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Post# 448690 7/12/2010 at 15:50 (5,033 days old) by ricky5050  (Durham Britain) |
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Hi there,
A short while ago i bought a Vintage Electrolux Dishmaid from Ebay. This was their first dishwasher and is semi automatic. It was from the south of England where they were initially launched. This area has very hard water and this machine was full of limescale, so much so it smelt like a cement mixer! I started to dimantle it before i took "before" photos so this one is the after one, but i do have befores of the dismantled but not cleaned bits. This machine is an aluminum circular cabinet with a sliding door. A motor is suspended in the top of the cabinet and by the means of a drive shaft a small pump turns in the sump of the cabinet. The drive shaft also turns a mechanical device to firstly turn a turntable on which a dual layer rack system turns, and because the pump is tiny a hit and miss valve turns as well directing water through one of the 5 tubes that go along the bottom and side of cabinet.The dishes ride around through a wall of water rather than the water washing around the dishes. A manual fill system from the hot tap (no heater) and manual drain system allows the correct amount of water to enter. A simple on/off switch controls the motor. Heres the what it looks like Richard 
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Post# 448691 , Reply# 1 7/12/2010 at 15:51 (5,033 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Post# 448692 , Reply# 2 7/12/2010 at 15:52 (5,033 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Post# 448698 , Reply# 7 7/12/2010 at 16:05 (5,033 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Post# 448699 , Reply# 8 7/12/2010 at 16:07 (5,033 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Post# 448704 , Reply# 9 7/12/2010 at 16:21 (5,033 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Post# 448707 , Reply# 11 7/12/2010 at 16:27 (5,033 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Post# 448710 , Reply# 12 7/12/2010 at 16:36 (5,033 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Now then i need your help!
Well after switching on the machine it all ran well for a moment or two the a huge bang with the sound of electricity and it stopped. I think it is the capacitor that has blown.
Does any one know where to get one , here are the numbers on it i know nothing of these! Elux 104813 Hunts Capacitor Terminol Capacitor 2.1uF +/- 10% 380v AC WKG list no 2G747S Type I 551/1 WSW its has 838 on its bottom too. I have also replaced the drain valve and hose and bung elbows with bathroom fittings, it just need some rubber edging for the doors as this had coroded. I have the instuction manual and some videos of the spray system working with a cordless drill which i will up load later Thanks for looking Richard | ||
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Post# 448718 , Reply# 13 7/12/2010 at 16:56 (5,033 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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I hope you are able to get that machine up and running again. Looks very kool. | ||
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Post# 448725 , Reply# 14 7/12/2010 at 17:15 (5,033 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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1st video
Hi i tried the spray system in the bath with a cordless drill its not as powerfull i think as the motor , you can see the cog rotating which would turn the rack and towards the end you can see water coming out of the pipe set apart from the 4 longer ones
Richard CLICK HERE TO GO TO ricky5050's LINK | ||
| Post# 448836 , Reply# 15 7/13/2010 at 01:51 (5,033 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
Motor Capacitor
Hello Ricki
this will do the job for you: Lovely machine I hope it gets sorted. I see we both use the same electric kettle :-) CLICK HERE TO GO TO electron1100's LINK on eBay | ||
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Post# 448852 , Reply# 17 7/13/2010 at 07:19 (5,033 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Thanks | ||
| Post# 448885 , Reply# 19 7/13/2010 at 09:58 (5,032 days old) by A440 () | ||
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What an awesome looking dishwasher! Great job getting it all cleaned up! I hope you can find out what the issues are. Thanks for the pictures and video. Brent | ||
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Post# 448955 , Reply# 20 7/13/2010 at 14:45 (5,032 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Thanks
Hi thanks Gary i contacted the ebayer and he agrees thats a great match and made by AEG too so maybe a bit more reliable than the Hunts one so its bought and paid for.
Simon Hi yes the Bendix lower wash arm mounting fractured and then the door handle broke so it became a krypton factor to open and use it and keep on gluing it.I bought a BEKO as it was cheap but i have to say its very good , amazing quick 30 min wash that cleans very well., but i look forward to getting the dishmaid up and running for quick loads etc. The plug on the kettle came with it i suspect who ever bought it new probably swapped it from their old kettle , perhaps it being a non automatic one and with some vintage sockets not being switched this plug has a built in switch on the top. Its just a guess but it may be true. Thanks Brent i will try and get more vids and some scans of the brochure. Richard Ps second vid showing basket CLICK HERE TO GO TO ricky5050's LINK | ||
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Post# 448963 , Reply# 21 7/13/2010 at 15:28 (5,032 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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last video
here is my last vid in the bath! the racks stick a bit because its not balanced without being in the cabinet, i hope it will work ok when its up and running again.
Richard CLICK HERE TO GO TO ricky5050's LINK | ||
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Post# 448971 , Reply# 22 7/13/2010 at 16:14 (5,032 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Electrolux news Spring 1961 | ||
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Post# 448972 , Reply# 23 7/13/2010 at 16:17 (5,032 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Post# 449057 , Reply# 24 7/13/2010 at 23:25 (5,032 days old) by appliancelou (Lyndhurst New Jersey) |
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great find | ||
| Post# 449068 , Reply# 25 7/14/2010 at 02:36 (5,032 days old) by keymatic (London / UK) | ||
Hey Richard,
Congrats on the "Dishmaid"...fantastic looking, a friend of mine has one, of which he uses it quite a lot. The cleaning power is ok, but not over great, but still funky unit. Following your recent posting of the "Electrolux News" does this artical have and reference to a twin tub that Electrolux launched in the early 60's called a "Lec-matic" ??? Cheers Keith | ||
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Post# 449192 , Reply# 26 7/14/2010 at 14:49 (5,031 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Post# 449196 , Reply# 27 7/14/2010 at 15:13 (5,031 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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LuxMaid
Great find there Richard, never seen them over here, only in the consumer mags!!! Do you have a pic of how big the motor is and where the capacitor sits etc??
How are the seals??, have tried using a smearing of transluscent mastic on some old stuff and it seams to work rather them break up any sooner!! i`m sure there must be a firm that makes all beading seals like this, we just need to find them!! What is the knob on the bottom for?? Cheers, Mike | ||
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Post# 449472 , Reply# 28 7/15/2010 at 13:51 (5,030 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Hi Mike
Hi
I was hoping to up load the instruction book but when i scanned it in it was too big. Its a simple description of how it works. The rubber seals are fine, The one around its waist is more like a bumper and only covers the join in the cabinet but is not needed for water. The opening edges did have rubber seals but these were well beyond saving but they again are not really needed for water tightness. I will order some replacements from the link below i have had things from them before. they only come in black but it will finish off the edges. The only things that needed replacement was the drain elbow and bung. it was designed so the drain pipe could be to the left or right by swapping a bung for the drain elbow. I used toilet blanking discs and elbows to replace these. I dont have any photos of the motor but its tiny smaller than a vacuum ! The knob on the bottom slides left or right and opens and closes the drain valve. You basically connect a hose to the hot tap which goes in to the back of the machine directly into the sump. To use you turn on the hot tap , switch on the motor and leave the drain open, after a minute the hot water has warmed the dishes and pre rinsed any dirt down the drain. keeping the hot water on you close the drain and when it starts to trickle out of the over flow pipe down the drain you know its at the right level. switch off the tap , sprinkle powder in the opening in the door and let it run for 5 or so minutes. To rinse do the same with the drain open for a minute or 2 and squirt in some rinse aid and run it a minute and switch off machine water and open drain. Here hoping it will go! Richard CLICK HERE TO GO TO ricky5050's LINK | ||
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Post# 449822 , Reply# 29 7/16/2010 at 15:38 (5,029 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Bang!
Well i got the new capacitor today and after fitting it i tried the machine, it ran again for about 10 seconds then ke bang! exactly the same as before.
Do capacitors look damaged if the y have blown up , both the old and new look ok but as it only re started with the new one im guessing the old one was faulty , but now thinking that something in the motor is causing them to blow. Any ideas guys? I'm wondering if there is a starter circuit in the motor that is perhaps jamming open, i know little about motors but if anyone in the UK know a good place where i can get motors repaired ill look in to it. ah well Richard | ||
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Post# 450242 , Reply# 32 7/18/2010 at 15:39 (5,027 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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thanks Simon and Rolls
The machine was dry and empty each time and it doesnt really matter if it was or not, the design means the motor sits in the top of the cabinet in the silver container shown behind the blue plate in the loaded up pictures. it sits in a plastic container suspended by bakelite so it not connected to any metal parts of the machine, it doesnt have any earth wiring. The drive shaft goes down the centre to the mechanical pump and is connected via a plastic cooling fan so again anything metal or wet cannot touch the motor. This is why i think it will live long when working as there are no pump seals etc that can fail that would damage the motor.
both capacitors look fine and the has been no smell so unsure whats going on ill remove the motor and take photos and see if i can see any problem. Cheers Richard | ||
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Post# 450245 , Reply# 33 7/18/2010 at 15:46 (5,027 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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oops
Simon i forgot to say you cannot start up the motor by turning the rack, its designed to free wheel to load up plates, plus the mechanical cog bits dont turn only from the motor shaft due to the gearing but thanks for thinking about. I have not poked a meter at it as i wouldnt have a clue what to do and probably make a loud bang myself!
Richard | ||
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