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Post# 77225 , Reply# 1   8/9/2005 at 07:09 (6,806 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 77286 , Reply# 2   8/9/2005 at 13:28 (6,806 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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SQ's front loaders are very dear for the features they offer, especially when compared to units such as the Bosch "Nexxt". No internal heaters, limited cycle selection with very short cycle times. Bascially a coin operated washing machine without the coin box. Mind you the build quality is decent, but some have reported the face plates are glued on,and other minor things one does not expect in a washer costing upwards of $1400. SQ is going to have to pull up their socks and either offer more features or drop the price if they hope to make any sort of dent in the residential front loader market. Launderess |
Post# 77323 , Reply# 4   8/9/2005 at 17:55 (6,805 days old) by The7 ()   |   | |
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Please note that SQ FL has an internal Heater version with a boosted temperature of 140 F. |
Post# 77633 , Reply# 5   8/11/2005 at 12:48 (6,804 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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Commercial SQ could have been sourced from any one of several companies. The only true SQ front loaders were known as "Super Load" or "Super Mate" washers. These were big, boxy machines with the mesh covering the undercarriage access, stainless steel tub with only 2 lifter vanes. One wash, one spray rinse, 2 deep rinses. Many are still in service and owners love these machines. Once they discontinued these washers, SQ sourced washers from Continental, Primus and Dexter before settling on Unimac. Shortly after contracting with Unimac, SQ merged with Unimac and Huebsch to form Alliance Laundry Systems. The current SQ line is still Unimac based. Unimac/SQ recently introduced a softmount, hi-extract line of commercial washers that they are sourceing from Ipso. SQ tops and the Horizon line have always been their own design. When Amana was sold off to Goodman at about the same time that Alliance Laundry Systems was formed, while the TL machines are very similar under the hood, they are different and diverged further as time went on. |
Post# 77637 , Reply# 6   8/11/2005 at 13:05 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 77638 , Reply# 7   8/11/2005 at 13:05 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 77641 , Reply# 8   8/11/2005 at 13:06 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 77642 , Reply# 9   8/11/2005 at 13:07 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 77644 , Reply# 10   8/11/2005 at 13:09 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 77645 , Reply# 11   8/11/2005 at 13:10 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 77646 , Reply# 12   8/11/2005 at 13:11 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 77647 , Reply# 13   8/11/2005 at 13:19 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Commercial machines- Gas buner at the top. Lint filter & huge compartment below tumbler. These dry a full-sized load in 30+/- minutes. These dyers have a heat input of 60,000+/- BTU/hr, as opposed to 22,000+/- Btu/Hr that is normally seen in a domestic Amercian gas-fired dryer. (Don't even as for KW I have NO IDEA!) 60k BTU-s is equivalent to four gas-stove burners and an oven on at once. 24k BTU-s is two surface burners on at once. Controls are (Top to Bottom:) "ON" pilot light Three position temperature rocker switch. "Start" button (as required by law)... on a home machine to prevent machine fromm re-starting on its own, should a child climb in and shut the door. Coin slide is ont he right slide. |
Post# 77648 , Reply# 14   8/11/2005 at 13:20 (6,804 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 77675 , Reply# 15   8/11/2005 at 16:44 (6,803 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas)   |   | |
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Ok Steve, are you appraising those buildings based on the building......or what is in its laundry room! |
Post# 77710 , Reply# 16   8/11/2005 at 20:07 (6,803 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Well, actually how much fun is this? Real conversation said to various superintendents ("New Yawk" for building manager). 1) How big is your unit? 2) I'll need to see it. 3) I'll need to photograph it. 4) What's the best way to get to it? 5) and if a mess- When was the last time it was maintained? 6) Take a seat? No, thank you. I can't while I'm working. One time I had a BOG (friend of Dorothy's) hugely corporate power-broker type busting out laughing. We had each other pegged in mili-seconds. It's a living..... |
Post# 80551 , Reply# 18   8/26/2005 at 23:58 (6,788 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Many urban areas already have one or more dealers of used/rebuilt units, so the eBay units would have to be a great deal to by pass them. Also buying commercial units sight unseen could be a disaster if one installed them in a "mat" and they turned out to be duds. Finally like many other large appliances, thems that wants are not always near to the items. Have seen many, many great commercial units on eBay, some MIB either languish or go for very low prices. IMHO this is because the item really has to have a local market. Crating,packing and shipping a 300 pound or more washer is not inexpensive, so even if the unit only cost $100, one will surely spend $600 or more to ship. Mind you, am still waiting for one of the older SQ "Commercial Homestyle" washers with heaters to pop up on eBay. But so far nothing! Launderesss |
Post# 80600 , Reply# 21   8/27/2005 at 14:16 (6,788 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Far as I know bearings on commercial front loaders can go ages before being replaced if ever during service. It is common for bearing to be changed during a refit such as when an older washer is being stripped/rebuilt/repaired before being sold as "used" laundry equipment. Will ask our local laundromat owner and see what his thoughts are. IIRC correctly much has to do with the type of bearings, how/if they are sealed and placment. Obviously a "cheap" FriGeMore unit which had bearings as part of the plastic outer drum assembly is not going to be the same as heavy duty commercial bearings which are sealed and separate. It has been explained to me that if bearings are of good quality and sealed against water/detergent getting in, they can go ages. Thing to keep in mind is that commercial front loaders especially laundromat units are designed to be easily serivced and if need be rebuilt. This is why one sees 30 year old or more Wascomat units still around, happily in service. Mind you they lack some of the bells and whistles of modern units, but they get the job done. If you ever take peek inside a commercial front loader, you will see they are VERY basic units. Built for the duration, but easily serviced and if one knows how, taken apart. Launderess |
Post# 83476 , Reply# 25   9/15/2005 at 22:52 (6,768 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Have peeped at the voltage for smaller units at the local laundromat from about 12lbs to 35lbs and they all run on 208v voltage. IIRC most SQ frontloader excpet the "Homestyle" light commercial models run on 208v power. There are however some smaller coin units which run on 110v power, however do not know if they are still in production. See the following link: CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK on eBay |
Post# 83479 , Reply# 26   9/15/2005 at 23:00 (6,768 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Most if not all commercial frontloaders, at least those recently built are designed for "easy front access". After all these units normally bolted down into concrete and have gravity drains, not to mention weigh in at about 300lbs more or less. In short they do not move very easily! *LOL* Also quite a few laundromat/commercial laundry owners like to do their own repairs (to save on costs and keep down time low), and easy front access makes repairs that much easier. Launderess |
Post# 83498 , Reply# 28   9/16/2005 at 07:48 (6,768 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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I have had that SQ Horizon machine in like on ebay, in my tenants unit for 5 years. She is a big washer, almost everyday. It has run and run without a problem for all that time! A real record when you consider I bought her a commercial Staber and spent EVERY OTHER WEEKEND under the thing trying to keep it going! I would not hesitate at all buying the home version as it has most of the same components. I must say I was shocked to see the low amount of water it uses! I saved a bundle but was worried my tenants would end up dirty looking or have rashes all over them! No such thing! Even the newborn has no rashes so the SQ really rinses out well but the clothes never look more than damp! One feature they really love is the roulette feature. You can program whatever sequence you like but I have it set to 1 out of every 139 washes will be FREE and the console will flash FREE when it comes up! They rush the laundry into the machine everytime that happens! |
Post# 83499 , Reply# 29   9/16/2005 at 07:49 (6,768 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 85997 , Reply# 31   9/29/2005 at 14:27 (6,755 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 86019 , Reply# 32   9/29/2005 at 16:46 (6,754 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 86024 , Reply# 33   9/29/2005 at 17:11 (6,754 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 86038 , Reply# 34   9/29/2005 at 19:14 (6,754 days old) by agiflow ()   |   | |
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Why doesn't the government just outlaw all TL's now. I mean that is the direction we are headed in, after all doesn't BIG BROTHER know best? |
Post# 86039 , Reply# 35   9/29/2005 at 19:20 (6,754 days old) by agiflow ()   |   | |
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Louis, the point is is that government has no business in the private lives of it's citizens. Least of all dictating which type of washer we will be forced to use in the future. Pat |
Post# 86119 , Reply# 37   9/30/2005 at 07:21 (6,754 days old) by westyslantfront ()   |   | |
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I too have heard about t/l/s disappearing...for now I will hold on to my t/l norgetag....it is not a bad machine at all |
Post# 86135 , Reply# 38   9/30/2005 at 09:42 (6,754 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 86354 , Reply# 40   10/1/2005 at 05:48 (6,753 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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well... Ida know fellas. The mandated removal of gas pilot-lights (from most appliances) in their design and manufacture. 1) Saved huge amoutns of natural gas 2) Enabled gas appliances, esp. stoves to evolve forward self-clean and sealed burners. 3) Makes stove much cleaner and healhier-- they are not polluting the inddor air when not in use. I know we all love our top-loaders and they are "home" no matter what happens. But the swich to a F/L is nto so major and an almost effortless way to save on water and chemicals. (DUCKS AND RUNS....) The saddest thing of all IMHO is that the change to F/L-ers has opened up the appliance mfg. market to foreigners.. and it appears to have been one of the last "all-American" industries. On the plus side, an Asian window A/C with a domestic brand badge is now less than $100. Back in 1975 they were around $250. Sadly also, the flimsy styrofoam n place of insulaed metal makes them MUCH queiter. Ditto Asian design type units with indoor cool-air discharge on right side of front, versus top of front. *SIGH* If you think that the gov't is getting involved in your personal affairs now, you should write to me and I'll tell you about propsed legislation that will BLOW you mind. |
Post# 86465 , Reply# 43   10/2/2005 at 00:13 (6,752 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Ttoo bad appliance manufacturers don't add a pusbutton sparker as seen on BBQs, rather than a glow plug or sparker. My 20 inch wide Avanti brand (Turkkish origin) gas stove uses a cliker to ignite. However ALL burners can be lit suring a vbalck-out. One simply holds in the oven/broiler for 15 ssonds until ignition is "proved". Similarly due to its design, the oven-burner flame increases bnd decreases in size as it did back in the days of Robershaw brand mechanical gas controls CLICK HERE TO GO TO toggleswitch's LINK |
Post# 86478 , Reply# 44   10/2/2005 at 06:37 (6,752 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Wood Stove is always ready at my house for ignition. But there is a very good point made here, pilot lights do have a purpose and electronic ignition is not energy free. Down at the Cape by the sea the air moisture is so great all summer long that the thermocouple in our Boiler has to be replaced every 2 years because it gets so wet sitting there it corrodes. NOW when Boilers had pilot lights the heat generated kept the thermocouple hot and dry all summer and it worked for 10 years at a time without replacement. I think we ALL HAVE To REDUCE our carbon emissions across the board and mandating that is necessary BUT in the case of Laundry as an example of individual choice I think it very important that the consumer have complete control over the cycles of the machine and still have clearly marked cycles that save energy. The energy star guidelines don't ever say the Consumer Must do this or that with their washer so we should have the OPTION to step off the Energy Star merry go round when doing things in our homes. Obviously I have issues with modern water usage in the new F/Loaders. Yes my Neptune does get things clean but I sometimes want alot of water exposure for my wash for various reasons and as a consumer I should not be prevented from having that option on the equipment I buy. A law is not a law if you can't enforce it and when I am down in my basement doing laundry you can't enforce that. Its like the first generation loflush toilets. Does anyone remember them? We all had to flush 2 & 3 times to get them to work which !DUH! used as much water as the older ones. Whenever I have contacted Energy Star all I have ever gotten from them is nonsense answers. It is staffed by the most appliance ignorant group I have ever talked too. They couldn't even tell me how they calculate drum size on front load washing machines!! |
Post# 86491 , Reply# 45   10/2/2005 at 08:57 (6,752 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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BTW=> Did anyone notice in my linky above that Avanti now offers a 20 Inch (50 cm) electric range with a smooth-top ("glass"/ceran)? Not sure abut elsewhere but that is news here... Also speaking of *non-standard* sizes with TOL features... Sears has a 24 inch wide (60cm) electric free-standing range/oven self-cleaner. |
Post# 86492 , Reply# 46   10/2/2005 at 09:01 (6,752 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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