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Post# 460804   9/2/2010 at 11:15 (4,974 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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This one turned up on Craigslist Montreal... I will hopefully go and see it tomorrow evening and priced at a mere $30, I may just nab it! The picture isn't that good, but I am going to guess it's a mid-70s model, made by WCI. Looks like a MOL machine - I will also guess the three pushbuttons are for Pots and Pans, Normal Wash, and Rinse and Hold cycles. According to the ad, it was gently used... We shall see!!




Post# 460912 , Reply# 1   9/2/2010 at 20:00 (4,974 days old) by 2dishwasher ()        

30 Bucks, Go for it! Whats there to loose?

Post# 460914 , Reply# 2   9/2/2010 at 20:08 (4,974 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
it would be worth the 30 bucks

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just to see how it operates, not to mention parts like the sink coupler. have fun!!

Post# 460924 , Reply# 3   9/2/2010 at 20:41 (4,974 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
$30 dollar white westinghouse dw

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Its worth a lot less than that, these were among the worst dishwashers ever made you must be really bored if you have time to go after one of those, although it might be worth it just for the laughs.

Post# 461079 , Reply# 4   9/3/2010 at 11:59 (4,973 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Well, Edsels have become highly collectible, no?? LOL
I am still interested in the machine mostly because Avocado is already starting to become a hard to find colour. That and the fact that I have a clear opportunity to snag a dishwasher while hubby is off at a conference in Alaska...


Post# 461082 , Reply# 5   9/3/2010 at 12:29 (4,973 days old) by bobofhollywood ()        
Beauty

. . . is in the eye of the beholder. I think it's a beauty and you should not hesitate to buy it. I would too if the opportunity presented itself to me. It's beautiful. Pay no attention to combo52. That's just his opinion - and a rather mean spirited and rude one at that.

Post# 461086 , Reply# 6   9/3/2010 at 12:48 (4,973 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Enjoy, Have Fun

They were very loud and had no filter. It was quite disappointing to see how a dishwasher that had been highly recommended right above the 15 KitchenAids could be turned into such a piece of junk. There was one in my condo. Inside it still looked sorta like a WH, but what they did with the pump and motor was sad. Thankfully, I had my KDS58.

Post# 461087 , Reply# 7   9/3/2010 at 12:50 (4,973 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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I think I am most interested in this machine because it looks SOOOO much like the Viking machines (they were rebadged Westinghouse models, anyway) that I fondly remember gaping at for hours in the old Eatons store in downtown Montreal...

Post# 461142 , Reply# 8   9/3/2010 at 19:11 (4,973 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
$30 dollar white westinghouse dw

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This looks to be the last dw that WH designed it was a disastrous attempt to make a machine that could compete with the cheap builder machines that GE was selling new home builders. I actually do think you should get it you will be amazed at the construction and all the short cuts they took in the design and building of this machine. I could go on for pages about this machine , the racks didn't even have wheels on them just plastic skids, but I must say it is historic and if I found a mint one I would probably get it for the museum. Bob of hollywood you may not make it through your probation period.

Post# 461158 , Reply# 9   9/3/2010 at 20:53 (4,973 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
badly rusted motor shaft

I found a 1978 westinghouse dishwasher at the dump in 1982
(only 4 yrs old!)and salvaged the pump/motor assembly to
examine and possibly use for other apps-when i checked it out
i found it leaked because rust had formed on the motor shaft
under the impeller and expanded,cracking the bakelite impeller.
The pump,driven by a 1/2hp,3000rpm shaded pole motor mounted
horizontal,was a lot like that of a GE dishwasher of the same
era.


Post# 461762 , Reply# 10   9/6/2010 at 21:19 (4,970 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Well, I got it!

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I had a pretty good idea that I would - I just had a feeling about this one. I saw it on Friday evening, making a detour into St-Leonard (east of Montreal) and through incredible traffic... The seller told me the machine belonged to his parents and had been used only on 'big special occaisons'. It was a little grimy on the outside and loading a dishwasher into a car oneself is a little awkward, BUT I got it down to Ogden! I spent the day Saturday working on setting the foundations for a new deck, so I only got to examine the machine on Sunday...

Post# 461763 , Reply# 11   9/6/2010 at 21:20 (4,970 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Cobweb city under the machine! The pump, hoses, and tub underside all looked good - no signs of leaks or rust!

Post# 461764 , Reply# 12   9/6/2010 at 21:21 (4,970 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
You can be sure....

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that this really IS a Westinghouse! It really must be one of the last ones before WCI gobbled them up.

Post# 461765 , Reply# 13   9/6/2010 at 21:23 (4,970 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Can't figure this out...

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I can't really understand what this insulated conduit leading from the pump is... There is an exhaust opening on the very bottom of the cabinet. Is this some kind of a moist air exhaust system??

Post# 461767 , Reply# 14   9/6/2010 at 21:24 (4,970 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Pristine tub and racks

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I don't use the word lightly but WOW! The inside of the machine is like new!

Post# 461768 , Reply# 15   9/6/2010 at 21:25 (4,970 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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I invested a couple of hours cleaning up the cabinet. Well worth it - the machine looks almost brand new!

Post# 461769 , Reply# 16   9/6/2010 at 21:27 (4,970 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Wash arm

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Here's a photo of the wash arm - there are side-facing rectangular jets at each end of the arm, with round jets in the top.

Post# 461770 , Reply# 17   9/6/2010 at 21:28 (4,970 days old) by A440 ()        

Looks very nice!
It looks to be in very good shape!
Happy you saved it.
Are you going to use it soon?
Brent


Post# 461771 , Reply# 18   9/6/2010 at 21:28 (4,970 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Wash tower

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Very much like the Viking (Westinghouse) top-loader I have. The spray tip is moulded, though.

Post# 461776 , Reply# 19   9/6/2010 at 21:33 (4,970 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Oh and did I mention it still works?

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Oh yay! The machine ran through its first 'bucket test' in fine style, so I hooked it up to a hose from the house for a full cycle test. It passed! LOL It is very quiet (there was a good amount of insulation I could see when the dishwasher was on its side). The Double Wash cycle took just over an hour. I did notice something odd, however... The pump continues to run during the dry phase of the cycle... Made me kinda wonder what that was all about - if anyone knows if this is normal or not, please let me know!
So, this (I guess) 70s Westinghouse got rolled to the back of the garage - I will find out if Hubby even notices it when he is back in two weeks... LOL


Post# 461778 , Reply# 20   9/6/2010 at 21:43 (4,970 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Westinghouse!

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The Westinghouse dishwashers I remember had a filter that went across the bottom. Is that missing or the way it is supposed to be? Can we get a view of the control panel?
Thanks
Peter


Post# 461785 , Reply# 21   9/6/2010 at 21:54 (4,970 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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'Glides instead of wheels on the racks' - John, that is exactly what this one has! I thought that was kindy chintzy too! I figured it might have been because this machine looks pretty close to BOL if not the BOL model.
Brent - Yep, I will try and get a test wash in before winter!
Pete - Didn't think to take pictures of the control panel, but I will do so next week. It's pretty simple - the 3 pushbuttons are for 'rinse and hold' and 'on' or 'off' for the Sanitizer option.


Post# 461789 , Reply# 22   9/6/2010 at 22:18 (4,970 days old) by bobofhollywood ()        
Gorgeous

I thought it was beautiful before but my opinion has escalated to gorgeous. I am so glad you got it. It's really unique. Good on ya, dude.

Post# 461793 , Reply# 23   9/6/2010 at 22:43 (4,970 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Didn't think to take pictures of the control panel

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Humph!! I cannot believe after all this time you didn't think about taking pictures of the control panel. How many times have you seen something like "and Bob, these closeups are for you" Gasp. A slap from the paw for that oversight!!! I gotta have my control panel shot fix! It's a drug for me!!

It looks beautiful. had a friend in an apartment that was about 1974 1975 vintage, noticed there were no rails or rollers, the racks just kinda glided. But I figured it was since it was a BOL Westinghouse. Harvest gold even.


Post# 461844 , Reply# 24   9/7/2010 at 07:12 (4,969 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
My bad...

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Bob, I will blame it on the epoxy fumes I was exposed to while repairing the 61 Whirlpool pump... LOL I promise that I will take more photos this coming weekend! This one of the many times that I wish the collection was actually IN Montreal...

Post# 461849 , Reply# 25   9/7/2010 at 07:29 (4,969 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

That insulated duct is to help the drying. That is why they ran the motor during dry to help make a slight draft through the tub.

Post# 461858 , Reply# 26   9/7/2010 at 09:03 (4,969 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
WH PORTABLE DW

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Hi Paul glad you got this unique dishwasher it diffidently wasn't used much, looking at the motor and pump really brings back memories I won't say what kind. The motor is supposed to run the whole cycle, that foam duct is to expel the moisture from the dishes and al the heat from the very inefficient main motor, you will also notice a soft black rubber tube running up the right side of the that connects to the blower housing. This tube is used to pull hot air out of the wash chamber and thus give the machine forced air drying. None of these DWs had wheels on the racks but yours actually has a detergent dispenser the builder models just had an open cup on the door with no lid it was divided in two sections and said 1 and 2 in the same open cup. That machine would go right into a 30 minute heated wash and then 5 rinses , the motor never shuts off, in fact most of these used a clothes dryer type timer that advances continuously and can be turned in both directions by the user. You may have the only surviving one of these out there, they also made high models of these but I don't think many were sold as it wouldn't compare well to just about any other machine at the time. Just the lack of wheels on the racks no filter and no upper wash arm for the top rack did it in for most buyers. It was sort of a shame as the last WH DW design with the rectangular filter had been such a good performer it was actually check rated in CRs along with a KDI-15 and a WP machine it still wasn't very durable however. One of my secretaries had three of these she bought the first because of CRs rating but the next two because she liked the local dealer and the fact she didn't have to buy new front panels for the next two they used to be extra cost items on build in machines. In all she went through three WHs in about 12 years and then I installed a WP about 1982 which was still working when they sold the house two years ago.

Post# 461916 , Reply# 27   9/7/2010 at 14:24 (4,969 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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wow great dishwasher i am happy that you where able to save it

Post# 461972 , Reply# 28   9/7/2010 at 19:27 (4,969 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
shaded pole motor

very true about the shaded pole wash motor being inefficient-
shaded pole motors are that way by design and pull about twice
the amps of a split phase of the same power-westinghouse's
motor was actually pretty decent compaired to the nasty
shaded pole motors GE used on some of their dishwashers-my
grandma had a GE rollout from around 1972 and i can still
remember the kinda strained sounding whirring from it's motor
eventially the motor's fan came loose after about 12yrs use.
Btw,there might be a date stamp on that westinghouse motor-
might be stamped in ink on one of the endbells,look for a
"SER"followed by a letter then year,example:SER A73 -JAN.1973
Oh,nice score BTW,really clean!


Post# 462144 , Reply# 29   9/8/2010 at 14:27 (4,968 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Hey paul that machine is fantastic the interior looks mint
your avaitor pic is to cool it almost looks like the westy here just the buttons are opposite minus the small lettering that westinghouse used at that time.
Great find !!!
Your handsome in that shot.



Darren k.


Post# 462157 , Reply# 30   9/8/2010 at 15:04 (4,968 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Can you believe my father found that picture in a bunch of old ones he was sorting out and put it aside for me "since your such a dishwasher nut"... LOL
The machine in the picture was the 1979 GE Contessa (with the PowerScrub cycle, bien sūr!) - it replaced the old Viking top-loader that got sent down to the country home we had bought the year before. The picture was dated... 1982! EESH! I have been 19 twice now... LOL


Post# 463234 , Reply# 31   9/13/2010 at 17:27 (4,963 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Control panel

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Hmmm... seems to be saying "I'm ready for my close-up, now, Mr. DeMille"... LOL
Here's the timer dial - very simple cycle selection. Note the large gap between the OFF position and the start of the 'Double Wash'.


Post# 463235 , Reply# 32   9/13/2010 at 17:29 (4,963 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Signal lights

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Probably neon - they glow with a warm orange-ish light when on.

Post# 463238 , Reply# 33   9/13/2010 at 17:33 (4,963 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Push buttons

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Nice and shiny and bright! Very simple selections again - I thought there might be more cycles...

Post# 463274 , Reply# 34   9/13/2010 at 20:38 (4,963 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
enjoyed your pics paul,

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westinghouse is one brand of dishwasher i have never owned or even seen up close. i was curious what the pump and motor looked like.

and that tub does look like new! bet it will run great for quite a while. enjoy it!


Post# 463277 , Reply# 35   9/13/2010 at 21:10 (4,963 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Paul, I think that gap was there to accommodate on the higher-end models, a triple-wash cycle sequence.

Post# 463280 , Reply# 36   9/13/2010 at 21:24 (4,963 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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It's in great shape, and I don't care what anyone says, I'm glad you picked it up. So-called 'crappy' appliances need love, too.

When did WCI start putting White-Westinghouse on their appliances? I see this one still says Westinghouse and has the classic Westy icon/logo. WCI bought acquired Westinghouse in 1975. Is it possible this one may be pre-WCI?

Thanks, as always for the pics of your latest acquisitions. Have you broken ground for the Dishwasher Wing of your house, LOL?!

Edit: Whoops! Upon a closer reading of the previous posts, I see you discovered it really is one of the last of the true Westinghouses.


Post# 463355 , Reply# 37   9/14/2010 at 10:11 (4,962 days old) by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts)        

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My Aunt still has a WW rapid advance dishwasher from the late 70s. I haven't been to her house since 1990, so I can't recall all the buttons, but I believe it was Pot Scrub, Normal Heavy, Normal Light, Sanitizer On, Sanitizer Off, Rinse Hold, and the drying options. The racks look the same from what I remember. My cousin just bought her house and I already told him that if he remodels I'll take the dishwasher. It most definately should run like new. It was only used on weekends from 88-90 when I used to stay there.

Post# 463356 , Reply# 38   9/14/2010 at 10:19 (4,962 days old) by flyingethan (Oklahoma City)        
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Lucky!

Speaking of avocado being a hard color to find now. I am actually having my appliances painted avocado because I am tired of trying to find decent pieces for my kitchen and laundry room.

Nice looking dishwasher. One way to keep it from wearing out is to only use it every great once in a while and primarily use it for decoration. Just my opinion though.



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