a Frigidaire dealer for quite sometime. He doesn't have any Unimatic parts left and very very few Multimatic items, but he does have some Rollermatic and 1-18 items left. He also has some range and refrigerator stuff too (relays, cold controls, etc). If you are looking for something it helps him out if you already know what the part number is, along with the model number. Ben | ||
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Post# 386425 , Reply# 15 10/19/2009 at 20:53 (5,294 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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| Post# 386444 , Reply# 16 10/19/2009 at 22:30 (5,294 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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Hey guys, thanks for the comments and advice. I now understand how and why this machine is broken, how to prevent that, and how to get it apart now. But my question is Joe refers to this part: Steel Key, 3/16 x 1 1/4, Item number 2160-5 could all I have to do is replace a broken key and everything would be locked up again?? or is the entire spin shaft shot. BTW Ben no I haven't. I'm gonna have to get down to Robert's soon though! | ||
| Post# 386448 , Reply# 17 10/19/2009 at 22:39 (5,294 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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| Post# 386473 , Reply# 18 10/20/2009 at 05:26 (5,294 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati) | ||
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i always thought if
the keyway broke off due to excessive force on that agitator shaft you could simply replace it with another one as joe said above. i would not think the entire spin shaft would have to be replaced. i do recall mark telling me that this other guy he buys from had either a spin or agitator shaft available. can't remember which. but lets hope you don't need one. keep the posts coming on it please, and the pics! and use those vice grips on that shaft! | ||
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Post# 386474 , Reply# 19 10/20/2009 at 06:08 (5,294 days old) by joelippard (Hickory) |
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Post# 386489 , Reply# 20 10/20/2009 at 08:33 (5,294 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Post# 386522 , Reply# 21 10/20/2009 at 12:27 (5,294 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Frigidaire | ||
| Post# 386524 , Reply# 22 10/20/2009 at 12:32 (5,294 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati) | ||
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that's why i always put the one side of the | ||
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Post# 386545 , Reply# 23 10/20/2009 at 13:49 (5,294 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Once you get the broken agitator off, you'll be able to see the damage, if any, to the key-way. You will probably be able to find a replacement key at the local ACE hardware, mine has them here and that sounds like a pretty standard size. This is a pretty common error for many with these machines, I did it to a 1-18 many years ago and had to quietly sneak the machine out to the trash under the cover of darkness from the shame! Congrats on the machine - you'll love it! | ||
| Post# 386996 , Reply# 24 10/21/2009 at 21:35 (5,292 days old) by tcox6912 () | ||
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Agitator I have a new (in box and never used) jetcone agitator that I got off of ebay a couple of years back. I may also have the water bellows that you need ... I had bought a box of miscellaneous GM Frigidaire parts a while back. Todd | ||
| Post# 387002 , Reply# 25 10/21/2009 at 22:02 (5,292 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati) | ||
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todd, you're wonderful!
not only did you give me that awesome rollermatic wa2L 1966 model (of which i am very grateful) but now you can help out a fellow member with that agitator! that's what makes this site so wonderful! by the way, i found the only thing wrong with the rollermatic you gave me is a water bellows leak! i am in the process of fixing it now! everything else runs fine, motor sounds like new and bearings are very quiet. it's a great machine and i love it! and i found it uses the same timer and wiring schematic as the wa2N 1967 model that i got from walt. it has no top console or timer so i am using your machine's wiring diagram to get the wa2n up and running! thanks again! | ||
| Post# 387003 , Reply# 26 10/21/2009 at 22:07 (5,292 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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| Post# 387004 , Reply# 27 10/21/2009 at 22:18 (5,292 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati) | ||
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i just talked to
mark again about a different matter and he did tell me he e mailed you to tell you tghat his source in pittsburgh says he can get more oil and water bellows. lets hope so! question though. i have always wondered, if the water bellows is on correctly and doing it's job then no water gets inside of it. even when tub drains water level never reaches that high in the outer tub to even touch bottom part of inner tub, hence no water again could seep into the inside area of the water bellows. so why do we we even need a oil bellows in the first place? i would think a simple water bellows would be enough? if anyone knows, please tell me, would like to know. | ||
| Post# 387005 , Reply# 28 10/21/2009 at 22:22 (5,292 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
Cross your fingers, Jethro
when a brother sent me a water bellows, I was so careful getting the torn one out, slipping upward oh so gently, then one false pull and I ripped open a perfectly lubed gorgeous oil bellows that had bonded to the top of the water bellows. A devastating loss. But, hey that's part of the hobby, ain't it? I have an order for three. The guy works slowly. So hope for you and hope for me, and pretty soon we'll be oilin' again. One is yours! Anyone else need the third? | ||
| Post# 387006 , Reply# 29 10/21/2009 at 22:28 (5,292 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati) | ||
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if no one else wants it i will | ||
| Post# 387011 , Reply# 30 10/21/2009 at 22:50 (5,292 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Didn't get a price yet, but it's yours | ||
| Post# 387013 , Reply# 31 10/21/2009 at 23:12 (5,292 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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Post# 387278 , Reply# 32 10/22/2009 at 19:24 (5,292 days old) by joelippard (Hickory) |
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Jed, | ||
| Post# 387292 , Reply# 33 10/22/2009 at 20:10 (5,291 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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Well, it's not going great. I can not loosen the tub nut. I am soaking it in WD-40 and giving it a couple of wacks now and then... I took the oil and water bellows of my multi-matic... are these compatible?? It looks as if they are and it would sure be nice if they did. I'm still working on getting the top metal part of the bellows out of the bottom of the pulsator and the agitator nut. Once I get a hold of Todd and if he sells me the pulsator I am going to cut up the pulsator right to the point and see if I can't get things disconnected. Curse old machines and everything that won't come loose DAMMIT!
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Post# 387293 , Reply# 34 10/22/2009 at 20:12 (5,291 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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The joys of Frigidaire repair. Have you heated that bolt? Sometimes that is just the ticket. | ||
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Post# 387295 , Reply# 35 10/22/2009 at 20:16 (5,291 days old) by joelippard (Hickory) |
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Yes!!!
It's hard as hell, that's for sure!!! It's worth it in the end. See if you can pull those bellows out of that pulsator, soak them good... You need to get the PB Blaster, I'm telling you WD-40 is nothing compared to it. Did you get the correct wrench yet? With the right wrench and the right spray to help loosen it and with enough soaking time you'll be surprised how easy she'll come loose. I know I was. I worked my ass off for 3 days with a pair of channel locks. I got the correct wrench and soaked it in PB for 2 days and it came right off with about six whacks of the hammer. | ||
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Post# 387300 , Reply# 36 10/22/2009 at 20:21 (5,291 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Hang in there Jed. Steve is right, some heat helps out wonders. If you do hack the cone heat up the nut (not the shaft) for about 15 seconds or so, while spinning the nut evenly under the heat. This has helped me out of so many jams in the past. Also - Joe's advice on having the tub nut wrench is critical. 1 1/2 inch. While the wrench in the link is expensive, slugging wrenches really are life savers if this is going to be an on-going hobby ;-) Ben CLICK HERE TO GO TO swestoyz's LINK 
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| Post# 387301 , Reply# 37 10/22/2009 at 20:22 (5,291 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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Post# 387327 , Reply# 38 10/22/2009 at 21:51 (5,291 days old) by joelippard (Hickory) |
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Wrench
I had a friend who had the wrench I needed and he cut it in half for me, that's how I got mine. Any 1 1/2 inch wrench that has been cut into so it's short enough to fit in the tub will do, or the slugging wrench is equivalent as well. Be certain you get a boxed end and not an open end wrench, you need to develop even torque without slippage on that nut.
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| Post# 387328 , Reply# 39 10/22/2009 at 21:56 (5,291 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati) | ||
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it's made by grainger | ||
| Post# 387329 , Reply# 40 10/22/2009 at 22:08 (5,291 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati) | ||
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just go to grainger | ||
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Post# 387333 , Reply# 41 10/22/2009 at 22:23 (5,291 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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