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Post# 450998 , Reply# 1   7/21/2010 at 19:28 (4,999 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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Remember,Kmart owns Sears noow and I'm sure that , due too their ignorance and pride,the buyers there could care less about the relationship that spanned almost 100 years between Sears and Whirlpool. Again,the lowest bidder wins the deal as far as who makes what for Sears.Electrolux has been making their ranges for a while now and a few of their feeders in dishwashers.Even some of the refrigerators are made by Electrolux. LG and GE make some of the friges as well.I don't know why the relationship between Sears and Whirlpool has ended at a dead end but my thoughts stear towards saving money and mass production. I'm sure that the one good thing about this,if any, is that the service on the L.G. products will improve tremendously.I could be wrong about that but Sears has a fleat of service techs.
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Post# 451000 , Reply# 2   7/21/2010 at 19:53 (4,999 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 451045 , Reply# 3   7/21/2010 at 23:16 (4,999 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Consumer Reports just tested the LG 5101, and it ranked third amongst the tested top-loaders. It scored a 75, while the top-rated Whirlpool Cabrio 7600 had a score of 77.
Here's the lowdown: Washing Performance: Very Good Energy Efficiency: Very Good Water Efficiency: Excellent Capacity: Excellent Noise: Very Good Resistance to Vibration: Excellent Gentleness: Poor Cycle Length: 60 minutes Price: $1050 After watching videos of these impeller machines grinding away at a load, the gentleness score doesn't surprise me a bit. I wonder if the impeller design will endure, or if we'll look back and say, "Well, they were a valiant but failed attempt to keep the top-loading format viable." |
Post# 451435 , Reply# 6   7/23/2010 at 22:05 (4,997 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 451439 , Reply# 7   7/23/2010 at 22:48 (4,997 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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IIRC, problems come once one starts going about the rather puny (by American standards), of capacity found on units sold on the other side of the pond. However doing anything larger,say along the lines of 12-15 pounds (capacity of most American top loading washers), requires a rather substantial beast.
One major problem in terms of design is making sure something that large will remain stable, even with unbalanced loads. More so if the unit is to spin >800 rpms or >1000rpms. Top loading, or rather side loading H-axis washing machines are widely sold for commercial laundries in the United States, but they are *huge* and bolted into concrete foundations. Am also not sure they have the same final high speed extraction as true H-axis washers. At some point large capacity H-axis top loading washers move from a sideways tub to a long horizontal one. It just is easier to load and unload that way. |
Post# 451730 , Reply# 8   7/25/2010 at 05:19 (4,996 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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The capacity of the European H-axis toploaders is not much less than of the frontloaders here. An H-axis toploader in the same size as a traditional American toploader would probably be able to hold more laundry than the traditional one. Somehow Whirlpool is not willing to give them a try on the American market. Instead of that they keep pushing the impeller machines that seem to struggle with laundry a lot. I do keep wondering why Whirlpool doesn't bring one on the market, the concept does earn it to be put to the test.
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Post# 451731 , Reply# 9   7/25/2010 at 05:21 (4,996 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 451734 , Reply# 10   7/25/2010 at 05:35 (4,996 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Yes but, Americans already consider standard European front loaders of having small capacity. Especially when compared to the huge top loading (with agitators) washing machines we have now. Anything with a smaller capacity would be a tougher sell.
Trend for H-Axis washers sold in North America has been >12lbs capacity. Amercian housewives and others doing laundry simply by and large cling to the their old habits of saving washing for one day of the week, and thus need to get lots of it done quickly. Small Euro capacity washers means smaller loads done ideally once a day or so, something American housewives have made known loud and clear they have no time for such nonesense. As for Whirlpool; R&D costs being what they are, they probably figure Americans would accept something that looks more like the top loader they are used to, versus an H-Axis washer that loads from the top. |
Post# 451736 , Reply# 11   7/25/2010 at 06:54 (4,996 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Whirlpool has all the patents and the knowledge to bring an uber capacity H-axis machine on the market. Instead of doing that they invest in V-axis machines with impellers that will never do a job as good as an H-axis machine will do.
Here's a drawing of a patent Whirlpool has. I think it looks great and would do well on the American market. |
Post# 451781 , Reply# 13   7/25/2010 at 12:28 (4,995 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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The only 220V washer/dryer combo available in the USA was a Splendide IIRC.
As for the H-axis toploaders, I wasn't thinking combo. Yes, Equator's H-axis toploading machine was a combo, but most toploaders overhere are just washers. An American sized H-axis toploader combined with an American sized dryer would be an interesting addition to the American market I think. |
Post# 451786 , Reply# 14   7/25/2010 at 12:44 (4,995 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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But Louis, does not Miele still offer a combination washer-dryer to the European market? Thanks, Tom |
Post# 451819 , Reply# 15   7/25/2010 at 15:55 (4,995 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Yes Tom, they still have a frontloader washer/dryer combo. Actually two, a built in model and a freestanding one.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK |
Post# 451826 , Reply# 17   7/25/2010 at 16:36 (4,995 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I thought that LG had released a washer/dryer combo unit for US market recently. Is that true? Does anyone know the specifics about it? |
Post# 451827 , Reply# 18   7/25/2010 at 16:41 (4,995 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()   |   | |
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And it would be good for European market too to have machine like that again! Just like American way... |
Post# 451849 , Reply# 19   7/25/2010 at 17:03 (4,995 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 451853 , Reply# 20   7/25/2010 at 17:21 (4,995 days old) by coldspot ()   |   | |
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Here is the lg washer/dry's CLICK HERE TO GO TO coldspot's LINK |
Post# 451854 , Reply# 21   7/25/2010 at 17:23 (4,995 days old) by coldspot ()   |   | |
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Also here CLICK HERE TO GO TO coldspot's LINK |
Post# 451943 , Reply# 22   7/25/2010 at 22:05 (4,995 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 453681 , Reply# 23   8/2/2010 at 05:57 (4,988 days old) by jaxsunst ()   |   | |
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A friend bought a condo that had a LG combo. He loves it, but he's single, sends most things to the cleaners and only runs one, maybe two loads a week. |
Post# 454427 , Reply# 24   8/4/2010 at 08:20 (4,985 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )   |   | |
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Mom loves her G.E. harmony she raves about still after years of having it.Its not the towel shredder,Norge 20 pound she bought before I was born.That washer was the hardest washer on clothes but that thing lasted till a family of 5 was grown and gone.That washer with that huge stra8 Vain agitator that would throw up water and lint I will never forget.It also had a blue thing that would fit on top of that agitator but Mom never used that.I don't see her using the clothes shaver now she used it all the time with the Norge.. The G.E. Adora front loader was the worst machine I have ever seen it couldn't clean even on the longest setting.So threw it it the truck and made a scene at lowes and came home with the harmony/L.g. not one thing has broke on it. That Video don't show the G.e. washing but for a min so your not seeing what it does the other 50% of the wash time.It spins out with the water in it and pulls the water through the clothes.This Harmony is a lot more gentle on clothes than the Norge but I would love to still have that old machine.They seem kinda rare to me..
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