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Thread Number: 26943
Front load machines add water at the door? |
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| Post# 414100 , Reply# 1 2/9/2010 at 21:23 (5,183 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
My Frigemore fills for the main wash,first and third rinses through the dispenser and directly sprays through an opening at the top of the rubber boot.For the second rinse,it fills from under the perforated drum.I think it is to help mix the detergent, bleach,and softener separately but thoroughly.My old Magic Chef (Philco of Italy)filled through the dispenser but not directly onto the clothes and made the powdered detergent sink down into the sump instead of mixing thoroughly.I wound up pouring the detergent directly onto the clothes.I sometimes (when using a powdered detergent) still do pour the detergent right onto the clothes to be sure the right amount is used.
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| Post# 414120 , Reply# 2 2/9/2010 at 22:48 (5,183 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
It all depends....
....on the machine. Most machines sold in Australia go 'drawer to drum' with only a couple, such as Bosch or Siemens, sending it over the door. There are a couple of ways that manufacturers have stopped or minimised detergent loss tthrough the sump. - Using a recirculation jet system (Zanussi/Electrolux) - a ball device to isolate Sometimes a 'short' drawer can give the impression that a machine is filling over the door too. Longer detergent drawers discharge further along the drum of the machine (Miele, European Electrolux/Zanussi, older Hoover) whilst shorter drawers (say less that 8") discharge just inside the drum, nearer the door which may give the impression of 'filling over the door' | ||
Post# 414167 , Reply# 6 2/10/2010 at 08:19 (5,182 days old) by logixx  (Germany) |
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True, it is indeed to show people that water is entering the washer. The jet can actually even be turned off on Miele washers. Another benefit is that it helps to saturate the load faster. I think Whirlpool (and perhaps other manufacturers, too) uses the Direct Inject nozzle to spray fresh rinse water over the laundry while the drum is slowing down from spin. | ||
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Post# 414230 , Reply# 7 2/10/2010 at 14:25 (5,182 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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I believe Whirlpool has a patent on the spin-fill method. I remember when the duet first came out, there was a link to an interview floating around where a whirlpool engineer talked about it. While some do fill as the drum slows from a spin, the Whirlpool maintains a slow spin, just enough to keep the load pressed against the side of the drum. My Whirlpool duet cousin, a Kenmore HE3t, maintains a steady, slow spin while it fills for the rinses. It is supposed to pull the fresh rinse water though the load for better rinsing. I don't know if this is it, but the link at the bottom sounds similar how my washer works, with the exception of it then tumbling after the fill. Another interesting link: www.faqs.org/patents/app/20080256... Another benefit of filling by spraying the water into the middle of the load, is that large loads are saturated faster than the scoop and shower method. Whirlpool now describes it as: Direct Inject Wash System Penetrates stains and pretreats soils with a concentrated burst of detergent virtually eliminating the need to pretreat. The wash cycle begins only after the entire load has been treated. CLICK HERE TO GO TO joe_in_philly's LINK | ||
| Post# 414315 , Reply# 8 2/10/2010 at 20:40 (5,182 days old) by favorit () | ||
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D.I.W.S. ..... aka D.E.S. Bauknecht (WP's german factory where Duets are made) used (still uses ?) this very "Direkt Einspuel System" on their machine. I have never heard about it on italian made Whirlpool frontloaders (24" models) | ||
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Post# 414360 , Reply# 9 2/10/2010 at 23:13 (5,182 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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I miss the direct inject action of my Duet. For regular fill cycles there would sometimes be water hitting the glass, but not always. Same for my current Affinity washer. But the Affinity is a total POS where rinsing is concerned, compared to the direct inject method of the Duet. Being among the cheapest of the FL machines on the market, it's interesting that Frigidaire/Electrolux thinks their customer base is even remotely curious about water levels, if that's why they have water hitting the glass. IMO, the thing that sales staffs needs to advise the customer and really drive home with them is that they should never, ever, latch the washer door closed after use. My guess is that there are far more complaints about musty smells than there are about water levels. | ||
| Post# 414367 , Reply# 10 2/10/2010 at 23:38 (5,182 days old) by favorit () | ||
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go figure the Affinity here can't have the further 4 years warranty the other european made E'lux can subscribe after the legal/default 2 year warranty is expired. And as you can read on this board current AEG and Zanussi are no more what they used to be .... | ||
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Post# 414938 , Reply# 12 2/13/2010 at 06:45 (5,179 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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My Miele flushes its glass and boot for just a few seconds at the beginning of a cycle, then the detergent goes down the traditional way. I think to recall it is meant to prevent squeaking sounds of dry laundry rubbing against the glass. When loaded to full capacity in the normal cotton cycle it certainly does help. It also fills for the rinses over the glass, I really love that because it keeps the boot clean of detergent residue even if I would use ultra low rinse water levels, but I don`t ;-) A friend has cheap Whirlpool that dumps the detergent directly from the boot into the load, and he always ends up with undissolved Megaperls around the glass and boot. Whirlpool`s repair guy recommended to use a liquid instead, what a joke ! I also had an AEG with a recirculation jet for a year or so then we parted again. Thought it is too unsanitary when after a low temperature load some remaining water is sitting in the sump for a whole week or even longer to be pumed onto the next load. | ||
| Post# 414940 , Reply# 13 2/13/2010 at 07:06 (5,179 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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My Speed Queen FL has an independent spray nozzle above the door, it sprays a fine mist in the basket. It is meant to aid in the saturation of the clothes at the beginning of the wash as well as a 25 second suds kill spray prior to the first spin sequence. This machine is able to handle a fair amount of suds and rinse them away. The manual says that the level of suds during the was should not rise above the center of the door. On the couple of loads where the suds came up that high, they were beat down by the end of the first rinse. The detergent compartment is flushed and emptied into the outer wash tub at the back of the machine. I prefer this method over the dumping of powdered detergent directly on to the dry load. Malcolm | ||
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