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Post# 456968   8/14/2010 at 17:21 (4,996 days old) by Pedro (London)        

Hey guys, just asking for some advice here....My place of work has recently moved premises, laundry facilities at our old premises consisted of 2 JLA Large capacity commercial washers and 2 JLA Large capacity gas dryers, to be honest, although they could handle anything you threw at them, they were very unreliable machines, especially the dryers...anyways, i digress, our new premises is only temporary (18 months or so) whilst we have a rebuild done and the temp building has no 3-phase electricity, so, we have been supplied with 2 domestic washers and 2 domestic dryers.

Now, i have to try and attach the links...i'll start with the washers

Hotpoint Ultimas, we have accommodation for 27 people and my Boss is strict on laundry times so she has insisted that the Fast Wash is used regardless of what is being washed, 30 mins long, only 800rpm spin. I know and you all know this makes no sense when the machine is capable of 1600rpm and everything is going into a dryer afterwards but this is what she has insisted upon, she wants each resident to book a 2hr laundry time slot in which to wash and dry their laundry, this means Staff can keep track of what is being washed and the condition of the laundry room and machines...i keep trying to advise her otherwise without sounding like a nut-job, but it's hard to say to your Boss "I know better than you!"

The machines have done 2 loads each today,which was their maiden voyages, both residents washing so the Fast Wash rules were stuck to, when it comes to Staff washing bedding and towels we will use the longer cycles.

I've heard many bad things about Hotpoint but i have to say early impressions of the machines are promising, i am impressed, but, what is the genuine liklihood of these machines lasting 18 months-2 years being used several times a day? Any advice or info you guys can give having any experience of these machines would be greatly appreciated!

Also any questions you have, feel free! I'll try my best to get pics of our new laundry set up, i have to say, it looks good!! ;-)


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Post# 456970 , Reply# 1   8/14/2010 at 17:24 (4,996 days old) by Pedro (London)        
And now the dryers...

Hoover 8kg Condenser dryers...

Again, these machines have done 2 loads each today, after which the condenser tanks were full! The build quality seems quite good but again, i've heard many bad things about Hoover machines aswell so any info or advice you guys can give would be great.

Our laundry room now consists of a stretch of work surface, the washers each end with a double cupboard inbetween the two housing the plumbing and the dryers on top of the work surface, it looks good! But, being a Miele user i would've preferred to see some Little Giants in there instead ;-)


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Post# 457000 , Reply# 2   8/14/2010 at 20:06 (4,996 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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Is this lady out of her mind with the low spin speed for a load of laundry?
1200 should be the max for commercial use.
I guess she likes her electric bill being high since drying is taking much longer than needed......


Post# 457027 , Reply# 3   8/15/2010 at 03:33 (4,996 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Ultima Washing Machines

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Well its a very different setup to your previous machines, me thinks by the time this thread is ended you`ll have "Quite Interesting" opinions!!! Ultimas are the new workhorses of the Hotpoint laundry line, fastest selling and in volume.

I`m impressed with them and so far no issues, having used them myself, easy to use, wash times & programmes are easy to select & variable...if your residents are just doing "Personal Clothes" and not bedding, them the quick wash programmes may be fine, however your manager might change her mind if it was her own electricity bill she would have to pay, the 40d 1600rpm spin plus time saver and straight into a dryer could still be within the 2hr window..

The dryer will be an interesting one, constant back to back work of a low price condenser dryer in a warm environment, and probably not being emptied, cleaned,condenser flushed, will be a nightmare, I would seriously get her to up the spin or you will soon get backed up with drying times or having to replace them, vented would have been a much better choice!!

Look forward to hearing how they fare and seeing the pics!!!

p.s. am liking the look of the new Hoover Aqua dryers with the water container in the door, novel idea,



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Post# 457030 , Reply# 4   8/15/2010 at 06:43 (4,995 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        
Ultima

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My friend has a hotpoint ultima wmd940k to match his kitchen with black appliances. It is very good at performance and the programs have nice lengths and flexibility.

The cottons (coloreds) 40oc 1600 or 1400 max spin takes 1hour 25mins and approx. 1 hour 7mins with time saver.

The 60 mins time saver wash has a max spin of 1200 but if temp is reduced then it will take around 45 mins approx which is better than the 30mins wash plus has better spin.

Looking forward to hearing how you get on with them.

Thanks


Post# 457071 , Reply# 5   8/15/2010 at 11:34 (4,995 days old) by Pedro (London)        

I'm in work tonight so i'll get some pics, i'll also have a play around with the programming and Time Saver function to see if i can get a better spin result without going over the sacred 2hr time slot....*grumbles about his Boss*

Post# 457193 , Reply# 6   8/16/2010 at 02:40 (4,995 days old) by Pedro (London)        
Hmmm.....

I got into work last night at 19:30, the last wash is meant to be completed by 17:00 but there was a backlog of drying.... later on in the night i completed a load-approx 20 teatowels, 1 x pair of oven gloves and 4 dishcloths, washed on Cottons 90c, spun at 1600rpm...washed perfectly, put in the Hoover dryer and set it to 'Bone Dry'...left the machine to complete its cycle only to find the load rather damp still! I put it on a 45min cycle which finished them off.

It seems the dryers are going to cause problems...

Anyways, here's some pics i managed to get....


Post# 457194 , Reply# 7   8/16/2010 at 02:44 (4,995 days old) by Pedro (London)        
Close up of washer...

Pleasantly surprised with the build quality of the washers...

Post# 457196 , Reply# 8   8/16/2010 at 02:46 (4,995 days old) by Pedro (London)        
Washers

Both the washers....

Post# 457198 , Reply# 9   8/16/2010 at 02:48 (4,995 days old) by Pedro (London)        
Dryers

Close up of the dryers

Post# 457201 , Reply# 10   8/16/2010 at 02:51 (4,995 days old) by Pedro (London)        
Dryers

Close up of dryer controls...the 'Bone Dry' setting did NOT deliver!!

Post# 457202 , Reply# 11   8/16/2010 at 02:53 (4,995 days old) by Pedro (London)        
Washers

Close up of the washer controls...the hellish 'Fast Wash' selected :-(

Post# 457204 , Reply# 12   8/16/2010 at 02:54 (4,995 days old) by Pedro (London)        
Washers

The 8kg drum

Post# 457227 , Reply# 13   8/16/2010 at 05:22 (4,994 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        

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Hhhmmm, nice set-up, to get the best out of those dryers they need to be in a cold room, and filters cleaned after each dry, and the condenser unit flushed clean regularly, especially with all the moisture from the 800rpm spin..

How many loads had they done on that day??


Post# 457255 , Reply# 14   8/16/2010 at 11:03 (4,994 days old) by Pedro (London)        

They'd done 4 each in total. The condenser units are emptied after each cycle, as are the filters.

I had a play around with the cycles and if you select the 'Coloureds 40d' with Time Saver it should take 1hr13mins, it will spin at 1600rpm so the drying time should be much shorter so the laundry can still be completed within the 2hr slot...this is the theory anyway.

I totally agree about the room needing to be cold, however in our set up, the ceilings are very high and all there is is a tiny extractor fan in the ceiling, if you walk into the laundry room when both dryers are on it is like a sauna and i really don't think it is doing the machines any good. The door has to be locked at all times however as we can't have people going in and out as they please, that was the system in our old premises and if you could see the state that the heavy duty commercial machines ended up in due to an entirely careless client group using them, you'd understand why we can't let them near domestic machines without staff present.

We only moved premises on Friday so it is going to take a little while to find a system that works but i have mentioned the more appropriate cycles to my Boss and we'll just have to wait and see what she says, it's so frustrating but ultimately, it's out of my hands.


Post# 457327 , Reply# 15   8/16/2010 at 17:00 (4,994 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent)        
Not to be curious...

But where do you work ^^? I agree with you thinking that your Boss needs to review the cycles she wants to run. Why did they choose condenser unites? If they wanted a fast 'turnaround' in the laundry, they'd better choosen vented dryers, maybe vented trought the ceiling fan? Still spinning at 800rpm en wanting things to dry rather fast in a condensing unit is bit contradictory!

Post# 457397 , Reply# 16   8/17/2010 at 02:32 (4,994 days old) by Pedro (London)        

...I work in a hostel for homeless people. A varied mix of people each with their own issues in life which has lead them to be where they are today :-)

Post# 457405 , Reply# 17   8/17/2010 at 04:33 (4,993 days old) by Mr_Sparkle ()        

Pedro - If you want to get her to use a proper wash and spin, you could tell her that the fast 30 min wash is not sufficient enough to ensure the clothes / bedding is properly sanitized with you washing for a hostel.

Maybe that would make her listen to you?


Post# 457431 , Reply# 18   8/17/2010 at 08:49 (4,993 days old) by zodawash (Lincolnshire,United Kingdom)        
Hoover

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I had a Hoover condensor dryer. It did not dry the clothes well and broke several times in a few months. The condensor was quite small and the windows steamed up in my kitchen. Anyway, just got an AEG condensor dryer and boy does that work well. Drys the load in about an hour and the condensor is huge. Anyway, you really need to get your spin speeds upped or your gonna have a huge electric bill with 800 spins and worn out dryers before long. I guess if the Boss knows better that's up to her. personally i'd give her a slap lol

Post# 457446 , Reply# 19   8/17/2010 at 09:43 (4,993 days old) by Pedro (London)        

Mr Sparkle- When staff wash bedding and towels we will use the appropriate cycle (ie-hot and long) but residents never take it upon themselves to wash their own bedding. It is only their own clothes they will wash so the argument about things not being sanitsied on a Fast wash won't hold much sway (believe me, i've been there and had the discussion before, lol)

Zodawash- You're completely right about the dryers, i couldn't believe after washing a load of tea towels and putting them in the dryer, of which wasn't half full, after setting it to 'Bone dry' the towels were still considerably damp when it had finished, sometimes you have that moment where you check the laundry and think "Is it damp or is it just me imagining it is?" but there was no question these still needed a good 30mins or so more. Perhaps the quality of the sensors in the dryers is to blame? All i know is that when i walk in the door after work and see my Miele pair staring back at me in the utility room it makes me grateful for what i have, lol.


Post# 459031 , Reply# 20   8/25/2010 at 05:30 (4,985 days old) by nrones ()        
Hoover dryer

I don"t wanna talk about your boss... everything is obvious. Maybe it would be cool if they bought Hoover washer and Hotpoint dryer, as Hoover washer would have rapid 29 on40 deg. which is better washing and rinsing than hotties FW30.. also there would be A59 wash upto 60 with max spin available ;)

Hotpoint dryers are known for good drying, but their sensors aren"t fabulous too :/ I even used a Siemens sensor dry and sometimes on highest dry level, things were still abit damp.. Seems that time dry is the only 100% sure way ;) So, why don"t you put Hoover on 60, or 75 minutes, instead of using sensor? try that :D


Post# 459425 , Reply# 21   8/26/2010 at 22:04 (4,984 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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To be honest if you set the bone dry setting then technically the dryer should have just continued until it dryed them.

If it had finished because it thought the items were bone dry then that means there could be an issue with the sensor.

As its the sensor that decides the drying time and not the timer so it just continues until its dry even if the filter etc are dirty.


Post# 459427 , Reply# 22   8/26/2010 at 22:08 (4,984 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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In regards to using the correct wash program i would explain to your boss the knowledge you have on these machines and the fact the machines will wear out as well as excessive consumption of electric due to having to work harder to dry the clothes because of such a slow spin speed.


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