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| Post# 433999 5/8/2010 at 21:21 (5,100 days old) by harold (Madison, WI) | ||
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On Saturday afternoon, I bought a Kenmore Washer from craigslist. Here are some pics of the machine. 
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| Post# 434000 , Reply# 1 5/8/2010 at 21:23 (5,100 days old) by harold (Madison, WI) | ||
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Pic 2 inside of wash tub. Inside looks very clean. I test drive the washer before I buy it. Sounds great! I would like to know what is the model # is? 
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| Post# 434001 , Reply# 2 5/8/2010 at 21:26 (5,100 days old) by harold (Madison, WI) | ||
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information on craigslist The guy say It is a Almond color, No It looks more like a harvest Gold color. CLICK HERE TO GO TO harold's LINK on Wilmington Craigslist 
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Post# 434002 , Reply# 3 5/8/2010 at 21:27 (5,100 days old) by KenmoreGuy64  (Charlotte, NC) |
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Looks GREAT!!
I don't want to interrupt your post if you're listing a string of photos, however I just happened to be peeking in here just as this post came up.
Congratulations! That looks to be a 1978 model, based on the fact that the Delicate cycle (lower right quadrant) says "Knit" and not "Knit-Delicate" or "Knit" and "Delicate" separated. They did that only around 1978 on a couple models. Neat machine - Four water levels, three temps, and I am guessing a Penta-Swirl? I just used my 1977 Penta-Swirl equipped machine - I really like that agitator as it is effective yet still quite gentle. Enjoy the washer and let us know how it goes! Gordon | ||
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Post# 434003 , Reply# 4 5/8/2010 at 21:29 (5,100 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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OOPS - sorry about that! I asked about the agitator while you were posting other pics.
To get the model number, look at the front, lower left corner of the cabinet, down by the left front foot. There should be a model plate riveted to the cabinet there. 110.728706x0 probably. x could be a 0, 1 or 2. Give me the serial number which is on the same plate and I can tell you when and where the washer was built. | ||
| Post# 434005 , Reply# 5 5/8/2010 at 21:33 (5,100 days old) by harold (Madison, WI) | ||
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Hi Gordon No you did not brother me one bit. I forgot to add something to the last post, so I edit it! My Aunt use to have a machine like this one before. I did fall in love with it. I have one of the newest Maytag washers, but I still like the old Kenmore/Whirlpool belt driven machines better! | ||
| Post# 434006 , Reply# 6 5/8/2010 at 21:36 (5,100 days old) by harold (Madison, WI) | ||
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I get the machine on Sunday Gordon, I get the washer on Sunday afternoon, and I will post the model # later on Sunday late afternoon. The guy is bring the washer to my house, (I do not have a truck). Waiting, Waiting, and hurry up get to Sunday afternoon, so I can use it! LOL | ||
| Post# 434008 , Reply# 7 5/8/2010 at 21:38 (5,100 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee) | ||
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Post# 434009 , Reply# 8 5/8/2010 at 21:43 (5,100 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Post# 434010 , Reply# 9 5/8/2010 at 21:45 (5,100 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Post# 434077 , Reply# 12 5/9/2010 at 09:49 (5,100 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Charles -
I bet your second washer was really appreciated with all that extra capacity, which is probably close to double that of a 24-inch machine. Your mom must have thought she had two new washers! Those dispensers are meant to be removed (1972 versions and later), and very often when a machine was sold, the dispenser didn't go with it. My mother's 1974 machine had the same dispenser, but in gold. We used it sporadically and kept it in the cabinet when not in use. We actually did manage to include it with the machine for the new buyers, who were friends of mine (we left the machine in Denver when we moved and I insisted on knowing what happened to the washer so I sold it to some friends). Our next machine has the Dual-Action version of that dispenser which my mom only recently began using again after it spent years in cabinet. We had a 'near miss' and almost disposed of the washer/dryer a few years ago, and most likely the dispenser would have been left in the cabinet only to be discovered months later. Harold - Charles brings up a good point - do you know if the machine comes with a dispenser? If not, it might be worthwhile to ask your seller if it has one. If not, I think we can find one within this group for you if you want one. Gordon | ||
| Post# 434079 , Reply# 14 5/9/2010 at 10:11 (5,100 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Gordon,
I LOVE your Kenmore AVATAR pic. If you ever feel like offloading it. I would be interested... I dig the backlite roto swirl agitators. Growing up, a neighbor down the street had a machine very similar to this. She used to always do laundry with her garage door open. I snuck in to take a peek on Saturday morning and she caught me. She told me I could come over and watch her machine anytime. As long as I came to the front door and asked first. I especially like the console with that distinct pointer! Very cool! Malcolm | ||
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Post# 434084 , Reply# 15 5/9/2010 at 10:38 (5,100 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Charles -
We replaced the 1974 machine in January 1983 when we moved to Charlotte. I lost track of the '74 in the late 90s when my friend/co-worker passed away. They had the machine much longer than we did - for something like 15 or 16 years, I think with one repair. We replaced the '74 because we did not have a matching dryer, and the dryer we had was gas, and we needed electric in Charlotte. So, Mom replaced both with a new matching set to celebrate moving to Charlotte. We got a very common 1981 model 70-series (that was built well into 1983). By that time the DA had spread into the seventy series machines. You're right Charles about the DA - in the 1978 models it had not yet filtered to the 70-series, in fact I think some 80-series didn't have it yet either. The same was true for the '79 models, then in 1980 the upper level 70-series machines got the DA, then by 1981 all the 70s had it, and in 1983, even one 60 had it. Malcolm - Thanks for the Avatar comment. I love that machine. That is my mother's first model, and thanks to James/70-Series here, he knew of a club member in Roanoke who had the machine, and I was able to get it, and become friends with him at the same time. If I get another one of these perhaps I'll let one go, however for now it's got a long-term home. I have collected one of each of my Mom's three Kenmores, and soon I'm going to have them all home and connected for use. Gordon | ||
| Post# 434089 , Reply# 16 5/9/2010 at 11:19 (5,100 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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that washer is almost exactly like my '81 70 series except mine has the DA. Mine also is HG and has a chip in the porcelain top in the exact same spot LOL | ||
| Post# 434118 , Reply# 17 5/9/2010 at 13:50 (5,100 days old) by harold (Madison, WI) | ||
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Model # & Serial # here is the model # 110.72870610 serial # C82415890 | ||
| Post# 434120 , Reply# 18 5/9/2010 at 13:55 (5,100 days old) by harold (Madison, WI) | ||
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I do need the fabric softner cup If anyone has a extra fabric softner cup dis. I would like to buy it. Please let me know, here is my email hruss145@bellsouth.net Thanks harold | ||
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Post# 434169 , Reply# 19 5/9/2010 at 18:25 (5,099 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Post# 434194 , Reply# 25 5/9/2010 at 20:31 (5,099 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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harold, that's the exact same washer (in features) we got for our vacation/2nd home--the washer & dryer were purchased in 1976, spring I do believe. (I ended up bringingt college laundry "home" one weekend to use the new machine. I personally wasn't too impressed with the penta-swirl agitation roll over compared to the super rotoswirl in the infamous 1970 Kenmore 800 that was in Houston at the time. In fact, I felt the set was something of a "come-down" compared to the 800 at home in Houston. (Ours were white). Friend of mine bought the same set, and in gold too, in Austin when they got married in 1978. The husband turned out to be one of the principal foundrs of Compaq Computer and I was sad to see they left these behind when they moved into their much LARGER house that came with new Maytags in 1985. Our matching dryer had electronic sensor and Wrinkle Guard II. My friends maching dryer, I think< had fabric master drying istead of electronic sensor and it also had Wrinkle Guard I. And regarding your comment about the Hot wash/Warm rinse, that was pretty standard until new energy standard ended up having most machines have only cold rinses. Only the 80 & 980 series still had warm rinses from Hot washes.
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Post# 434399 , Reply# 26 5/10/2010 at 16:02 (5,098 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Bob -
A spring of '76 purchased machine would have been one of the first black-panel models. If the same features as this, then it would have been a 26701 (there was only one large tub 70 series that year). It was the same basic machine except the delicate cycle said 'KNIT - DELICATE' on the panel whereas the '78 read 'KNIT' (see pic) where most others said 'KNIT' and had a separate 'DELICATE' in separate cycle blocks ('77, '79, and '80 models). This didn't change the timer at all or the machine's overall function. I don't believe that one can truly compare rollover between a Roto-Swirl and a Penta-Swirl, actually I don't think we can judgementally compare any standard tub washer to a large tub machine. The physics are simply not the same because this tub is not dimensionally proportionate to a standard tub, therefore the approach to agitation in it may not be the same either. This puts any large capacity machine at an automatic disadvantage in that comparison. There is considerably more height in the large basket vs. a small increase in width, so any agitator design has a much tougher job creating enough current to raise and lower clothes over a greater distance in a big tub. (I'm talking belt-drives here). The first agitators used by Kenmore were steroidal straight-vane designs, which were followed for a few years by giant Roto-Swirls. These gave way to the two Penta agitators, and finally the ultimate was the DA. I think a Surgilator or a Roto-swirl were probably developed enough for a standard tub machine, but the large tubs needed other considerations which resulted in the Dual-Action. I am not sure we'd have ever seen a cork-screw agitator if we had stayed with standard capacity machines as the market focus. Still, knowing the challenges in a big-tub machine, I am more and more finding that I like my 1977 Penta-Swirl equipped washer. I am NOT advocating that it's better than others I have, but I like it. Clothes most definitely are not strewn all over creation in that washer, nor is there roll-over that resembles dolphins at Sea World, BUT, the agitator is more gentle, stuff doesn't go whipping around in the tub like it's getting tugged on from all sides, but it comes out clean. That nasty sock I had a few weeks ago was proof enough for me. I feel better that I haven't put too much wear and tear on my clothes in that machine. Roll over in it is not as dramatic as it would be if I transplanted a DA in there, but clothes do roll, and I think the gentle vanes don't over-beat them when they're in the 'wash zone'. I think Greg's old comment about "One lace doily too much and all action stops" is appropriate for the Penta-Swirl and is one reason why the DA came to be. Some have said on here that they think the Penta-Vane is a better agitator than the Penta-Swirl, and if Sears' marketing is any indicator, they're probably right because the 'Vane went on after the 1981 redesign to be used for 5 more years whereas the 'Swirl was dropped. Realizing that the 1970s were an evolutionary time for large capacity machines, I think the Penta-Swirl was a decent attempt. Gordon | ||
| Post# 434609 , Reply# 28 5/11/2010 at 12:18 (5,098 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
What an interesting, fun thread. Congrats, Harold on your ne
You've all got me thinking:
For a few years, the first Whirlpool large capacity machines came equipped with the standard Surgilator. While at maximum fill, the turnover is not of the "dolphins at Sea World variety" (LOL), but it is steady and effective nonetheless. And because the agitator itself is streamlined, compared to its enormous offspring, there is more room in the tub. In fact, after my Aunt Alice gave me her WP, she lamented the fact that her new GE could not take down her quilt. Similarly, when I moved in here, the house came with the very machine Harold now has. When I looked at the agitator, I thought, as Bob did, are you kidding? Then I saw how effective it was, how much room it provided. Indeed, at the highest water level only the top of the Pentaswirl is visible, similar to Geoff's Gyrators in his conventionals. In that regard, most conventional washers, or wringers and the Easy, have a large tub and a small agitator, relatively speaking; however, their effectiveness is legendary. Then, when these same agitators appeared in the first automatics with their much smaller tubs, the wash action was both dramatic and extreme--dolphinesque. ;-) (I've forgotten exactly what the Pentavane looks like, but the image in my mind is of the agitator in Ross's Thor Semi which may very well have been the model for the Pentavane, adapted by Kenmore's engineers.) Yours, for the greater love of all washers, Mike | ||
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Post# 434622 , Reply# 29 5/11/2010 at 13:08 (5,098 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Mike -
All you need do is ask! Here are a couple pics of Penta-Vanes, courtesy of ebay, lol. They look somewhat different, but that's the camera angle. They are dimensionally identical. First one is the gold incarnation, which was offered from 1973 into 1981. This particular one has the softener dispenser extension on it. 
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Post# 434628 , Reply# 30 5/11/2010 at 13:14 (5,098 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Here's a White Penta-Vane, without the extension.
This agitator was available from 1981 to 1986, and was used in 60 series and lower machines, as well as in the Toyota washers. This agitator too was available with and without the white extension. This version differs a bit from the gold Penta-Vane in that it has an air bleed hole in the skirt that the previous does not, and it also has lint-filter fins underneath for the basket mounted disk lint filters. The gold agitator has recently become NLA at Sears, but stupidly, nobody has subbed the white version for it, which they still have. I would think that someone, if they wanted a new agitator for their machine badly enough, would accept a white one where the gold had been before, vs. not having one at all. Gordon 
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| Post# 434675 , Reply# 31 5/11/2010 at 16:46 (5,097 days old) by harold (Madison, WI) | ||
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Fabric Softner dispenser Hi Guys, I got an email telling they cancel my order for my Fabric Softner dispenser. They do not have anyone, the search is still one to find one. Back to square one again. | ||
| Post# 434845 , Reply# 32 5/12/2010 at 09:51 (5,097 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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**** Gordon *** The Penta-Swirl agitator like this machine has - would that work in my KM 600? Would love to find one of those if it would fit - one of my favorites of the KM agitators. Thanks much! | ||
| Post# 434848 , Reply# 33 5/12/2010 at 10:17 (5,097 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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I noticed the "Push to Stop" on the panel. When did Kenmore stop using the pull-turn-push configuration? My old Kenmore had that, I had to leave it in a move and when i got my new set in 92 it was the current way. Took me a long time to get used to it. | ||
| Post# 434873 , Reply# 34 5/12/2010 at 11:42 (5,097 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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"Mike - All you need do is ask." LOL. Don't en
Thanks, but the addled brain is stuck on the Thor Semi-automatic.
However, now with your pix, I'm seeing a sexavane on the Thor, realizing it has at least one more vane than the Pentavane. We might want to admit that Harold's shot of the Penta swirl is one beautiful sight, so elegant and refined, no whacking paddles or edgy fins, giving no clue as to what it can do. Try yours at a low water level, and you may see--if not dolphins--then at least a a water nymph or two. Place your hand down in and feel the strong suction. Surprising. Back to asking: somewhere is a video of a man exchanging the Thor's washtub for the diswasher tub--yes the Thor could do that--and during the transfer, we get a clear view of the agitator. I don't think that Ross (westyslantfront) has an extant pic of the Thor agi, but I could be mistaken. Thanks again for the shots. | ||
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Post# 434890 , Reply# 35 5/12/2010 at 13:53 (5,097 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Randy -
The answer for your machine is a little complicated. Yes, physically the Penta-Swirl can fit, and one would fit easily in a later 60's 600, but mechanically it depends on your washer's configuration. If you washer was made with a single notched agitator shaft that drives a metal agitator drive block, a Penta-Swirl and any other later plastic agitator can't be installed without installing a new transmission or re-equipping yours with a splined agitator shaft that accomodates later model plastic agitators. You can see Robert's restoration of the '57 Lady Kenmore for some photos of the two agitator shafts, how they differ, and why this is an issue. IF your washer already has a splined shaft (this change happened in the mid-60s), then the drive block can be removed and other agitators installed. One thing to consider if you ever do this - BD transmissions were beefed-up in 1964/65, and considerably. If you install an agitator that increases drag on a previous gearcase that wasn't meant to handle it (such as a large capacity agitator), you can prematurely wear the gear case. Considering the unspoiled aspects of your washer, if it were mine I would not remove or add parts that may or may not permanently alter the machine. Gordon | ||
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Post# 434891 , Reply# 36 5/12/2010 at 14:01 (5,097 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Jackson -
The change from 'push to start' to 'pull to start' happened in the 1974/1976 time frame, and was gradual. Most '74s were still push to start, however one or two timers were introduced that year with the new configuration, including the most common of all belt-drive timers ever, which ironically is in Harold's washer. As a couple more timers were developed, more models got this configuration. When the '76 line came out which was almost entirely all-new machines, they all (I believe) had the pull to start configuration. Basically only 5 or 6 timers had to be developed for Kenmore, and these populated the belt-drives for the next 10 years. Gordon | ||
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Post# 434945 , Reply# 37 5/12/2010 at 19:44 (5,096 days old) by jmm63 (Denville, NJ) |
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Post# 434978 , Reply# 38 5/12/2010 at 21:49 (5,096 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Jim -
Thanks so much for the wonderful comment! I have been fascinated by all things Kenmore-washer since I was about 2. First, ours was all I needed, then when I discovered that most of our neighbors had them too, and none were just the same, I went nuts. We had a 63 '70, a 63 '800, and a 63 '800 LK within a lot or two of my house. Both my grandmothers had 1963/64 Whirlpools, and when we'd come to town, they both would save their laundry so I could be kept occupied. I didn't like their machines as well though because they didn't have a lid switch I could press to watch the spin. I knew enough even at 7 or 8 years old to be able to tell that there was more than a similarity in sound to Mom's and Grandma's washers, and that sparked my inquisitive nature. I'd look at all the Sears catalogs, check them out in the stores (much to Mom's annoyance at times), and made mental notes everywhere I went when I saw a new or different Kenmore. I bought my own new Kenmores while in college, and that was quite a day for me, lol. I absorbed everything about every model on the floor before I made a choice. Eventually I got into the repair of washers, and that exposed me to LOTS more machines and subtle nuiances. I had at least a couple washers like Harold's above, and I remembered that 'Knit' cycle, which I had never seen until I brought the first rebuildable washer like it home from the Sears dock. I bought a Whirlpool parts catalog in 1992 that lists every Kenmore belt-drive washer down the last detail in the model number, from 1975 to 1986. It also has drawings of most of the commonly used parts. I was highly fortunate to meet a neat guy when I bought my sister her first washer and dryer for her apartment after graduating college. He became my buddy and mentor and he shared with me the vast resources of leftover Kenmores that came off the Charlotte distribution dock. So, adding together everything I remember as a kid, what I learned in doing my rebuilding (back when I actually SOLD what I rebuilt - something like 55 or 60 of them), what I have re-learned in 25 years of Sears catalogs that I have, and what I've seen and learned here, it's all gone into my head, and hopefully will stay there. I usually remember what I pay attention to, and this is certainly one of those topics! The one thing I need to learn is how to write shorter posts! Gordon | ||
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