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Thread Number: 25617
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| Post# 394107 , Reply# 1 11/17/2009 at 21:59 (5,267 days old) by hooverwheelaway () | ||
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Doing its thing Action shot. 
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| Post# 394113 , Reply# 2 11/17/2009 at 22:03 (5,267 days old) by hooverwheelaway () | ||
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Empty Money Shot Robert said to look at the pretty porcelain tub ring!?!? 
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| Post# 394114 , Reply# 3 11/17/2009 at 22:03 (5,267 days old) by hooverwheelaway () | ||
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Dial It lights! But you'll have to wait for that one. 
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| Post# 394115 , Reply# 4 11/17/2009 at 22:04 (5,267 days old) by hooverwheelaway () | ||
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Choose your position! Nice Knobs! 3 of them! 
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| Post# 394116 , Reply# 5 11/17/2009 at 22:05 (5,267 days old) by hooverwheelaway () | ||
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Pretty Shiny lid! 
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| Post# 394119 , Reply# 6 11/17/2009 at 22:18 (5,267 days old) by westingman123 () | ||
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oh... that's nice! I feel you about the 806 set. But looky what you brought home. Sweet consolation... | ||
| Post# 394120 , Reply# 7 11/17/2009 at 22:23 (5,267 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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Post# 394123 , Reply# 8 11/17/2009 at 22:35 (5,267 days old) by unimatic1140  (Minneapolis) |
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Strange... | ||
| Post# 394125 , Reply# 9 11/17/2009 at 22:45 (5,267 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
WHAT A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF MACHINERY ! GREAT FIND GUY'S ! A true ! Warner- Borg Design my goodness. That is so nice that two people who share the same passion's and are together can have fun with it and share it... is amazing I wish you guy's much more happiness. The lint filter and the knobs shapes has a nice design I know it has a style name. The knobs that is. So proportioned. The extract word is refreshing , instead of spin. What is that little Ext - Before the spin ? Again nice machine Guy's of course got to see a vid if you can. I will enjoy it through you . Darren k. | ||
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Post# 394126 , Reply# 10 11/17/2009 at 22:48 (5,267 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 394129 , Reply# 11 11/17/2009 at 22:53 (5,267 days old) by westingman123 () | ||
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I do believe that's a suds saver; thus the extra drain port. I'm fairly certain the upper says "drain" and the lower says "suds"; MORE MORE!! | ||
| Post# 394130 , Reply# 12 11/17/2009 at 22:53 (5,267 days old) by ingliscanada () | ||
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A Suds Saver Norge How many of those do you see? | ||
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Post# 394132 , Reply# 13 11/17/2009 at 22:56 (5,267 days old) by jetaction (Minneapolis) |
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I can't believe you don't know what the 2 hoses are  | ||
| Post# 394133 , Reply# 14 11/17/2009 at 22:59 (5,267 days old) by mixfinder () | ||
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Living my dream Fred, if you weren't such a sweet guy I might be jealous of you living in the middle of Appliance Fantasy Island. | ||
| Post# 394134 , Reply# 15 11/17/2009 at 23:11 (5,267 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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| Post# 394139 , Reply# 16 11/17/2009 at 23:53 (5,267 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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Very NICE, indeed. Best of luck alr2903 | ||
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Post# 394143 , Reply# 17 11/18/2009 at 00:10 (5,267 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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THAT'S IT THAT'S IT!!!
That's the Wards washer our neighbors bought (my other mother) to replace her 1957 or 1958 L110 Laundromat or (something like that). This washer got paired witgh her Frog Eye Kenmore dryer. She got this fall of 1963 or fall of 1964 right before we got our Norge DispensoMat that following December 23rd. I never thought I'd ever see this washer again. The largest she ever used was medium. Looks hardly used!! This was replaced in like 1972 or 1973 with a 18-20 lb. 3-speed Monkey Norge. Fred ya better hold onto this one!!!
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| Post# 394144 , Reply# 18 11/18/2009 at 00:13 (5,267 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH) | ||
Suds Saver? | ||
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Post# 394147 , Reply# 19 11/18/2009 at 00:19 (5,267 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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What is that little Ext - Before the spin ?
Darren that's simply the 2 minute drain (actually 3 with the pause between rinse & drain before the 6 minute + 1 minute "coast" spin. The sequence for Extract was: pause after wash for 1 minute: another 1 minute of drain, then at the 40 or 45 second mark on that inc rement the tub began to spin and right before the timer moved, the spin clutch disengaged and the spray rinse (and coast) began for a minute. Then there was another minute of drain. then a 2 minute (maybe 3 but I always got impatient for that last 3rd minute if it existed) and then it turned off the pump, started spraying water for the rinse fill and coasted down to stop. At the end of that timmer increment was the KLUNK.
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Post# 394149 , Reply# 20 11/18/2009 at 00:21 (5,267 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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The wash drain was 1 minute and 40 or 45 seconds before it stated the burst spin. Now, if slow spin speed was used, the timer delayed after that one minute mark until the water level switch was tripped and then the timer would begin it's countdown for that 2nd increment that went into the burst spin. (got that??? confused???) OK, I need a cigarette and rolling oveer to go to sleep.
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Post# 394152 , Reply# 21 11/18/2009 at 00:30 (5,267 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 394155 , Reply# 22 11/18/2009 at 00:31 (5,267 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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Let's see... Delta airlines.... next flight leaves in... | ||
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Post# 394156 , Reply# 23 11/18/2009 at 00:31 (5,267 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 394183 , Reply# 24 11/18/2009 at 06:55 (5,267 days old) by toggleswitch2 () | ||
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COMNGRATS! I can't believe you don't know what the 2 hoses are for.. In a gay household, I'm sure the proper and fun use of two hoses will dawn on them sooner or later................. | ||
| Post# 394191 , Reply# 26 11/18/2009 at 07:25 (5,267 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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WELL....N O W------ - ----- Now you have a REAL washer....a N O R G E ....You know..Norge is YOUR BEST BUY IN HOME APPLIANCES!!!!!!! | ||
| Post# 394192 , Reply# 27 11/18/2009 at 07:30 (5,267 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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Oh Yeah!!!! Once you wash several loads in that....you will never be satisfied with a Maytag again...kind of like comparing a Apex to a washboard....now I know ill catch @#$% from the MT fans...hope you 2 are well and I know you are happy!Hope we can talk soon..Hans | ||
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Post# 394196 , Reply# 28 11/18/2009 at 07:53 (5,267 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Neat! | ||
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Post# 394203 , Reply# 29 11/18/2009 at 08:38 (5,266 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Is this the only Norge Suds Saver known to exist? No my 1956 Norge Time-line is also a suds saver machine. Well last night the machine wasn't performing very (transmission issues), but it did sit in the previous owners garage for at least a couple of days in 40 to 55 degree weather so the transmission oil was cold. After sitting overnight in the warmer basement the machine seems to be performing better this morning. Later on I'll fill it with some hot water and see if we can't get this thing going perfectly. ***fingers and eyes crossed*** | ||
| Post# 394209 , Reply# 30 11/18/2009 at 08:55 (5,266 days old) by tlee618 () | ||
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Fred and Robert, what a fun find!! I love the fact that it has a console light. Neat to that they used the word extract, is there any difference between that and spin? Don't give up Fred, those 806's will show up sooner or later!! Thanks for sharing!! | ||
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Post# 394214 , Reply# 31 11/18/2009 at 09:21 (5,266 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI ) |
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Congrats, | ||
| Post# 394226 , Reply# 32 11/18/2009 at 09:44 (5,266 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA) | ||
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| Post# 394230 , Reply# 33 11/18/2009 at 09:52 (5,266 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
That's TWO sudz finds in a row. You're 2 for 2 ! Tal
Dying to know if the 3 fin agi is as powerful as the 4. But really dying to know where the suds returns, from the filter or thru a port in the floor. :-) Tickles me pink that you keep falling over suds-savers. Haven't seen "Extract" in ages. So original, and never repeated. Don't you just love the "Soak Cycle" ? Advertising tries to trick us into believing anything. Thank you both so very much for harvesting and sharing a very rare late fall peach. Wonderful. What a beautiful morning treat. Now if you really want to warm up that tranny, fill up the tub behind the washer with nice hot slippery water, turn the dial to Suds-Return, and she'll be hot as hell. | ||
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Post# 394236 , Reply# 34 11/18/2009 at 10:16 (5,266 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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| Post# 394252 , Reply# 35 11/18/2009 at 11:35 (5,266 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 394253 , Reply# 36 11/18/2009 at 11:40 (5,266 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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Post# 394291 , Reply# 37 11/18/2009 at 14:16 (5,266 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Some Lunchtime checking has shown...
Now that the machine has warmed up I can really test it. Unfortunately the machine has two major issues: #1 The motor overload protector keeps cutting out after the motor runs for 3 to 5 minutes. This happens even without the belt in place and the motor bearings are perfectly fine. There is probably a small short between some of the run windings. The overload switch resets itself in about 2 minutes and I can run machine for another 3 minutes or so before it cuts out again. #2 The transmission is not spinning the tub properly, keeps on agitating slowly and rotating the tub slowly which means the clutch spring deep in the transmission is broken or defective. So without a donar machine for parts, this washer unfortunatley will be turned into a Toyota :-( | ||
| Post# 394298 , Reply# 38 11/18/2009 at 14:36 (5,266 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
So without a donar machine for parts, this washer unfortunat | ||
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Post# 394304 , Reply# 39 11/18/2009 at 14:51 (5,266 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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ooooh naughty!
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| Post# 394318 , Reply# 40 11/18/2009 at 15:37 (5,266 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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subject to or in a state of ecstasy | ||
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Post# 394407 , Reply# 41 11/18/2009 at 22:46 (5,266 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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So without a donar machine for parts, this washer unfortunat
Robert, I wouldn't be too hasty to send this to Toyota's factory just yet. This is really such a rare find, I think it could even eventually be put in the future museum in MD even for dispaly. But, don't' forget there's that pesky ol ho-hum Norge in the Boston area. I bet a midnight panty raid (euphamism for raiding someone's washer basement) would yield a quite respectable donor machine. I actually preferred this machine over ours because the 8 programmed buttons didn't offer the flexibility of this model and I cursed ours for that. I think mom chose our model because of the dispensers. | ||
| Post# 394415 , Reply# 42 11/18/2009 at 23:36 (5,266 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH) | ||
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What are the specs for the spring? | ||
| Post# 394422 , Reply# 43 11/19/2009 at 00:01 (5,266 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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Post# 394449 , Reply# 44 11/19/2009 at 09:05 (5,265 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Possible Good News
I spoke to Don (jetaction) this morning and he still has that 1972-1974 Montgomery Ward Washer sitting in his garage, you remember this one which also produced this recently. Greg, Don and I found that Avocado Wards washer on the street here close to my house back in 2006. I've determined that the Wards Signature that Fred and I just found is a 1964 model, the parts donor machine is a 1972-1974 model. While I'm sure the motor can be swapped, what I'm not sure about is if the Transmission parts are compatible. I guess we will find out, although this is going to be a lot of work and no promises, if I can't get this machine to work properly out it goes, no question asked, we cannot save everything and thinking you or telling other people they should is preposterous. So keep you fingers crossed everyone.
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Post# 394467 , Reply# 45 11/19/2009 at 10:29 (5,265 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 394469 , Reply# 46 11/19/2009 at 10:30 (5,265 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 394473 , Reply# 47 11/19/2009 at 10:37 (5,265 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 394487 , Reply# 48 11/19/2009 at 11:25 (5,265 days old) by mixfinder () | ||
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Stand Back Boys I like it when you get feisty, Robert. You are spot on true, it's not your's to save everything that falls into your hands. And it seems they will be falling faster now that you have an accessory! | ||
| Post# 394488 , Reply# 49 11/19/2009 at 11:26 (5,265 days old) by mixfinder () | ||
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Don't open the door! Gosh, guess what a clamor would arise if you opened the door of a Toyota, made from a Norge, before it fully stopped? | ||
| Post# 394497 , Reply# 50 11/19/2009 at 12:30 (5,265 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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Gotta save anything NORGE They are not as plentiful as some of the other stuff...just BETTER LOL...my 41 inch range has some issues also, but it sure is different...anyone out there have any Norge service manuals...I sure could use one for my stove. | ||
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Post# 394500 , Reply# 51 11/19/2009 at 12:40 (5,265 days old) by steve1-18 (Grovetown (Augusta), GA) |
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I've got an 806, come and get it! svb14@hotmail.com 806 in the subject! | ||
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Post# 394543 , Reply# 52 11/19/2009 at 15:23 (5,265 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Request for Doctrine
Interestingly enough I found a www.automaticwasher.org/TD/ARCHIV... target=_blank>Thread from Nate who found a Norge/Wards machine with the EXACT same symptoms as this machine to the T! Ohhh Nate what ever happened to this machine? :-D Here is the parts list for the transmission in this Wards. While I have to take it apart to verify I suspect the problem child part is the clutch spring (part #9 colored in pink). When the motor turns the transmission pulley counter-clockwise this spring unwinds and allows the shaft it surrounds to turn freely and drive the agitator gears. When the motor reveres and turns the pulley clockwise the spring wraps tightly against that same shaft and meshes the shaft with the transmission housing which causes the entire transmission housing to turn. Since the wash tub is essentially bolted to the top of the transmission, both it and the wash tub spin, (just like in a Maytag). Since I have a 1974 parts donor, does anyone have a parts breakdown the mid 70s Norge transmission? I'm wondering what if any differences there are between the two???? 
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Post# 394555 , Reply# 53 11/19/2009 at 16:13 (5,265 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 394561 , Reply# 54 11/19/2009 at 16:33 (5,265 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 394562 , Reply# 55 11/19/2009 at 16:34 (5,265 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 394564 , Reply# 56 11/19/2009 at 16:47 (5,265 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 394565 , Reply# 57 11/19/2009 at 16:49 (5,265 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 394582 , Reply# 58 11/19/2009 at 18:07 (5,265 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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| Post# 394591 , Reply# 59 11/19/2009 at 19:11 (5,265 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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Junkyard Norges
Hi Kenny, I think the one solid tub Norge is a 1954 or 55, and the other one is a 1958 model. At any rate, the parts would not interchange on Freds machine at all. I think the transmition in the 1969 Touch n' Wash would be the same as Freds machine though. I hope Robert is able to get this 64 MW repaired with the parts from the early 70's "donor" machine. But if not, well, you cannot save them all, have a job, a home to maintain, and some sort of social life. Robert has saved more than his fair share of cool unusual antiques, and nobody can argue with that fact! Sometimes I feel that the ones that are the most critical around here never restore a damn thing. And that is another fact... 
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Post# 394859 , Reply# 60 11/21/2009 at 01:00 (5,264 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Good News Everyone
The Wards is saved! The amazing thing about this early machine is it has two solenoids to shift the machine into spin, not just one solenoid like the later Plus-Capacity Norge machines from the 70's. There is a brake solenoid (just like all other Norges) and a spin shifter solenoid. The old motor was leaking voltage between the windings and making it draw a lot of current. Since the spin-shifter solenoid was wired on the same line as the defective motor it wasn't getting enough power to activate it. Once I changed the motor, all is fine. To my surprise, unlike the machines of the 70s, this machine doesn't have a slipping spring clutch so the tub is brought up to speed much faster in this early design. Its just like a solid-tub Norge or a Unimatic in rev'ing up to full speed quickly. 
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Post# 394860 , Reply# 61 11/21/2009 at 01:01 (5,264 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 394861 , Reply# 62 11/21/2009 at 01:02 (5,264 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 394862 , Reply# 63 11/21/2009 at 01:03 (5,264 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 394864 , Reply# 64 11/21/2009 at 01:04 (5,264 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 394869 , Reply# 65 11/21/2009 at 01:54 (5,264 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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tub is brought up to speed much faster..in rev'ing up to
YAY!! Glad it's saved. Now, reading my description of the extract sequence, I would hope those who have played with norges from the 70s would have realized (hopefully) this design is diffferent and does get up to spin speed quite quickly--that 15 second or so spin portion before the spray rinse, you have to get up pretty quickly. I"m very grateful for the explanation of the mechanical design differences. I believe this early design was actually an achillies heel which ended causing premature failure. I'll also say, when the machine went into spin, ou could tell some difference in the light illumination in the bathroom just for a moment--and this was a 3 year old house custom built!!! also, this agitator is quite a big "wavy" compared to what our Norge had as well as our neighbor's unit, which was more like the LNC6915 from the above service manual. However, the more wavy style may have been only used for suds-saver models. The "splash" produced is quite dramatic until medium water level is reached. And I loved the 5 minute rinse agitation. also, be very careful with the filter pan. I'm amazed it's in such perfect shape. Wonder how many others in the club had exposure to Norges of this design and vintage. | ||
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Post# 394873 , Reply# 66 11/21/2009 at 02:22 (5,264 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Don't you just love the "Soak Cycle" ? Adverti
Michael, that arrangement became pretty common. GE did that. I believe Westinghouse did too. If you will notice on the photo of the Norge Dispensomat we had, on the cycle selector dial, there was the long blue cycle which went pretty much around the cycle display. Then there was the reddish pink band and the smaller blue band under the pink band. That is the exact same arrangemt as is shown on the above Wards machine but I venture to guess the Norge's pink band had a longer wash time than the 3 minutes found ont he Wards machine. Now, our Norge didn't have the pink band (hmm, the appliance gods knew even back then I wouldn't have anything pink on my appliances lol). What it did have was a soak cycle which consisted of programmed button with cold waster only and a 5 minute agitation. then the above-mentioned extract sequence with coasting spray rinse, a minute of pumping, then antother 4 minute spin and coast. also, our machine had NORGE15 on the top left on the control panel instead of the NORGE14 as shown in the drawing. Geez, I'm babling on and on about this washer and I hated it after having it around for 1 year. I still wanted a Kenmore instaed of that Norge!! and those 8 buttons weren't programmed like a lady Kenore's cycle buttons--the standaerd as to how I washed when it came to temp & speed combinations.
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Post# 394939 , Reply# 67 11/21/2009 at 11:45 (5,263 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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| Post# 395321 , Reply# 68 11/23/2009 at 10:53 (5,261 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Lemon Chiffon Pie-- Robert & Fred, those photos are dazzling
I think you & Greg made such a pie two Xmases ago, and your delicious pix reminded me of it. Does the Spiral Norge agi work like the Easy Spiralator or is it more ferocious? Would love to see it. Bob, does the pump stay on during the coast spray or is it really the rinse fill as in the mid 60's Unimatics? Thank you all three. | ||
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Post# 395324 , Reply# 69 11/23/2009 at 11:02 (5,261 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 395334 , Reply# 70 11/23/2009 at 11:13 (5,261 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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YAY FRED AND ROBERT FOR SAVING THIS MACHINE! | ||
| Post# 395339 , Reply# 71 11/23/2009 at 11:51 (5,261 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Post# 395435 , Reply# 72 11/23/2009 at 19:58 (5,261 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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| Post# 395439 , Reply# 73 11/23/2009 at 20:09 (5,261 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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FRED.... Try it on a load of nasty work rags, I dont think it can be beat, but then I guess I am the Norge nut here!! | ||
| Post# 395723 , Reply# 74 11/24/2009 at 21:34 (5,260 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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