Thread Number: 28756
Something interesting pulled me into the basement the other day... |
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Post# 438789 , Reply# 1   5/31/2010 at 22:49 (5,050 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Here is the video link CLICK HERE TO GO TO supremewhirlpol's LINK |
Post# 438790 , Reply# 2   5/31/2010 at 23:00 (5,050 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Here is another video that may help with the year, and the relative location of the brand. CLICK HERE TO GO TO supremewhirlpol's LINK |
Post# 438933 , Reply# 3   6/1/2010 at 16:43 (5,049 days old) by americansuds ()   |   | |
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So the video is 1989, I am guessing that is the year it was made. |
Post# 439026 , Reply# 5   6/2/2010 at 05:44 (5,049 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent)   |   | |
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blank 1: Primus brand, build in Gullegem in 1989? |
Post# 439254 , Reply# 6   6/2/2010 at 20:50 (5,048 days old) by americansuds ()   |   | |
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Is this machine one of Alliance's new products? |
Post# 439728 , Reply# 11   6/5/2010 at 06:19 (5,046 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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The switch on the side probably turns off the timer motor. When using starch, you have to let it tumble thru the clothes for a while, longer than the standard program will allow. It is an OPL machine, but probably has a standard coin-op timer in it that has a quick less-than-30-minutes cycle. With the switch, you can probably have a nice long wash, long rinses and long spin. Seems to me that these old Ipso's only spin out at 80g's.
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Post# 443622 , Reply# 13   6/22/2010 at 17:13 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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The first major issue with this machine that I will tackle is the motor. |
Post# 443626 , Reply# 15   6/22/2010 at 17:26 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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First the frame cross bar has to be removed. The bolts were a big pain to remove as they were super tight. |
Post# 443627 , Reply# 16   6/22/2010 at 17:30 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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cross bar removed; Next, remove the belts(2) slowly and gently and let the motor rest on the ground. |
Post# 443628 , Reply# 17   6/22/2010 at 17:34 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Remove the tension spring |
Post# 443630 , Reply# 18   6/22/2010 at 17:35 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Then lift up on the motor tension bar and slide it out of place. |
Post# 443631 , Reply# 19   6/22/2010 at 17:37 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Remove the power connector |
Post# 443632 , Reply# 20   6/22/2010 at 17:38 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Remove the ground |
Post# 443633 , Reply# 21   6/22/2010 at 17:41 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Now all that has to be done is to uninstall the motor... Remove the bolt (from the front of the machine)that holds the mounting rod in place |
Post# 443635 , Reply# 23   6/22/2010 at 17:46 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Here is one of the bushings... |
Post# 443636 , Reply# 24   6/22/2010 at 17:49 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Once the bushings have been loosened, slide the rod out from the back of the machine. Then begin moving the motor to the front of the machine. |
Post# 443642 , Reply# 27   6/22/2010 at 18:10 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Time to open up the motor: Loosen the set screws on the pulley with allen wrench, Remove the pulley with a puller. |
Post# 443643 , Reply# 28   6/22/2010 at 18:13 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Remove the shaft key, be careful not to damage the winding through the open front of the motor. If you damage the windings, be looking to get another motor. |
Post# 443645 , Reply# 29   6/22/2010 at 18:14 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Loosen the housing bolts |
Post# 443646 , Reply# 30   6/22/2010 at 18:17 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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The motor housing end bells did not just slide off, and I actually had to apply a hammer and screw driver to them. That's a good sign. |
Post# 443648 , Reply# 31   6/22/2010 at 18:19 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Top housing off exposing the armature and stator |
Post# 443652 , Reply# 32   6/22/2010 at 18:22 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Removing the armature shows that there is "play" in the bearings, which explains the shaft turning rough. Armature and stator show that this issue has been caught early. (Another good sign) |
Post# 443656 , Reply# 34   6/22/2010 at 18:32 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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So off to the motor shop it goes... |
Post# 443657 , Reply# 35   6/22/2010 at 18:37 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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3.5 weeks later it's back, and in an interesting shade of gray, with a stamp on it. My motor has been marked! |
Post# 443658 , Reply# 36   6/22/2010 at 18:39 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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what a fat-looking motor! |
Post# 443659 , Reply# 37   6/22/2010 at 18:40 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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And while I was at the motor shop, I had to take these with me. |
Post# 443660 , Reply# 38   6/22/2010 at 18:41 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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The back please the back |
Post# 443661 , Reply# 39   6/22/2010 at 18:45 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I will get to more about the fans later...Now time to install the key and pulley |
Post# 443662 , Reply# 40   6/22/2010 at 18:47 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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The motor goes back in for testing. It is best to test the motor by re-installing it back into it's original environment. |
Post# 443666 , Reply# 42   6/22/2010 at 19:00 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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securing the rod |
Post# 443669 , Reply# 44   6/22/2010 at 19:09 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Reconnect the power connector and ground. |
Post# 443670 , Reply# 45   6/22/2010 at 19:10 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Lastly, re-install the frame cross-bar |
Post# 443671 , Reply# 46   6/22/2010 at 19:12 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Now it is time to test the motor... Here is the configuration: |
Post# 443673 , Reply# 48   6/22/2010 at 19:31 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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The rear of the phase converter |
Post# 443682 , Reply# 51   6/22/2010 at 19:48 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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specs of the smaller fan |
Post# 443683 , Reply# 52   6/22/2010 at 19:49 (5,028 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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In the next few days the fan will be fitted to the motor. |
Post# 443733 , Reply# 53   6/22/2010 at 23:16 (5,028 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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I am enjoying your education so much! Thanks for the time of posting this! Love the washer, motor rebuild, and can't wait to see your invention with the fans! Thanks! Brent |
Post# 443893 , Reply# 54   6/23/2010 at 15:16 (5,027 days old) by bertrum ()   |   | |
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Hi nice restoration work, What are you going to use this commercial machine for?, not your domestic laundry? |
Post# 444491 , Reply# 56   6/25/2010 at 18:22 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Time to fit the fan to the motor... |
Post# 444494 , Reply# 57   6/25/2010 at 18:25 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I made the mounting brackets out of Whirlpool/Kenmore DD cabinet fasteners. |
Post# 444497 , Reply# 58   6/25/2010 at 18:27 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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bracket |
Post# 444498 , Reply# 59   6/25/2010 at 18:29 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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There are a total of 2 barckets holding the fan on to the motor. |
Post# 444499 , Reply# 60   6/25/2010 at 18:31 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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fan fastened to motor |
Post# 444500 , Reply# 61   6/25/2010 at 18:32 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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close up of bracket |
Post# 444502 , Reply# 62   6/25/2010 at 18:35 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Motor back in, drain hose to outer drum needed to be removed. |
Post# 444505 , Reply# 63   6/25/2010 at 18:40 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Everything on this machine is 220v, so no transformers are needed, just find an appropriate place to add the fan to the circuit. The fan will run off the same circuit used for the tumble contactor coil. |
Post# 444509 , Reply# 65   6/25/2010 at 18:58 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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line reactor |
Post# 444510 , Reply# 66   6/25/2010 at 19:01 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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specs |
Post# 444511 , Reply# 67   6/25/2010 at 19:03 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Reactor mounted |
Post# 444512 , Reply# 68   6/25/2010 at 19:06 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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The thermal-overload on the supply circuit contactor has to be upgraded as well. |
Post# 444513 , Reply# 69   6/25/2010 at 19:08 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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the new overload |
Post# 444514 , Reply# 70   6/25/2010 at 19:09 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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overload specs |
Post# 444515 , Reply# 71   6/25/2010 at 19:12 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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the wire used is 14-3 with ground |
Post# 444516 , Reply# 72   6/25/2010 at 19:13 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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wiring the line reactor |
Post# 444518 , Reply# 73   6/25/2010 at 19:16 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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putting in the thermal overload, the old 4-6A is too small. |
Post# 444519 , Reply# 74   6/25/2010 at 19:18 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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line reactor wired, now just worry about the grounds! |
Post# 444522 , Reply# 75   6/25/2010 at 19:22 (5,025 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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The old line reactors are disconnected and removed. Tidy the wires up a bit. |
Post# 446200 , Reply# 77   7/1/2010 at 19:49 (5,019 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)   |   | |
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Post# 446208 , Reply# 78   7/1/2010 at 20:34 (5,019 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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It was great seeing all the shots of your machine after having talked to you the other day. Can't wait to see it in action some day. I may begetting that 1967 WP Imperial Mark 12 this weekend I told you about, I will keep you posted. Keep a look out for that 3 phase extractor I am looking for Thanks John
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Post# 447160 , Reply# 79   7/5/2010 at 10:47 (5,015 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Now it is time to add another receptical. |
Post# 447163 , Reply# 80   7/5/2010 at 10:49 (5,015 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Mount the box. |
Post# 447165 , Reply# 81   7/5/2010 at 10:55 (5,015 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Run the wire, in this case I used 14-3 solid + ground. connect the wires. Make sure they are tight. |
Post# 447167 , Reply# 82   7/5/2010 at 10:58 (5,015 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Tape the ends! It would very bad if ANY of the terminals touch the box while in operation. |
Post# 447169 , Reply# 83   7/5/2010 at 11:01 (5,015 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Well there they are. |
Post# 447171 , Reply# 84   7/5/2010 at 11:05 (5,015 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Wire the receptical. I could have wired the second receptical off the first one, but for possible heat issues, I wired it directly from the reactor. Lets put those big lugs to use. |
Post# 447180 , Reply# 87   7/5/2010 at 11:46 (5,015 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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The dump valve leaks a little, but I have never seen one that has not. |
Post# 447181 , Reply# 88   7/5/2010 at 11:49 (5,015 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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No leaks in the front. |
Post# 447183 , Reply# 90   7/5/2010 at 11:58 (5,015 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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First machine drain. Smells like starch! |
Post# 447186 , Reply# 91   7/5/2010 at 11:59 (5,015 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent)   |   | |
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Ipso is also build in Belgium ^^ |
Post# 451165 , Reply# 94   7/22/2010 at 17:28 (4,998 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 451170 , Reply# 95   7/22/2010 at 17:55 (4,998 days old) by vintagesearch ()   |   | |
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ooooooo aaaaaaaa i want one! |
Post# 451184 , Reply# 97   7/22/2010 at 19:00 (4,998 days old) by sudsman ()   |   | |
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I am sure you are excited too. |
Post# 451355 , Reply# 98   7/23/2010 at 17:24 (4,997 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I'm so excited, I'm shaking in my boots!! I think I'm going to have to post video of it when everything up and running. The Ipso needs a name.. |
Post# 452148 , Reply# 99   7/26/2010 at 14:46 (4,994 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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The belts and soap box assembly should be arriving shortly. |
Post# 458544 , Reply# 100   8/22/2010 at 20:40 (4,967 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Belts and soap box have arrived |
Post# 458545 , Reply# 101   8/22/2010 at 20:43 (4,967 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Old belts look really bad |
Post# 458546 , Reply# 102   8/22/2010 at 20:45 (4,967 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Machine comes up to speed quick with new belts, no more burning smell. |
Post# 458547 , Reply# 103   8/22/2010 at 20:49 (4,967 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I removed the Ecolab pump system as well, because it would just be in the way. Lots of wiring to be corrected. |
Post# 458549 , Reply# 104   8/22/2010 at 20:54 (4,967 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I made a back panel, out of some SS metal that was sitting in the yard. Needs a polish. |
Post# 458553 , Reply# 106   8/22/2010 at 21:06 (4,967 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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PB3 allows for more expandability, than PB2, also has required breathe outlet as well |
Post# 458557 , Reply# 108   8/22/2010 at 21:18 (4,967 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Leaks a little at the center bottom of the outer drum, from the connection. It won't hurt very much, outer drum is SS, fan and connections are water resistant, but leaks are still bad. |
Post# 458564 , Reply# 109   8/22/2010 at 22:02 (4,967 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 458666 , Reply# 110   8/23/2010 at 09:33 (4,967 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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You're basement amazes me if I haven't already mentioned. I'm glad to see that machine coming along, many of us who are faced with large projects can get out of touch with it and let it sit. I'm glad you're still working on this, because it's really freakin awesome to have one of these in your basement. I'd love to see it in operation.
-Tim |