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Post# 77176   8/8/2005 at 22:12 (6,806 days old) by Frontloadfan (Wellfleet, Ma.)        

This last weekend, my new Maytag/Samsung didn't get delivered as promised, so I had to make my way to the local laundry mat. Actually it was a good experience. They had over a dozen Speed Queen stainless steel front loaders. They look to be at least 20 years old. I loved that they had the countdown feature and did what seemed to be a great job in 30 minutes flat. I especially liked that after they completed the final spin and came to a stop, the countdown timer still had 2 minutes left. Great, I thought, they will be like my Frigidaire Front Loader and make me wait for 2 minutes for no reason before they unlock the door.

Surprise, after staying stopped for 15 seconds, both of my machines then sprung to life, reversed and did a light fluffing spin. Then when it stopped, presto, right away the door released!

Does anyone now what the size of those old Speed Queen front loaders was? The smaller had signs up saying they were good for up to 25 lbs of clothes and the larger FL Speed Queens were signed for 40 lbs.

It's too bad Speed Queen hasn't been more aggressive in getting into the home front load market. It really seems like they make a good product and they have so many years experience!





Post# 77225 , Reply# 1   8/9/2005 at 07:09 (6,806 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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I like them a lot too.

Even their T/L-ers are nice, INHO


Post# 77286 , Reply# 2   8/9/2005 at 13:28 (6,806 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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SQ's front loaders are very dear for the features they offer, especially when compared to units such as the Bosch "Nexxt". No internal heaters, limited cycle selection with very short cycle times. Bascially a coin operated washing machine without the coin box. Mind you the build quality is decent, but some have reported the face plates are glued on,and other minor things one does not expect in a washer costing upwards of $1400.

SQ is going to have to pull up their socks and either offer more features or drop the price if they hope to make any sort of dent in the residential front loader market.


Launderess


Post# 77301 , Reply# 3   8/9/2005 at 14:50 (6,805 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
What other options do you really need?

Hi Launderess,

What options does a normal user really need? I know it's possible in the US to get a machine 20+ cycles, but who really ever uses more than one or two of them anyway? I manage quite sucessfully with 2 cycles coupled with 5 wash rinse temps. Family members who have a FL basically use two out 10 cycles.

It might look impressive to add lots of options, but what value does it really add to the user?

If the machine didnt have Seperate Temperature controls, then I could understand. The options and controls arent any different really to a SQ TL. There is a maximum of 5 cycles there. They just havent given you the ability to choose the timer increment you want to start from.

Regards

Nathan


Post# 77323 , Reply# 4   8/9/2005 at 17:55 (6,805 days old) by The7 ()        
SQ FL with Heater

Please note that SQ FL has an internal Heater version with a boosted temperature of 140 F.

Post# 77633 , Reply# 5   8/11/2005 at 12:48 (6,804 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Commercial SQ could have been sourced from any one of several companies. The only true SQ front loaders were known as "Super Load" or "Super Mate" washers. These were big, boxy machines with the mesh covering the undercarriage access, stainless steel tub with only 2 lifter vanes. One wash, one spray rinse, 2 deep rinses. Many are still in service and owners love these machines.

Once they discontinued these washers, SQ sourced washers from Continental, Primus and Dexter before settling on Unimac. Shortly after contracting with Unimac, SQ merged with Unimac and Huebsch to form Alliance Laundry Systems. The current SQ line is still Unimac based. Unimac/SQ recently introduced a softmount, hi-extract line of commercial washers that they are sourceing from Ipso.

SQ tops and the Horizon line have always been their own design. When Amana was sold off to Goodman at about the same time that Alliance Laundry Systems was formed, while the TL machines are very similar under the hood, they are different and diverged further as time went on.


Post# 77637 , Reply# 6   8/11/2005 at 13:05 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
Speed Queen Washers

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As part of my job as a commercial real-estate appraiser, I get to inspect buidlngs. Some have laundry rooms.

Does it get better than that?


Post# 77638 , Reply# 7   8/11/2005 at 13:05 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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such fun

Post# 77641 , Reply# 8   8/11/2005 at 13:06 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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SQ

Post# 77642 , Reply# 9   8/11/2005 at 13:07 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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commerical machines

Post# 77644 , Reply# 10   8/11/2005 at 13:09 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Commercial machines

Post# 77645 , Reply# 11   8/11/2005 at 13:10 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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commercial machines

Post# 77646 , Reply# 12   8/11/2005 at 13:11 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Commercial machines

Post# 77647 , Reply# 13   8/11/2005 at 13:19 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Commercial machines-
Gas buner at the top.
Lint filter & huge compartment below tumbler.
These dry a full-sized load in 30+/- minutes.

These dyers have a heat input of 60,000+/- BTU/hr, as opposed to 22,000+/- Btu/Hr that is normally seen in a domestic Amercian gas-fired dryer. (Don't even as for KW I have NO IDEA!)

60k BTU-s is equivalent to four gas-stove burners and an oven on at once.

24k BTU-s is two surface burners on at once.


Controls are (Top to Bottom:)
"ON" pilot light
Three position temperature rocker switch.
"Start" button (as required by law)... on a home machine to prevent machine fromm re-starting on its own, should a child climb in and shut the door.
Coin slide is ont he right slide.


Post# 77648 , Reply# 14   8/11/2005 at 13:20 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Thank you for partaking of this emergency interruption.
We now return to the regularly scheduled programming:


Post# 77675 , Reply# 15   8/11/2005 at 16:44 (6,803 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas)        
LOL !!!

Ok Steve, are you appraising those buildings based on the building......or what is in its laundry room!

Post# 77710 , Reply# 16   8/11/2005 at 20:07 (6,803 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Well, actually how much fun is this?

Real conversation said to various superintendents ("New Yawk" for building manager).

1) How big is your unit?
2) I'll need to see it.
3) I'll need to photograph it.
4) What's the best way to get to it?
5) and if a mess- When was the last time it was maintained?
6) Take a seat? No, thank you. I can't while I'm working.


One time I had a BOG (friend of Dorothy's) hugely corporate power-broker type busting out laughing. We had each other pegged in mili-seconds.

It's a living.....




Post# 80536 , Reply# 17   8/26/2005 at 22:54 (6,788 days old) by FrontLoadFan (Wellfleet, Ma.)        
Speed Queen Commercials On Ebay

I was alerted on this board to a link on ebay, where a landrymat owner was selling several Speed Queen front loaders. I just checked back and those machine apparently have already sold.

Now there is a new listing on Ebay from a landrymat owner in Orland Park, IL who is selling 11 of the Speed Queen "Supermates" which hold 18 lbs. of laundry. He states they were made in 86-87 and are set for 32 minute wash cycles.

From what I can tell when these units go onto Ebay, they don't seem to go for that much, but you are strictly on your own for delivery. If you are interested, just go to Ebay and enter Speed Queen. These have 4 days left to run, but they seem to be sold pretty regularly on Ebay.


Post# 80551 , Reply# 18   8/26/2005 at 23:58 (6,788 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Location, Location, Location

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Many urban areas already have one or more dealers of used/rebuilt units, so the eBay units would have to be a great deal to by pass them. Also buying commercial units sight unseen could be a disaster if one installed them in a "mat" and they turned out to be duds.

Finally like many other large appliances, thems that wants are not always near to the items. Have seen many, many great commercial units on eBay, some MIB either languish or go for very low prices. IMHO this is because the item really has to have a local market. Crating,packing and shipping a 300 pound or more washer is not inexpensive, so even if the unit only cost $100, one will surely spend $600 or more to ship.

Mind you, am still waiting for one of the older SQ "Commercial Homestyle" washers with heaters to pop up on eBay. But so far nothing!

Launderesss


Post# 80583 , Reply# 19   8/27/2005 at 10:20 (6,788 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Those two agitators are a sight. The one in the stainless tub had a bite taken out of the top of the front-most vane and the one in the black speckled porcelain tub (at least I hope that is black porcelain) looks like the mating of the white Maytag agitator with the arrow-shaped fins on the barrel and a Surgilator with the resulting heat of passion causing some distorsion. If you look at the black speckled tub just right, the white speckles can look like water spray droplets caught in freeze frame, at least to me, but then I have not had my medications yet.

Post# 80596 , Reply# 20   8/27/2005 at 13:52 (6,788 days old) by FrontLoadFan (Wellfleet, Ma.)        
Question for Laundress

Hey Laundress,

I have a question for you. I had the Frigidaire FL for 8 years and then the bearings went out on it. I was curious about the Commercial front load Speed Queens. With the type of wear they would get, say 12 hours of almost constant use each and every day, how long would the bearings typically last on them? I wouldn't be surprised if they needed to be replaced on a yearly basis. I mean if you consider a typical household has even one load per day (and that seems pretty high), a commercial Speed Queen would be working the equal of 20 years of home use in one year!


Post# 80600 , Reply# 21   8/27/2005 at 14:16 (6,788 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Far as I know bearings on commercial front loaders can go ages before being replaced if ever during service. It is common for bearing to be changed during a refit such as when an older washer is being stripped/rebuilt/repaired before being sold as "used" laundry equipment. Will ask our local laundromat owner and see what his thoughts are.

IIRC correctly much has to do with the type of bearings, how/if they are sealed and placment. Obviously a "cheap" FriGeMore unit which had bearings as part of the plastic outer drum assembly is not going to be the same as heavy duty commercial bearings which are sealed and separate. It has been explained to me that if bearings are of good quality and sealed against water/detergent getting in, they can go ages.

Thing to keep in mind is that commercial front loaders especially laundromat units are designed to be easily serivced and if need be rebuilt. This is why one sees 30 year old or more Wascomat units still around, happily in service. Mind you they lack some of the bells and whistles of modern units, but they get the job done. If you ever take peek inside a commercial front loader, you will see they are VERY basic units. Built for the duration, but easily serviced and if one knows how, taken apart.

Launderess


Post# 80862 , Reply# 22   8/29/2005 at 21:27 (6,785 days old) by Emily707 ()        
Need More Speed Queen Info....

I have been watching with interest this thread on Speed Queens. I am in the market for a stacked FL W/D unit. I have been looking hard at the Maytag stacked unit (MLG2000A), Fridgidaire (GLTF2940)and LG (2277 or 2075) stackables. I have looked at the Speed Queen site. They too have a stacked set. Priced $1800-1900 in my area, altho no one carries this particular unit to be looked at, I am wary of buying something like this sight unseen. The size and basic choices are OK by me. Has anyone here actually purchased a more recent model of Speed Queens? What is their reliability record? How well do they wash and are they gentle on clothes?
Thanks for all the really interesting information...you're all such a wealth of knowledge.
Emily


Post# 80944 , Reply# 23   8/30/2005 at 15:31 (6,784 days old) by jimmyb (Texas Y’all)        
I have Speed Queens

Emily:

I purchased Speed Queens in early March and am very happy with them. I used to have an Asko set which was great but I was disappointed with the capacity and longer wash times. I switched to LG's which were refurbished and after a month they went back as the washer never would spin.

I now have the ATS90AWN washer (front load no heater) and AES68AWF dryer. My laundry is not terribly soiled so the shorter cycle time and not having an internal heater is not a problem for me. Cycle time for the regular wash is 30 minutes and the dryer is quick as well. The spin on the washer is louder than the Asko but no big deal.

I have given a link to that home site which has a laundry room forum and went ahead and did a search for Speed Queen. Quite a while ago somebody on there had purchased the stacked unit that you are looking at and was quite happy as well. I did not find there posting and am not sure if they have an archive.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Jim


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Post# 83474 , Reply# 24   9/15/2005 at 22:40 (6,768 days old) by FrontLoadFan (Wellfleet, Ma.)        
Speed Queen (35 lb.) Commericial Just Posted on Ebay

I was just on ebay. I did a search for speed queen. It is common to see the smaller speed queens commercial front loaders listed (25 lb.). Tonight, however, there is a 35 lb. model listed. The person stated he bought it a few years ago for $3,000.

If you are interested, check it out (post is for five days) for the pictures. They have a whole series of pictures from every angle both inside and outside of the machine. Here is something I found of interest. One of the pictures was the model number plate. In addition to listing its capacity as 35 pounds, it listed its voltage requirement as 208-240. I never thought about it, but are all of the commercial speed queens FL 208/240 voltage? Or are the small units (25 pound capacity) 110? Also interesting is that you can see that the top of the machine clearly has hinges on the back, so the repairman can insert a key and just push up the top. I guess the front comes right off too for easy access.


Post# 83476 , Reply# 25   9/15/2005 at 22:52 (6,768 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Have peeped at the voltage for smaller units at the local laundromat from about 12lbs to 35lbs and they all run on 208v voltage. IIRC most SQ frontloader excpet the "Homestyle" light commercial models run on 208v power. There are however some smaller coin units which run on 110v power, however do not know if they are still in production. See the following link:



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Post# 83479 , Reply# 26   9/15/2005 at 23:00 (6,768 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Easy Access

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Most if not all commercial frontloaders, at least those recently built are designed for "easy front access". After all these units normally bolted down into concrete and have gravity drains, not to mention weigh in at about 300lbs more or less. In short they do not move very easily! *LOL*

Also quite a few laundromat/commercial laundry owners like to do their own repairs (to save on costs and keep down time low), and easy front access makes repairs that much easier.

Launderess


Post# 83485 , Reply# 27   9/16/2005 at 00:07 (6,768 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Today I went down to our local coin laundry and had to wash our queen size comforter, one of our dogs got sick last night, yuk.
I ended up using a Wascomat Senior 124 machine. I sat there and watched it work. It used generous amounts of water, about 1/3 up the door and was very splashy! I used All HE detergent. The rinse water was very clean after those high speed spins between rinsing cycles(3).
I was not only amazed at how much water went into the drum on all cycles, but how quiet the machine actually was. It was almost silent during the wash & rinse mode. Now the spin start was just like a jet engine spooling up. The whole cycle from start to finish was about 30 minutes. And the comforter was perfectly clean when done.
I looked at the power requirements for this washer, 208-240V 3 Phase! I imagine it really drinks the juice!
Unfortunately, I used one of those SQ Commercial Dryers and set it on "low" and 10 minutes later, when I checked on the drying progress I could smell the fabric burning! That dryer got so hot I could hardly touch the comforter, and that was on low!


Post# 83498 , Reply# 28   9/16/2005 at 07:48 (6,768 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
SQ Cion Op Horizon Machine

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I have had that SQ Horizon machine in like on ebay, in my tenants unit for 5 years. She is a big washer, almost everyday. It has run and run without a problem for all that time! A real record when you consider I bought her a commercial Staber and spent EVERY OTHER WEEKEND under the thing trying to keep it going!

I would not hesitate at all buying the home version as it has most of the same components.
I must say I was shocked to see the low amount of water it uses! I saved a bundle but was worried my tenants would end up dirty looking or have rashes all over them! No such thing! Even the newborn has no rashes so the SQ really rinses out well but the clothes never look more than damp!

One feature they really love is the roulette feature. You can program whatever sequence you like but I have it set to 1 out of every 139 washes will be FREE and the console will flash FREE when it comes up! They rush the laundry into the machine everytime that happens!



Post# 83499 , Reply# 29   9/16/2005 at 07:49 (6,768 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I'd...

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LOVE A WASHER CALLED SUPER MATE!!

Post# 85854 , Reply# 30   9/28/2005 at 19:56 (6,755 days old) by frontloadfan (Wellfleet, Ma.)        
New Speed Queen Front Loaders

Today I had lunch near this ancient coin laundry. I get a kick in walking through and seeing the really old and worn front loaders (but still keep plugging away despite missing parts of lower front panels).

Today I was surprised as all the old front loaders were still there, but they had replaced one half of their Speed Queen top loaders with brand new Speed Queen front loaders. First time I have seen these in a laundry. Rather than stainless steel, they are white. Rather than having the nice big door of the "double load" Speed Queen, they have a door that I think is even smaller than the one on the older Frigidaire front loader. I can understand why a laundry would need more smaller capacity machines, but it is a shame to see them give up the stainless steel panels.

In any case, I am certain these are the same machines that are also available for the home.


Post# 85997 , Reply# 31   9/29/2005 at 14:27 (6,755 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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The new machines have a larger capacity than the toploaders. They are a drop in replacement -- no need to bolt down, have a pump drain, and 110 volt standard plug. And since California is the most Energy Star Nazi state, you will see more and more FL's being installed in place of TL's.

Post# 86019 , Reply# 32   9/29/2005 at 16:46 (6,754 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Peter did you say NAZI?
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

You would think the whole low-in-water-in-general southwest would demand these.





Post# 86024 , Reply# 33   9/29/2005 at 17:11 (6,754 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Excuse me gentlemen, but the word Nazi isn't very appropriate for using in this context. I'm sure that there are enough other words to use to explain what you mean.

Post# 86038 , Reply# 34   9/29/2005 at 19:14 (6,754 days old) by agiflow ()        

Why doesn't the government just outlaw all TL's now. I mean that is the direction we are headed in, after all doesn't BIG BROTHER know best?

Post# 86039 , Reply# 35   9/29/2005 at 19:20 (6,754 days old) by agiflow ()        

Louis, the point is is that government has no business in the private lives of it's citizens. Least of all dictating which type of washer we will be forced to use in the future.

Pat


Post# 86070 , Reply# 36   9/29/2005 at 21:43 (6,754 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

I don't know what govt agency is making up the new "washer" laws-but in the interest of helping Katrina and Rita victims recover-how'bout shutting that agency down-scrapping those regs-and using the funds saved-and helping those folks out-We don't need them telling folks what washers to buy.Its sort of like vacuums--upright Vs canister.Let the BUYER decide.I feel we need to get the govt OUT of the laundry room,the bathroom,and the kitchen.With those agencies shut down-We could really do some serious helping out!!

Post# 86119 , Reply# 37   9/30/2005 at 07:21 (6,754 days old) by westyslantfront ()        

I too have heard about t/l/s disappearing...for now I will hold on to my t/l norgetag....it is not a bad machine at all

Post# 86135 , Reply# 38   9/30/2005 at 09:42 (6,754 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Best we can hope for is the government passing the Republican spending cut proposal. Energy Star would go away. Good riddance.

Post# 86211 , Reply# 39   9/30/2005 at 17:30 (6,753 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Yes--Would love to see "Energy Star" go away-let these energy and water issues be handled LOCALLY where it belongs and the decisions of customers WHERE IT BELONGS-Not the Know-nothing Govt!!What do they know about appliances??they need to read this site.I definely see the need for energy-water saving devices in areas where water and power is expensive-but why force it on everyone-whats the point-they are paying for something they may not need.FL machines are interesting--but like some vacuums-GROSSELY OVERPRICED to gain the benefit.Much like Hybrid cars that are started to be promoted.I have driven one-very nice-but its price isn't saving me any money no matter what the price of gas is.At the monthly payments the dealer quoated me for the car--it would actually be cheaper for me to hire a cab or limo to take me to and from work!!

Post# 86354 , Reply# 40   10/1/2005 at 05:48 (6,753 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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well... Ida know fellas.

The mandated removal of gas pilot-lights (from most appliances) in their design and manufacture.

1) Saved huge amoutns of natural gas
2) Enabled gas appliances, esp. stoves to evolve forward self-clean and sealed burners.
3) Makes stove much cleaner and healhier-- they are not polluting the inddor air when not in use.

I know we all love our top-loaders and they are "home" no matter what happens. But the swich to a F/L is nto so major and an almost effortless way to save on water and chemicals.

(DUCKS AND RUNS....)

The saddest thing of all IMHO is that the change to F/L-ers has opened up the appliance mfg. market to foreigners.. and it appears to have been one of the last "all-American" industries.

On the plus side, an Asian window A/C with a domestic brand badge is now less than $100. Back in 1975 they were around $250.

Sadly also, the flimsy styrofoam n place of insulaed metal makes them MUCH queiter. Ditto Asian design type units with indoor cool-air discharge on right side of front, versus top of front.

*SIGH*


If you think that the gov't is getting involved in your personal affairs now, you should write to me and I'll tell you about propsed legislation that will BLOW you mind.


Post# 86395 , Reply# 41   10/1/2005 at 13:55 (6,753 days old) by cybrvanr ()        

one of the biggest annoyances I have about the removal of standing pilots from ranges, water heaters, and other gas appliances is that the machines cannot be operated without an electrical connection! The installation of a new gas appliance usually means that an electrical connection also must be run to the new appliance's installation location

Building electronic ignition systems that run off of batteries, or just building the device in such a way that it can be match-lit has not even been a consideration of the manufacturers.

In my neck of the woods, we get frequent thunderstorms during the summer, and ice storms during the winter, that take down the power lines. Electrical outages have become a commonplace around here, especially since most of the lines are run above ground.

In my parent's home, we had gas everything, stove, dryer, water heater, furnace, and even a few outside lights. The beauty of this stuff is that even when the electricity was out, we could still cook, take a hot shower, and even heat the house, becasue the old floor furnace did not require any electricity for fans, relays, or ignition systems. These new-fangled gas appliance will not allow that to happen. My mom cannot even light her new stove with a match if the power goes out!

The biggest, most annoying thing about gas appliances these days outside of the simple fact they do require electricity, is while they are more efficient in the amount of gas they may use, their electricity usage is going up. That is information NOT published on the energy-guide sticker on the front. One of the things I shop for in a new appliance is the energy consumption numbers. Not publishing the TOTAL energy consumption over all sources to me is misleading.


Post# 86456 , Reply# 42   10/1/2005 at 23:17 (6,752 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
gas/electricity

"In my parent's home, we had gas everything, stove, dryer, water heater, furnace, and even a few outside lights. The beauty of this stuff is that even when the electricity was out, we could still cook, take a hot shower, and even heat the house, becasue the old floor furnace did not require any electricity for fans, relays, or ignition systems. These new-fangled gas appliance will not allow that to happen. My mom cannot even light her new stove with a match if the power goes out!"

I haven't seen a tank-type water heater with electric ignition yet. In this case, the pilot heat isn't "wasted" since it helps keep the water warm.

Why can't your mom light the top burners with a match? I can do that on my gas range with electronic ignition, though the oven can't be lit that way.


Gas dryer still helpless without power.

manual gas furnace is great, except that heat distribution is poor even when you have power, sice there's no fan to circulate things


Post# 86465 , Reply# 43   10/2/2005 at 00:13 (6,752 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Ttoo bad appliance manufacturers don't add a pusbutton sparker as seen on BBQs, rather than a glow plug or sparker.

My 20 inch wide Avanti brand (Turkkish origin) gas stove uses a cliker to ignite. However ALL burners can be lit suring a vbalck-out. One simply holds in the oven/broiler for 15 ssonds until ignition is "proved".

Similarly due to its design, the oven-burner flame increases bnd decreases in size as it did back in the days of Robershaw brand mechanical gas controls


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Post# 86478 , Reply# 44   10/2/2005 at 06:37 (6,752 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
A good old fashioned

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Wood Stove is always ready at my house for ignition.

But there is a very good point made here, pilot lights do have a purpose and electronic ignition is not energy free.
Down at the Cape by the sea the air moisture is so great all summer long that the thermocouple in our Boiler has to be replaced every 2 years because it gets so wet sitting there it corrodes. NOW when Boilers had pilot lights the heat generated kept the thermocouple hot and dry all summer and it worked for 10 years at a time without replacement.

I think we ALL HAVE To REDUCE our carbon emissions across the board and mandating that is necessary BUT in the case of Laundry as an example of individual choice I think it very important that the consumer have complete control over the cycles of the machine and still have clearly marked cycles that save energy.

The energy star guidelines don't ever say the Consumer Must do this or that with their washer so we should have the OPTION to step off the Energy Star merry go round when doing things in our homes.
Obviously I have issues with modern water usage in the new F/Loaders. Yes my Neptune does get things clean but I sometimes want alot of water exposure for my wash for various reasons and as a consumer I should not be prevented from having that option on the equipment I buy.

A law is not a law if you can't enforce it and when I am down in my basement doing laundry you can't enforce that.

Its like the first generation loflush toilets. Does anyone remember them? We all had to flush 2 & 3 times to get them to work which !DUH! used as much water as the older ones.

Whenever I have contacted Energy Star all I have ever gotten from them is nonsense answers. It is staffed by the most appliance ignorant group I have ever talked too.
They couldn't even tell me how they calculate drum size on front load washing machines!!



Post# 86491 , Reply# 45   10/2/2005 at 08:57 (6,752 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
20 inch wide electric smooth-top

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BTW=>

Did anyone notice in my linky above that Avanti now offers a 20 Inch (50 cm) electric range with a smooth-top ("glass"/ceran)?

Not sure abut elsewhere but that is news here...

Also speaking of *non-standard* sizes with TOL features... Sears has a 24 inch wide (60cm) electric free-standing range/oven self-cleaner.


Post# 86492 , Reply# 46   10/2/2005 at 09:01 (6,752 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
I want my T/L-er

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Let's assume T/L-ers do eventually become restricted as to purchase here...

I am wondering if Canada and Mexico will still offer them for sale.

ROAD-TRIP!



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