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Thread Number: 27606
Updated photos on the 1963-64 Kenmore 600 |
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| Post# 423481 , Reply# 1 3/18/2010 at 22:45 (5,145 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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Kenmo 600...... Full control console with logo.... 
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| Post# 423482 , Reply# 2 3/18/2010 at 22:46 (5,145 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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Kenmo 600...... Wash action..... 
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| Post# 423484 , Reply# 3 3/18/2010 at 22:48 (5,145 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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Kenmo 600...... Waterfall filter - missing the latch.... it broke off back inside - one of the repairs to be made! 
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| Post# 423485 , Reply# 4 3/18/2010 at 22:49 (5,145 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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Kenmo 600...... Overhead shot of wash action..... 
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| Post# 423487 , Reply# 5 3/18/2010 at 22:51 (5,145 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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Kenmo 600...... The underside - Tranny...... Classic!! 
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| Post# 423488 , Reply# 6 3/18/2010 at 22:53 (5,145 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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Kenmo 600...... Motor and Tranny..... 
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| Post# 423489 , Reply# 7 3/18/2010 at 22:54 (5,145 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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Kenmo 600...... Wider shot - Motor and Tranny..... 
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| Post# 423491 , Reply# 8 3/18/2010 at 22:56 (5,145 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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Kenmo 600...... Spin action with the spray/shower rinse.... Camera did stop action but it was spinning away! 
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| Post# 423492 , Reply# 9 3/18/2010 at 22:58 (5,145 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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Kenmo 600...... One more spin action (stop action!)..... 
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| Post# 423493 , Reply# 10 3/18/2010 at 22:59 (5,145 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.) | ||
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Love those shots, thanks for posting them. The tranny looks pristine, and I can read the serial numbers on the belts. You've got a winner here for sure. I can't wait for the videos. Have a good one, James | ||
| Post# 423494 , Reply# 11 3/18/2010 at 23:00 (5,145 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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Kenmo 600...... Final photo for tonight! 
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| Post# 423496 , Reply# 12 3/18/2010 at 23:04 (5,145 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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When the videos are ready..... I'll post links on this thread for the videos when they are ready. The older post below from this past Sunday has the initial photos while it was in the truck bed and afterward. | ||
Post# 423500 , Reply# 13 3/18/2010 at 23:42 (5,145 days old) by appnut  (TX) |
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Post# 423503 , Reply# 14 3/19/2010 at 00:21 (5,145 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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Randy, that looks like a great machine. So glad you were able to get it. | ||
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Post# 423525 , Reply# 16 3/19/2010 at 05:59 (5,144 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Missed you appnut as well as many others. | ||
| Post# 423549 , Reply# 18 3/19/2010 at 08:14 (5,144 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA) | ||
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Beautiful! What a great machine Randy! Congratulations! Andrew S. | ||
| Post# 423550 , Reply# 19 3/19/2010 at 08:30 (5,144 days old) by rll70sman (Hastings, Minnesota) | ||
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What a superb machine! Congratulations and thanks for the pictures! I'm also looking for a vintage Kenmore or Whirlpool to fit the only space I have for another washer. Wow! Something like this would be great! | ||
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Post# 423562 , Reply# 20 3/19/2010 at 10:18 (5,144 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 423571 , Reply# 21 3/19/2010 at 10:55 (5,144 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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Post# 423573 , Reply# 22 3/19/2010 at 11:02 (5,144 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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| Post# 423578 , Reply# 23 3/19/2010 at 11:55 (5,144 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
Pic # 4 Waterfall filter - missing the latch--LOVE IT | ||
| Post# 423603 , Reply# 25 3/19/2010 at 15:38 (5,144 days old) by rll70sman (Hastings, Minnesota) | ||
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Gordon, I have the same question as Jim. I thought I read one time that the pitch of the "woo-woo" is largely dependent on the size of the belts and pulleys as well as the washer cabinet. Grandma's 24-inch Kenmore space saver machine was noticely higher pitched than the wider 29-inch models that other people we knew had. | ||
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Post# 423609 , Reply# 26 3/19/2010 at 16:05 (5,144 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 423625 , Reply# 27 3/19/2010 at 17:27 (5,144 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Jim and Rob -
It's hard to say that one item makes the woo-woo sounds exactly, it's probably a combination of things.
Motors have something to do with it. There have been GE, Delco, and Emerson motors in BD washers over the years. I always thought the later GE motors that were square (unserviceable) made a higher pitch just in operating than the Emersons. Most of the 24-inch and 29-inch standard cap machines had split-phase motors (which were often GE), whereas the large cap machines had capacitor start motors which were usually Emerson - at least speaking to later production. The split-phase motors start a little bit more slowly, and they give off some more pleasing sounds during start up than the capacitor start motors which spring to life instantly. The belt itself is the biggest contributor to the woo-ing, and the worn state of the belt can slow it down as it seats further into the pulleys with wear. I believe that with wear, the machine's pitch changes. However, I have four belt-drives here, some with original belts and some not, that emit four distinctly different woo-woos and they are essentially the same mechanically. Since we know that the 'quiet-pak' machines can be largely almost silent, things like pumps and transmissions don't contribute much to the sounds. The basket drive pulley can make a lot of unpleasant noise, and the pump does make some suctions sounds when operating, especially in drain. Mostly it's the belt itself and this can vary from one belt to the next. Belts were revised over the years. Randy's machine has a 95405 belt, which is the current number for the big non-quiet belt and was revised to be more flexible and less prone to breakage than the earlier belts. I am sure that a change in materials altered the belt sounds a little bit. The 95405 belt has been standard equipment since the mid 60s, though I don't know when exactly that it replaced the previous version. As to 24-inch machines, I have always figured that cabinet geometry contributed to the higher pitch on them, and I have noticed this myself. Sorry for a non-definitive answer! Gordon | ||
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Post# 423671 , Reply# 30 3/19/2010 at 21:19 (5,144 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Randy -
First, does the machine need a new belt? If the cogs are cracking on the inside of the belt, then yeah, you may want to get rid of it. If there is surface rust on the pulleys (looks like there is on the motor pulley and the basket drive) then let the old belt wear that off before you install a new one. If you buy an FSP belt, the package has instructions on how to change the belt. I can describe how to do it at any time as well. I have helped a couple people on here over the phone and would be glad to do that for you as well. To me it's not a PIA, but for a first-timer, it can be. Gordon | ||
| Post# 423684 , Reply# 31 3/19/2010 at 22:34 (5,144 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
To me it's not a PIA | ||
| Post# 423699 , Reply# 32 3/19/2010 at 23:12 (5,144 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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Guys - your wish is my command...... Here are some short clips to whet your appetite - I'll be putting together a better lighted and full cycle vid during the next week. CLICK HERE TO GO TO randycmaynard's LINK | ||
| Post# 423701 , Reply# 33 3/19/2010 at 23:16 (5,144 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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There are several short clips.... Click the drop down on the right - "More from randycm1" - well, you all know how it works! This is the first time I've ever used YouTube so still learning the ropes. The longer full length vid is coming! | ||
| Post# 423703 , Reply# 34 3/19/2010 at 23:21 (5,144 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Your machine looks new! Beautiful! Brent | ||
| Post# 423706 , Reply# 35 3/19/2010 at 23:23 (5,144 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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Thanks for the great comments guys! It's already been a fun machine to use and looking forward to more!! | ||
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Post# 423711 , Reply# 36 3/19/2010 at 23:31 (5,144 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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| Post# 423715 , Reply# 37 3/19/2010 at 23:36 (5,144 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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| Post# 423716 , Reply# 38 3/19/2010 at 23:40 (5,144 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Nice ma-chine! The spin bearings sound wonderful but that noisy wig wag solenoid is something. Easy to fix, tho...
You'll have fun with YouTube! Just remember that when you put that video together, Y/T allows you to upload vids NO LONGER than 10 mins... I've hit THAT wall a few times... I'm looking forward to the full length video when it comes out! RCD | ||
| Post# 423717 , Reply# 39 3/19/2010 at 23:42 (5,144 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.) | ||
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AWESOME! So far, so GREAT! I'm glad I took another chance spin through this thread. The sights and sounds are something to behold for sure. I've looked through all the short clips, (and will continue to do so) and am looking forward to the full length one you post. Thanks so much for sharing. Have a good one James | ||
| Post# 423756 , Reply# 40 3/20/2010 at 10:14 (5,143 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN) | ||
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Woo-woo-woo-woo-woo I've always attributed the woowoo noises to a resonant sound made by the belt and amplified by the cabinet. The older Maytags make the same sounds only lower in pitch and even from what I've heard the new Speed Queens make such noises. But yet, it's the Kenmore whine that is the sound of my childhood. | ||
| Post# 423766 , Reply# 41 3/20/2010 at 10:41 (5,143 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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I agree Jason.... This is the sound from my childhood too! Machine runs good excepting the noisy solinoid on the Wig-Wag during the spin cycles. Overall I'm very, very pleased with the machine and glad to have found this one. | ||
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Post# 423791 , Reply# 42 3/20/2010 at 14:53 (5,143 days old) by appliguy (Oakton Va.) |
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Randy, | ||
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