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Operation Matchbox Rescue! - Hoover 3236H - continued.....
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Post# 430947   4/25/2010 at 04:11 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi guys here is some more bumpff on the 3236H

PLUS

the tidy up story of Mathews 3022 dryer de luxe

PLUS (here you go David!)

the painful pictures of the other Stoke Damerel resident, in the form of the Hotpoint 1509/05 Automatic de luxe.

Enjoy!





Post# 430948 , Reply# 1   4/25/2010 at 04:14 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Just reposting the vid links....

to keep the already posted ones, together with the newer ones later.

Here is the start of cycle vid, with programme 5...


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Post# 430949 , Reply# 2   4/25/2010 at 04:15 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

and the 'into distribution' vid...

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Post# 430950 , Reply# 3   4/25/2010 at 04:19 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
To the newly preserved 3022 dryer...

all looked fine to me, but Mathew quickly had it outside and diassembling began....

Post# 430951 , Reply# 4   4/25/2010 at 04:20 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Whilst I was making vids of the 3236H, Mathew continued removing screws and panels and before I knew it, the dryer was drumless...

Post# 430952 , Reply# 5   4/25/2010 at 04:26 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
erm.......DANGER, DANGER!

happen a good job Mathew did take the dryer apart, as it provided a fine example of why you should always clean the lint filter out and let your dryer breathe!

The heating element ring and bearing area were coated in fluff and the browned look of the element holders show that it was in a rather dangerous condition...


Post# 430953 , Reply# 6   4/25/2010 at 04:32 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

closer.

when i was a kid, the then neighbour of my grandma had a matched set of hoover machines in the form of a A3006 washer and a D6008 dryer.

One day my grandma was working in the garden, when she noticed smoke billowing from his coal place, where the dryer was kept.

His D6008 was on fire, but thankfully did little damage as the fire was caught early.
The dryer was a write-off and lived outside, facing my grandmas garden, for about five years after the fire.

His dryer probably had internal fluff conditions similar to this 3022, so good call on taking your new acquisition to pieces Mathew....


Post# 430955 , Reply# 7   4/25/2010 at 04:33 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

The motor, also caked in fluff....

Post# 430957 , Reply# 8   4/25/2010 at 04:41 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
3022 history now

Introduced in 1970, the first machines were of a half panel design (like the 3235 washing machine) which meant that Hoover had to produce two styles of basic bodyshell:

half panel bodyshell (without cut outs for powder drawer) - 3235 washer and 3022 dryer.

full panel bodyshell (with powder drawer cut outs) - 3236H and 3243H washers.




Post# 430958 , Reply# 9   4/25/2010 at 04:45 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
There is a preserved half panel dryer!

This 3022 is awaiting restoration, having spent many years outside under a tarpaulin.

Given time it will sit alongside its matching 3236H one day...


Post# 430959 , Reply# 10   4/25/2010 at 04:46 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Details of the half panel.

Question!
can anyone fathom out what goes on between the off position and the 0mins position?


Post# 430960 , Reply# 11   4/25/2010 at 04:47 (5,086 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Hmmmm niiiice.

Is your phone battery dead?


Post# 430961 , Reply# 12   4/25/2010 at 04:49 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

The pointlessness of producing two different bodyshells was lost on Hoover for a good two years of production.

Eventually they saw sense in 1972 and started producing standard bodyshells for all their laundry appliances, with each bodyshell having all cut-outs, including those for a powder drawer.

Half panel models 3235washer and 3022 dryer employed these bodyshells, but had their facia panels extended to cover the holes.

Thus came the Hoover 3022 dryer de luxe - version 2...


Post# 430962 , Reply# 13   4/25/2010 at 04:51 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Ooopps!

Phone was off - now on.

x-p


Post# 430964 , Reply# 14   4/25/2010 at 05:02 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

then came the change of facia and accent colour to produce model 3022 - version 3, of which Mathews is one...

Post# 430965 , Reply# 15   4/25/2010 at 05:04 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

the final version was model 3022A, which was essentially the prototype for the series of machines that replaced the matchboxes.

As far as i know it was visually identical, but mechanically was as per the D6008.


Post# 430966 , Reply# 16   4/25/2010 at 05:06 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Back to Mathew's machine...

TA DA!

post clean and the change is radically different - no fluff!

Note the cut out for the powder drawer, covered over by the extended facia panel.
So, should be able to insert a washing machines internals into this bodyshell...


Post# 430967 , Reply# 17   4/25/2010 at 05:07 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Note the scorch marks caused by overheating around the areas where it was caked in fluff...

Post# 430968 , Reply# 18   4/25/2010 at 05:08 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

cleaned motor...

Post# 430969 , Reply# 19   4/25/2010 at 05:10 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

a feature of the early 3022's was their plastic base panels.

Mine and Robs machine is a later version 3022 from 1974 and has a metal baseplate...


Post# 430970 , Reply# 20   4/25/2010 at 05:12 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

the dryer drum - shows just how big they really were...

Post# 430971 , Reply# 21   4/25/2010 at 05:13 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

you have to widen the bodyside to get the drum back inside...

Post# 430972 , Reply# 22   4/25/2010 at 05:15 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

and the inner back panel is prepared for reattachment...

Post# 430973 , Reply# 23   4/25/2010 at 05:18 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

reattaching this panel gives the machine its rigidity back...

Post# 430974 , Reply# 24   4/25/2010 at 05:19 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

with its new fan belt attached....

Post# 430975 , Reply# 25   4/25/2010 at 05:21 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
LINK BACK TO ORIGINAL THREAD....

.

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Post# 430979 , Reply# 26   4/25/2010 at 06:50 (5,086 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Back to the 3236H - another VIDEO!

When we left it last, the 3236H was working its way through a load of towels.

Here the machine has worked its way past programme 10 stage, clickety click click, and enters 'SPIN'.....


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Post# 430982 , Reply# 27   4/25/2010 at 07:38 (5,085 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)        
well done Paul

you've kept us anticipating throughout this thread, and have not disapointed. Great photos and videos of a great machine, as you've said before this machine and its successer must have been Hoovers biggest selling automatic , yet these days the rarest, so well done in all your efforts to rescue both machines, as you've shown it was definatly worth it.

We look forward to seeing the results of your further work on the cabinet soon.

One question, has anyone ever tried or found a way of turning a grey door boot black, and obviously in a way that won't turn the successive white loads grey lol. Just a thought, I've never tried, but I think untill the early 1980s all hotpoints and hoovers had black door boots, it would just be a nice finishing touch, to this and many other restorations to fit a black door boot.

Good to see the photos of the dryer too, a very popular Dryer to, I just wish it had been designed with a porthole door. One other famous detail about these dryers is the ability for the clockwork timer to start ticking at the merest glance, if one was found unused for twenty years as soon as it was touched the timer would do a few ticks lol


So thanks and well done Paul, now can you let David out of his waiting, he's itching to hear and see details of the 1509

Mathew



Post# 430983 , Reply# 28   4/25/2010 at 07:48 (5,085 days old) by liberator1509 (Ireland)        
Can't wait....

Hi Paul

Loving the memory-lane trip of the Oovaahs - now did you also mention something about a 1509/05?

:-) :-)


Post# 430986 , Reply# 29   4/25/2010 at 08:04 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hiya Mathew.

I am going to hold off posting current pictures of the machine just for the mo - thats for another days photo shoot and hopefully soon!
Plus I need you to help me tinker with it a bit, just to make sure things that I have done are ok.

Just me wanting second opinions.


dryers and their tickers. LOL. too true!

Paul


Post# 430988 , Reply# 30   4/25/2010 at 08:07 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
To the other Stoke Damerel resident.

Here you go David.

Now, before you gander at the pictures a warning that its isnt in great external condition!

Also no mechaniocal work or checks were done on it - it has just been picked up and put into store, as a project for the near future.

Here goes, starting with a brief recap...


Post# 430989 , Reply# 31   4/25/2010 at 08:08 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Top floor of the school - with them weighing so much, I can understand them being left behind, when the place closed...

Post# 430990 , Reply# 32   4/25/2010 at 08:11 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Here with Beverley and Gary outside the school entrance...

Post# 430991 , Reply# 33   4/25/2010 at 08:14 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Here the machine is in Cardiff, where it will live until removed north to Chester and then, in consignment, across to East Anglia for repair.

I think the washdeck and facia will clean up really well...



Post# 430992 , Reply# 34   4/25/2010 at 08:16 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

But it will need a new set of buttons, as the current ones have suffered from 'Liberatorbuttondisintegratitis'....

Post# 430993 , Reply# 35   4/25/2010 at 08:18 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

luckily though, one of the first parts me and rob bought when we started collecting is shown below.

Should offer up some useful bits and bobs...


Post# 430994 , Reply# 36   4/25/2010 at 08:21 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

the existing timeline and dials.

the top of the facia backpanel will need repainting, as will the end panels...


Post# 430995 , Reply# 37   4/25/2010 at 08:22 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Lift the lid and what greets the eyesis a very tidy (barring the centre part) programme guide...

Post# 430996 , Reply# 38   4/25/2010 at 08:23 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

...

Post# 430998 , Reply# 39   4/25/2010 at 08:25 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Model 1509/05 dating from November 1977 (date code 95)...

Post# 431002 , Reply# 40   4/25/2010 at 08:28 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Back of the machine, minus its waste pipe (thankfully have some of those somewhere).

Again though will need the back part, where the solonoids are, either respraying or replacing...



Post# 431003 , Reply# 41   4/25/2010 at 08:30 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Heres where the major problem starts!

Post# 431004 , Reply# 42   4/25/2010 at 08:32 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Her dress is ruined...

the years of varying weather conditions have really taken their toll on the 1509/05's outer cabinet...

Post# 431005 , Reply# 43   4/25/2010 at 08:33 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

From the other angle...

Post# 431007 , Reply# 44   4/25/2010 at 08:34 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

The sides are even worse...

Post# 431008 , Reply# 45   4/25/2010 at 08:36 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

with this side so badly corroded that the bodyshell is actually detached from the chassis, with no solid metal to tie it down....

Post# 431009 , Reply# 46   4/25/2010 at 08:38 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

The other side...

Post# 431010 , Reply# 47   4/25/2010 at 08:42 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

I think everyone will agree that the external cabinet of the machine is a write-off and is unrestorable.

So, when the machine is sent for repair, it will also be receiving a replacement cabinet. An attempt will be made to try and remove the traingle badge from the old and graft it onto the new, though I dont want the badge damaging.

If the badge looks like tearing, then it will be cut off the old cabinet, before the old cabinet is thrown away....


Post# 431012 , Reply# 48   4/25/2010 at 08:48 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Now of course there is no knowing whether the machine actually works or not, although judging by the 3236H, it should be a case of plug and play (small tinkering and rubber checks and replacements permitting).

Mathew had a gander underneath and the clutch shoes will need to be freed but, barring that, the underneath of the machine looks......well......pristine!
All gloss black and silvers, though covered in cobwebs.

Its time will come and it will, as far as I am concerned, live again...


Post# 431013 , Reply# 49   4/25/2010 at 08:51 (5,085 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Will try and get it as close to this as possible - cant provide the bike though and the worktops are like gold dust...

Post# 431036 , Reply# 50   4/25/2010 at 11:19 (5,085 days old) by liberator1509 (Ireland)        
Yay! Another Liberator liberated!

Paul (and Rob) - thank you SOO much for putting up those pics!

Its fantastic that you guys have rescued that machine - and I have no doubt that it will be a (realtively) straight-forward job to bring it back to life, specially if you have a spare console. Plenty of parts around, including cabinets, so it should come up a treat!

I wonder if there is some way of saving the cabinet sticker? Could it be 'heated' (from the reverse side) off I wonder? It would be good to save that moment of history, when Hotpoint were sub-branding their machines as "Liberator' to bring former English Electric customers along, having acquired and stopped that marque.

Geek-moment, is it a four-pole, or two-pole motor? Does it have the lint-tray cover too? From Mathew's description, it does have the early-style wash basket.

Thank you once again for saving it - I look forward seeing it restored.

David :-)


PS - Hi Mathew - the spinarinse has been going all afternoon - great!!


Post# 431840 , Reply# 51   4/29/2010 at 07:17 (5,082 days old) by 74simon ()        
Great reading!

It's amazing that the ADL needed so little doing to it, it was great watching the videos! Seems like it's led a charmed existence though, comparing its corrosion levels to the Hotpoint is pretty gobsmacking, especially given the latter's youth! A shame that one has suffered so badly, but at least you got what you really wanted!

Re the dryers; isn't the gap between 0 and off where the cool down cycle is? the similar looking timer on my D6040 goes up to 120 mins rather than the 100 on the 3022, but that includes the cool down at the end. The lint situation is scary - if these machines are used without a vent hose, fine lint that gets blown out tends to fall and get sucked into the inlet, building up on the inner cabinet and elements.

Good to see a surviving half panel dryer in the mix also - is that a recent find, Matt? Hows the timer? WD40 does a great job at freeing stuck ones!


Post# 431912 , Reply# 52   4/29/2010 at 13:45 (5,081 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Simon.

It is a tad strange how the Hotpoint was hit hard and the Hoover less so, bearing in mind they have lived together for god knows how many years in the same environment.

Ah well - not complaining about the Hoover and the Hotpoint will live again - hard work permitting.

Re the 3022....it probably is cool down period, but I have always associated the dots with cool down.
You are more than likely right though.

The half panel 3022's timer appears nadged and must be the only vintage Hoover dryer timer that does not tick at all. It makes no attempt at all to return to 'off'.

Answering for Mathew, the half panel was bought about a year ago from East Anglia, as an emergency save purely based on it being so rare and early (December 1970!).
It is a long term restoration, which would have started alongside the 3236H.
Originally, before its condition was discovered, the intention was to immediately strip out both the 3236H and this 3022 to empty shells and get them both resprayed.

Because the 3236H has turned out so well, the 3022 restoration is kind of back on the burner again. Will be done sometime though.

I am intrigued to see whether some hard scrubbing does anything to its appearance. I doubt it would though as, whereas the 3236H was in damp conditions indoors, the 3022 was under a tarpaulin outside.

Its definitely one for keeps.

Paul


Post# 431913 , Reply# 53   4/29/2010 at 13:48 (5,081 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Tail end of the initial restoration report now and the 3236H's final challenge (4th load, one after the other), down in Cardiff, was jumpers.



Post# 431926 , Reply# 54   4/29/2010 at 14:29 (5,081 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

washing away...

Post# 431928 , Reply# 55   4/29/2010 at 14:33 (5,081 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
A VIDEO!

followed by a vid of how the machine coped with spinning a heavy load....

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Post# 431929 , Reply# 56   4/29/2010 at 14:34 (5,081 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

wash basket at the ready...

Post# 431930 , Reply# 57   4/29/2010 at 14:36 (5,081 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

After the wool load, the machine was given a rest and unplumbed in readiness for moving upto Derby the following day....

Post# 431931 , Reply# 58   4/29/2010 at 14:37 (5,081 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

and the opportunity was taken to do some stacking...

Post# 431932 , Reply# 59   4/29/2010 at 14:38 (5,081 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

...

Post# 431933 , Reply# 60   4/29/2010 at 14:39 (5,081 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

the obligatory childs view of the duo...

Post# 431934 , Reply# 61   4/29/2010 at 14:40 (5,081 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

the 3022 version 3 dryer de luxe...

Post# 431936 , Reply# 62   4/29/2010 at 14:40 (5,081 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

the 3236H version 1 automatic de luxe...

Post# 431937 , Reply# 63   4/29/2010 at 14:42 (5,081 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

the following day, the machine was removed to Derby for a bit more tinkering!

all will be reveraled after the weekend.

Cheers
paul



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