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Help! Unimatic is shorting out
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Post# 442919   6/19/2010 at 17:02 (5,053 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        

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I haven't run my Unimatic in about a year because I didn't have a timer. I finally found one but it only provides wash action for (1) 30 second interval. To get around this problem, I spliced a wire going to the timer motor and installed a light switch. After the machine was rigged but still in storage, I gave it a quick test run ungrounded ( looking back at this, it is probably one of the dumbest thing I could have ever done) and it worked perfectly. I was so excited and I couldn't wait to get the machine hooked up. After I did, I ran a wire from the water vavle assembly to a cold water pipe. When I plugged the machine in, it spat a whole buch of sparks and melted the ground wire right off. Any ideas on what could be the problem?? The light switch is comepletly naked, maybe I should wrap it in electrical tape, but I don't see where it is shorting. Has this ever happend to other Unimatic owners?




Post# 443337 , Reply# 1   6/21/2010 at 11:39 (5,051 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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I would try disconnecting the ground wire you hooked up. Usually, a ground wire will run from the frame of the appliance to either the ground connection in the outlet box (most often a green wire) or to a water pipe or stake that litterally . Definitely tape up any exposed connections on the switch, too.
I am betting the machine will work again with the wire removed!
Oh and just a word of "learned it the hard way" advice - wear shoes with thick soles (bare feet + wet concrete = serious shock) and if possible, use a power bar to connect items you are testing. Their built-in breaker will protect you and your washer!!


Post# 443351 , Reply# 2   6/21/2010 at 13:00 (5,051 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        

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Thank you so much for the advice! I did all this and of course the machine doesn't even respond now. It behaves like it's not even plugged in!! My next thought is the "push to reset" button, I have tried to push this in but to no avail. Any ideas anyone??

Post# 443353 , Reply# 3   6/21/2010 at 13:06 (5,051 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Hum Jed, this sounds strange.

but it only provides wash action for (1) 30 second interval.

Can you explain this further? Does it fill for 8 intervals, advance to pulsate? What does it do after 30 seconds in wash? Does it pulsate in the rinse cycle at all?

It sounds like your ground wire was carrying some pretty heavy current for it to have been grounded to the valve assembly to a pipe. I'd be double checking all the wire connections at the timer at this point. Something doesn't seem right.

Ben


Post# 443356 , Reply# 4   6/21/2010 at 13:12 (5,051 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        

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Hey Ben, it fils for the full ten minutes, pulsates for 30 seconds, then starts to overflow (the rest of the cycle is the same).

I have looked everything over, but will do it again.


Post# 443366 , Reply# 5   6/21/2010 at 14:07 (5,051 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        
DO NOT USE UNGROUNDED!

unless you and the washer are standing on a dry wooden floor with no grounded surfaces in your presence that you could accidently touch.

The washer and any other major appliance should be grounded using a cord and plug with ground, connected to a properly grounded receptacle. Using a seperate ground wire is iffy at best, and I believe a violation of NEC. The machines ground must run back to the service panel the circuit originates from. It is only at the main service point where bonding to the metal water line, ground rod(s), etc. is made.

It is obvious there was a major short somewhere in this machine, for the ground wire you used to melt in two. Using the washer ungrounded is very unsafe. If you were to touch the machine and a grounded surface at the same time, the current would flow through your body to complete the circuit, resulting in a severe shock or electrocution. You should also plug it into a GFCI receptacle for better safety.


Post# 443384 , Reply# 6   6/21/2010 at 14:58 (5,051 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Jed the first thing I would do is undo the changes you made to the timer line and put everything back to the way it was originally, make sure the machine properly grounded and see what happens. Something electrical is touching the cabinet somewhere.

Post# 443422 , Reply# 7   6/21/2010 at 17:54 (5,051 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
GROUNDING WASHERS

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A separate ground wire is an acceptable way to ground an older appliance. However the wire used for grounding should be at least 14 ga copper wire. I never test anything thats not grounded, I often use a car jumper cable clamped to the cold water pipe as a temporary ground when I first test something.but when I restore it I usually install a three wire cord. However if you wanted to leave the machine completely original you could install a separate ground wire.


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