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Question: Steam in a washer, something useful or just marketing hype?
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Post# 455670   8/9/2010 at 13:57 (4,980 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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Is there any actual benifit to having steam in a washing machine or is it just marketing hype to sell a more expensive machine?

Yes I can totally see the benifit of having steam in a dryer, but in a washer? It seems like a total and complete waste to me, because I don't see how steam can be of any benifit in cleaning clothes (beyond) those already completely soaked in hot water and detergent.

Please discuss....

Thanks!
Kevin






Post# 455672 , Reply# 1   8/9/2010 at 14:05 (4,980 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Kevin-I own an LG 9kg steam washer. All I can say is Steam is Awesome! Steam molecules are 1600times smaller than water, so they penetrate deep and loosen stains and kill allergens. I use it all the time on my 2 babies tough food,sick, the other stuff! stained clotheS! It really does work. I am upgrading to the LG 11kg steam when it finally comes out in black and we have moved house. I can be patient with my already awesome LG in the meantime.

The difference between LG steam and others is the LG has a dedicated steam generator. Many other machines merely fill enough to cover the wash element and steam at the end of a cycle.

The Steam refresh for removing odours and creases is a 20minute cycle. I don't iron. I usually wash things according to their label and hang them up immediately and I have no problems. Whilst if something is odour tainted i think it's enough for warrant a wash. But i experiemented by washing my sons coat which had been left in a smokey room and amazingly...it was gone. That was just an experiment and I would generally wash things like that.

So....I am all for steam. I won't buy another machine without it. I have owned ALOT of machines and my LG is probably my favourite.

Darren


Post# 455683 , Reply# 2   8/9/2010 at 14:50 (4,980 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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Thanks for your comments Darren. Question: I assume so, but have you washed the same items (like your childrens clothes) without the steam option to compare or have you always washed them with the steam option?

I guess I don't see how the steam can displace the water already in/on the cloths to make that much of a differene.

I do actually have a steam washer, a TOL Kenmore Elite HE5T, one of the last Whirlpool built machines (see the link below). The main reason I bought it was I got a 65% discount off the price! Anyway, I've only used the steam option a few times and don't see a diffetence. Granted my cloths don't get as dirty as your childrens clothes do.....

FYI, this washer also has a dedicated steam generator.

Kevin



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Post# 455687 , Reply# 3   8/9/2010 at 15:08 (4,980 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Steam For Laundering

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Is not a new concept. A Frenchman invented the process late in the 18th or early 19th century for cleaning linen textiles and general laundry work.

Soiled linen/laundry was inserted into a closed chamber where steam was introduced. Such items could have been soaped prior, and the idea was as alluded to above, properties of steam caused textile fibers to open and swell, releasing dirt/soils far easily and without all the rubbing, scrubbing and beating of common to the day laundry methods. Steam also helped santitise laundry and kill vermin.

Benefit of this method was one required vastly less water than the common methods of soaking, boiling and other immersion methods of laundering. After the steamed laundry came out of the chamber, it needed only a quick washing and then on to rinsing.

Today's steam washing machines again build on the theory that using water vapor lessens the need for soaking and with the rather puny amounts of water used in modern front loaders for washing, can give decent results.


Post# 455698 , Reply# 4   8/9/2010 at 16:14 (4,980 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Hey Kevin

Yea i've done experiments with an without steam. Whilst it is an outstanding machine without the steam, some of the boys foods stains are really difficult to shift. However a good scoop of just Ariel powder and the steam setting and all is clean! I kid you not! As Laundress said; steam allows for great water savings in the main wash. In my LG the action of the steam and the clothes rubbing together being showered by the recirculation jet is a winning combination.

Your kenmore is a stunning machine! How are you getting along with it? Do you have any photo's of it action?

The new LG's here have a smoked door. I'm looking to upgrade to the 11kg steam model next year which has a smoked door and i've inspected them closely in the stores here and don't think it will hinder my view to badly.

Darren



Post# 455836 , Reply# 5   8/10/2010 at 05:35 (4,979 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Consumer Reports found that cycles adding steam were able to do a better job on stain removal, but added they didn't feel it was enough of a difference to warrant spending more for a steam washer.

As Darren mentioned, LG washers (and dishwashers) have dedicated steam generators and probably do more to remove stains (or food residue) than some other washers, like the Frigidaire I have on order.

I wouldn't have another dishwasher without the steam option, as my LG does a better job on pots/pans with steam than without it. I'm looking forward to the option on my washer, even though I almost went an LG for its dedicated steam generator. I'll be interested to see if steam makes a difference in my Frigidaire washer.

I've also noticed that, at least in dishwashers, Maytag markets their steam feature as effective on glassware, whereas LG markets their more powerful steam option toward stripping grime from pots/pans.



Post# 455966 , Reply# 6   8/10/2010 at 14:19 (4,979 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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Launderess, thank you very much for the info and history! What kind of effect can steam have on a fabric, or the color of the fabric that’s not normally washed in hot water? In other words, can the use of steam cause fading or shrinkage on an item not normally subjected to higher temps during cleaning? Also, should the water temp be hot or can it be warm when using steam?

Darren, thank you! Yes I like the look of this washer too, especially in blue! I’m getting along with it fine and it seems to do a good job of cleaning, but the water lever is pretty skimpy. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t need or want the water level ½ way up the door glass, but I think another 1 to 3 gallons (3.8 L to 11.5 L) per fill would make things better.

I actually don’t like the smoked/tinted plastic over the door glass, for me it obscures the view too much. Oh sure I could sit or stand there with a flashlight or other light, but then I have to hold it and always use it. So what I did was remove the tinted plastic from the door. Yes it’s rather ugly now without it (because of the exposed door frame and hinge), but at least I can see! LOL Also no, I have not really tried taking any photos of it in action, but I suppose I can do that….but I’ll have to put the tinted piece back on first.

So I will have to play with the steam option more and see how things come out!

Eugene, thank you for the info as well. I sounds like it makes sense having steam in a dishwasher too, but I’ve not thought about it. Also I would guess the “steam” models are at the TOL end of things and thus, expensive. Maybe some day. LOL





Post# 455969 , Reply# 7   8/10/2010 at 14:30 (4,979 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

my dream machine is a whirlpool aqua steam washer aparently it can kill bacteria and dustmtes plus steam relaxes fibers so detergent can penitrate deeply i suffer with hay feiver so steem would be xelent for line dryed clothes:)

Post# 455979 , Reply# 8   8/10/2010 at 15:13 (4,979 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Hey Kevin!-I have not noticed any shrinking or fading caused by steam. I am very picky about fading and have seen no ill effect. Steam can get up to 99degrees (210.2F) at it's peak which it does in stages. I'm asthmatic and I find it particularly helpful on bedding. I wash most clothes at 30degrees (86F) with steam and get excellent results. I have also washed at incoming cold water temperature but I can't use steam on that option. The new 11kg I will be getting has a 20degree (68F) Temperature which you can use steam with.

Honestly. Give it a few goes and i'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprized. I hardly ever need to pretreat anything. Just the correct dosage of Ariel!

Yea I know what your saying about the extra water. I find my LG's medium water level and recirculation jet combined with high speed intermittent spins and up to 5 rinses give great rinsing.

Does your kenmore give you the option of extra rinses? How many does it do as standard? I have read many sources say that the number of rinses is more effective than increasing the water level. I used to be really scepticle of low water levels but they go work! The droppin action and rubbing together with a long rinse time give a good rinse.

Darren


Post# 456489 , Reply# 9   8/12/2010 at 13:52 (4,977 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
Extra rinses.......

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Hey Darren,

Yes my Kenmore does offer an extra rinse option and I always use it. I believe there are normally 2 rinses and this just adds a 3rd, but I'll have to check that.

It has another rinse option which is supposed to be for people who have skin sensitivities to detergent. I’m not exactly sure what is does or how it changes the rinses, all I know is it adds more time to the cycle.

Kevin


Post# 456515 , Reply# 10   8/12/2010 at 15:29 (4,977 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Hey Kevin.

Three rinses have been standard on european Front loaders for a ages. Older ones used to do 4 or 5! But the interm spins were either non existant or short. Some machines here have only 2 which are fairly deep with long interm spins! Every model apart from some hotpoint/indesit machines have an extra rinse option.

Perhaps your sensitive skin rinses are extended rinse phases with a small amount of extra water? The rinse is my favourite part of any cycle. You'll have to let me know if you find out :-)

Darren


Post# 456666 , Reply# 11   8/13/2010 at 06:20 (4,976 days old) by paulinroyton (B)        
Rinses

Hi Guys

On my Bosch Maxx 5 the Cotton cycle only has 2 rinses, you do have the option of an extra rinse. The rinse level on the Cotton cycle is very low.

However, you do have a seperate rinse programme where the machine fill with lots of water, half way up the door.

The only good side to my machine is, its very quick at washing. A 60c was on Cotton cycle takes about 58mins.

I have been sorting out some washer stuff and got a brochure on Hoover New Wave machines, anyone wants them, then they can have them.

Paul


Post# 456667 , Reply# 12   8/13/2010 at 06:41 (4,976 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Paul,

Let me know what postage arrangements and costs regarding the brochures and myself and paul will rehome them.

Cheers

Rob



Post# 456668 , Reply# 13   8/13/2010 at 06:44 (4,976 days old) by paulinroyton (B)        
Brochures

Bloody hell that was quick.

Will post them to you if you like. Give me your address, my email is paulinroyton@yahoo.co.uk.

Paul


Post# 456670 , Reply# 14   8/13/2010 at 06:55 (4,976 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Sent you an email,

:)


Post# 456676 , Reply# 15   8/13/2010 at 07:38 (4,976 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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I have the Maytag 5000 series with steam and the steam cycle does a fantastic job. Now to be honest I couldn't say it was the steam per se that does it, or if it's the longer cycle, or the stepped washing; or a combo of all.

I had a comforter that had the dark yellow stains where it rests under my chin at night. Having previously taken it to the laundry several times a year I could bleach the hell out of it, over suds it with tide and pretreat and the yellow only lightened.

I ran it through one cycle in the Maytag on Heavy Duty and a scoop of Oxi-clean. The stain was gone.


Post# 457325 , Reply# 16   8/16/2010 at 16:55 (4,973 days old) by paulinroyton (B)        
Brochures

Hi Rob,

Have they arrived yet?. Been on to Post Office in Royton. They said it takes a couple of days due to the size of envelope.

Let me know when they arrive.

Cheers

Paul


Post# 457462 , Reply# 17   8/17/2010 at 10:44 (4,972 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
@newwave

Re: number of rinses, on my Frigidaire 2140 (a division of Electrolux), there are two rinses (with spins after each rinse) standard on the Heavy, Normal, and Perm Press cycles. (perm press has a brief final spin to minimise wrinkling, but then these fabrics don't absorb water like heavy cottons). You can add a third rinse with the "Extra Rinse" button.

I have limited amounts of German (Henkel) Persil, or Unilever Persil (Persil in UK, Via in Sweden) brought back from European visits. My "perm press" loads are my work clothes, which are "office casual" wrinkle-resistant 100% cotton trousers and shirts from LL Bean. (www.llbean.com...). On these, I use my limited supply of European detergent. Such loads dried on a Perm Press cycle (starts out warm, then cools to ambient temperature before end of cycle), if hung up immediately, look as if they have been professionally laundered and ironed. I am frequently asked for the name of my cleaners, with people assuming that these clothes have received professional treatment.

For loads of sturdy cottons, bedding, and towels, I use the one readily available US powder properly formulated ("HE") for front loaders, which is Tide HE. I use 45 ml per full load and I still have a small patch of suds on the door when finished, so it appears that even three rinses aren't enough to rinse away all soap residue. There are never any suds left when using European detergents listed above.

Launderess has posted here (in a different thread) that she suspects the "HE" detergents sold here are not really reformulated. Most likely a suds suppressant is added to avoid oversudsing. FL sales are now about 50% of all new washer sales, but if you consider all the TLs still out there in homes across the country, FLs are far from 50% of all machines IN USE in the country. So with TLs still dominating the market in terms of detergent needs, there is little incentive to rework the formula.

Some of the other brands marked "HE" here, including those sold by Sear (Ultra Plus) and Kirkland, use the "HE" logo on the box but also state that the product is made for use "in all machines", the only difference being they recommend using less in FL than TL. Yeah, right, why use a product that is designed to work in higher-sudsing TLs. Looks like the only reformulation was at the printer's where the box was printed!! I know that some folks here have posted good FL results with Sears Ultra Plus HE powder, but I am reticent when the box states that it is "for all machines".

If Proctor and Gamble ever brought Ariel to the USA, Tide's share of the FL market would be wiped out in weeks or months. One can buy Germal (Henkel) Persil here, but it is sold only via Miele dealers. Miele excercises strict price control on its dealers. Anyone caught discounting prices will lose their license to sell Miele. A medium box of Persil powder runs about $45. Granted, the box will last a long time at 30 ml per load, but that's still a lot of money.

PS: Darren, it's a long, complex story, but in a nutshell, Electrolux licensed a US company to make vacuum cleaners in the USA from between the World Wars. Part of the agreement was that the US vacuum company had exclusive right to the use of the name "Electrolux" in the USA, and on my first trip to Sweden in 1975, I was amazed to discover they made far more than vacuum cleaners. ;) Frigidaire had been a quality brand when it was part of General Motors. GM spun off the division in 1960-70s and it became sort of a ho-hum, also-ran brand. Electrolux bought the company in c.1986 as a way to begin selling their products in the USA by using an old and trusted name, if not as "Electrolux". Later the US vacuum company went out of business and Electrolux bought back the right to use their name in the US. Frigidaire now sells MOL consumer products with Electrolux being more TOL.

To some degree, Frigidaire has become a conduit for the "Europeanisation" of consumer appliances. Example: convection cooking is commonplace in Europe and has been around for decades. In the US, it's been around for years, but usually only on TOL models and brands, in the past found only on "professional" brands like Thermador, Viking, Wolf, etc.

When it was time to give my old BOL range (new with the house in 1988) the heave-ho, my options were limited: behind the range was a gas line plus a 120V outlet. 240V could not be installed without ripping out some walls and cabinets. The architect who designed the house assumed that any upgrade would simply be a better gas range. The controls and lights can operate on 120V power, since gas supplies the cooking heat.

At that time (2001), most convection ranges in USA were electric and needed 240V. Excluding the $5000 professional ranges (Wolf, Viking, Thermador, Dacor, etc.), only four companies in USA offered a gas convection range in their "normal consumer" (non-professional) product lines: KitchenAid, GE, Jenn-Air, and Frigidaire. The first three companies charged an extra $300-400 (above their similar range without convection), while Frigidaire charged $100 extra. The result was a price of $700 instead of $1400-1500 (yes, $1450 for a GE with convection, and we're talking in white or black, not stainless steel). The KA or Jenn-Air might have been worth it, the GE looked clunky and ugly, and the Frigidaire looked sleekest of them all, for 100s less. (note, these were free-standing gas ranges, not the higher-priced slide-in, no-backsplash, counter depth ranges which often cost more than freestanding with similar features).

The range I bought has been upgraded to a model with a fifth burner, higher BTU outputs, and grates that span all the way across the cooking surface. My range has one high output burner, but the current model has two, which are 16K instead of my 12K. Both have a low output simmer burner. It sells with either simple convection (just a fan) or heated convection (wrap-around heating element around the fan) which are priced about $50 apart. The current price is about $800-900, still quite moderate when compared to the competition. One of the best features are the dishwasher-safe grates, so the cooktop still looks brand new. Cast iron grates of course must be cleaned by hand, so porcelain-coated grates that are DW-safe are a big plus.

I think their (Electrolux) philosophy was that advanced features found in Europe need not be restricted to TOL models, and that you'll sell more if you cater to the MOL consumer who wants some upgrades at reasonable cost. Today, nearly all MOL-TOL companies offer gas convection ranges, but back in 2001, only four did.

I think the same philosophy helped Bosch gain DW market share here. I used to think of them as a company whose dishwashers started at $1000 and up. So I was surprised to learn, when my old GE POS needed replacement, that US prices started at $500 (in 2001) and that the Integra Design (controls in door rim, plain metal front) began at $600. Bosch could see that the market for $1000+ dishwashers would always be limited, but that people willing to pay $500-800 were a much larger market segment, one that was pretty much the exclusive province of KitchenAid for years. So if they offered machines with fewer features but the same build/operational quality, they could capture some of KA's market segment, and it appears they have achieved this goal.

PS: the Frigidaire range continues to give excellent service in its ninth year of use. Oven remains properly calibrated. Like any gas range, the heat is vented into the kitchen, but it would be rare to have the oven on for more than two hours, so this rarely becomes an issue.


Post# 796244 , Reply# 18   11/27/2014 at 16:39 (3,409 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
lg tromm steam washer

I have used the steam feature on my mom's lg washer with a load of whites. In my dad's GE, he soaks the whites. In my mom's lg tromm, I don't need to soak my whites anymore.

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Post# 796253 , Reply# 19   11/27/2014 at 17:03 (3,409 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        
Depends how the steam is made...

If its from a generator and pumped in at the top of the drum, steam rises, so not going to really go anywhere, and it'll soon condense as the drum is cooler anyway. (LG/Miele technique)

However if there's not a generator, and its the bottom of the tub that fills with water to just below the drum, and the internal heater heats up to boiling to create the steam. The steam rises through the clothes, and actually can loosen stains before washing, refresh clothes, remove creases, or help with allergy removal/hygiene. (Hotpoint/Electrolux technique). Personally I think this method is better, but anyway, a pre-wash or a high tempo wash can do just as good.


Post# 796261 , Reply# 20   11/27/2014 at 17:41 (3,409 days old) by Imperial70 (MA USA)        

I have the GE Profile PFWS4600LWW with steam assist and steam refresh. I actually got this machine for the sanitize wash (NSF 160 degrees F....)
I use the steam for stain/ordor removal as well as taking out wrinkles.
It has the nozzel at the top but the steam really penetrates the clothes as they come to the top. The basket fills with steam. The condensation process doesn't seem to impact the performance.

So I say yes to a steam washer. Works great. There are still some PFWS4600's out there on clearance at Home Depot.



Post# 796469 , Reply# 21   11/29/2014 at 12:45 (3,407 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
Electrolux 60 steam washer update

There are three options for extra stain removal in this machine. One is Prewash. The second is Stain Removal. One of them involves starting with cool water and heating it to warm/hot; can't remember if that's prewash or stain removal. Anyway, third option is Add Steam. I"ve tried all three on my work clothing (100% cotton/no wrinkle fabrics from LL Bean) and find that the Add Steam option works best. The only issue I have wherein this washer (and the Frig 2140 that preceded it) are underarm stains. Most of the time not an issue because I wear white shirts only for dressy occasions. At work either a solid pastel or darker shirt, or else tattersall or university stripe where you can't see the stains due to the pattern.

Anyway, I opted for Add Steam as part of the Normal cycle. It adds about 15 minutes to the cycle. It does the best job of the three options, plus it likely uses less water because it's steam rather than a prewash. I am starting to avoid prewash for another reason. I tend to add several tbsps of borax to my wash detergent to aid in rinsing. Last time I used prewash, I found that some of the borax caked in the dispenser and wasn't carried down into the wash drum. My guess is that the prewash water must have moistened the powder in the main wash compartment, to where the water running through the dispenser couldn't move the powder out of the dispenser. So I think I'll be moving more in the direction of Add Steam when there are tough stains, rather than prewash (unless it's something you know has to be soaked in cold water, such as blood stains).


Post# 799192 , Reply# 22   12/15/2014 at 10:30 (3,391 days old) by nickers ()        

I think steam is worthless in a dryer, but useful in a FL washer. Not only for some additional cleaning of fabric, but also for keeping the outer drum clean. My concern is if I can descale my LG steam generator. Does it use line water, or water from the sump?

If the feed for the heating element is from the hot water input, I have no way to introduce an acid. If the steam generator takes water from the sump, I'll just run some citric acid.

I do have a steam dryer too. I have no reason to descale that unit.


Post# 799198 , Reply# 23   12/15/2014 at 11:41 (3,391 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
steam is worthless in a dryer?

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I think steam has of more benefit in the dryer than the washer.   Specifically if you have wrinkled clothes and you want "unwrinkle" quickly.   I assume it would be easier to toss in the dryer for a quick 20 minute "steam cycle".   It's easier than ironing!

 

As for which "water" the steam generator uses, think about it.   If it used water recycled from the from the washer sump, the steam generator would so screwed up so fast, the company would have tons of warranty service calls due to non-working steam generators (if the customer even noticed it wasn't working, that is.   So it uses fresh water (cold) for the steam generator.   The dryer is the same, some require a water connection, others have a reservoir that must be refilled.

 

Kevin

 


Post# 799200 , Reply# 24   12/15/2014 at 12:24 (3,391 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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The TSG (Turbo Steam Generator) on older LG washers is can be removed. Newer LG washers create "steam" by simply heating the water underneath the drum.


Post# 799240 , Reply# 25   12/15/2014 at 15:42 (3,391 days old) by nickers ()        

I've researched and found the wash water on the LG steam cycle peaks at about 140F . They don't get "truesteam" from 140F.

But if the machine is boiling a portion of the wash water, that's good. That means I can descale the heating element simply by acidifying the wash water during a tub clean. I also now know I can guarantee a hot wash (as opposed to the 'hot' water setting that only produces warm bath water) by pressing the steam button.

I like the way my LG front loader cleans clothes. I just wish I didn't have to decode how it works.


Post# 799274 , Reply# 26   12/15/2014 at 18:12 (3,391 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
boiling a portion of the wash water

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If your machine says TrueSteam, it probably has a dedicated steam generator outside of the tub. The current models went from TrueSteam to just Steam. Is there a yellow nozzle at the 12 o'clock position on the gasket?

 


Post# 799425 , Reply# 27   12/16/2014 at 15:34 (3,390 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

 When steam is being used do the clothes tumble or do they sit still? Wouldn't a 190F or 170F degree wash clean as well as steam?  


Post# 799457 , Reply# 28   12/16/2014 at 18:59 (3,390 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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They tumble. When you forward this video to about 19 minutes in, you can still see some dry spots on the clothes. Not sure what this is supposed to do when there's not even water ( -> detergent) on the clothes.

 





Post# 799522 , Reply# 29   12/17/2014 at 01:56 (3,389 days old) by Newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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I bought myself an LG Steam 9kg 1400rpm machine as a gift to myself when my 2nd son was born. I can confirm it was excellent for stain removal without additional stain removers and was great for sanitising at 40degrees for items that couldn't be washed hotter.

Darren



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