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Post# 396471   11/29/2009 at 19:37 (5,254 days old) by pmclean ()        

Hi,

I have one of those Miele boxes that is used, as I understand it, to deliver power to washer & dryer appliances. A label on he box state that "This box is intended for use with a Miele clothes dryer, series T1500/T1400 and a Miele Washing Machine, series W1900 / W1800 only". I don't know much more that this about it, but have been told they sell for $250+, so here goes. I've lots more pictures to share & am happy to answer any questions I can.

Regards, Paul




Post# 396477 , Reply# 1   11/29/2009 at 20:09 (5,253 days old) by bosch2460 (Harrisonburg, VA)        
Hmmmm

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I have one of those boxes, too. I got mine off of Ebay for the same price you are asking. I have a Miele 1966 plugged into one side, and a 1979 G.E. dryer in the other. Yes, I am aware that its for Miele only, but I had to make do with what I had. And yes, I can run them both at the same time. My American dryer will NOT run on regular heat plugged into that box, regardless. If I do run it on any higher setting, it throws it's own switch and cuts power. It will, however, run on low, and timed dry only. So, I extract everything that needs to be put in the dryer in the Miele at 1200 rpm. A big load of towels or jeans dries in about 50 min, 1 hour max. Knowing full well that the dryer is technically not to be shared with the 220V Miele, I never leave the house with the dryer on...in the event that I even use the dryer. I am a line drier 90 percent of the time.

Ya'll let me know if I am destined to have my house burned down. I just wanted to chime in, and let you all know that you can change an American plug to match a Euro plug and use one of these with an American dryer if u want to. :)

Joel

Post# 397830 , Reply# 2   12/6/2009 at 11:05 (5,247 days old) by mrx ()        

Those plugs and socket outlets are not European.

I assume, from the labels, that that box carries fuses so it's shouldn't let you overload our wiring. However, it's definitely designed to be used with specific models of Miele machines, hence you can't dry on full heat with your GE dryer.

European CEE 7/7 plug in a CEE 7/4 socket-outlet. These are the de facto standard across Europe, except in the UK, Ireland, Cyprus and Malta (use the British system) and Denmark and Italy.

But, everyone else in the EU uses them.

French outlets are different, but they accept the same CEE 7/7 plug.

Post# 397833 , Reply# 3   12/6/2009 at 11:10 (5,247 days old) by mrx ()        
French and Belgian Version :

 The ground contact on the French and Belgian version is the pin at the top, rather than the clips on the normal version.

The same plug fits both.

Post# 397834 , Reply# 4   12/6/2009 at 11:12 (5,247 days old) by mrx ()        
UK, Ireland, Malta, Cyprus

 This is what you will find in the UK, Ireland, Malta and Cyprus.

13amps, rather than 16amps and each plug is individually fused (there's a fuse inside).

1amp, 3amps, 5amps or 13amps.

They're big brutes though and there's no non-grounded version .. so regardless of how small the appliance is there's still a big plug!

Post# 397835 , Reply# 5   12/6/2009 at 11:14 (5,247 days old) by mrx ()        
Non-grounded small appliance plug

 This is what you'll find on small appliances in Europe (except UK, Ireland, Malta and Cyprus) that are rated less than 2.5amps i.e. most small things.

Fits all socket outlets, except the UK, Ireland, Malta and Cyprus system.

Post# 397836 , Reply# 6   12/6/2009 at 11:16 (5,247 days old) by mrx ()        
Grounded European plug

 Here's the 16A grounded version : (CEE 7/7)

Post# 397837 , Reply# 7   12/6/2009 at 11:18 (5,247 days old) by mrx ()        
Non-grounded European plug - 16amps

 Here's the non-grounded 16amp plug 'Contour plug'

You'll find this on anything that draws more than 2.5amps but doesn't need a ground.

Except in the UK, Ireland, Malta, Cyprus etc.

Hope that explains the Euro system(s)

:D

Post# 397855 , Reply# 8   12/6/2009 at 12:40 (5,247 days old) by favorit ()        
update from Italy

 We too are into the Schueko world now (since mid eighties). Anyway, that's true, the old system is hard to die.
We had closer pins for 10 A plugs/outlets and farer pins for 16 A p/o. Both had the central ground pin.

The built-in outlet part in the pic is made to fit both worlds :

- old 10 A plugs
- old 16 A plugs
- Schueko (German standard) plugs
- Non grounded plugs (allowed only for double insulated devices)

No need to say it has to be wired with a 16 A line.

Post# 397864 , Reply# 9   12/6/2009 at 15:33 (5,247 days old) by mrx ()        

There's also a Swiss and a Danish system.

The Danish system's being phased out in favour of the French style sockets above.

The Danish system's very cute though :D

Smiley faces!

Here's a tripple socket!

Post# 398191 , Reply# 10   12/8/2009 at 06:54 (5,245 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        

Amazing how shallow those are (in the last pic).

Looks like the Schukos are deeper preventing one from being able to touch the pins whle energized.

Ditto the Brit powerpoint (socket/outlet) beign swithced for safety.

I'm guessing the Swiss are following the French system in that the French's outlets appear to be are similarly shallow. (Space/depth constraints).

MrX I beleive yoiu mentioned at one time a new "universal" standard in outlets/sockeets/powerpoints. Would you please kindly tell us again what that is. TYVM.

Post# 398315 , Reply# 11   12/8/2009 at 18:10 (5,245 days old) by pmclean ()        
Miele Power Splitter Box

 So can anyone tell me anymore about this box, eg who could use it ?

Post# 398471 , Reply# 12   12/9/2009 at 06:51 (5,244 days old) by favorit ()        
sorry ... everyone was thinking it is evident ....

 ... it splits an outlet into two ones. Let's see why

W 1800, W1900, T1400 and T1500 are the americanized series of W800, W900, T400 and T500 .... yet these machines run on 208-240 Volt as their euopean counterparts

Miele (recent) washers draw somewhat 2200 Watt ( about 10 amp @ 220V) , dryers draw 2900 W (about 13 amp @ 220 Volt). This mean that when they work in the meanwhile they draw more or less as much as a US made electric dryer. Then this box is made to split the 240 Volt dryer outlet into two ones.

I really can't understand why it's so difficult to have two 15 amp outlets done by an electrician rather than buy this box, as Miele is darn dear, expecially about accessories ... we are talking about a couple of outlets, four fuses and some wires that cost twohundredsfifty $$$$$$$$$$$ !!!!






Post# 398474 , Reply# 13   12/9/2009 at 07:09 (5,244 days old) by favorit ()        
"who could use it ? "

 anyone who has to fit any 230 volt european pair into a dryer outlet.

Not strictly Miele appliances, just check the amperage of both machines, the sum must not exceed 30 amp, otherwise they can't work in the meanwhile. In this case actually one can start the dryer when the washer starts rinsing or in case of tap cold wash

Post# 398706 , Reply# 14   12/10/2009 at 05:31 (5,243 days old) by mrx ()        
@Toggleswitch2

Actually, the French and Danish recessed socket outlets are deep enough to prevent any contact with live pins too.

The French outlets are as deeply recessed as Schuko. There is absolutely no possibility of coming into contact with the live pins with that system.

I think the reason it looks more shallow is a bit of an optical illusion.

French socket outlets do not have groves or clips like CEE 7/4 (Schuko). They're smoothly round and have a very serious grounding pin in the recess, which is similar to a the prongs you'd find on a Schuko plug. This provides the grounding contact, and it also helps guide / hold the plug in place.

I think the groves on the schuko outlets make them look deeper.

The Danish system is only accidentally compatible with CEE 7/7. It may have completely different specifications for the way it makes contact with the plug's pins i.e. it probably only makes contact at the tips of the pins, to ensure the live pins are not exposed, thus allowing for a shallower recess.

The UK/Ireland system - BS1363 uses sheathed pins to prevent contact with live pins. The switch is largely just for convenience. In fact, many socket outlets don't have switches, they are not required by the regulations, more just 'tradition'. They're handy in areas like kitchens where you might want to disconnect kettles, toasters etc and not have plugs dangling around your worktops! Or, for switching off your office equipment at night without having to reach down and unplug things.

From a safety perspective, however, they really have no value.

With regard to a universal standard plug, there was a proposed pan-European standard which became IEC 60906-1 (an international standard) for 230V, single phase plugs. However, nobody other than Brazil, has ever adopted it.

It's highly unlikely that it will ever be used in Europe as the expense of changing would not be warranted and CEE 7/7 is used by the vast majority of countries and far beyond the EU too i.e. the entire European continent pretty much uses them which is a total population of over 700 million people! They're also widespread in Asia, Africa and elsewhere.

Denmark and Italy seem to be adopting it now too

So really, for the sake of harmonising the UK, Ireland, Cyprus and Malta (maybe about 65 million people at most in total) with the rest of the EU, it would be serious over-kill.

It would be a bit like changing the US/Canadian NEMA 15 plugs across all of North America to convenience a couple of odd-ball US states or Canadian provinces that had standardized on something else i.e. it'd be completely crazy!

Incidentally, the French System CEE 7/5 is polarised. The plugs can only be inserted one way due to the grounding pin arrangement.

Ungrounded 16A plugs, such as that described in Post# 397837 also only fit in one direction in those sockets.

From what I gather, the French system is being adopted by Denmark, rather than German-style Schuko because it's fully polarised / polarizable.

In reality, pretty much all European countries require RCD (GFCI) protection on all outlet circuits anyway and appliances are designed to operate safely in either polarity here (including light fittings) so it's really a moot point these days.

Wiki article about IEC 60906

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Post# 398713 , Reply# 15   12/10/2009 at 06:28 (5,243 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        

~From what I gather, the French system is being adopted by Denmark, rather than German-style Schuko because it's fully polarised / polarizable.


Makes total sense. Thank you, I had not thought of that.

Post# 398716 , Reply# 16   12/10/2009 at 06:44 (5,243 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        

~I really can't understand why it's so difficult to have two 15 amp outlets done by an electrician rather than buy this box, as Miele is darn dear, expecially about accessories ... we are talking about a couple of outlets, four fuses and some wires that cost twohundredsfifty $$$$$$$$$$$ !!!!


North America has a number of different 220v "standard" outlets/powerpoints/sockets. Many of these have only 3 conductors/wires "holes"

I see that the Miele splitter box has 4 (four) holes in the sockets, being TWO hots/live, one neutral and one ground/earth. Traditional 3-hole outlets lack a neutral. Some posters here say it lacks a ground/earth, and that the 3rd hols IS the neutral Actually, that is because we are (were) allowed to use the two interchagably with some (heavy-draw) 220v appliances.

I dont know if Mieles made for this market have any 110v compnents. If they do, a neutral is needed to get that voltage. [Tradition dictates that any components that are NOT a heater or perhaps a fan motor (think 220v A/C) be 110v].

Basically I think the answer to your question is that Euro washers & dryers are odballs, take too much time and have a small capacity. It is a PERCEPTION here that they are high-end. Not everyone wants a set or believes they need them. The beauty of it is when selling a house one can revert back to U.S. standard machines and connections and take the Euro washer & dryer with them to their new home. No fuss; no muss.

I'd say ideally one should MAKE their own converter box.

Post# 398756 , Reply# 17   12/10/2009 at 11:55 (5,243 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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One thing with that box its made for a 240 volt Miele washer and 240volt dryer. Most if not all Miele washers sold today in North America except for the Little Giants are 120 volt. When I bought my Miele w4800 washer and T9800 dryer the washer was 120v and the dryer had a 4 prong plug attached. I needed to buy an adapter cord to convert it from 4 prong down to 3 since I had a 3 prong 240 volt outlet for the dryer. That cord cost me about $80. That box I saw at the dealer and they had it listed for $150. The other end of that plug is 3 prong thats why Miele says to have the box grounded.

Post# 398761 , Reply# 18   12/10/2009 at 12:36 (5,243 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        

Persoanlly, I'd love a 220v boil-washer and a condenser dryer IN ADDITTION to my regular machines.

And by that I mean a top-loader and a gas, vented dryer.

Post# 398846 , Reply# 19   12/10/2009 at 21:10 (5,242 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

"Basically I think the answer to your question is that Euro washers & dryers are odballs, take too much time and have a small capacity."

There is a bigger perception on your (and other Americans) part that our washers have small capacity and take lightyears to complete. Anybody would think that we spent all our woken hours doing laundry!

Post# 398868 , Reply# 20   12/10/2009 at 22:33 (5,242 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        

Yes, actually we are used to different ways. And the above probably does describe the sentiment of many in North America.

To make permanent changes to our homes and wiring to accomodate machines of a different ethos makes little sense, especially if they are a fad or a have an extremely limited following in North America at this time.



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Post# 398917 , Reply# 21   12/11/2009 at 04:57 (5,242 days old) by mrx ()        

@toggleswitch2

When you see how complicated the split-phase 110V system becomes when you need to plug in some heavy appliances, you can really see why it was dropped in Europe.

Back in the early part of the 19th century, some European countries had 127V/220V systems which were wired in a similar way to those found today in North America, just with a slightly different voltage and frequency. In fact, some of them are still in use in areas that were influenced by European wiring methodologies at that time e.g. parts of the Caribbean, Africa and certain countries in the Middle East.

Because of a demand for 3000W+ appliances by the 1950s e.g. space heaters, dryers, electric kettles etc etc they were abandoned and single phase 220V hot + 0V neutral became the norm.

It always surprises me that the North American system wasn't simplified too.

I notice that there are a lot more 20amp socket outlets arriving in the US/Canada in newer homes to provide more power in areas like kitchens.

It would make sense to provide a bit more juice in laundry rooms these-days too with the advent of front loading washing machines in the states and canada.

It seems that the wiring regs aren't quite catching up with the demand.

Post# 398918 , Reply# 22   12/11/2009 at 04:58 (5,242 days old) by mrx ()        

Sorry that should have read 1900's not 19th century !!

Woops! :)

Post# 398929 , Reply# 23   12/11/2009 at 06:40 (5,242 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        

~It always surprises me that the North American system wasn't simplified too.

It's a shame that there are worldwide differences in the frequency of power (50/60Hz). Were they one and the same, conversion to 220v nationally would have been easier and perhaps a bit less costly.

When the UK gets rid of ring-circuits and this continent 110v, we'll all be closer to the majority's way of electrical wiring! [And let me tell you how fascinating ring-circuits are to us "outsiders"! One's jaw falls to the ground!]

:-)

Perhaps when the Chinese take us over, they will convert us. :-)

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