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Post# 406187   1/15/2010 at 05:15 (5,212 days old) by timon90 (Norway)        

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Hi folks. It's been a really long time since last time I was active her.

But here comes the "bomb":

I've got a Hoover Keymatic:D The model with the round clock, instead of the timeline programme indicator. It hasnt been used since 1980!!

Dos anyone here know where I can get a new doorseal for this?

Thanks





Post# 406190 , Reply# 1   1/15/2010 at 05:26 (5,212 days old) by mark1973 ()        

Hi

Firstly congratulations on your new Keymatic!

As far as im aware a new doorseal is keeping a few Keymatics that collectors have from operating.(Asuming you have a slant front model).

They cannot be purchased anymore as no one is making even pattern ones.

I may be wrong though so you may be lucky.

Mark


Post# 406193 , Reply# 2   1/15/2010 at 06:19 (5,212 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Hi Tom, congrats on finding a keymatic, do you have the manuals as well!!! the door boots are NLA as Mark said, and even so if you found one would probably be mush after all this time!!! we are currently experimenting with different boots here both old and new..the seventies hoover boots (generic) do fit the tub but are small around the outer cabinet ...

Why dont you try some new replacement boots for size and see!!! you might strike lucky, and if you do you`ll certainly have a few customers!!! is it working besides the seal??

Cheers, Mike


Post# 406196 , Reply# 3   1/15/2010 at 06:54 (5,212 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hi Tom,
Great to hear of another survival..Hope you can source a new door boot soon.
I think I have the same machine as you, the one with the round indicator.
Regards
Keith


Post# 406198 , Reply# 4   1/15/2010 at 07:02 (5,212 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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Hello Tom

yes a brilliant find indeed, beuatiful looking machines, sorry to say i cannot advise as to the door rubbers.......i have heard mention of glueing two different ones together, but i do not know anymore.

Mark
Hello matey hows you:-)

Tom can ask if you are "timonspub" on youtube ?

Gary


Post# 406200 , Reply# 5   1/15/2010 at 07:25 (5,212 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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I have a Hoover Key for a Keymatic that Mike sent me. These are beautiful washers, I can't wait to bring my key over there and put it into one! (well, you know what I mean ;-)

Post# 406201 , Reply# 6   1/15/2010 at 07:27 (5,212 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Same model as I have! It seems like there are still quite a few around! I hope you will find a seal!

Louis


Post# 406219 , Reply# 7   1/15/2010 at 09:03 (5,212 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Mikes Keys

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Gansky
YOu mean Mike sent you a keymatic key plate without the machine!!!!.........how insensitive of him.........he sent me a BMW series 5 owners book once.........i waited for weeks for the car to turn up............nothing! :-(


Post# 406293 , Reply# 8   1/15/2010 at 15:30 (5,212 days old) by richukbristol ()        

Hi Tom congratulations on the new find, hope you can get it working again. My Grandmothers friend had the same model. She'd let me play with it when we would vist but warned me not to break or loss the keyplate. She had it up untill the early 80's. It was replaced with a Philips slim star. The keymatic then sat next to her coal bunker under some plastic sheeting for months, I begged my parents to let me have it but alas the answer was no.

Hi keith ur's looks amazing, I think the blue panel looks so nice.


Post# 406303 , Reply# 9   1/15/2010 at 16:26 (5,212 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Sigh.....

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....oh the memories of my favourite aunt every time I see a slant-front keymatic....

I hope you manage to find a suitable boot....


Post# 406531 , Reply# 10   1/16/2010 at 15:08 (5,211 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Mine luckily still has an intact boot, however I need a Keyplate that'll engage the heater as it came with a Hoover AU special Cold Fill Cold wash jobbie.

Does anyone have a Hot + Cold fill or Cold fill and heat keyplate that they'd be prepared to part with for Love and or money :)

Reader is as below



Post# 406532 , Reply# 11   1/16/2010 at 15:10 (5,211 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Current Key looks like this

Post# 406719 , Reply# 12   1/17/2010 at 00:48 (5,210 days old) by ozhoover (Melbourne, Australia, but now living in London)        

Hi Nathan,

Hey I have a couple of sets of keyplates for my Keymatic happy to look and see what I have doubles of and part with....

Now the only problem is it's all in storage in Melbourne and I'm living in the UK now but I plan to be back in OZ around March/April so happy to have a look then for you..if you can wait...

Mark
Here's a pic of my machine....


Post# 406727 , Reply# 13   1/17/2010 at 01:54 (5,210 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Mark...

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....whilst not 'mint' that looks to be in remarkably good nick...

As I mentioned above, my aunt in East Balmain had one....she cried when it left to be replaced by a Zodiac 475....

Is yours fully functioning?


Post# 406741 , Reply# 14   1/17/2010 at 06:17 (5,210 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

Hi Brisnat

I probably still have a spare red keyplate. I used to have several. I will have to mount a search at two addresses, stand by...

Chris.


Post# 406742 , Reply# 15   1/17/2010 at 06:19 (5,210 days old) by robliverpool (england Liverpool)        

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What would be really good is if someone got some perspex or glass and do a vid of the was action on a keymatic. would be great to see the water levels and the wash actions

Post# 406861 , Reply# 16   1/17/2010 at 13:33 (5,210 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Thanks Mark and Chris, I'll cross my fingers and toes :)

Cheers

Nathan

PS, its great to see so many Keymatics popping out of the woodwork.


Post# 406880 , Reply# 17   1/17/2010 at 14:50 (5,210 days old) by timon90 (Norway)        

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If someone have all possible keyplates, maybe it's a chance to get someone to "copy" them, in f.ex plexiglass?!

Post# 407061 , Reply# 18   1/18/2010 at 05:26 (5,209 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

You don't need plexiglass or glass. You can operate a Keymatic with the door open.
On a Keymatic the door boot is VERY floppy and flexible, it needs to be. The drum moves around a lot more than newer machines. The drum is suspended on a cable and two very soft springs, as the drum fills with water it drops till it is sitting on a lip at the front of the frame, then the drum keeps lowering at the back so it tilts back as it fills. So when it is full the water level is higher than the top of the pulsator at the back (that is, more than half way up) but below the rubber seal at the front. The combination of the severe backward tilt of the tub and the deep door boot means only a few drops of water splash out when you do a load with the door open. (You have to bypass the door switch and disable the drum brake - Unlike most front loaders, the Keymatic has a drum brake linked by a cable to the door hinge, so when you open the door the drum is braked, though it isn't a strong brake.)
The soft suspension means that the Keymatic copes very well with unbalanced loads, the drum can be dancing around madly on spin but the cabinet will be still and quiet, with no vibration and even on its castor wheels, no wandering.

Several years ago when I lived in inner suburban Melbourne (Richmond) I owned several Keymatics I had collected from roadside hard garbage collections, plus some spare parts. When my partner and I were ready to move to the sticks, I had not yet discovered this great website and community, so I didn't really appreciate what I had and I disposed of most of it - a restored Keymatic I gave to the Salvation Army for a window display at a thrift shop, and the rest, I shudder to admit, went to the tip. I only kept a few spare parts. I had converted one to run from 12 volts DC, not automatic I must add, it used a Renault windscreen wiper motor for the wash and a small golf buggy motor for spin, plus a car heater fan motor to belt drive a Hoovermatic pump, plus 12 volt solenoids for water inlets and two clockwork timers, one for fill/wash and one for drain/spin. It worked really well and used hardly any power from my rudimentary solar power system at the time, but later I improved the solar power setup so I could use a regular washing machine and the poor old 12 volt Keymatic went to the tip, though I kept the parts to convert another.
Since then I have rescued another Keymatic, a Mark 4, but I can't restore it as the motor is missing. (about 15 to 20 years ago when Keymatics were being junked all around the country, people used to salvage the motor as a Keymatic motor/gearbox makes a good barbeque rotisserie motor for spit roasts.)
Chris


Post# 407063 , Reply# 19   1/18/2010 at 05:41 (5,209 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Nooooooooooo.................

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......I could almost cry at that Chris...


Post# 407065 , Reply# 20   1/18/2010 at 06:07 (5,209 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Hi Keith, lovely looking machine, looks straight out the showroom, lovely huey blue fascia..is that the original boot on your 3226??

Greg & gang, you know we are waiting?? especially that Jetcone who played with one of the Isle of wight many moons ago!!!

Hi Louis, could you post a close up pic of your black & white keyplate, I`m trying to determine what slot is different than on the "All Cold" Aus one??

Mark, did all the A3224 timeline keymatics have a white outer cabinet in Aus?? my Aunts emigrated to Melbourne in 1968 with Pilkingtons Glass and I only found out last year that when Aunty Fran arrived they where in rented, and She had a Keymatic A3226 which she absolutely loved...

Tom, have a few of the keyplates, no 3226 models though, we where talking about it last year, that possibly you could make replicas out of balsa / plastic etc, after all its just grooves in the slots that activate the cams/ prog reader for the programmes etc!! The one thing that doesnt happen is that the keplates are transferrable, like the advertising stated...most machines have slightly different keyplate readers etc...I have used different ones in other machines but not all programmes sequence in the correct way!!!



Post# 407066 , Reply# 21   1/18/2010 at 06:14 (5,209 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Ohh

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Hi Chris, wev`e all been there with stuff had we known the fascination & value it would now still be with us!!
Fascinating about how you where able to make it work 12 volts, just goes to show what can be achieved, very intreagued as to how fast the barbi would turn, would it be wash speed reduced through the drive wheels?? have visions of flicking it to spin and everyone covered with flying spitroast!!!


Post# 407089 , Reply# 22   1/18/2010 at 10:19 (5,209 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Mike

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Here's a picture of the two keyplates with programme 1 at the front.

Post# 407090 , Reply# 23   1/18/2010 at 10:20 (5,209 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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And another picture with programme 5. I can send you larger pictures by mail if you need them.


Post# 407160 , Reply# 24   1/18/2010 at 13:58 (5,209 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi All,

Egads Watson, I think I've got it.

When you compare my keyplate to Louis's, mine clearly has notches removed.

That would be the difference I suppose.

In the past I've attempted to line the notches up to contacts on the keplate to compare to the repair manual, but there seems to be more notches on the keyplate than there are in the manual.


Post# 407307 , Reply# 25   1/19/2010 at 03:30 (5,208 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Keyplates

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Thanks Louis, just what we where thinking about the notches etc...is the black keyplate on the LHS Cold Fill?? and the red on the RHS Hot & Cold??

Hi Nathan, so were all the Cold fill Cold Wash keyplates like that?? just had their notches removed?? Having never used this type of keyplate or reader, does the reader engage with the those notches cut out of the white middle bit?? as well as the side notches??




Post# 407313 , Reply# 26   1/19/2010 at 04:29 (5,208 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
I wondered about that too

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Its fairly easy to see how the later versions which Mike have work, but I wondered about the earlier version too, if it used the cut outs on the white part too.

Sounds to me like a project with Matt involved to see how these actually works - camcorders at the ready :)
Al


Post# 407338 , Reply# 27   1/19/2010 at 07:44 (5,208 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        
cutouts

the cutouts on the outer edge (black above) worked the card reader fingers.

The inner cutouts (white above, one per face) were the retainer so that the card clicked into place and wouldn't vibrate out or get removed by rotten children.

The basic principle of the keyplate is quite simple: The timer has every possible option in sequence. Each stage where the timer might stop can be bypassed (no bump on keyplate) or completed (bump on keyplate). So the keyplate reader consists of a row of switches, each one corresponds to a spot on the timer. Where there is a bump on a keyplate, that switch is opened and the timer stops at that place. Where there is no bump, that switch remains closed and the timer skips past that part of the cycle. This means that if you pull out the keyplate during a cycle, all switches are closed and the timer skips directly to the end.
The timer activates every part of the cycle as it skips through, so if you pull out a keyplate it will fill, tumble, pump, spin for a second or so each as it passes that point of the cycle.
Chris


Post# 407341 , Reply# 28   1/19/2010 at 07:50 (5,208 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        
sacrilege of the keymatic bbq

Hi Mike

The motor has a pulley at one end which turns motor speed (fast) which is the spin pulley. The other end of the motor has a reduction gearbox and a slow pulley, which is the wash pulley. So as long as you connect your bbq to the slow pulley, you will have a spit roast, not a "spin roast".


Post# 407342 , Reply# 29   1/19/2010 at 07:57 (5,208 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)        
centre notches

Hi all

the centre notches were for the 3224 locking pin. To remove the keyplate you had to press the button on the underside of the control panel whilst withdrawing it. This feature was not included in subsequent models.

And yes Mike we need to get back out with the tools this year and get ours running, and Al your camcorder skills and afternoon tea will be most welcome, we need some films of these in action. Hopefully see you soon.

Mathew


Post# 407418 , Reply# 30   1/19/2010 at 13:20 (5,208 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Mike,

I havent seen another Cold fill Cold wash Keyplate, and my Service literature from the late 60's seems to predate it as it only talks about the two standard Keyplates and two types of readers.

I assume Hoover's promise of being able to adapt the machine as new technologies arrived came true, and with the Energy crisis and the advent of Cold Power in the 70's, they released a cold wash keyplate.


Post# 407461 , Reply# 31   1/19/2010 at 16:33 (5,208 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
I've commented...

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....about my keymatic owning aunt before...

BUT...

I should comment that she always held the 'cold water washing' mantra near and dear to her heart and had done since the early 1960's....

I would bet my 'you know what's' that she had a cold wash keyplate....even the replacement Zodiac was only ever put on a warm or hot wash when I was there...


Post# 407596 , Reply# 32   1/20/2010 at 05:38 (5,207 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Keyplates

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Well that sound like a spring/summer plan boys, lets get playing & fixing!! Al, get your Kenwoods at the ready!!!

Chris thanks for the explaination of the workings, I thinks those clicks & whirrs are fab, "Spit Roast, not Spin Roast...Lol that makes sense now!!!

How long did the wash take on "Cold" then ?? these cycles are very short even after heating (8mins & 4mins), so was the wash time extended??


Post# 407736 , Reply# 33   1/20/2010 at 15:26 (5,207 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Mike...

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..I honestly have no idea. I remember the Keymatic being used, but not to the degree that I can remember the cycle times.

Post# 407767 , Reply# 34   1/20/2010 at 16:56 (5,206 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        
Keymatic Door Seals

If enough members got together would it not be possible to get a company to specially make up some of these door seals? I know a new mold would have to be made but couldn't this be made up from an existing seal?

The minimum order may be 100 or something but it might be worth it in the long run. Might be worth doing before every surviving example perishes to nothing. The same could be said for the sump hose aka. bagpipes as they were known in the trade.

Failing that, perhaps Hoover or Qualtex still have a mold for these and might be feeling charitable and donate it if someone explained their cause?

Just a suggestion.

Tom.


Post# 407809 , Reply# 35   1/20/2010 at 18:43 (5,206 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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Now there's a thought...

Post# 407834 , Reply# 36   1/20/2010 at 20:11 (5,206 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

No extension of the washtime, the timer doesnt allow for it. It just skips straight through the heat phase and goes into the main wash.

Post# 407844 , Reply# 37   1/20/2010 at 20:45 (5,206 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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That would be one very quick cycle....

Post# 407945 , Reply# 38   1/21/2010 at 06:31 (5,206 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

yes, 8 minutes for delicate or 4 minutes for cottons / regular cycles.

(the reason the delicate cycle is longer is because the vigorous wash action uses the pulsator as well as drum tumbling, the delicate cycle uses tumbling only so extends the wash by 4 minutes.)

The pulsator drive clutch is a weakness in these machines, when I still had my machines I spoke to a couple of Hoover mechanics who said they always disconnected the pulsator drive by removing the clutch, and told customers to always use the delicate cycle to get the longer wash. One of these old guys was a Keymatic enthusiast and used one to wash all his workshop rags. He still had several dead Keymatics behind the shop. I went there a few years later to chase some parts, the business has closed down.


Post# 407946 , Reply# 39   1/21/2010 at 06:36 (5,206 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Mayner and Cochran

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..In Canberra had one years ago that they couldn't get the keyplate out of....

May just give them a call tomorrow and see if they still have it....


Post# 407963 , Reply# 40   1/21/2010 at 07:33 (5,206 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Wow

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So I take it cold wash powders had to do their job in these machines!!! would you maybe have to pre-treat stains or did "Cold" powder really work on its own?? Gosh at that rate it would be quicker pound for pound than a Hoovermatic!!!



Post# 407965 , Reply# 41   1/21/2010 at 07:41 (5,206 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Four minutes makes sense

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For the cottons/regular cycles as that was the maximum wash time on all Hoovermatics. They must have used quite a lot of water to have made the pulsator action any good. How was it for tangling given that that was a critism often directed at the Hoovematic?

I was wondering how the Keymatic might have fared in the US had it been sold there - presumably as a portable given that it was on wheels etc. I presume that it was not sold in Canada either.
Al


Post# 408014 , Reply# 42   1/21/2010 at 11:37 (5,206 days old) by mynameismiele ()        
Question for timon90

When are you going to post new vids of your washers on YouTube?

Post# 408095 , Reply# 43   1/21/2010 at 14:54 (5,206 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

My two penniesworth and guess what, its a question!

Me being daft but why were the Australian Keymatics, that I have seen pictures of, called MkIV or Mark IV.

Silly question I know but were there Mark I, Mark II and Mark III versions, or was it a simple marketing name?

cheers
Paul


Post# 408096 , Reply# 44   1/21/2010 at 14:55 (5,206 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
LOL....

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....no, that is a GOOD question

Post# 408291 , Reply# 45   1/22/2010 at 07:01 (5,205 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

I have never seen a Mk anything except a Mk IV.

I have owned a couple of the early ones with a timeline display and the green body panel. The one I restored was the round display type with the word "Keymatic' with the capital K and lower case other letters, like Brisnat's photo above. The one I have now is a Mark IV, with the "KEYMATIC" in all caps.

So as far as I know, the only Keymatic called "Mark" was the Mark IV.

Chris.


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Post# 408294 , Reply# 46   1/22/2010 at 07:08 (5,205 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Could it be...

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Is it that the early ones where imported from Merthyr Tydfyl and that the ones presented Mark IV etc where made at Meadowbank??

Post# 408485 , Reply# 47   1/22/2010 at 17:27 (5,204 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
No Keymatics made in Aus

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Hey Mike

My contact who used to be an engineer at Hoover told me ALL Australian Keymatics were imported from the UK. Why they were only called Mark IV, don't know. I'll ask him the next time i'm chatting to him.

Leon


Post# 408590 , Reply# 48   1/23/2010 at 04:47 (5,204 days old) by ozhoover (Melbourne, Australia, but now living in London)        
Looks like mine was Ozzie made

Hi Leon

My Keymatic's rating plate shows it was made at Medowbank, here's a few pics... Think the early one's where imported from the UK.... as have seen machines with both made in the UK and Australia in the past...

Mark


Post# 408591 , Reply# 49   1/23/2010 at 04:47 (5,204 days old) by ozhoover (Melbourne, Australia, but now living in London)        
Pic 2

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Post# 408598 , Reply# 50   1/23/2010 at 05:56 (5,204 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

Mine definitely says made in Australia, and I think the older timeline one was too.

Post# 408599 , Reply# 51   1/23/2010 at 05:59 (5,204 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
My mistake then

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My mistake then

Sorry!!!!...i bow to the experts! Hoover isn't my favourite brand unlike Simpson and Wilkins Servis
Leon


Post# 409358 , Reply# 52   1/25/2010 at 15:58 (5,202 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Still....

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Leon,

I've had a look around my mothers laundry as promised some months ago for the instruction book for her Simpson washer...no luck I'm sorry to say...

Given that Hoover isn't your most favoured brand, and I now have a HUGE by our standards laundry, if you happen to see anything interesting....say a functioning Keymatic......on your travels, feel free to let me know ;)



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