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Thread Number: 25256
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Post# 389403 10/30/2009 at 11:09 (5,290 days old) by bajaespuma  (Connecticut) |
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Post# 389404 , Reply# 1 10/30/2009 at 11:10 (5,290 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Why aren't there any vintage Hotpoints floating around? Were they unusually fragile or were they just bad sellers? I saw these machines in person once at a Lumber store in Kingston NY, so there were no pesky salespeople to bother me. The different tub, agitator and filter colors were dazzling. Then, like a dinosaur they disappeared from the planet.
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| Post# 389450 , Reply# 3 10/30/2009 at 13:21 (5,290 days old) by mrcleanjeans (milwaukee wi) | ||
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I grew up with a Hotpoint Siloutte 15 set.Kewl looking and yes, fun but the dryer in particular was very poorly constructed. For example, it had a bakelite blower with a cheesy metal cover held on with three tabs. | ||
| Post# 389465 , Reply# 5 10/30/2009 at 14:08 (5,290 days old) by mrcleanjeans (milwaukee wi) | ||
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Hamster wheel | ||
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Post# 389466 , Reply# 6 10/30/2009 at 14:12 (5,290 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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 Hey KEN.... here's one of those dryers for sale with a KM washer in Charlotte, NC... GO GRAB IT and you will have half of your dream set!!! CLICK HERE TO GO TO revvinkevin's LINK on Charlotte Craigslist | ||
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Post# 389469 , Reply# 7 10/30/2009 at 14:27 (5,290 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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| Post# 389472 , Reply# 8 10/30/2009 at 14:33 (5,290 days old) by toggleswitch2 () | ||
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I like the Maytag-esque door for the gas burner on the dryer. How did the duo-load not mix, say, bleach from the whites into the darks? I'm gurssing the bleach had to go in the big basket? Then how did both fill with water? | ||
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Post# 389473 , Reply# 9 10/30/2009 at 14:38 (5,290 days old) by circlew (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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"dryer in particular was very poorly constructed" When exactly did Hotpoint go from being GE's premium brand to a less well made budget brand? | ||
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Post# 389487 , Reply# 10 10/30/2009 at 15:27 (5,290 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH) |
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Impeller vs. hamster/squirrel cage fans.
Noise is interesting. On our HoH dryer is the quietest I have ever used and it has a Bakelite impeller blower. The Hotpoints are interesting, but I have never seen a real Hotpoint. They were the second to last to make Solid Tub washers, yet I have never seen one. How well did they perform and what were their weak points? Dave | ||
| Post# 389501 , Reply# 12 10/30/2009 at 15:59 (5,290 days old) by mrcleanjeans (milwaukee wi) | ||
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They had the worst laziest agitator ever. But it was kewl looking | ||
| Post# 389514 , Reply# 14 10/30/2009 at 16:27 (5,290 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
Fire Island /circa 1980+ /W&D outside in a dandy shed/ HOTPO
My first experience and of course I was crazy about them. Never met a machine about which I couldn't find something to like. I thought the agitation was wild; it was my first experience with the short fast stroke, which I later learned had become the evolved GE stroke. My memory suggests that the action of Hotpoint is pretty much identical to the ramp agitator in my GE, no slouch there! Of course, I was young and gay then and exaggerated everything, so maybe the hotpoint was lame, chuckle chuckle, but I DO LOVE Hotpoints and we see so few of them. And if Steve and John can't find them, we're probably going to have a hard time. Ken your graphics are fabulous. CLUBBERS: Does anyone have a Hotpoint and would you share your knowledge? What a great Halloween treat that would be. | ||
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Post# 389531 , Reply# 17 10/30/2009 at 17:15 (5,290 days old) by circlew (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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Cabinet used as outer tub IIRC the earlier Hotpoints used the cabinet as the outer tub, like the early Frigidaires. Maybe Hotpoint didn't use as good a grade of materials or workmanship as Frigidaire, leading to rusting out of the cabinet, rendering it unusable, and therefore discarded. | ||
| Post# 389532 , Reply# 18 10/30/2009 at 17:20 (5,290 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Think you could get Mark out tonight with some pix and text?
So surprised that John doesn't have one in the warehouse. Oh well, somethin' to hope for. By the by, have an oil bellows on the way, so the Unimatic should be up and running mainly thanks to your instruction. What a bite in the buttocks that the oil was "welded" to the water. Things are rarely easy, except of course, in an EASY SPIN which has a spiralator, (longer slower stroke, though) very similar to the Hotpoint. Can you, wise man, account for the difference in turnover/performance? I can not. | ||
| Post# 389543 , Reply# 20 10/30/2009 at 18:12 (5,290 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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I'd love to see the pix, Todd. Thanks so much. I need a
Glad to hear you have good turnover. I saw it too, for two weeks on Fire island, and I was fascinated at this short quick stroke. These Holloween pranksters talking about bad turnover in Hotpoints, Maytags, etc; they must all be suffering from the overloading syndrome. "Trick or Treat!" Even a Unimatic can be stuffed to no turnover.
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Post# 389549 , Reply# 21 10/30/2009 at 18:44 (5,290 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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I still want one.
My Aunt Sona had a BOL Silhouette like the ones in the second picture. I remember the agitation was very gentle, almost like the machine was mosy-ing down to the corner drugstore. It had a filter-pan like the GE's but instead of a flume it had "burpalator" -type recirculation. I do remember her dryer, which was gas heated and very fast, seeming kind of big and clumsy compared to our GE. I'm still fascinated by the complicated turquoise agitators of the Duo-Load generation. I remember Consumer Reports 1969 issue with a photograph showing a breakdown of the agitator into many pieces and criticizing it for requiring disassembly for "sand removal". There was a bleach dispenser as well as a filter pump assembly in those things so they must have been like a hybrid between Norge's and Frigidaire's agitators. I remember a vintage ad for Clorox with a picture of someone pouring bleach into the center of the Hotpoint agitator. There was a "Patent of the Day" on this site that explained the workings of the Duo-Load. In a nutshell, the water for the small tub was diverted inside the fill flume to the top of the large filter-pan looking thing, which I believe isn't a filter pan but the cover or lid for the small tub which allows water in through channels in the center and then there are several small channels built into the side of the tub that throw the water, during the spin, up and over the main tub, where there's a ring of channels designed to throw the water to the outside so it never comes into contact with the main tub water. It looks very complicated and I wouldn't be surprised if it caused many service calls. 
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| Post# 389596 , Reply# 22 10/30/2009 at 21:26 (5,290 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
The Silhouette agitator is probably the prettiest and the most graceful agitator ever made. But it's performance leaves much to be desired. Because the vanes do not flare out like the Easy, and because there is no flat surface to counter the water direction, clothes just slide up and down the agitator as it turns back and forth. I was very excited to see one in action the first year visiting Robert's home, but once it started working, I was sorely disappointed. It is wonderfully gentle, but truly lacking in cleaning skills.
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| Post# 389618 , Reply# 23 10/30/2009 at 22:50 (5,290 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
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| Post# 389627 , Reply# 25 10/31/2009 at 00:11 (5,290 days old) by ingliscanada () | ||
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VolvoGuy HOH dryers were indeed quiet inside the house, but outside the house, the exhaust vent is actually louder (maybe some more than others, due to aging of machine). Also, Speed Queen was the last company to do away with the solid tub. | ||
| Post# 389628 , Reply# 26 10/31/2009 at 00:13 (5,290 days old) by ingliscanada () | ||
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Sorry... I thought you were asking if Hotpoint was the last washer with the solid tub. I read too fast. | ||
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Post# 389631 , Reply# 27 10/31/2009 at 00:38 (5,290 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Hotpoint!
We had Hotpoint washers while I was growing up, but they were BOL models. The first one lasted almost 7 years was a 1955 BOL thad had a removeable lid. Than we had another one that only lasted about 5 years (the transmission went bad) and not worth fixing. They did wash well and the TOL models had a lot of bells and whistles and did look real nice but didn't hold up. I do wonder why their are so few collectables. They are real hard finds! Peter | ||
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Post# 389692 , Reply# 28 10/31/2009 at 09:48 (5,289 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Au Contraire
"then gradually evolved to become pure GE by the late 70's." There was nothing gradual about it. In 1969 GE began "replacing" Hotpoint dryers simply by putting a Hotpoint control panel on top of a standard 27" wide GE dryer. You can see it clearly in this Duo-Load ad.They even put a phony kickplate on the bottom to make the cabinet more "Hotpoint". By 1972 GE started doing the same thing with the washers by putting Hotpoint styled backsplashes on 27" GE filter-flos. They very cleverly remodeled the filter-flo system to work on the rim of the washbasket and for a while used a left-hand side hinged lid. By 1975 practically all of the machines were GE. GE used Hotpoint when it was a separate entity in Chicago to test market a lot of bells and whistles. Hotpoint was always ahead of its time in high-market features, but lagged in engineering quality. Pity. It was a great brand and produced a lot of innovations. But Jack Welch was much too interested in the bottom line to try and save something as unimportant as a great US brand and thousands of jobs. 
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| Post# 389705 , Reply# 29 10/31/2009 at 11:30 (5,289 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN) | ||
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And check out the Kenmore "No Guesswork" washer in avocado! | ||
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Post# 389723 , Reply# 31 10/31/2009 at 12:06 (5,289 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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I don't know anything about Hotpoint transmissions. I do know that old styled Hotpoint dryers, like the ones in my pictures, are NOTHING like GE dryers of the same period. In fact, some folks on this site have said that the GE Big Boy dryers evolved from Hotpoints, and now that I've taken my Big Boy apart, I see absolutely nothing, no parts, no engineering that doesn't look pure GE. I do know that GE used Hotpoint to test new innovations on all types of appliances, some of which they adapted, some ditched. Hotpoint "Air Flow" dryers were, I believe 28 inches wide, like HOH's. I think they began as condenser dryers and the company just stuck with that fabrication until GE killed them off. The avocado dryer that was mentioned on Craigslist is a real Hotpoint unit, not a GE changeling. Also, the controls on the Duo-Load look remarkably similar to the ones we've seen on the "Lady Executive". I once had a catalogue of Hotpoints from the late sixties/early seventies and it's killing me to think that I might have thrown it away during that era I was more interested in pot than in appliances. 
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Post# 389829 , Reply# 33 10/31/2009 at 20:42 (5,289 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Two Washes and Two Rinses | ||
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Post# 389879 , Reply# 34 10/31/2009 at 21:47 (5,289 days old) by sambootoo (Moody, AL) |
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That is my dream washer, too. My sister had a middle of the line Hotpoint in the late 60's. She used it until about '76 or '77. I'm not sure what went wrong with it. | ||
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Post# 389913 , Reply# 35 10/31/2009 at 22:59 (5,289 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Two Washes and Two Rinses | ||
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Post# 389914 , Reply# 36 10/31/2009 at 23:10 (5,289 days old) by appliguy (Oakton Va.) |
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Ingliscanada........... | ||
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Post# 389947 , Reply# 37 11/1/2009 at 06:20 (5,288 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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They are very quiet during agitation. During the "throw-out" the water hitting the side-walls of the cabinet makes a chug-achugga- sound. | ||
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Post# 389953 , Reply# 38 11/1/2009 at 07:25 (5,288 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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I remember Aunt Sona's machine as being very quiet during agitaion as well. And by the way, rollover on her machine was just fine. I assume that she wasn't overloading it. I don't remember noticing noise during the spin, but were Hotpoints of this generation also throwing the water out into the cabinet? Sort of look that way in this cut-sheet:
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| Post# 389988 , Reply# 39 11/1/2009 at 12:02 (5,288 days old) by ingliscanada () | ||
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YouTube Vids I saw the old Hotpoint solid tub washer on YouTube, and there's even one on the "See It Wash" on this site. The agitation is quiet, aside from the pump constantly cycling. | ||
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Post# 390051 , Reply# 40 11/1/2009 at 17:09 (5,288 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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Yes, the cabinet was used as the outer water container. Perhaps one day we can persuade Todd into making a movie for us so that everyone can see one of these rare machines in action! | ||
| Post# 390101 , Reply# 41 11/1/2009 at 22:30 (5,288 days old) by ingliscanada () | ||
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Check "See It Wash" There's a Hotpoint right there! | ||
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Post# 390118 , Reply# 42 11/1/2009 at 23:18 (5,288 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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The Hotpoint evolved like this:
1949-1955 - Beam Designed: with a beam transmission for agitation and fluid drive spin clutch. 1956-1957 - Beam / Hotpoint hi-bred, beam transmission for agitation and new Hotpoint Spider clutch for spin. 1958-1974 - Hotpoint designed: Co-axial transmission for agitation and spin, new clutch shoe design to transfer power. 1974-1995 - 100% GE designed and made Filter-flo system. 
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Post# 390127 , Reply# 43 11/2/2009 at 00:20 (5,287 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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touch Command Washer & Dryer
Robert, I"d love it if you have a brochure with a lot more detail on both the washer and the dryer--or a part of this brochure. That dryer our neighbor (the one who had the frog-eyed Kenmore dryer that this one replaced that is like Jetcones Frogeyed washer) (and had the two monkey wards washer and the TOL Laundromat with all the colored buttons from 1958) inherited from her sister in the early to mid-1970s when the matching washer died. The pair was even the color pictured above. Loved it when I got to turn on the dryer because it was a rapid advance timer that sometimes seemed to take forever to set itself. But was always fascinated by the dryer. It had a GE shaped door opening and lint filter system and sounded a lot like a GE dryer.
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| Post# 390131 , Reply# 45 11/2/2009 at 00:27 (5,287 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.) | ||
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Just took a quick look at the pictures: Actually the thank you goes to you bajaespuma for all of those other photo posts. Have a good one, James | ||
| Post# 390141 , Reply# 46 11/2/2009 at 01:10 (5,287 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
omg | ||
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Post# 390169 , Reply# 47 11/2/2009 at 05:16 (5,287 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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wayyyy cool machines here | ||
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Post# 390197 , Reply# 48 11/2/2009 at 08:56 (5,287 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 390227 , Reply# 49 11/2/2009 at 11:31 (5,287 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Here you go: | ||
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Post# 390228 , Reply# 50 11/2/2009 at 11:31 (5,287 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Too bad Sal got fired... | ||
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Post# 390229 , Reply# 51 11/2/2009 at 11:32 (5,287 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 390230 , Reply# 52 11/2/2009 at 11:33 (5,287 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 390231 , Reply# 53 11/2/2009 at 11:34 (5,287 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 390232 , Reply# 54 11/2/2009 at 11:35 (5,287 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 390233 , Reply# 55 11/2/2009 at 11:36 (5,287 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 390234 , Reply# 56 11/2/2009 at 11:38 (5,287 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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