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Thread Number: 30252
Whirlpool with big square light up thingies |
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| Post# 458811 , Reply# 1 8/23/2010 at 22:23 (4,986 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 458814 , Reply# 2 8/23/2010 at 22:34 (4,986 days old) by weed30  (St. Louis, MO) |
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What do you mean by harsh? The agitator/spinning part? Does it "beat up" your clothes a bit? Thank you | ||
| Post# 458816 , Reply# 4 8/23/2010 at 22:40 (4,986 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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| Post# 458817 , Reply# 5 8/23/2010 at 22:43 (4,986 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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What do you mean by harsh? The agitator/spinning part? | ||
| Post# 458819 , Reply# 6 8/23/2010 at 22:50 (4,985 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
Ditto, Jed | ||
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Post# 458840 , Reply# 9 8/24/2010 at 05:36 (4,985 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Actually, Maytags of that period were far harsher on fabrics than the WP & KM machines and any agitator machine would be harder on fabrics when overloaded than when wisely loaded. | ||
| Post# 458841 , Reply# 10 8/24/2010 at 05:44 (4,985 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
I have no experience with older Whirlpool washers. (Oldest is late 60s.) But I'd bet almost any vintage machine would be easier on clothes than a modern, standard agitator top load Whirlpool. These newer machines have, ah, a bad reputation for clothes wear around these parts.
Many around here will say that an older washer will do a better job cleaning clothes. I can't say that, but I can say that within my limited experience, older machines have worked better for me. One huge plus for me is that they had good lint filters. This is not that big a deal for people who machine dry clothes, but for someone who air dries as much as possible (like me), a good washer lint filter is a wonderful thing to have. | ||
| Post# 458845 , Reply# 11 8/24/2010 at 06:17 (4,985 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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As for synthetic fabric care, keep in mind that the early era of automatic washers and dryers was also the period when synthetics were becoming popular. Furthermore, this was an era when our society wasn't so throw-away minded. Clothes represented more of an investment, not just a sale buy at Wal-Mart. Thus, any appliance maker in their right mind would have made sure that their product could safely wash and dry all but the most delicate miracle fabric of the day.
The one limitation I have seen are on entry-level machines which did generally have limited cycles. (At the most basic, only one cycle on the washer, and not much more on the dryer.) But that issue is one that you might still see today on the cheap recent entry level machines. But get much above rock bottom, and niceties like delicate cycles appear as if by magic. One other limit with older washers: they did tend to default to warm water rinses. This could vary based on model and cycle choice. Being cheap, I prefer cold water rinses. To get one easily, one can simply fill the machine with hot or warm water for the wash, and then flip the temperature control to "Cold." | ||
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Post# 458849 , Reply# 12 8/24/2010 at 06:45 (4,985 days old) by weed30 (St. Louis, MO) |
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Thanks to everyone for replying! This is most helpful. I really don't need these. I have 4 year old top of the line Kenmore Elites. But these are pink. And they have big light up thingies :) Anyone in Denver with a truck driving to St. Louis anytime soon?... | ||
| Post# 458852 , Reply# 13 8/24/2010 at 07:03 (4,985 days old) by christfr (st louis mo) | ||
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Post# 458855 , Reply# 14 8/24/2010 at 07:19 (4,985 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI ) |
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Post# 458864 , Reply# 16 8/24/2010 at 08:42 (4,985 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 458867 , Reply# 17 8/24/2010 at 09:05 (4,985 days old) by weed30 (St. Louis, MO) |
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I am checking on shipping quotes this morning. If prohibitive, I'll supply his phone # | ||
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Post# 458879 , Reply# 20 8/24/2010 at 10:18 (4,985 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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1964 WP MARK 12 WASHER&DRYER
This was the first WP washer to have a 3 speed motor. It is anything but harsh when used with a lick of sense. This is also the first WP to have the very effective Magic Clean lint filter. And it has the best wash & wear cycle ever on a top loading washer, it also has a cold wash button that can be pushed after the wash fill is completed to give a cold rinse on the normal cycle. Maytag never had such advanced washers & dryers this is why WP & KM dominated the laundry industry from WW2 on in this country and now WP is the largest laundry producer in the world. Even through out the 1960s and 1970s more consumers replaced thier WP or KM with another than owners of MT washers did.I was often amazed when someone had 20 or more good years of service out of thier MT washer how often they wouldn't buy another one.
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Post# 458882 , Reply# 21 8/24/2010 at 10:32 (4,985 days old) by jetaction (Minneapolis) |
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W&W | ||
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Post# 458884 , Reply# 22 8/24/2010 at 10:56 (4,985 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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WASH&WARE CYCLE
It cooled the wash load by draining roughly one half of the warm or hot wash water and then refilling with cold water and then repeating the process again. It did this while the clothes were floating in water and with out spinning the load at all. It then drained and went into a low speed [ aprox 330 RPMs ] spin then a cold rinse and a 4 minute low final spin. It really worked well when I used to use the 1959 LKMs wash & ware cycle and dried the clothes in our 1963 KM 70 dryer and hung up the shirts. I once remember my aunt Margaret seeing the laundry hanging in the basement laundry and wondering who did all the ironing. We were a family of 7 and there were a lot of mens shirts.
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| Post# 458886 , Reply# 23 8/24/2010 at 11:00 (4,985 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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As I remember they were priced as though made of unobtainium | ||
| Post# 458891 , Reply# 24 8/24/2010 at 11:52 (4,985 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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ah, the famous, fabulous double cooldown
Does anyone know when and for how long WP/KM added slow speed agitation during the refills of the double cooldown rinse.
My 77 WP has the cycle John describes--it occupies a huge space on the dial!-- but I once enjoyed the agitated version of the double cooldown on an early 70's Lady Kenmore for 2 years, living at the Fleckenschteen. To this day, it remains one of my most beloved washer moves. * Who's got the goods on this: when did it start, what models have it, and how long did it last. Thanks. *powerful spray rinsing and high speed suds-returns being the other two | ||
| Post# 458893 , Reply# 25 8/24/2010 at 12:01 (4,985 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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TO BE CLEAR | ||
| Post# 458923 , Reply# 26 8/24/2010 at 14:49 (4,985 days old) by retropia () | ||
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Wash 'n Wear I would also like to know what model years Kenmore and/or Whirlpool offered this cycle. Is it different from the Permanent Press cycle on our current Kenmore? Or are they different names for the same thing? | ||
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Post# 458939 , Reply# 27 8/24/2010 at 16:19 (4,985 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 As I recall, the original W-n-W cycle didn't agitate during the cool down. It half-drained and refilled with cold water two or three times (or as many times as it could during the allotted two? four? timer increments). Later when there were four timer increments for sure, the typical Whirlpool process was 1 - half-drain (to pressure switch reset), pause for remainder of the increment 2 - refill & agitate two mins 3 - repeat Step 1 4 - repeat Step 2 Kenmore had a version thusly: 1 - half-drain, then (instead of a pause) immediately begin refilling with low-speed agitate running at the same time for remainder of the increment 2 - stop agitating but continue filling (assuming the target water level hadn't been reached), then agitate two mins when the water level is satisfied 3 - repeat Step 1 4 - repeat Step 2 Whirlpool's separate Knit cycle also had a cool down period, one half-drain & refill/agitate. The Perm Press cycle was later reduced to one drain & refill/agitate instead of doing it twice. This is what direct-drive models have done as well. The latest direct-drive models may not have a separate cool down rinse for water saving considerations. | ||
| Post# 458943 , Reply# 28 8/24/2010 at 16:48 (4,985 days old) by washernoob () | ||
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Christian that is the Suzan B. Komen Brest cancer limited edition model of the Dyson Dc07. Its a neat vacuum and a different color. But not older then say around 10 years. | ||
| Post# 458949 , Reply# 29 8/24/2010 at 17:38 (4,985 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Post# 458962 , Reply# 30 8/24/2010 at 19:55 (4,985 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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My 66 Whirlpool with W-N-W cooled down 6 times, yes 6, it would fill and drain continuously, no agitation, then on to a slow spin and rinse, and final spin, after that I used Normal from then on......too much water
My 84 Supreme PermPress was better, at least the agitations were all high speed, all the way thru, no step-down, the spins were slow...... The Kenmore Limited 3 speed gave me the option for all high spins of the cycle.... I just never seen any improvement of using the PP cycle, of all the cycles there are, I always just seem to use Normal, and toss in the dryer for a few minutes to release any wrinkles of any given machine, the 2 options I always looked for was a longer wash and final spin time | ||
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Post# 459111 , Reply# 32 8/25/2010 at 11:53 (4,984 days old) by jetaction (Minneapolis) |
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W&W
Hey John, that is the same W&W cycle as my 59 800 Kenmore. I misunderstood your original post to mean that this did something no other cycle did. No I want to hook that baby up and wash some dress shirts! It is interesting how whirlpool/kenmore adapted the W&W cycle. Also, when and why did they move from W&W to P-Press?
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| Post# 459122 , Reply# 33 8/25/2010 at 12:19 (4,984 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Sensi | ||
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Post# 459484 , Reply# 35 8/27/2010 at 06:05 (4,982 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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WnW CYCLE NAME CHANGE | ||
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