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Post# 417996   2/23/2010 at 19:18 (5,174 days old) by mieleforme ()        

They will be here tomorrow and I cant wait!




Post# 418010 , Reply# 1   2/23/2010 at 20:29 (5,174 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        
LUCKY!!!

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I wish I could afford a set and had the space! However, there won't be much room in a dorm room for a set come fall... lol

However, I think I might prefer the stainless Miele Professional version of this set!

Post# 418033 , Reply# 2   2/23/2010 at 21:02 (5,174 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Jamie, I iknow ya don't want the machines, you just want the guy doing the laundry lol.

Post# 418035 , Reply# 3   2/23/2010 at 21:03 (5,174 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Congratulations mieleforme, I can't wait to hear all ya have to say about them. YOu taking off work, playing with the machines, and doing laundry?

Post# 418087 , Reply# 4   2/24/2010 at 01:33 (5,174 days old) by mieleforme ()        

I would dig that professional set for sure. I’ve seen them before, but talk about expensive…. $3700.00 for this set was on the edge of too much, but I’m going to trust in Miele and hopefully make out better in the long run.

Working shift work I have the next two days off so yes, I will be putting these things to the test. Wife should enjoy not having to do the laundry for a few more days/weeks. I even scored the service manuals for both units; I have already decided what program functions I am going to change with both the washer and dryer. What a nerd I am……


Post# 418111 , Reply# 5   2/24/2010 at 07:49 (5,174 days old) by appnut (TX)        
What a nerd I am……

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Naaaww, not at all. Just being cool, in tune, and in touch. What functions are ya going to change? How were ya able to get a set of the service manuals? Can't wait to hear your feedback.

Post# 418120 , Reply# 6   2/24/2010 at 08:27 (5,174 days old) by favorit ()        
Bob

 check THS Laundry forum - user moon1234 made a cut-and paste from it

Post# 418176 , Reply# 7   2/24/2010 at 13:17 (5,174 days old) by mieleforme ()        

I’ve decided to turn on the suds cooling, Sensor controlled rinse process, Hygiene option and turn off the bleach dispenser, as I will not be using it. I’m going to experiment with the factory set water levels before I adjust those. However I see myself adding the extra rinse option, not sure on increasing the water levels yet, maybe both who knows.

On the dryer I am only adding an extra 10 min cool down period for now. Depending on my drying results I will go back and adjust the conductivity settings and or dryness levels on the moisture monitor.

I got the manuals from someone on the Garden Web form. If anyone wants them shoot me your email.

mrdsmith29@gmail.com


Post# 418249 , Reply# 8   2/24/2010 at 18:28 (5,173 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Cool!!! Looking forward to hearing about your observations and perceptions. I thought about ya a couple of times during work today thinkin that guy is home bonding with his Mieles. I'll send ya an email a little bit later.

Post# 418277 , Reply# 9   2/24/2010 at 20:02 (5,173 days old) by favorit ()        
"Hygiene Info"

 Maybe you already know it .... anyway repetita juvant :)

Hygiene Info
- Off
- On

is NOT a true sanitize cycle for laundry. It displays a warning on the screen when the previous cycle had a temp lower than 140°F.
The washer asks you if you want to sanitize the tub before your next load. Not necessary if next load will be @ 140 at least,
maybe it is useful if you're about to wash your wool jumper and your neighbour has just washed dog blankets ....

If you enter "ok" the machine will run a empty short, very hot cycle to sanitize the tub.

This feature is used on the Little Giants in condos / multiple households installations or laundromats
IMHO it is useless in a normal household, where one (maybe 2) person deal with laundry and does know what he/she has done before

Post# 418329 , Reply# 10   2/25/2010 at 00:42 (5,173 days old) by mieleforme ()        
"Hygiene Info"

 According to what I read it prompts you to to a high temp (sanitize cycle) if you haven't done a high temp cycle in a while. Just to insure the machine stays clean. I know its not that big of a deal considering I will be doing hot washes but I thought I would switch it on any how. I doubt I will ever see the prompt to "clean Machine, or sanitize" But you know..... Just incase :)

Post# 418334 , Reply# 11   2/25/2010 at 00:57 (5,173 days old) by mieleforme ()        

Decided to pop the top off before I started them up ( two screws, 3 min)

Post# 418336 , Reply# 12   2/25/2010 at 00:59 (5,173 days old) by mieleforme ()        

inside#2

Post# 418337 , Reply# 13   2/25/2010 at 01:01 (5,173 days old) by mieleforme ()        

Installed

Post# 418348 , Reply# 14   2/25/2010 at 03:56 (5,173 days old) by favorit ()        
nice machines

 ... it very strange to see some miele laundry appliances without the good old yellow key to open the door.

There's no game, the W48XX look far better than the european 24" series W4000/W6000.

I find this W6766 a bit out of proportion to the W4840

Post# 418456 , Reply# 15   2/25/2010 at 14:13 (5,172 days old) by mieleforme ()        
W4000/W6000

 I agree, I also don't like that solid round door on the dryer it looks odd. I like the fact they are both glass on this series. So far, I understand why I paid what I did. Seriously, these machines are so well thought out, even if they don't last 15 years I'll continue to buy Miele. Even the drums look cool!

Post# 418467 , Reply# 16   2/25/2010 at 14:55 (5,172 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        
reprogramming

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As far as the washer goes adjust what you want. I tried to reprogram my 4800 and it wont work. But on the dryer you may find that it wont need reprogramming. Try it the way it is straight from the factory first. Oh and you wont need an extra 10 mins for cooldown. The clothes are room temp when the dryer stops. The other thing I have to stress is DONT USE DRYER SHEETS!! The powder from the sheets clog the filter and impede the airflow and you will hear it. Enjoy your set.

Post# 418491 , Reply# 17   2/25/2010 at 16:44 (5,172 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
Wow!

 Nice machines. They have an understated elegance about them.

Happy washing!

Post# 418504 , Reply# 18   2/25/2010 at 17:43 (5,172 days old) by vacfanatic ()        
Nice Insides!

 The insides look similar - here is the smaller W3033 model for the USA.

Love mine!!!
Andrew

Post# 418523 , Reply# 19   2/25/2010 at 18:00 (5,172 days old) by mieleforme ()        
reprogramming

 yea, I'm not noticing my selection being changed. Wonder why that is? It is doing a good job however.

Post# 418526 , Reply# 20   2/25/2010 at 18:12 (5,172 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
mmmmm

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Stainless v's plastic outer drums....

...and it is interesting that Miele does nothing to protect their electronics from any potential water/moisture issues...

Post# 418527 , Reply# 21   2/25/2010 at 18:13 (5,172 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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With mine I got the repair manual and I am thinking that maybe the manuals have been superceded by another updated manual. Nothing what they said to do worked. One thing with the washer is you may find that you wont need the Extended wash option. I never use mine since the HydroMatic wash action is so powerful that it will over work your clothes and they will come out looking very tired. Plus it extends the total wash time to about 2+ hours.
The dryer is very fast. I have the electric 9800 and the load rarely ever gets above body temp. Stop the dryer about midway thru the cycle and you will see that the load isnt hot like in other dryers. They work as a team and I always use the Max spin speed. That alone makes the dryer do its job fast. The dryer will be done before the washer is.
And one other thing. When using the dryer make sure you can open a window near the dryer to let fresh air into the room. This dryer will pull all the heat out of your house in the wintertime. And in no time flat too. If you hear the fan struggling to get proper airflow thru the drum it is very noticeable in the sound. As you use the dryer you will see what I mean.

Post# 418530 , Reply# 22   2/25/2010 at 18:20 (5,172 days old) by mieleforme ()        
Nice Insides!

 I agree they are well designed.The quality of the lid even impressed me. The stainless outer tub looks very nice, good thing I don't have to look at my plastic one everyday :)

When I washed our comforter last night (Cal King, fits great) I was even more impressed. The venting process the washer goes through for the master care "comforters" selection is brilliant. So simple but very effective. Well Done Miele, bravo!


Post# 418559 , Reply# 23   2/25/2010 at 20:05 (5,172 days old) by favorit ()        
Chris

 that hose you can see on the top of the tub vents steam into the *sealed* drawer to condensate, so no moisture in the cabinet.

PC boards need to be cooled down. The tub itself is a heat source, a protection may make things worse

Your Zanussi-Westinghouse has that hose too :)



Post# 418598 , Reply# 24   2/25/2010 at 21:04 (5,172 days old) by mieleforme ()        
Electronics/Drum

 Actually I thought putting the electronics on top was a good protection measure. Im my Maytag Neptune there was a control board under the tub with little protection. Probably the stupid place possible to put it.

As for the Plastic Drum. I have been told that it was designed to accommodate the American market using bleach. Apparently bleach sitting in the bottom of a SS drum isn't a good thing. I don't use bleach in this machine but the option is nice. I will say this plastic drum is supper thick and very, very strong. It almost appears to be a little over built, but I guess thats why a Miele will run for years.

Post# 418619 , Reply# 25   2/25/2010 at 21:32 (5,172 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)        
Fiberglas

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It was mentioned over in the archived thread below (which contains more disassembly pics, btw) that the tub is actually a kind of fiberglass so it should be quite durable since they make boats out of that stuff. The other stated benefit (besides bleach resistance) is that it helps hold the heat in better than a single-wall stainless tub, which is especially important with the larger sized tub. Considering it only has a 120v heater onboard, the more help it can get from the design keeping all that volume heated the better. That's probably less of an issue on the EU sized machines given the smaller capacity.

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Post# 418683 , Reply# 26   2/26/2010 at 08:04 (5,172 days old) by Bernina (Chicago)        
thanks for the photos, guys!

 Andrew, thanks for taking the time to pop the top on your new 3033... I'm actually going after work today to do some pre-shopping for one of my own!

The Illinois Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity his offering a 15% rebate on ENERGY STAR qualified clothes washers, dishwashers, refrigerators, freezers and room air conditioners for items purchased from participating retailers during April 16 – 25, 2010.

I'm going to find out details, if I have to wait to actually purchase it in April or just take delivery then. Don't want to miss out on this opportunity--the rebate will take ~$300 off the price.



Post# 418932 , Reply# 27   2/27/2010 at 07:40 (5,171 days old) by mieleforme ()        
First Vid




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Post# 418947 , Reply# 28   2/27/2010 at 09:28 (5,171 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Great vid. Lookin forward to more. Cute kids. Good to know the Miele will be really be put through it's paces dealin with kid laundry!!

Post# 419231 , Reply# 29   2/28/2010 at 12:27 (5,170 days old) by mieleforme ()        
Miele Videos

 Moving vids to a new youtube account just for all this washer stuff. My previous link wont work for long.



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Post# 419334 , Reply# 30   2/28/2010 at 16:43 (5,169 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Dryer Tumbling

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I would like to see a video of the dryer reverse tumbling, if possible.

Thanks,
Malcolm

Post# 419597 , Reply# 31   3/1/2010 at 14:46 (5,168 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        
mieleforme

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Congrats on your new machines........you will love them more each time you use them!!

Post# 420600 , Reply# 32   3/5/2010 at 01:04 (5,165 days old) by mieleforme ()        
Photos at Night

 Photos with the Drum lights.

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Post# 423022 , Reply# 33   3/16/2010 at 17:26 (5,153 days old) by mieleforme ()        
Video Of Dryer

 Reverse tumble starts at the end of the cycle in this video.

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Post# 423027 , Reply# 34   3/16/2010 at 17:43 (5,153 days old) by bertrum ()        

Very shocked Miele have gone down the plastic tub route as well!.
Very sad, I suppose even Miele are on the cost cutting slippery slope as well.



Check your pockets or it could be a new machine is my advice!

Post# 423048 , Reply# 35   3/16/2010 at 18:44 (5,153 days old) by favorit ()        
Fiberglass, not plastic

 Bertrum

- there are still around several early nineties Zanussi with Carboran outer tub. Still working

- Also european miele toploaders have a fiberglass outertub.
Both miele toploaders and american W48XX are niche products = each machine is charged with a higher depreciation rate of the production line.

However they have been able to make the W48XX slightly less expensive than the euro sized W3033. Also a stainless steel outer tub dissipates heat much faster than a fiberglass one.
Not a big issue with our 2000/3000 Watt internal heaters, but it does matter in americal models with a ***1200 W*** heater for a ****double sized machine***

Post# 423079 , Reply# 36   3/16/2010 at 21:40 (5,153 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Does the reverse tumble happen only during the cool down or does it do it some during the heated dry phase?

Post# 423086 , Reply# 37   3/16/2010 at 22:01 (5,153 days old) by mieleforme ()        
Reverse Tumble

 It does do a reverse tumble during the drying stage but they are few and far between. I have only caught it a few times and I’m not sure it does it all of the time. There must be some sort of logic controlling that function that I don’t understand. When it goes on cool down as you see in the video, it always alternates rotation. It’s amazing at what a difference that makes in a dryer.

Post# 423088 , Reply# 38   3/16/2010 at 22:04 (5,153 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I have no doubt you will have that all pegged down and sorted out in due time!! Thanks!!

Post# 423099 , Reply# 39   3/16/2010 at 23:09 (5,153 days old) by favorit ()        
Reverse tumble logic

 This dryer has separate motors for blower and drum

The pc-board reads the drum motor current draw. As soon as laundry starts tangling up into a ball, the motor suddenly draws more current, cause the wrapped up laundry is heavier to tumble. This current peak acts as signal for the reversion step.


The very same logic is used by the washer to detect the load size, so to match the right wash profile.

The pc-board matches motor current draws with load adsorbement data coming from the flow-meter,
then states wash step time , wash tumbling pattern, rinse tumbing pattern, number of rinses and water level used during rinses

My 11 y.o. novotronic works this way .... i'm pretty sure latest mieles also have the same logic at least :)

Post# 423136 , Reply# 40   3/17/2010 at 05:57 (5,153 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Gas and electric dryers from Miele have different reversing algorithms. The electric ones reverse more often. It's all described in the service manual.

Alex

Post# 423172 , Reply# 41   3/17/2010 at 10:29 (5,153 days old) by Bernina (Chicago)        
could you clarify, please?

 Favorit said "Both miele toploaders and american W48XX are niche products = each machine is charged with a higher depreciation rate of the production line."

I'm sorry but I don't understand what this means... can you explain?

Thanks!

Post# 423183 , Reply# 42   3/17/2010 at 12:18 (5,153 days old) by Somonica ()        

Have anyone here try the Swedish mode with their W48XX yet?

Soft water made more effective wash? less wash time? more rinse time / water level?

Post# 423184 , Reply# 43   3/17/2010 at 12:27 (5,153 days old) by favorit ()        
sorry for my bad english

 This is not my field (accounting) however i'll try :)

Suppose you own a whatever manufacturing firm and you are about to buy new machinery for your production lines.

Before buying new machinery you have to make some decisions wheter is worth manufacturing a product in-house rather than outsourcing it from a contractor.

One of these decisions involve the number of years you are supposed to produce with that machinery and the number of items you are supposed to produce per year.

So you will spread the cost of the machinery along its whole extimated lifespan.

To cut a long story : the more items you produce, the lower is the **machinery cost per single item** cause you spread the whole cost on more items

Now Miele sells 24" frontloaders worldwide, so the *machinery cost per item* is lower than the *same kind cost* of their niche products

Their big frontloaders are sold just in USA ,Canada and Mexico, so they have a ** higher machinery cost per item** than 24" frontloaders

Miele (but also whatever other brand) horizontal axis toploaders are sold just in mainland Europe ( they are rare in UK and Ireland). In France they are more common (50% front vs 50% top), elsewhere in europe there are typically 80% frontloaders and 20% toploaders.

If you google a bit and compare same brand FL and TL models with same spin speed, same capacity and same other features, you'll make up that horizontal axis toploaders are more expensive than frontloaders



Post# 423198 , Reply# 44   3/17/2010 at 13:38 (5,153 days old) by Bernina (Chicago)        
Thanks for the explanation, favorit!

 If you ask me, your English is favoloso!

: )

Hope I spelled that right.

Post# 423251 , Reply# 45   3/17/2010 at 17:57 (5,152 days old) by favorit ()        
thanks ...also right spelling for "fabulous" in ital

 ... anyway one who has an italian/swiss mountain as nickname can't fail to spell italian words :)

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