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Post# 420404   3/4/2010 at 14:35 (5,159 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        

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this washer was thrown out on the curb and i saw it on my way home from work. looks like a nice whirlpool late model machine, don't know anything else about it.

i threw it in the back of the jeep and got it home. gonna play around with it here and see if it runs. i'm hoping it will only need minor repairs, if any. i had one of these before with the kitchenaid name on it and it was a great washer! i left it in my old house when i sold it and wished i had brought it with me.

looks clean and new from the bottom. no rust anywhere.






Post# 420407 , Reply# 1   3/4/2010 at 14:37 (5,159 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
outer cabinet

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looks good. one small knob missing but that's an easy fix.

Post# 420408 , Reply# 2   3/4/2010 at 14:38 (5,159 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
control panel

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shot

Post# 420409 , Reply# 3   3/4/2010 at 14:40 (5,159 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
timer

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pic

Post# 420410 , Reply# 4   3/4/2010 at 14:42 (5,159 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
transmission looks

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very clean, no oil leaks

Post# 420411 , Reply# 5   3/4/2010 at 14:45 (5,159 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
motor, pump, and transmission

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all look like new!

Post# 420412 , Reply# 6   3/4/2010 at 14:46 (5,159 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
pump

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closeup shot. no leaks that i can tell (yet).

Post# 420414 , Reply# 7   3/4/2010 at 14:48 (5,159 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
hoses all look

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good, like new.

Post# 420415 , Reply# 8   3/4/2010 at 14:50 (5,159 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
tub ring or cover,

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whatever it is called is dirty but that will all clean up easily. tub itself and agitator look great!

Post# 420416 , Reply# 9   3/4/2010 at 14:52 (5,159 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
agitator

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closeup

Post# 420417 , Reply# 10   3/4/2010 at 14:55 (5,159 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
all in all it looks great

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to me. maybe i'm wrong! will find out here soon enough. gonna put some water in tub and plug it in out in the yard and see if it does anything!

this is the first washer i have picked out of the garbage in years!

Post# 420421 , Reply# 11   3/4/2010 at 15:03 (5,159 days old) by vintagesearch ()        

wow looks nice, mayeb they didnt want to clean it out and just upgrade LOL we all know strange things have happened to appliances. enjoy it

Post# 420426 , Reply# 12   3/4/2010 at 15:07 (5,159 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
i think i know what

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is wrong with it already. motor spins but no tub action so my guess is the direct drive coupler (or whatever it is called) is broken. i had this happen on my kitchanaid/whirlpool washer 4 years ago and it was a very easy and inexpensive fix.

that explains why it was at the curb! great, it will be a nice washer when fixed, one i will use as a main machine along with my frigidaire gallery front loader.

Post# 420428 , Reply# 13   3/4/2010 at 15:08 (5,159 days old) by aaronfitzy (Pennsylvania)        
lol...

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If there is any reason that it was tossed out is probly because it either needs a new motor coupler or new agitator dogs...nice find!


Aaron

Post# 420431 , Reply# 14   3/4/2010 at 15:21 (5,159 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
what are agitator dogs

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please?

never heard of them, i'm always learning here on this site, you guys are great!

Post# 420444 , Reply# 15   3/4/2010 at 15:59 (5,159 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Agitator dogs are the little flips that make the top spiral section move, most times the groves wear out and the top doesn't move properly....about 5.00 for a set

Post# 420488 , Reply# 16   3/4/2010 at 17:59 (5,159 days old) by supersurgilator (Indiana)        

That is a great washer. My aunt and uncle had one of those for about 14 years. It was heavily used and still worked when they got rid of it, all that was wrong with it was one back leg was broken and it would shake like mad when it spun. Of course they are also the type of people who commented they didn't want to pay for a new leg for it, so bought a new Maytag centennial instead.

Post# 420507 , Reply# 17   3/4/2010 at 19:19 (5,158 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
nice little DD

 nice find! looked like there was a 1998 date code on motor.
I have a 1993 KM DD 24" that was given to me and is under
repair-pretty long list of mechanical problems with it:
-top of tub post rusted away-loose tub/no spin
-leaking pump seal
-bad motor coupler
-motor centrifugal switch mechanism loose on shaft,but still
doing it's job
I bought a new coupler(of greatly improved design),the dump
will provide a good tub and other needed parts.
I have noticed at least 3 different coupler designs for these
DD machines:1984 had black rubber coupler insert,1993 had
white insert made of a urethane like material,but exact same
design as '84, recently bought replacement coupler has insert
of fiber reinforced"conveyer belting"rubber with 2 new drive
hubs with sintered iron shaft inserts and teardrop shaped
drive pins for more surface area.

Post# 420517 , Reply# 18   3/4/2010 at 19:40 (5,158 days old) by aaronfitzy (Pennsylvania)        
hey rollermatic....

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Here's a good YouTube video that will pretty much explain the agitator dogs on the Dual Action's. Its a very informative video on how to replace them.

Aaron

CLICK HERE TO GO TO aaronfitzy's LINK
Post# 420582 , Reply# 19   3/4/2010 at 23:03 (5,158 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA)        
Good washer

 My in-laws have one of these Whirlpools and it has served them very well. A lot of these machines seem to end up at the curb over an $8.00 coupler. Amazing - what a waste. I changed the one on the KitchenAid that we had in about 15 minutes.

Post# 420644 , Reply# 20   3/5/2010 at 08:34 (5,158 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Peter nice find...My friend had that machine the only thing that was different was it had those magic touch buttons in the middle.
You can't bet the reliable DD.
Congrats on your whirly.




Darren k.

Post# 420947 , Reply# 21   3/6/2010 at 13:53 (5,157 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
question please?

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i got it inside and took off the cabinet. that was interesting in itself. the entire cabinet removed from the base.

anyway. how do i remove the motor from it's mount so i can replace the broken motor coupler? i have removed the pump and i see it has 2 clamps on each side of the motor. will removing the screws on these clamps remove it or do i have to remove the 4 bolts that appear to hold it to it's mounting clamp?

here are some pics.

thanks for your comments above and that video was great too!

Post# 420948 , Reply# 22   3/6/2010 at 13:54 (5,157 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
another

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pic

Post# 420949 , Reply# 23   3/6/2010 at 13:56 (5,157 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
and

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another

Post# 420950 , Reply# 24   3/6/2010 at 13:57 (5,157 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
cabinet

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removed in one peice after i took the back panel off

Post# 420952 , Reply# 25   3/6/2010 at 13:59 (5,157 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
little bit of rust at the bottom

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but not much, gonna hit it with some rustoleum rusty metal primer

Post# 420954 , Reply# 26   3/6/2010 at 14:11 (5,157 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
top cover is dirty

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but will clean up easy enough. my portable whirlpool direct drive i got from melvin (supreme whirlpool) had the same dirt. the top of the outer tub has a ring of dirt too but all lower outer tub surface is clean. makes sense since this is where the top of the water line is.

Post# 420958 , Reply# 27   3/6/2010 at 14:17 (5,157 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
top ring

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removed for cleaning.

gonna pick up a motor coupler on monday from the local parts supply place here in town. hope to have this one back together and running monday nite!

Post# 420964 , Reply# 28   3/6/2010 at 14:37 (5,157 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        

to remove the motor just remove the 2 screws and unclip.
The 4 rubber bushings that support the motor tend to sag a bit
over time,affecting the alignment of the motor coupler,so i
might modify that arangement a little on my'93DD when i get
around to the reassembly of that machine. I noticed your
washer has different tub hole pattern than mine,yours looks
to be a '98 judging by the motor date code.I have heard some
of the later DD machines have a "neutral drain"feature but
i do not know what years.


Post# 420982 , Reply# 29   3/6/2010 at 16:26 (5,157 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
thanks for the info

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motor is off and cleaned up a bit. old coupler is out!

Post# 420983 , Reply# 30   3/6/2010 at 16:28 (5,157 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
motor looks

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new!

i see the rubber mounts you mentioned. i wonder if i should replace them too?

Post# 420984 , Reply# 31   3/6/2010 at 16:29 (5,157 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
here is the

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coupler

Post# 420985 , Reply# 32   3/6/2010 at 16:30 (5,157 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
coupler

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apart

Post# 420987 , Reply# 33   3/6/2010 at 16:32 (5,157 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
left side half

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is the one with the break in it, causing it to not grip motor shaft.

interesting little part.

Post# 420992 , Reply# 34   3/6/2010 at 16:51 (5,157 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
yet another coupler style

 that is the 4th different design of coupler i have seen
though it is pretty close to the style of replacement i
bought.As far as the rubber bushings i would just turn them
180* and reinstall.

Post# 421055 , Reply# 35   3/6/2010 at 22:58 (5,156 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA)        
Neutral drain DD

 Yes - our 2000 model year KitchenAid DD washer had a neutral drain. However, we had a friend who has a "Design 2000" Whirlpool which was a very early DD machine and I think it was a spin drain.

Andrew S.

Post# 421064 , Reply# 36   3/6/2010 at 23:33 (5,156 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Direct drive Whirlys have been of the neutral drain design for a very long time. I have a copy of service manual L-52 that covers them, dated 1985, saved by the dealer where I worked in the late 70s to early 80s.

There shouldn't be a need to reuse the rubber coupler bushing, a new bushing is included with replacement couplers.

Post# 421067 , Reply# 37   3/6/2010 at 23:44 (5,156 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        

indeed,a 1983DD i examined was spin drain and i am pretty
sure my '93DD is also spin drain.From what i understand from
a post on here a while back,on the neutral drain machines
the motor reverses direction to pump out,stops for a moment
then restarts in the same direction to engage spin,and that
a bad coupler with too much lash often causes malfunction
of this feature.


Post# 421070 , Reply# 38   3/6/2010 at 23:53 (5,156 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        

Sounds like my '93DD should be neutral drain-i will have to
grab a spare tranny at the dump to disassemble and figure out
how that works!

Post# 421478 , Reply# 39   3/8/2010 at 17:53 (5,155 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
picked up a new motor coupler

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today, this one has a metal reinforcement in the center.

Post# 421481 , Reply# 40   3/8/2010 at 17:57 (5,155 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
the old one was simply

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plastic and this is where it broke, in the center where the motor shaft grips it. this one should be much stronger i would think.

it went on easy enough and motor and pump snapped back in without a hitch.

Post# 421482 , Reply# 41   3/8/2010 at 18:00 (5,155 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
top cover cleaned

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up nicely

Post# 421485 , Reply# 42   3/8/2010 at 18:06 (5,155 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
inner and outer tub got a

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good scrubbing

Post# 421486 , Reply# 43   3/8/2010 at 18:08 (5,155 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
looks like new

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now!

Post# 421487 , Reply# 44   3/8/2010 at 18:11 (5,155 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
this is the inside of

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the back panel showing wiring schematic and water valves.

Post# 421488 , Reply# 45   3/8/2010 at 18:13 (5,155 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
found the missing knob

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for the control panel. it was in the back of my jeep.

Post# 421489 , Reply# 46   3/8/2010 at 18:16 (5,155 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
here it is on it's

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maidern wash! this is low water setting.

Post# 421490 , Reply# 47   3/8/2010 at 18:17 (5,155 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
medium

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water level

Post# 421491 , Reply# 48   3/8/2010 at 18:22 (5,155 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
high water level setting

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washes great, no leaks!

i guess this is what you guys call a "shredmore" cause i have never seen any washer agitate as fast as this one! it beats the clothes!

Post# 421493 , Reply# 49   3/8/2010 at 18:44 (5,154 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
tried to upload a video i took with

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my digital camera but it would not go here! anyone have any tips on how to do this?

but anyway, this is a great washer and i'm really lucky to have found it in the trash and only have to spend 20 bucks fixing it!

thanks for lookin and for your comments.

Post# 421509 , Reply# 50   3/8/2010 at 20:58 (5,154 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
nice save!

 always satisfying to get years and years of good use out of
a fixed-up discard,good job rollermatic!

Post# 424825 , Reply# 51   3/25/2010 at 15:26 (5,138 days old) by cornutt (Huntsville, AL USA)        

The '89 DD I had was a neutral drain. If you messed with it during the drain cycle (e.g., pull the knob out and push it back in), you could make it spin with the water, although it didn't like it at all. I had a power hit once when it had just started draining, and when the power came back on, it ran for a few seconds and then tripped the breaker.


Post# 425014 , Reply# 52   3/26/2010 at 16:32 (5,137 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Probably some dealer or repair man just told the people who had this washer "Oh, that problem is not fixable, you need a new washer". Or they quoted them a repair price of $400.00 or so forcing them into a new machine. I heard this speech when my agitator dogs gave out. I repaired it myself with a $25.00 agitator overhaul kit and about 20 minutes of my time.


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