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Post# 436879   5/22/2010 at 23:33 (5,059 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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A GE combination refrigerator showed up today. INTACT! Here are a few pictures after a quick wipedown (and removal of a TON of stickers of all sorts as it was a garage unit...) but before a serious cleaning and paint restoration.

Any idea on age?
BH12PG1
RP691083





Post# 436880 , Reply# 1   5/22/2010 at 23:34 (5,059 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        
Say AHHHHH...

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All the shelves are there and functional. Talk about well lit...

Post# 436881 , Reply# 2   5/22/2010 at 23:36 (5,059 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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Another shot. This has the full width 'peddle' that can be stepped on and will open the refrig door. I love those rotating shelves...

Post# 436882 , Reply# 3   5/22/2010 at 23:36 (5,059 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

Don't know the year for sure, but would say between '57 & '62. Would like to see the inside.

Post# 436883 , Reply# 4   5/22/2010 at 23:38 (5,059 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        
Would like to see the inside.

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Your wish is my command. See above pictures... LOL!

The GE name...


Post# 436884 , Reply# 5   5/22/2010 at 23:38 (5,059 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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And it's a 'Combination'...

Post# 436885 , Reply# 6   5/22/2010 at 23:39 (5,059 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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The freezer...

Post# 436887 , Reply# 7   5/22/2010 at 23:40 (5,059 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

Would say with that interior, that it's most likely a '59 or earlier. Be nice if all my wishes came true that easy!

Post# 436888 , Reply# 8   5/22/2010 at 23:44 (5,059 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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A closer look at the shelving... The Chrome is in remarkable shape inside and out as is the aluminum shelves and porcelin liner. This will be a fun one to clean up as it works just fine. I was surprised to see the inner breaker panels intact and not broken out.

RCD


Post# 436891 , Reply# 9   5/23/2010 at 00:10 (5,059 days old) by A440 ()        

Very nice!
I grew up with the version of the combination after this? I would assume it was after this model. I don't know for sure.
The difference was ours being "frost-less". The shelves were the same in the fridge part. It had the coils at the top of the fridge. I loved those on humid days. The freezer was different as it had the fan on the left side of the freezer with the coils in back of the fan.
It was a great fridge. I would say it lasted for more than 40 years. When my parents bought a new Whirlpool Side by Side from Woolco they put this GE in the laundry room for extra.
There was nothing wrong with it when they got rid of it. We just moved and my parents did not want to take it with us.
You found a very wonderful refrigerator!
Great find!
Brent


Post# 436896 , Reply# 10   5/23/2010 at 00:25 (5,059 days old) by A440 ()        

Oh....
Another thought.....
My mom has talked about this GE Refrigerator for year as how wonderful it kept Vegetables & Greens. She said it would keep them for almost 30 days without a hint of aging.
She still talks about it.
Brent


Post# 436898 , Reply# 11   5/23/2010 at 00:28 (5,059 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)        
Ooh Drew!

That is very nice. Perhaps GE did their sheer look about the same time as Frigidaire/GM; 1957? I'm sure the rounded interior
is pre 1960. What a great find! What are the "breaker" panels?


Post# 436903 , Reply# 12   5/23/2010 at 02:09 (5,059 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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Breaker panels are what I call the plastic trim panels that span the gap between the cabinet and the inside liner that hides the insulation, etc. Usually broken by all sorts of things like dropped glass jars, frozen turkeys and even children trying to reach things on top... They can be glued but never quite look right again...

I can't believe all the lights this machine has. It could be defrosted just by opening the door for a few minutes... LOL!

RCD


Post# 436911 , Reply# 13   5/23/2010 at 05:37 (5,059 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Looks great, Andrew! If I find something like that, it's usually beat, missing the drawers, etc. You have the nicest trade in pile!

Post# 436930 , Reply# 14   5/23/2010 at 11:39 (5,058 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        

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Drew,
I think that's a 1957 (BH-12P). GE's literature says:
"A separately insulated and refrigerated freezer on top, and an automatic defrosting refrigerator section below. Foot pedal opens the magnetic refrigerator door.
*2 Revolving Shelves, 2 Stationary
*Magnetic Safety Doors
*Automatic defrosting refrigerator section
*Big 74 pound true zero-degree freezer
*Removable, adjustable aluminum door shelves
*3 Mini-cube ice trays
*Fold-away bottle racks
*Butter compartment
*Egg rack
*New corner lighting
*Two porcelain vegatable drawers
*Juice can dispenser, ice cream rack"

By comparison, mine is a 1958.

Lawrence


Post# 436931 , Reply# 15   5/23/2010 at 11:40 (5,058 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        
BH-12R interior

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Alas, the next year - no foot pedal and no light in the freezer.

Lawrence


Post# 436932 , Reply# 16   5/23/2010 at 11:42 (5,058 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
1964?

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I remembe seeing one like this at the New York Worlds Fair in 1964.

Post# 436952 , Reply# 17   5/23/2010 at 12:42 (5,058 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        
Thank you, Lawrence!!!

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That is so cool that you had all that. Yours is fantastic looking. Alas, I seem to be missing one rotating shelf. I'm still wowed by the fact that it's still intact and running... I don't 'collect' refrigerators but I kinda like this one.

RCD


Post# 436955 , Reply# 18   5/23/2010 at 12:51 (5,058 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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I'm thinking the 'R' in the serial would then translate over to having been produced (but not necessarily the model year) of '58, but I agree it is probably a '57 model year (see brochure).

Lovely, lovely GE. If my '51 ever dies I would love to replace it with a similar GE Combination to the one you found. I recently saw a '55 GE Combination behind one of the local appliance stores in canary yellow. It was too far gone to be saved, so instead I grabbed the hydrator drawers for storage boxes!

Ben


Post# 436956 , Reply# 19   5/23/2010 at 12:56 (5,058 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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BTW - it appears, per the brochures, that your GE has the correct amount of shelves.

Post# 436959 , Reply# 20   5/23/2010 at 13:25 (5,058 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        

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One tip-off to the model year is the color of the interior. Ge changed those each year, just like automobile changes. '55 featured yellow liners, '65 had turquoise liners (with copper-colored shelves and trim), '57 had the pink liners and '58 had the light blue.

Drew - I wouldn't worry about the number of shelves, especially if you were going to actually use the refrigerator. Mine has one more shelf, but I find that they are too close together and really limit what can be stored. If I were to remove the top shelf I think I could remove one of the revolving shelves, and the refrigerator might be more practical. BTW - that strip of aluminum trim on the freezer door - whatever you do don't lose it! It's key to storing the juice cans. My unit is missing that piece and the cans simply roll out the bottom, with nothing to retain them.

Lawrence


Post# 436973 , Reply# 21   5/23/2010 at 15:29 (5,058 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

My neighbors the Wilsons used to have an earlier model GE with the "lazy susan" shelves. Thought it was a '54, but might have been a '56 model, as I remember it having copper finish trim. Will try to ask them about removing the shelves, as I know they did so when cleaning it.

Post# 436984 , Reply# 22   5/23/2010 at 17:01 (5,058 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
My mom has talked about this GE Refrigerator for year as how

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...and that is partly because of the crisper design...

BUT...

...more importantly, it isn't a frost free fridge...the humidity level is much higher in a cyclic defrost compared to a frost free, so vegetables stay crisper longer...


Post# 437019 , Reply# 23   5/23/2010 at 20:04 (5,058 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        
Pulltostart,

Just returned from the Wilson's, and they said the shelves come out easily. Remove the vegetable drawers, then lift assembly to clear brackets holding top shelf, and bottom of pole will clear its mounting, allowing removal. They never took the shelves off the pole, but think they would slide off.

They did confirm it had Turquoise and Copper accents on the interior, therefore theirs must have been a '56. They got rid of it about 10 years ago when it stopped working.


Post# 437039 , Reply# 24   5/23/2010 at 21:20 (5,058 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Thanks Lawrence, the tip on the interior colors is very helpful. I now know the combo I saw a few months ago was indeed a '55 yellow interior with blue hydrator drawers.

Ben


Post# 437144 , Reply# 25   5/24/2010 at 11:34 (5,057 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        
WOW, Ben!

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Thanks for the scans. That's my frig alright. Now I have to figure out how to save those...

RCD


Post# 437148 , Reply# 26   5/24/2010 at 11:47 (5,057 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
RCD

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If I had a truck that would make it up there, I think my partner in crime and I would be making another trip up to Reno. I'm very tempted by that beautiful fridge even though it's a little newer than I was looking for.

Is it definitely going to need paint? I would be using it for my 2nd fridge out in the laundry room so it wouldn't have to be perfect.

Ralph


Post# 437222 , Reply# 27   5/24/2010 at 18:46 (5,057 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Ah, never mind. I noticed in the brochure that this one has a "forced draft condenser" which is what I'm trying to get away from. I guess the grille at the bottom should have tipped me off to that, huh?

Looks like I need to hold out for an older model.


Post# 437247 , Reply# 28   5/24/2010 at 21:08 (5,057 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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But if nobody wants it . . . let me know! I can be easily persuaded if the logistics can be worked out.

Post# 437274 , Reply# 29   5/24/2010 at 23:33 (5,057 days old) by retropia ()        
Saving web page photos

Drew, to save most web page photos, right click on top of the image, a pop-up menu will appear, select "Save Picture As", another window will pop up, select the folder you wish to save the image in, change the name of the file if you like, then click on "save".

Post# 437284 , Reply# 30   5/25/2010 at 01:36 (5,057 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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Thank you Doug! That helps.

Ralph, I see that you have a 50's GE on your wishlist. If this one fits the bill, let's talk. The paint really is in good shape witha few scratches on the sides but no big thing and the front is in great shape. I actually have a 50's Admiral two door cycle defrost that is my current garage frig. I don't know about anyone else, but being able to knock an item off someone's wishlist is a awesome feeling...

RCD


Post# 437356 , Reply# 31   5/25/2010 at 12:50 (5,056 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Drew, I'm still debating on this. If a more serious person wants to come and take it off your hands, don't hesitate. I'd have to arrange for a truck and coordinate another weekend excursion but geez, that full width pedal rocks!

I'll let you know one way or the other by e-mail.

Ralph


Post# 437376 , Reply# 32   5/25/2010 at 14:32 (5,056 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        
GE Combo action!

And I thought this thread was about a washer/dryer combo!

Post# 437385 , Reply# 33   5/25/2010 at 14:58 (5,056 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
One Question

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Does the butter keeper have a control for soft/hard? That may just seal the deal for me. The brochure posted above doesn't indicate one way or the other.

Post# 437387 , Reply# 34   5/25/2010 at 15:08 (5,056 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        
Sorry...

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No control for the butter keeper. Rather plain there.

Let me use a voice that QSD_DAN knows quite well... *ahem*

"You KNOW you want this aaannnddd it's only a short drive... It's calling out to you..." LOL!!!

RCD


Post# 437406 , Reply# 35   5/25/2010 at 16:10 (5,056 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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OK Drew, I'll look into securing a truck and perhaps the help of another member ;-)

It's not exactly what I'm looking for (that machine may not even exist), but it's more interesting than the '70-ish Whirly that I've had for almost 20 years, probably uses less energy and dimensions are almost identical. It might also be that the butter compartment always keeps it at a spreadable consistency.

No guarantee yet, but if you can shove it into a corner for a while (I know your space is limited) I'll see if I can line things up to rescue it.


Post# 437411 , Reply# 36   5/25/2010 at 16:26 (5,056 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

RP, according to my neighbors their '56 model had the full width foot pedal, and a rounded cabinet like the earlier models, if that's what you're looking for.

Post# 437440 , Reply# 37   5/25/2010 at 17:53 (5,056 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Tom, I do think it's the '56 model year that I consider ideal. I like the earlier styling, but I am also looking for a passive cooling system for the condenser coil as opposed to forced draft, and magnetic seal doors instead of latching. I think the '56 likely has the magnets since it has the pedal, but I don't know if that means it would have forced draft too. I'd have to look at a picture of a '56 to see if it has a grille at the bottom or a solid kickplate.

Post# 437617 , Reply# 38   5/26/2010 at 14:32 (5,055 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
One More Thing

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Can anyone advise on how the "automatic defrosting" of the refrigerated section works? Is there a timer involved? I presume this means there's a drip pan down below that can also be used when defrosting the freezer.

Post# 437637 , Reply# 39   5/26/2010 at 16:24 (5,055 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        

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1956 was the last year for the rounded styling for GE. In 1957 they introduced their "straight line styling" which was their version of Frigidaire's "sheer look". 1956 was also the first year for GE's magnetic doors. I can't address the forced-draft status for 1956.

My 1958 is frostless in the refrigerator section, and that's the reason for the shelf/diverter on the back wall - to catch water drops and send them down below the refrigerator where they can evaporate.

Lawrence


Post# 437638 , Reply# 40   5/26/2010 at 16:28 (5,055 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        
Defrosting

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From the 1957 Service Manual for the BH models:
"The freezer should be defrosted two or three times per year. The fresh food evaporator defrosts automatically. Each time the refrigerating machine suts off, it stays off until the fresh food evaporator temperature goes above thirty-two degrees, allowing the frost accumulated during the running period to melt.
"The defrost water in BH12 refrigerator drains into a trough mounted on the rear wall, down the rear corners of the inner liner, through a drain in the liner bottom and into an evaporating pan under the refrigerator."
Lawrence


Post# 437641 , Reply# 41   5/26/2010 at 16:33 (5,055 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        
However

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My 1958 has it's own quirks. For whatever reason, the system short-cycles; it runs for a short period of time, then shuts off and within 2-3 minutes it attempts to start again. Usually it takes 3 or 4 attempts (John Jowers at Antiqueappliances.com has said the pressure of the refrigerant is equalizing before it restarts) and then it starts cooling and repeats the cycle. Consequently, the system doesn't stay "off" long enough for the evaporator coils in the top of the refrigerator to become above 32 degrees, frost and then ice builds up and cooling efficiency drops. My solution? I purchased an appliance timer and have it programed to shut off between Midnight and 2 am every morning. This allows the frost to melt and correct the problem. This seems to be effective and I am hoping to be able to cut the "off" time back to one hour/day.

Hope this helps explain the BH-12P.

Lawrence


Post# 437675 , Reply# 42   5/26/2010 at 18:51 (5,055 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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This is really interesting.

The refrigerator's defrosting "cycle" is entirely passive, and the condenser coil cooling is forced draft. They had the clean-back technology outside, but not the forced air circulation and heated-defrost system inside. Truly a transitional model.

I think I'd have fun telling visitors about the fridge. Well, the few who would care.



Post# 437678 , Reply# 43   5/26/2010 at 19:13 (5,055 days old) by magic clean ()        
Usually

there is an "off" cycle heater that is clamped to the refrigerator section serpentine evaporator cooling coil.

When the refrigerator temperature control is satisfied, the compressor is turned off and the heater is turned on. This ensures that the frost is completely melted and drained away.

If the wiring diagram is legible, it should be noted there.


Post# 437681 , Reply# 44   5/26/2010 at 19:48 (5,055 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        
Tube Heaters

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Magic Clean - you're correct. Thank you for pointing that out. I researched in the 1958 Service Manual, and here's the description:

"All combination refrigerators have two small six-watt flat, flexible heaters; one is clipped to the inlet tube, and the other is clipped to the outlet tube of the fresh food evaporator, or serpentine. Thse heaters are wired into the cabinet wiring so that the control contacts short out the heaters when the contacts are closed. Thus the heaters are on only when the machine is off, the control contacts open, and the serpentine in the defrost cycle."

I need to see if these are functioning properly in my '58.

Lawrence


Post# 437686 , Reply# 45   5/26/2010 at 20:23 (5,055 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Ahh, so they did have heaters on the evaporator.

How did the 1957 differ from the 1956 (and earlier 50's) models in regard to the evaporator design?


Post# 438477 , Reply# 46   5/30/2010 at 13:22 (5,051 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
OK Andy

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Check your e-mail.

I've got a truck lined up and my accomplice is on board. We'll be paying you a visit within the next week or two.

Ralph


Post# 438505 , Reply# 47   5/30/2010 at 17:23 (5,051 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        
A truck, huh?

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I wonder what ELSE I can pawn off... Errrr... Send home with you? A nice GE f/f washer perhaps? Hee hee hee!

Drew


Post# 438556 , Reply# 48   5/30/2010 at 23:35 (5,051 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Yeah, don't think the thought of additional cargo hasn't occurred to me. Particularly if you have a KDS 22 land on the pile!

Post# 438716 , Reply# 49   5/31/2010 at 14:23 (5,050 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        
Well, funny you should ask...

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I have a KDS20 and I just got a coppertone KDS18 missing the lower access panels... I also have a GE filterflo or four... Who knows what else will rear it's head in the haulaway piles before then. You said you were bringing a semi truck?!?!?

RCD


Post# 438717 , Reply# 50   5/31/2010 at 14:30 (5,050 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Well, fortunately (or maybe not) it's a quad-cab so cargo space is less than on your average pick-up.

I could be tempted by that KDS 20!


Post# 439008 , Reply# 51   6/2/2010 at 02:24 (5,049 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Magnetic Safety Doors

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Can any of the GE experts advise on how long they used the Alnico magnet system with metal strips as opposed to incorporating the magnets into the gasketing?

Back in the mid-late 80's we got a used GE fridge through a friend and I remember it having this same Alnico system but the fridge didn't look at all retro. I'm thinking it was older than it appeared, but still late enough to have an all white interior. I usually remember ALL of my appliances but this one was MOL and came and went in a hurry and I don't know why. The magnets are about the only thing I DO remember about it.


Post# 439054 , Reply# 52   6/2/2010 at 09:33 (5,049 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        
Magnetic door seals

Don't know for sure when the change was made, but our '77 Hotpoint had the metal magnet strips. I'm thinking it was probably early to mid 80's when it took place. Seems like some models had the magnetic door gasket when others were still using the strips. One of my cousins had a '70 SXS like the Brady's, and I think it had a full magnetic gasket. Think SXS's always had magnetic gasket, while top & bottom freezer models used the strips. Sorry I don't have access to my GE catalogs at the present.

Post# 439097 , Reply# 53   6/2/2010 at 11:47 (5,048 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Tom, that information is good enough for me. I think the GE fridge we had was probably one of the later ones to still have the Alnico system, and it didn't have any eye-catching design characteristics that would have placed its manufacture date any earlier than the late 60's or early 70's.


Ralph


Post# 439828 , Reply# 54   6/5/2010 at 20:03 (5,045 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        
I could be tempted by that KDS 20!

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Could and was! The combo AND the KDS-20 left Reno about an hour ago. The loading and tie down was a little Sanford and Son (yes, I'm including myself in that...) but they shouldn't blow off the truck for at least... oh... 5 miles... LOL! It was good to see everybody again and I'm told there WILL be pictures of the incredible journey. Oh, yeah! Nate was cruising the haulaway pile and found a 'hood ornament' for the Frigidaire dishwasher. Push him for pics of that...

Yay! Two more escape The Pile to live on!

RCD


Post# 439910 , Reply# 55   6/6/2010 at 10:03 (5,045 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        
Magnetic Seals

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Ralph,

I've looked through my GE literature, and I find a mix of the magnetic bar and the magnetic seals up through about 1980. By the mid 70's only the manual defrost and the cycle defrost models had the Alnico magnets. As someone noted above, they were never used on the side-by-side models, so it looks like the magnetic seals were introduced in the late 60's with those models and gradually were incorporated over time into all of the other models.

Lawrence


Post# 439912 , Reply# 56   6/6/2010 at 10:14 (5,045 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Love that fridge

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my step mom has the '56 , had it since it was new. Love those roto shelves!
Great find Drew!

I like the square styling of this year too!


Post# 440023 , Reply# 57   6/6/2010 at 22:08 (5,044 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Safe and Sound

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OK, maybe the "sound" part is a bit of a stretch, but it'll get there.

We left Andy's place around 6:15 and got to Nate & David's around 9:30. I had a cold one there and then was on my way by 10, home by 10:30. We had a big butch Silverado quad-cab. A white one. Very comfortable.

I'll be posting pictures. I've started disassembly of the interior for cleaning and am coming up with lots of questions, which I think I'll ask in a separate thread.

Andy, you're right about those bugs. Now the combo has 'em on both sides!

We had a real nice trip, took a detour onto the old US 40 over spectacular Donner Pass on the way up and stopped for photo ops. It was a long day, but worth it. And who'da thunk, when my partner saw the KDS 20 on the truck this morning, he actually paid it some compliments. And here I was expecting howls from him. It's tucked away in the garage where Nate's basket case '72 Frigidaire was. I shoved that machine back in the corner where the rats tend to like to hang out.

More as it develops, so keep an eye out for a new thread.


Post# 440273 , Reply# 58   6/8/2010 at 01:05 (5,043 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Detour Pix

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Just a couple of miles down from the summit. Elevation at Donner Lake is about 5800'

Post# 440274 , Reply# 59   6/8/2010 at 01:09 (5,043 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Another View

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From the same vista point. What you see slicing across the mountain side is a snow shed for the Union Pacific's Overland Route. Looks like it comes in real handy sometimes.

Post# 440276 , Reply# 60   6/8/2010 at 01:14 (5,043 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
One More

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Looking the other direction from the lake view back towards the summit. You can see people who climbed waaaaaay up to the top of that outcropping. Timberline elevations offer some truly dramatic views.




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