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Thread Number: 27643
Phillips Electra "Spin Drain" 1980`s Washing Machine |
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Post# 423917 3/21/2010 at 08:53 (5,143 days old) by chestermikeuk  (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Finally gotten around to filming the Phillips "Electra" washing machine in "Spin Drain" action, this machine was made by Phillips UK, in their factory in Hipperholme, near Halifax in UK. The "Electra" model was made exclusively for the local Electricity Boards, sold here in late 70`s early 80`s, these machines had unique features, one being the first to have a polypropylene outer tub and the other having a permanant magnet motor or Permag Motor as it was known, this was about half the size of a conventional motor of the time and relied on magnets, so good where these new features that Phillips gave them a 10yr parts guarantee, which was a first at that time.
This machine starts to spin with the tub full of water, it was marketed as enabling the clothes to be spread evenly around the drum and also the water cushioned the clothes as well, produces quite a lot of water drama when it starts to spin!!! CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK | ||
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| Post# 423921 , Reply# 1 3/21/2010 at 09:13 (5,143 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys) | ||
hotpoint 95622 | ||
| Post# 423927 , Reply# 2 3/21/2010 at 10:44 (5,143 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
WOW
Loved how when you shifted from Warp 5 MAX to Warp 2, she became a Kenmore. Smiling. At 5, she's a Hoover. That variable spin speed is awesome, a jet turbine! Haven't seen that one before! And the page turning, then shattering, in the graphics, is fabulous. Then the last shot of the blue/silver tub full of water is the quintessential front-loader's dream--a machine with WATER, lots and lots of water. Wonderful! Can I buy stock in your company?
Thank you, Mikey, for a magnificent transatlantic Concord Sunday Morn. | ||
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Post# 423963 , Reply# 3 3/21/2010 at 14:09 (5,143 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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wow Mike | ||
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Post# 423965 , Reply# 4 3/21/2010 at 14:11 (5,143 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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isnt that a noisey little motor | ||
| Post# 423972 , Reply# 5 3/21/2010 at 14:40 (5,143 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
Philips simply years ahead :-) | ||
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Post# 423977 , Reply# 6 3/21/2010 at 15:17 (5,143 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Philllips.....Form & Function
Lee, yes the styling really was ahead of its time, when you see all the Phillips appliances at the time they really where streets ahead in styling and functionality.....thanks for the vid comments, its deffo more luck than design..I use windows Movie Maker, its basic but easy to use and does the job!!! no fancy camera just my sony compact that takes short movie clips as well.
Mikey, just knew you`d love the Splashdrama, and theres plenty of it, there was always plenty of water in the older machines, this is the rinse level, on wash its about up to the boot, it actually films better without clothes as there is more water in the tub!!! Heres you water drama pic!!! 
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Post# 423978 , Reply# 7 3/21/2010 at 15:29 (5,143 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Phillips Spin Slosher...LOl
Hi Jon, the spin drain was unique to Phillips at the time for Domestic machines, if you watch Jeffs Dexter spin drain that has a larger induction type motor...I`ll get a pic of the motor this week its a dinky little thing, but powerful to keep spin draining, it does work, have never seen one go OOB (well unless you bring home a 30yr old machine and forget to take out the transit bracket, which was fixed under the lid..Lol that had 5 of us perplexed until we figured it out, the previous owner really did look after this machine)
It does have a Jet screamer sound to it, slighly higher pitched than say a hoover/hotpoint/servis..BUT look how controlled it is and sounds when I turn down the power!!! 
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Post# 423984 , Reply# 9 3/21/2010 at 15:46 (5,143 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Real Machines
Evening Gary, yeh this is a real machine at its best, very sturdy as well, but has the look, wait till Al posts his kitchen pics with the dryer & dishwasher...looks and rugged power!!!
One thing I always thought was a weak link was the door boot, its made of very thin butyl rubber but this one is still the original one and no problems, and I dont remember them wearing out any quicker than other models...here she is in situ with matching Electra dryer!!! 
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| Post# 423988 , Reply# 10 3/21/2010 at 15:47 (5,143 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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Lesson 1 Always obey instructions. Could have invalidated 'your right to free service during the guarantee period'. paul 
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| Post# 423989 , Reply# 11 3/21/2010 at 15:49 (5,143 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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We wont tell Philips or Manweb what happened. What they dont know wont hurt them! 
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| Post# 423990 , Reply# 12 3/21/2010 at 15:51 (5,143 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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NO one would know to look at it... 
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| Post# 423991 , Reply# 13 3/21/2010 at 15:52 (5,143 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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'Down at your local Electricity Board Shop' circa 1983. Great machines Mike! Those bearings for the 11500 been ordered yet? Paul 
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Post# 423992 , Reply# 14 3/21/2010 at 16:00 (5,143 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Oh Paul
I forgot you had that pic...Lol ...it looks silly to have it under the hood but when new there was always a piece of paper attached to the bracket that came out of the back of the machine telling you to remove it...LOl , it does look very neat even inside as well...even the dispenser was ahead of its time, it had a smooth box inside and out and even had "Flushing Slots" at the front of the drawer which flushed water under the dispenser drawer with every fill... left to right....Capped is bleach/additives - not used in UK, then main wash, fabric conditioner, pre-wash
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Post# 423994 , Reply# 15 3/21/2010 at 16:36 (5,143 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Mike
Fabulous video!! The sounds are so familiar but I had never seen a frontloader doing this, only am familiar with my toploader. I can't get enough of this.
BTW mr Jetcone. The motor might be noisy, but it certainly isn't small. It's a Permanent Magnet motor that IIRC is 950 Watts (at least my toploader's motor is). | ||
| Post# 423996 , Reply# 16 3/21/2010 at 17:02 (5,143 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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"Mikey, Heres you water drama pic!!!" | ||
| Post# 423998 , Reply# 17 3/21/2010 at 17:06 (5,143 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK) | ||
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| Post# 424000 , Reply# 18 3/21/2010 at 17:11 (5,143 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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PS: If ever there was an Oscar pic | ||
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Post# 424005 , Reply# 19 3/21/2010 at 17:31 (5,143 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Thanks Mr. Mike! Did this machine spin after every drain or only at the end? That revving sound reminded me of a song from the Sgt. Pepper Album, "A Day in the Life," I believe. I did not see a max spin speed on the front of the machine. Would you please tell us? Thanks again, Tom | ||
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Post# 424009 , Reply# 20 3/21/2010 at 17:51 (5,143 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Spin Rinsing
Hi Adam, glad you enjoyed it, I`ll film a wash in it this week, which model was your family machine?? did it have the 1000 or 12000rpm spin??
Mickey, "it looks like a view from an escaped diving bell hurling down into the abyss". yes on steroids...Lol it even beats the Hoovermatic I think... Hello Tom, this model is only 800rpm which was the norm for the time, although there where 1000rpm /1100rpm & 1200rpm spin machines around as well!!! This model doesnt spin after the wash & every rinse, it washes, does 2 rinses then spin drains before the last rinse, then fabric conditioner rinse & final spin drain...could you imagine the new duets trying this...!!! This was the golden era of Phillips Washing Machines before being swallowed up by Whirlpool...the rest is history...the subsequent machines where to us, like what you guys felt when WCI changed the Frigidaire`s!!! | ||
| Post# 424018 , Reply# 21 3/21/2010 at 19:11 (5,143 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK) | ||
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Great video Mike, one of my mums friends had this machine but I never saw it on, great to see one working after all these years of wondering :) Aren't these the ones that were made in the present White Knight factory? Jon | ||
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Post# 424090 , Reply# 23 3/22/2010 at 03:01 (5,142 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Phillips Vario
Morning Louis, glad you can see the spin drain rather than hearing it, although with the top loaders you still get the sounds, In 1993 I had the 1100 Phillips Whirlpool toploader, (one with the lift up panel and time/temp/spin vario..and that was fun listening to it!!! Yes, you tell Jetcone nothing wimpy about those motors...LOL
Hi Jon, yes the very factory that White Knight dryers are still made in, the early spin drain machines & Top Loaders where made in the France factories, then Hipperholme was built around the time of the AWB082 / 098 models... Carlo, yes there is a vid but that wont be shown..it was like the cameraman filming an avalanche, so engrossed in watching the action that you didnt realise you where in it..it worked fine a few times without clothes then on the first wash we couldnt understand why it was so OOB, all you see is 4 hands lurching in camera shot to switch it off!!! The hidden machine is the ACME Sun Breeze Tumble Dryer, it weighs a ton, all enamel inside & out so doesnt get stacked..LOL | ||
| Post# 424091 , Reply# 24 3/22/2010 at 03:35 (5,142 days old) by paulinroyton (B) | ||
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Servis MK72 Hi Mike What a fantastic video and machine. My Mums friend had the Philips version. I noticed in background the Servis MK72. My Mum had this machine and loved the deed rinses. Any chance on posting a video of the Servis MK72. Regards Paul | ||
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Post# 424160 , Reply# 25 3/22/2010 at 14:49 (5,142 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Mike | ||
| Post# 424166 , Reply# 26 3/22/2010 at 15:23 (5,142 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK) | ||
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Hi Mike,
Mine was the Auto Elite Series 90 with vari Temp and Spin, It distributed about 200rpm, the rev'd up after about a minute or so. A minute wasn't usually enough to drain out, for a full load, so it used to almost always shoot up to 800rpm full of water. Mine used to continuously tumble clockwise (for about 2 mins) for the drain after the wash and rinses. It would complete 2 "long" rinses (only about 5mins) then the 3rd rinse would literally fill and then begin spin-draining. A long spin at 800rpm then fill for the final rinse. It was the 1000rpm model. Such amazing machines! | ||
| Post# 424280 , Reply# 27 3/23/2010 at 03:21 (5,141 days old) by paulinroyton (B) | ||
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Unbalanced Load Hi Mike. How does the machine cope with an unbalanced load. By looking at the video, it seems to cope very well, and I don,t think machines from the period had out of balance sensors. Once again, fantastic video. Paul | ||
| Post# 424297 , Reply# 28 3/23/2010 at 06:27 (5,141 days old) by RobM (Buxted) | ||
Hi Mike
Many thanks for posting. That is a fantastic machine. It takes me back to my childhood as my mum had the toploader version (just like Louis's video). It's great to finally see what happened in the drum. As per my youtube comment I wondered how it copes with suds? I noticed the old Indesits used to get quite sudsy when they spin drained. Do you think the spin drain enhanced or hindered the rinsing process? Rob | ||
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Post# 424308 , Reply# 29 3/23/2010 at 07:39 (5,141 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Unbalanced
Hi Paul, it seems fine with most loads I`ve done in it, the older heavier machines seem to cope better with OOB situations as you say, The Servis MK72 is awaiting a cold water valve change then I`ll do a vid, now thats another strong sturdy machines with all that vitreous enamel inn & outer tub as well as the cast iron counterweights,
Louis, you had me thinking about the toploader, will have to find one now to check, from what I remember I`m sure it did the spin drain up to 800, then it went to 1100 for the last two mins of spin etc...was a great machine, I had it installed in a broom cupboard in the hall and above was a shelf with the small Phillips D153 dryer...the bathroom was next door so I used to pull the vent pipe over the doors and hook it to the ventaxia ceiling bathroom extractor..worked a treat!!! Hi Rob, apologies if I didnt recognise your utube addy,I`ve had no probs with sudz lock in the Phillips, , but I do watch the amount I use, that might be the next test, an OD of powder to make it OOB, I still advocate no spin after the wash drain, the depth between newer machine drums just makes it act like a Mr whippy machine!!! Hi Adam, interesting programmes, I think the Phillips where well ahead of their time for interesting features & programmes, and I seen so many machines of the same model with very different programmes, I like that they where constantly upgrading as they produced them!! 
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Post# 424355 , Reply# 30 3/23/2010 at 12:07 (5,141 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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That's a clean outer drum! | ||
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Post# 424373 , Reply# 31 3/23/2010 at 14:16 (5,141 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Mike
The later models had a different start of the spin cycle. Here's a video of a later model. It starts spinning with a full drum but keeps spinning at that lower speed for a while. Only later, when the drum is empty, it speeds up. There is definitely a difference. The newer ones arer easily recognised, they have the possibility to do a spin only. The older models always have to do a rinse before they can spin.
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Post# 424377 , Reply# 32 3/23/2010 at 14:22 (5,141 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Paul
I actually don't know about the frontloaders, but my toploader is ver good at balancing. The weight of the toploader is only 59 kgs but I guess the water helps to distribute the laundry evenly. The toploader also has three feet, one at the front and two at the back. Never a problem with getting all feet evenly on the floor. I don't know how many feet the frontloaders have, but I assume they have four.
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Post# 424378 , Reply# 33 3/23/2010 at 14:22 (5,141 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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SQ Front Loaders 
At local laundromat do a similar thing, but then again they can because there isn't a pump to worry about clogging with too much water too fast.
Not sure if this falls under owner control programming, but the washer will do one or more "tumble one way" rinses, though this happens after a spin while the machine is filling for a rinse. After a period of time the drain valve simply closes and the machine will start filling for the rinse. | ||
| Post# 424430 , Reply# 34 3/23/2010 at 17:23 (5,141 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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Post# 424982 , Reply# 37 3/26/2010 at 12:43 (5,138 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Phillips
Hi Greg, yes you do need to view it to understand what drama it gets up to!!! what was the brand of combo??
Thanks Louis for the vids, I think they did a number of spinning & draining options, hyaving watched the above vid, I remember my toploader did the drain like the electra but held at 800 then went to 1100rpm, Hi Laundress, some of those dump valve commercials really empty like a wave, those Dexters look fun Darren, yes moisture level content - well not quite zero yet..LOl Gorenje, MaytagAsko 2,000rpm Miele & AEG 1800rpm Zug 1600rpm - Our best sellers tend to be 1400rpm machines Paul, yes the older with metal tubs did appear last longer, but the newer machines have the bearings either fused or precision fitted so less wear & tear...but they just need to be substantial bearings to last.. Oh AntonRob..dont tease us!!!! get the pics up, those AWB098 series where a very good seller for the independant retailers and the Co-op as well, I sold many at Agri-Electics, and earned myself lots of "Points make Prizes" from the Phillips promotions catalogues. 
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| Post# 425222 , Reply# 38 3/27/2010 at 17:03 (5,137 days old) by DysonAnimal () | ||
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I remember that one, Mike! I took a couple of pics of this machine doing it's magic at our last gathering...I thought I had video of it as well, but I can't find the files anywhere. Perhaps I was just transfixed by the V-Zug!! 
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| Post# 425223 , Reply# 39 3/27/2010 at 17:05 (5,137 days old) by DysonAnimal () | ||
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And another... 
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| Post# 425224 , Reply# 40 3/27/2010 at 17:07 (5,137 days old) by DysonAnimal () | ||
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And one more! 
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| Post# 425233 , Reply# 41 3/27/2010 at 18:19 (5,137 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Chrome & Glass & Liquid water demons | ||
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Post# 426156 , Reply# 44 4/1/2010 at 16:38 (5,132 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Wow | ||
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Post# 426209 , Reply# 46 4/1/2010 at 21:57 (5,131 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Yes Mike | ||
| Post# 426263 , Reply# 47 4/2/2010 at 06:53 (5,131 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 426265 , Reply# 48 4/2/2010 at 06:59 (5,131 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 428003 , Reply# 50 4/10/2010 at 23:44 (5,122 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK) | ||
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| Post# 428235 , Reply# 51 4/12/2010 at 10:11 (5,121 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 428243 , Reply# 52 4/12/2010 at 11:37 (5,121 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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eek eek eek oo oo oo ah ah ah--EGADS, an alien
Mikey, I did not want to laugh that hard this morning.
At Minute 2:20, there is a wire-headed, bug-eyed alien, looking very like the ones in the hilraious comedy, "Mars Attacks" where the ugly, ultra-authoritarian creatures go about ranting in priceless caricature. Great flick as usual. Loved the dilution cooldown--enough water at last. Enlightening to see all the mechanicals and electrics displayed during operation. Those Hoover "engines" at full throttle--WOW. Nominated for Washer Oscars 2010. Thanks for enviable state-of-the-art graphics. Shut down that wash shop and move to Hollywood. ;'D | ||
| Post# 428409 , Reply# 53 4/13/2010 at 11:06 (5,120 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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I apologize to anyone who wasted time looking for the alien | ||
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