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Post# 465469   9/25/2010 at 14:39 (4,954 days old) by whirlpolf ()        

Out of the blue I got the idea to take a night shot of my babies.
Enjoy.




Post# 465477 , Reply# 1   9/25/2010 at 15:19 (4,954 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Show Stopper

 The design esthetic and glow of the machines is stunning. You must be proud of such lovely machines. Lighting always adds a touch of elegance and added value and is sorely missed in the American market.

Post# 465484 , Reply# 2   9/25/2010 at 16:15 (4,954 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Very nice!

Post# 465490 , Reply# 3   9/25/2010 at 16:38 (4,954 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
mixfinder, open your eyes ;-)

 WRONG! I say without a twitch, you Americans have so beautiful machines!
Look around: Lighted consoles, chrome trims, fluorescent lights, in-the-tub-lighting, some bakelite agitators with a chrome scrubber top, elevated timers on a thin pole growing beyond the top rim of the console, pushbutton controls with not to be seen when "off" LEDs (Whirlpool).
Even UV-light sanitizing lights (whenever this my may work or not) competing with console lights! What a galore! Wish we had similar stuff here.

My machines are vintage and feature real 25w light bulbes on each side, today you have only red or green LEDs and a blueish LCD-screen (if at all).

Anyway, here are some additional shots (you have to put the outer doors ajar to get them running):

Post# 465492 , Reply# 4   9/25/2010 at 16:40 (4,954 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
timer close-up

Post# 465493 , Reply# 5   9/25/2010 at 16:42 (4,954 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
final spin (no load)

Post# 465494 , Reply# 6   9/25/2010 at 16:55 (4,954 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
what I like most

 about these two is the fact that they are made of massive steel, the walls of the cabinet being so thick you cannot warp them whatsoever (ok, with a sledge hammer you could).

Then the complete inner washer unit is hanging on suspension springs, dampened down with 2 snubber plates underneath (washer unit comprising drum, basket, belt/pulley set-up, motor, lint filter, bellows, drain pump). Additionally, they have balance rings (a thing that only American washers have today, no Euro washer has them anymore) - the left one has "oil" in it, the right one (slightly newer) just cheaper "sand")
The only thing being mounted in the cabinet are timer, thermostat, valves and detergent dispenser. All else is "swinging away" as you may call it.
Result: No matter what, this jewel stands like a rock.

I tried it with 2 sleepsacks at a time and 2 pairs of trainers clunking along: Spin cycle? They just SLAM them into full rpm. and just play a harmless "what? did I do anything?" - NO vibration outside. Stunning. (Not to be had nowadays, these old babies weigh about 150 kg each).



Post# 465628 , Reply# 7   9/26/2010 at 01:12 (4,954 days old) by NorfolkSouthern ()        
The quality

 If you're referring to the lighted dials and UV lamps of some of our vintage machines, that was mostly before 1970. Your front loader is a real keeper, as I have an Italian Zerowatt that's roughly the same age, maybe older than your set. They don't make anything like that machine anymore, not from my knowledge anyway.

Post# 465643 , Reply# 8   9/26/2010 at 03:52 (4,954 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Wow Joe, lovely machines and design, yes you would need a couple of people to move these beautys!!!

Love the night shots but would love to see more in daylight!!

What spin speed are these??

Post# 465735 , Reply# 9   9/26/2010 at 15:17 (4,953 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
hi Mike ;-)

 They are some 500ish I guess.
The older one says 440, the newer one 520.
I might think this is a hooey, the motors and the pulleys are identical.
Here's a timeline:

- 1958 first Lavamat (boltdown system, no suspension)
(had internal boilers in addition to internal heaters, require 3phase 400V)
(models A, B, C, D, 64, noris and deluxe) spin 350 rpm

- 1964 "free-standing" suspension was introduced and sales shot up,
230V regular plug
(my machines here) spin 440 to 520

- 1970s beginning of "kitchen-ready" machines with detachable top and having front dispenser drawer. "bio" heating (slower and longer for enzyme detergents)
different spin speeds from 420 to 750 (according to model)
(now also sold as "Rondoroyal", "BBC", "interfunk", "Vorwerk" = relabeled)

- 1977-79 brownish or silverish front panels in "softline" design (=rounded edges, hello ABBA and shag carpets.)
introducing "variomatic" spin (several spin bursts with intermittent tumbling. exchangeable outer door decoration panels for kitchen integration. (spin speeds 700 to 850)
also the first solid-state electronic PCB machines. (these introduced the carbon brush motors: 1000, 1200 rpm)

- about mid80s: no longer double door, just a plain port hole. begin of the ÖKO series. carbon brush motors only, speeds 1000 to 1400

- 90s till today: AEG-Electrolux machines with red LEDs, 1000 to 1800 (according to model)

And the link is especially for you ;-)
Cheers
Joe



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Post# 465743 , Reply# 10   9/26/2010 at 15:36 (4,953 days old) by Favorit ()        
Thanks Joe

 for all these infos ! :-)

Another question : what about those series rebadged as Telefunken ? Here back in the 80ies Telefunken models were pretty the same as those Lavamat with the big silver dials

@NorfolkSouthern : these two Lavamats are at least 15 years older than your Zerowatt. Detergent drawers appeared in early seventies

Post# 465746 , Reply# 11   9/26/2010 at 15:47 (4,953 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
Telefunken

 hi Favorit! (for lack of a real name)

Telefunken is a stone age old brand name for radios and transmitters.
A company that goes back to the 20s.
"funken" means "to transmit by radio" and it literally means "to spark a message"
(before radio tubes they only had these horrendous high-voltage spark gaps, quite a dangerous job back then).

Eventually AEG (Allgemeine Electrizitäts Gesellschaft) (= general electricity corporation) bought Telefunken.
From then on all radio and telecommunication stuff was called "AEG-Telefunken", a subdivision of AEG Germany.
(---see pic in link for the old logo, having sparks in it---)
My dad worked for them for all his life until Mercedes and later Electrolux ruined AEG to death.
AEG is no longer existent.

But for markets abroad they would take just any brand or model name, hoping it would sell, hoping noone will understand it.
So it turns out that white goods are called "Telefunken" in some neighbour countries. (complete bulls... if you ask me, I never phone someone using my washer ;-)))

hope this helps.

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Post# 465884 , Reply# 12   9/26/2010 at 23:45 (4,953 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Telefunken transmitter-at the transmitter site I work at-they have a shortwave AEG Telefunken S4005 500Kw transmitter.Also the studio had some Telefunken tape machines that were loaned to the agency for trial-those were returned.Sometimes our Telefunken transmitter has "sparks" so we have to go in it and fix the problems.So far the rig has held up pretty well since it was installed in 1985.Had factory training on this.It has gone thru three HV rectifier transformers-the crowbar for the HV rectifier is pretty brutal.When you "crowbar" 30Kv at up to 60A something is going to give!

Post# 465888 , Reply# 13   9/27/2010 at 00:34 (4,953 days old) by A440 ()        

Great Pictures!
Beautiful Set!
Magazine worthy!
Brent

Post# 466309 , Reply# 14   9/29/2010 at 11:20 (4,950 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Joe...your washers are stunning!!!
Loving the porcelian drop down door lids with instructions.
and of course the lighting.

I alway's was interested in european equipment...
when i was living with my parents and i would call the U.K.
for literiture on washers and my mom would get the bill and said are you crazy calling overseas for washing machines,
i said there is not enough i can learn from mother lol.

So one of the companies i called was AEG and the second set of literiture that they sent me was on the side of the book said
Automatic engineering from Germany.

Being a audiophile and loving stereo equipment one of the best tape recording systems iv'e came across was a Telefunken cassette recording deck it had three speeds and and pitch control very high end machine sounded fantastic!

Thanks for the pictures and education.

Darren k.





Post# 466518 , Reply# 15   9/30/2010 at 11:01 (4,949 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
hey Darren

 glad you like them ;-)

ROFL on calling overseas, I did the same calling Whirlpool USA!
(and my Mom called me very similar names and adjectives, too).

If you have any questions about those brands, I'll be more than happy to help out.
Also, my late dad has left us tons and tons of material, there's surely the one ore the other brochure/magazine/book left over (after two years we're still sorting out things)
There's also an early 50s tape recorder, a stylish microphone, some old circuit diagrams and what have you... (7800 pictures and still counting)

Drop me a line anytime: w t t r w o l f <*> a i m . c o m (no spaces of course)

Joe

Post# 469024 , Reply# 16   10/13/2010 at 10:08 (4,936 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

beautiful very regal loooking machines.
Tom :)

Post# 469069 , Reply# 17   10/13/2010 at 16:40 (4,936 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Very handsome Lavamats you have, Joe !
I`m sure they do a hell of a good job when it comes to rinse perfomance with all those interim spins and high water levels and their powerfull pumps.
The quality of 60s AEGs is just stunning, totally on par with Miele, perhaps even better.
It is such a shame what the brand has become now.
I think to recall it was in the 70s when AEG Hausgeräte went bankrupt. Do you know by any chance since when Electrolux took over ?
Oh and by the way I have a hunch your former screenname was Lederstiefel, right ? Missed your posts.

Post# 469075 , Reply# 18   10/13/2010 at 17:03 (4,936 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
bankrupt

hi Stefan,
thanks for your reply.
For details on these trials of Mercedes Benz and then Electrolux trying to "save" (read: slaughter & scavenge) AEG please see link.
Hint: You'd better google for "AEG +Nürnberg" to find more in-depth articles about the protesting workers and the managers drinking champagne....
(more or less an 80s/90s-style prelude of our bank crisis now, same pattern)

No, I am not "Lederstiefel" (although I know him very well, he is the one to have brought the somewhat newer Nova L to my home), actually he hates AEGs but I love them and he is just a nice man = deal for all of us, he's got it out of his car, I have it here now and Nova L is happily splish-splashing away my denims.

For all others to know, my friend insisted on putting the machine into place just by himself, he would just hug it, growl loudly and lift it up, then slammed it down on that wooden Euro pallet on the floor.
Result:
1. He IS strong (the machine weighs some 150 kg)
2. The rubber hose from the detergent compartment tore up (I replaced it)
3. The machine is in place without my sweat, thanks!

Last info:
The inner workings of the timer were invented by Paul Kolb, at that time at "AKO timers" which nowadays is better known as "Diehl electric components". They make timers, PCBs and all that stuff for almost any washer brand in the world, Whirlpool for example, (and they were located just across the street from AEG back in the 60s).
So, these very early Lavamat washers are the foundation of Diehl/AKO electronics.


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Post# 470636 , Reply# 19   10/21/2010 at 04:08 (4,929 days old) by favorit ()        
Lavamats and Favorits today...

 Hi Stephan,

die Nuernberger factory was dismissed in 2007, so at first production "wandered" here and there in EU. My brother and SIL had the bad luck to buy that very year a fully integrated TOL Favorit DW that was made in Spain. It has nothing to do with Louis' actually "Nuernberg-gemacht" F 6060, that despite is 10 years older is far quieter and washes far better (I know it, cause my aunt has a F 6051)

Now AEG Favorits are made in Solaro (close to Milan), togherer with Rex, Dishlex, Privileg, Arthur Martin

Lavamats are now made in north western Italy (Porcia-Pordenone) in the hystorical Zanussi factory. Nothing new under the stars : when Lepper (commercially badged as MATURA) closed, AEG outsorced its washer-dryer combos from Zanussi. Also when they gave up outsorcing toploaders from Thomson-Brandt, toploading Lavamats began to be plain Zanussi machines


Pity the waschmaschinen-forum.de is shut ... it was a goldmine of infos :((((((

Post# 470639 , Reply# 20   10/21/2010 at 04:35 (4,929 days old) by mikeklondon (London)        

I love this AEG model its one of the best washers ever made and yours look like new.
i wish someone still made this type of FL with no rubber door seal

Post# 470656 , Reply# 21   10/21/2010 at 07:20 (4,928 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
i wish someone still made this type of FL with no rubber doo

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...er....

ASKO.....though they are phasing out the drop down door

Post# 470951 , Reply# 22   10/23/2010 at 06:32 (4,926 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I guess I must have forgotten to post in this thread. Probably was stunned! This was the first time I saw machines of this generation with lighted control panels. Didn't know they had that. Makes them even more interesting than I thought they already were. I have a soft spot for older AEG's, these pictures only enhance that.

Post# 470953 , Reply# 23   10/23/2010 at 06:51 (4,926 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Classics

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Thanks Joe for the pics, such solid machines, you cant move these in a hurry!!! One of the first AEG`s I sold (1982 model)was a replacement for a 1978 model with the vario spin and full door with a door panel insert...the delivery men never stopped moaning about how heavy it was to remove...Oh why didnt I stash stuff from the,,...Lol

Post# 470999 , Reply# 24   10/23/2010 at 14:45 (4,926 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
thank you all

 Favorit, thank you, this is more detailed information on the companies than I ever thought it could be! Never thought it was THAT much of a to-and-fro.
But I am still Joe, not Stephan *gg*

Mike and Chris: Thanks, it is really true: The Asko machines are the only ones that I consider an adequate grandson of these here. Expecially the brushed steel door machines, what a sight!

Louis, thanks and Mike, too. If you like I might be able to post a scan of the cycle timelines and the wiring. I was lucky to find a friendly old-school employee at AEG, he was so kind to fax me the wiring diagram of the older Nova Regina.
Besides, Mike: The counterweight in these machines is not made out of concrete but of massive steel, soldered to the outer tub, then bolted to it in addition.
Oh and Mike, please resend your e-mail address for the Hotpoint vacuum tools, the old mail got muddled up somehow, sorry. The parts are still here.

Joe

PS all: Be sure to check the daylight pics and the vids.


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