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Thread Number: 31235
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| Post# 471607 10/26/2010 at 22:47 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 471608 , Reply# 1 10/26/2010 at 22:50 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 471609 , Reply# 2 10/26/2010 at 22:51 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 471611 , Reply# 3 10/26/2010 at 22:54 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 471612 , Reply# 4 10/26/2010 at 22:57 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Say AHHHHH! | ||
| Post# 471614 , Reply# 5 10/26/2010 at 23:01 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Post# 471615 , Reply# 6 10/26/2010 at 23:03 (4,923 days old) by appnut  (TX) |
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| Post# 471616 , Reply# 7 10/26/2010 at 23:04 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Add your additives here... | ||
| Post# 471617 , Reply# 8 10/26/2010 at 23:05 (4,923 days old) by autowasherfreak () | ||
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Damn you, LOL. You find all the good stuff. Everytime I look for something here it's always DD machines. | ||
| Post# 471618 , Reply# 9 10/26/2010 at 23:06 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Waaait... For... It... | ||
| Post# 471620 , Reply# 10 10/26/2010 at 23:10 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 471622 , Reply# 11 10/26/2010 at 23:13 (4,923 days old) by autowasherfreak () | ||
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Will ya hurry up with the video, LOL! | ||
| Post# 471623 , Reply# 12 10/26/2010 at 23:15 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 471626 , Reply# 13 10/26/2010 at 23:17 (4,923 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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LOL, Drew do not select all the options P,W,2nd. rinse. The Vegas water police will make you do hard time. Mom's pentavane from the 70's lasted so long we totally missed this nice series. Looks like a very well kept Lady. arthur | ||
| Post# 471627 , Reply# 14 10/26/2010 at 23:17 (4,923 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Beautiful! And this was thrown away? What was wrong with it? If anything. I can't get over how clean it is! The control panel is mint! Thanks for the pictures. Brent | ||
| Post# 471633 , Reply# 15 10/26/2010 at 23:20 (4,923 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
AWESOME | ||
| Post# 471634 , Reply# 16 10/26/2010 at 23:22 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Jim... Jim... Jim... I'm posting as fast as I can. I' | ||
| Post# 471637 , Reply# 17 10/26/2010 at 23:28 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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NOW, The reward for waiting (semi)patiently...
I'm trying a new camera out on this shoot. An Olympus Stylus. The above the water video settings still need a little tweeking.
Wait! Did he say "above the water"?!?!? Yup! This model is waterproof up to around 20 feet. Sssoooo, that's a Maytagman to do? Well, SHOOT UNDERWATER! Here's the calm before the storm! 
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| Post# 471639 , Reply# 18 10/26/2010 at 23:30 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Time to unleash the Lady! | ||
| Post# 471641 , Reply# 19 10/26/2010 at 23:32 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 471643 , Reply# 20 10/26/2010 at 23:34 (4,923 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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one of the last BDs... that thing is clean!!it is a couple months newer than my '86 70 series I need to rotate one of my big BDs into use-just to enjoy the sound effects if nothing else..(i try to rotate my secondary machines from time to time to keep them all active) | ||
| Post# 471645 , Reply# 21 10/26/2010 at 23:40 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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I have looked into the jaws of The Lady...
and she looked back! LOL!
Now, you're wondering if there just happens to be underwater video? Would I disappoint? You can hear the belt noise and a serious amount of water and bubbles from the cavitation off the fins... I'll have to practice blindly aiming the camera. This really opens the door to recording other wash actions! A Frigidaire would be a fright! 
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Post# 471646 , Reply# 22 10/26/2010 at 23:42 (4,923 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Kick myself
I cannot tell you how many times I kicked myslf (especially after sweater disasters) and regretted NOT getting one of these sets in September/October of 1986. But nooo, I saw the DDs at a Sears in Rochester NY when visiting a former neighbor there in early late September/early October. I was seduced by the themostatic temp control of warm & cold water temps, the new panel look that moved the timer dial over to the right, the load rollover that was so reminiscent of Frigidaires and even the 1/18 as I rememberred it, and the slightly fasterr spin speeds over a BD. I wonder if I would still have that washer and dryer today if I'd goten them.
Andy, the last deterrgent dispenser on a Kenmore I saw was our 1970 Kenore 800 and the rusted kenmore Greg found last weekend. Is that all the flowthrough force of waterr there is through the deterrgent dispenser. Seems rather anemic. Drool!! | ||
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Post# 471647 , Reply# 23 10/26/2010 at 23:45 (4,923 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 471649 , Reply# 24 10/26/2010 at 23:53 (4,923 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.) | ||
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Wow, congrats on a great find! This is a unique model, as it is a Lady K but with a speckled tub. It sounds great and runs smooth. Love the under water shots. Have a good one, James | ||
| Post# 471650 , Reply# 25 10/26/2010 at 23:53 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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This Lady has a new adoptive home in Charlotte. I called Gordon with the model/serial and I think I almost heard him pass out! Seriously, He was having fun with this before he even saw the pictures. As I understand it, this Lady is newer than anything he has and he's been searching for even pictures of this one. I apparently have a knack of finding Kenmores with combinations of features that are uncommon elsewhere. I'll wait for Gordon to explain better than I can.
There really wasn't much wrong with her. I fixed the rear self leveling legs and there was a small leak @ the triple dispenser that seems to have disappeared after I seriously cleaned the mucked up softener dispenser cup. Nothing that should have warranted a possible death sentence for the Lady. Another sucessful rescue from The Pile! RCD 
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| Post# 471655 , Reply# 26 10/27/2010 at 00:41 (4,923 days old) by autowasherfreak () | ||
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I wonder if I would still have that washer and dryer today i Bob,I would answer yes to that question. | ||
| Post# 471657 , Reply# 27 10/27/2010 at 00:43 (4,923 days old) by autowasherfreak () | ||
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The underwater video is awesome. That would be cool do with a dishwasher. | ||
| Post# 471660 , Reply# 29 10/27/2010 at 01:10 (4,923 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Rex, have you considered contacting Gordon in Charlotte? He probably has about 25% of the world's existing machines at his fingertips. I'll bet he could help you get a decent machine that hasn't been mangled. If I were to want a KM BD, he'd be my first call...
Besides, I'm picky about where I adopt out my orphans and he's adopted several... RCD | ||
| Post# 471667 , Reply# 30 10/27/2010 at 01:48 (4,923 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Awesome Videos! Thanks! Brent | ||
| Post# 471671 , Reply# 31 10/27/2010 at 03:22 (4,922 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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| Post# 471672 , Reply# 32 10/27/2010 at 04:30 (4,922 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
Just when you... | ||
| Post# 471680 , Reply# 33 10/27/2010 at 06:33 (4,922 days old) by kenmore700bill (Lodi NJ) | ||
Andrew Great Find,
I am fairly new to the site and dont respond to many threads, this one i had to respond. It looks like the only thing missing is the liquid detergent cup that fits into the center powder detergent spot. It works off of the Siphon method and adds liquid detergent to the washer. The only issue with this cup is that every once in a while had to clean out because lint built up in the center post of the cup and had to clean but no big deal. I may have one in my collection of parts I did have this model and used ot for several years as a matter of fact I have the console in my basement. I thought I read that one of the membeers needed this console but could not find the thread so if you are reading this email me i still have the console. I did question a few other members I met from NJ and they don't recall. It is a great machine and a workhorse I enjoyed using it you can't beat the belt drives and it looks pretty clean. Best of luck with it..I may also have the original books that came with the machine. Email me if interested in the soap dispensor cup or original books that came with my 90 series. Bill | ||
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Post# 471681 , Reply# 34 10/27/2010 at 06:36 (4,922 days old) by steve1-18 (Grovetown (Augusta), GA) |
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How many of you Took a deep breath as the camera dove below the surface of the water? I was surprised how well the camera adapted to the under-water lighting. VERY COOL! | ||
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Post# 471695 , Reply# 35 10/27/2010 at 09:58 (4,922 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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1985 Model Lady K
Such wonderfulness Andy!
Here's a wordy one, even for me: As Andy eluded to, this has been a major mystery model for me. Without further ado, I will explain why..... On July 4, 1986, at the young age of 21 I bought my Kenmore 70-series pair for my last year in college since my new place had a laundry closet. I had no clue that soon after, the belt-drives would be gone for good. I remember very clearly a few specific machines - the one I bought of course, the next model up that I almost bought had it not been for my Mom's scoffing (she didn't think a college student needed a new washer and dryer), the 24-inch DDs that I loathed (these were the models that look cosmetically like BD clones), and the Lady K and the Limited Edition. I had no desire for an electronic machine, nor did I have any intention of paying the asking price for them. I probably would have bought something even less expensive than I bought, but to get a belt-drive machine I had to buy the 23701 model (entry level 70 series). Part of my goal was to duplicate what my Mom had, which at the time was a three year old 70-series, but hers had two more water levels and temps. I didn't care about that. I bought them, got my first credit card in the process, and couldn't wait to take delivery in August. Later on, say in September or early October, I was in the store again and was SHOCKED and horrified to see mostly DDs and new control panels. There were only a few belt-drive models remaining, and one was mine, the other was the Lady, and a middle 70-series. There were all on close-out and were in the paper the following weekend. Fast forward to 1992 when in the heyday of my washer rebuilding for re-sale, I got a 1-inch thick full-size Whirlpool catalog, which illustrates most every common repair part available for laundry products (laundry only) at the time. Agitators, pumps, timers, heating elements, motors, transmissions, you name it, it's in there except model-specific stuff and hardware items like nuts and bolts. Most of the good stuff has pictures/drawings. At the end of the catalog is a comprehensive model number listing for Whirlpool and Kenmore washers, and later Kitchen Aid and Roper as well, though those are DD only. The Kenmore list begins with 1975 models and lists EVERY belt-drive model to the close of the line. I have been fascinated by this list for 18 years. I have mentioned before that the last fully inclusive line of belt-drive Kenmores came out in 1983. At first they were made with some of the last 1981 and 1982 models. By 1984 they were all '83 models on the floor and in catalogs, except for the Electronic Limited Edition which carries a 1982 model number. There was 10 large-capacity models, starting with one 60-series and ending with a Lady similar to that featured in this post. The model numbers for these all begin with 110.823, 8 for 1980s and 3 for 1983. The 2 means 29-inch cabinet. There are four curious models after the 1983s though listed in the WP catalog. I quickly figured out that three of them were the machines that Sears marketed with Toyota. These have 1984 model numbers (110.824xxxxx). They have different color woodgrain tops, woodgrain on the front of the panel too, silver instead of gold on the print, and no DA agitators. These were offered as sales incentives in lieu of rebates for cars. I have seen copies of all these machines and have one, but I NEVER saw any sign of the fourth, which is a 1985 90 series. The model is 110.82592100, and I could not find any difference at the Sears website between it and the 1983 Lady, which was a 110.82392100. When Andy called me and told me what he had, he always likes to start out with this cute "Quiz Gordon" game by reading me a model number and having me describe what it is. This time as soon as he said "One one zero, dot eight two five" I had to sit down.... FINALLY I was going to find out what this elusive model is. Well, from all external appearances, it's a clone to the 83 machines, BUT, there are a couple subtle differenes. I noticed when looking at early pics, that his machine has a non-porcelain lid and a speckled basket. I figured these were courtesy of a re-do shop's blending of parts which I used to see all the time. Even I transplanted porcelain tops onto machines that originally had painted tops, which usually rust in this part of the country. Curiously, I pulled up two sessions with Sears' website, and compared parts lists from the 83 and the 85, side by side. As it turns out, the 85 came from the factory with the powder coated lid, a powder coated top, and the speckled basket!!! I was shocked. The 83 brochures made a semi big-deal about the porcelain tops on 80 series and up machines, AND about the double coated white basket in certain 80 series and the 90 series Lady K. Why the 85 model was de-contented with lower 70 series powder coated parts and a non-white basket is beyond me, but I suspect that this was done to keep the Lady in production during parts shortages, OR to offer a cheaper Lady in promotions. Up until hearing from Andy about this machine, my 70-series has been the newest Kenmore Belt-drive I've ever been aware of. It was made in the 32nd week of 1986, but this one is three weeks newer, being made in the 35th week. VERY COOL. I am betting that by this time there wasn't any more porcelain lids and tops left, and a shortage of white baskets (they used more in the Whirlpool LA7800s until early 1987 though), so they created this model number. They couldn't use a 1986 number because that was used by the Lady K DD machine. This machine may be very rare - not that it's very different from the 83, but I anyway appreciate the differences. It's a nice looking one too - VERY nice looking triple dispenser. So, that's my long story - sorry for all the words! Gordon | ||
| Post# 471759 , Reply# 36 10/27/2010 at 14:15 (4,922 days old) by cphifer5115 (Jackson, TN) | ||
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Post# 471761 , Reply# 37 10/27/2010 at 14:43 (4,922 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Post# 471774 , Reply# 38 10/27/2010 at 15:46 (4,922 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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| Post# 471777 , Reply# 39 10/27/2010 at 16:11 (4,922 days old) by cphifer5115 (Jackson, TN) | ||
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Post# 471781 , Reply# 40 10/27/2010 at 16:45 (4,922 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Kenny -
The Almond machine you sent me is the traditional '83 model, which has a full porcelain top and porcelain lid, and the double coated white basket. It is essentially the same as this machine otherwise. There was one difference in the control panel between the 83 and the 85 - they are one digit different in part numbers on the parts schematic, but I haven't noticed what that difference is visually. I will have to compare the 85 to the 83 side by side and see if I can figure it out. Chris - A lot of folks haven't seen this machine before. It was pretty expensive and didn't appeal to everyone - something like $120 more than a 70 series. Had I bought one in July 1986 it was going to cost nearly $500 ($479 I believe). The Kenmore you have was the best selling of the entire 1983 line, and I'd venture a rough guess that there were maybe 4 or 5 to 1 of your model vs. the Lady, maybe even a greater margin. Of the 1983 line, there were about three models that were very common (my 70, your 70, and the entry 80) and a couple that were ultra-rare (the 60 and two of the other 80s). The Lady seems to have been well-produced in quantity but nothing like the popular 70-series models. I knew this machine from memories of it on the sales floor, but mostly because it was featured at the beginning of the laundry section of at least five editions of the Sears catalog. Gordon This post was last edited 10/27/2010 at 21:40 | ||
| Post# 471783 , Reply# 41 10/27/2010 at 16:52 (4,922 days old) by Dblrinz () | ||
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Awesome Andy - Great find and Spectacular under water video! Gordon - Congratulations! I am extremely happy for you! | ||
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Post# 471793 , Reply# 42 10/27/2010 at 18:56 (4,922 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Gorgon, I vaguely remember this model being in those periodic sales ccatalogs mailed to homes and also in a couple of "bigger "books". What I remember is thinking why it didn't have a porceialin top & basket. Just seemed odd a Lady woulnd't have thoseThere were a couple of times it was included in the couple of near pages with the porcelain Lady. It did have a noticeable price difference. A budget Lady so to speak.
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| Post# 471798 , Reply# 43 10/27/2010 at 19:06 (4,922 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
Jacques Cousteau, indeed, Uncle Bob!
Holy Crap, Andrew! This is un-frigging-believable! Today, Automatic Washer went underwater for the first time, and what a ride it was. Now that you've taken the plunge, we'll never be the same again. I've been down in the turbulence 3 times today, riding the wave, and I still can't believe it. You have the Special Effects Oscar sewn up, Andy.
In a lighter vein, did you know that there are washer-challenged people walking around who think agitators revolve rather than oscillate. I have spoken to such people. Obviously, they never wash at extra-lo. If they see this flick, they'll get it. Only the top goes round & round, not the bottom. Neat how if you select Wash Only, Exact Medium level, Cottons, and Auto Temp, all chrome dials points perfect North when the load is done! Perfectionist Paradise. Gordon, maybe the one digit difference is a fully marked water level selector--a wild guess! AND...... What kind of agitator is in the 86 LK's you mention that don't have the Dual Action Agi? | ||
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Post# 471800 , Reply# 44 10/27/2010 at 19:21 (4,922 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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1986 MECHANICAL CONTROL LKM WASHER
Congratulations on finding this washer its in great condition. I never felt this was a very rare model we saw a lot of these around here, I just ran a call on one last week that had a broken timer knob. The older lady that owned it just couldn't get over the fact that the knob actually broke after just 24 years of use, I tried to explain that it was just plastic and they would and do break. I think toward the end of BD washers that Sears didn't care that much about promoting the last of the BD machines so they cheapened them a little. There was certainly no shortage of white tubs or porcelain tops and lids these are just coatings that are sprayed on metal. But otherwise a very fun machine I especially loved the under shots during agitation I will look forward to more of these.
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| Post# 471801 , Reply# 45 10/27/2010 at 19:27 (4,922 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California) | ||
Sweet find and video! | ||
| Post# 471802 , Reply# 46 10/27/2010 at 19:37 (4,922 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR) | ||
Gordon wrote: There was one difference in the control panel 
I think the last LK model like this that I saw on the showroom floor in 1986 had a different control panel cap than the machine pictured above. While the top cap on Drew's machine pictured above has a textured-look print to it (kind of like a textured refrigerator door) I seem to remember the last new model I saw as having a tiny micro-grid pattern to it, like the very faint lines of a small graph paper pattern.
It was because of something like this that my parents chose to buy a DD washer instead of one of the remaining BD LK machines, despite the closeout deals to be had. The only dryers in stock were the new models to match the new DD washers, and they had the wood grain control panel caps. My mom didn't want to pair a wood grain capped dryer with a washer that didn't have the same look. Is this possibly the control panel difference? | ||
| Post# 471814 , Reply# 47 10/27/2010 at 20:39 (4,922 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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PS: It was great to see your face, Andy, | ||
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Post# 471835 , Reply# 48 10/27/2010 at 21:30 (4,922 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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David / Zipdang - I think you'll find that this machine has the tiny surface texturizing on the panel top too, at least it looks to in the first few photos that Andy provided. The two or three '83 models I have look similar anyway, but if they are different, that is very possibly the difference.
John / Combo52 - "There was certainly no shortage of white tubs or porcelain tops and lids these are just coatings that are sprayed on metal". How do you know that John? Porcelain is more than a sprayed-on coating. Machinery and processes are involved in its application that can break down during production or be bottlenecked in scheduling. If mechanical equipment goes down for planned or unplanned reasons, manufacturers have to temporarily backlog an item, OR come up with a substitute. I have to deal with that myself from time to time at work. I know for a fact that the powdercoating line(s) in 1985 and 1986 were down and over-scheduled several times, and 70-series machines had to be equipped with porcelain tops and lids that would otherwise not have them. This was done at higher unit cost to maintain plant output and to satisfy orders for specific series models. I have three such machines and they too have differences in their model numbers to account for the different parts used. Clyde ran on daily and weekend overtime frequently throughout the economic recovery of the mid 1980s, and it is very plausible that some of the workcenters within the plant could not keep up with output. While it may be more likely that this model was planned as a gimicky price leader for promotions as Bob seems to agree, we don't know for sure. I have an '83 version that was made in week 25, so within ten weeks of this machine, and it has all the brochure items it's supposed to have. Sears is fussy about their image on Kenmore laundry, and they continued marketing the Lady K with it's extra porcelain features for a number of years into the DD program. No way would they risk their image to a consumer just because they were getting sloppy when winding down the BDs. Sears took (and still does) their position in laundry appliance sales too seriously for that. Gordon | ||
| Post# 471837 , Reply# 49 10/27/2010 at 21:38 (4,922 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Missed one, G
"There are four curious models after the 1983s though listed in the WP catalog. I quickly figured out that three of them were the machines that Sears marketed with Toyota. These have 1984 model numbers (110.824xxxxx). They have different color woodgrain tops, woodgrain on the front of the panel too, silver instead of gold on the print, and no DA agitators."
As you well know, having a blast imagining what giant agitator replaced the DA in these four curious models. And even more, have we seen this agitator? It has to be a behemoth. | ||
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Post# 471839 , Reply# 50 10/27/2010 at 21:47 (4,922 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Mikey -
Was just about to address that....The 1984 machines that were made for Toyota all had the Penta-Vane, a five-bladed straight vane agitator, and yes, it is rather large. It is very unassuming, but crazy powerful in these machines and I am not sure I really like the one I'm using right now - too much of too much most of the time. The user can definitely shorten agitate times with this agitator. I am coming to appreciate the DA and the Penta-Swirl much more. G | ||
| Post# 471840 , Reply# 51 10/27/2010 at 21:48 (4,922 days old) by cphifer5115 (Jackson, TN) | ||
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I can agree with Gordon about Sears. I used to work for Whirlpool til they closed our plant here in Jackson, TN. (Formaly a Maytag dishwasher plant til Whirlpool bought the Maytag Corp.) any shipments we did to sears had to have strit audits preformed on every single unit shipped out or we got fined thousands of dollars.
And I so wish I had been born ten years earlier I could have been working for Whirlpool in the 80's at the Clyde plant raking in all that overtime that Gordon mentioned they worked. | ||
| Post# 471847 , Reply# 52 10/27/2010 at 22:24 (4,922 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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Excellent camera work! I can say it has always been my dream since about 4 years old to see the "fins" (as I called them back in the day) in action. The only chance I got was during the rinse fill, with the clothes still stuck to the side of the tub. I would stare it down until it started agitating and I would maybe get a glimpse of one stroke :( I was always dissapointed. But AW and its wonderful members always make childhood dreams a reality :P
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Post# 471852 , Reply# 53 10/27/2010 at 23:26 (4,922 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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PORCELAIN FINISHES
Gordon I was talking about porcelain finishes, its not likley that there was any problem doing these at that time in history. WP was moving raplidly away from using fired on porcelain finishes at that time in appliance manufacturing. The outer tubs on DD washers were no longer porcelain as were the liners in refrigerators and freezers they had more than enough capacity to make porcelain tops and lids on washers if they wanted to. WP let quality take a back seat on the last 4 or 5 years of belt drive washers. The new DD washers had less than 1/2 the number of warranty problems than the last 4 years of the BD machines.
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Post# 471861 , Reply# 54 10/28/2010 at 00:24 (4,922 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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John -
Manufacturing isn't always quite that simple. Just because a plant has theoretical capacity doesn't mean that it is 100% reliable, invulnerable to mechanical failure, or capable of full-time operation. It also doesn't mean that available capacity can always be utilized to deliver parts at a certain time. Anything I'm talking about above as to substitutions in parts one way or another is in temporary terms - not long term. We have no idea what was going on at the plant at that time. For example, if an oven fails that fires the porcelain, no parts are going to come out until the oven is replaced or repaired. Clyde used to supply most of the structural parts for its machines. I believe this is still true today but to a lesser degree as some of the assemblies are out-sourced and some components are made in other factories. Porcelainizing the baskets and tops/lids was done in-house. Refrigerator or dishwasher changes to plastic liners and tubs theoretically would allow for more capacity for washer porcelain parts, but the fridge and dishwasher plants did not supply washer parts, and the lines would have to be re-tooled to do so. Even so, if there was a shortage of hydrochloric acid, which is used to etch metal to prepare it for the porcelain coating, there would be a temporary decrease in overall porcelain capacity. Also, once the refrigerator and dishwasher plants stopped requiring porcelain parts, the facilities used to do the porcelain work were likely decommissioned. These were old and very much not-environmental operations. HCL is nasty stuff, involved in a lot of government regulation. My belief is that once the fridge and dishwasher plants stopped needing these items, WP said "so long" to the porcelain operations none too soon. G | ||
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Post# 471863 , Reply# 55 10/28/2010 at 00:29 (4,922 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Lady Kenmore!
This is a beautiful machine. I always thought that all the TL models had a white tub at least that is the way I remember it. Also I think this is when they stopped using the Lady Kenmore name. (but maybe I'm wrong) Also before this series most TL kenmores had more up to date styling with panel lights and all. But this is definatly a keeper.
Best Wishes Peter | ||
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Post# 471865 , Reply# 56 10/28/2010 at 00:38 (4,922 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Since we mentioned the 1984 models a little bit, and MickeyD asked about the non-DA agitators on the three models, I thought I'd post a few pictures. Both of these I borrowed from Robert's 2008 thread "Memories of Estate Sale Saturdays".
The first is a 1984 Kenmore 400 washer. This is one of the Toyota washers. I don't want to say that these were never available in stores, but they were predominantly if not completely sourced as sales incentives for Toyota vehicles. There was two versions of this machine, one with a waterfall filter, and one with a self-cleaning filter. This is a single-speed machine. There was a very similar looking 70-series version that had two speeds, a pre-wash, an infinite water level, five temps, and two dispensers. Note the window lid was NOT a standard feature. :-) I hope this is ok to borrow Robert! The woodgrain on the top is an oak color vs. walnut on the in-store black panel machines, and the on-panel woodgrain is not seen elsewhere in black panel Kenmores. I have one of these machines - maybe it's time to dig it out? 
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Post# 471867 , Reply# 57 10/28/2010 at 00:41 (4,922 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Post# 471870 , Reply# 58 10/28/2010 at 00:51 (4,922 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Post# 471872 , Reply# 59 10/28/2010 at 00:54 (4,922 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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While I was snapping the agitator pic, I thought I'd snap a shot of a 1983 model Lady and show the two main differences between the '83 and '85 versions.
You can clearly see the white basket and the porcelain lid and how they compare to what is used in the '85. Oddly, this machine was built in 1986, so whatever the reason for the creation of the 1985 model apparently did not warrant a permanent switch from one model to the other. 
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| Post# 471945 , Reply# 60 10/28/2010 at 12:00 (4,921 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 471953 , Reply# 61 10/28/2010 at 12:54 (4,921 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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And when did the woo woo woo go away? | ||
| Post# 471964 , Reply# 62 10/28/2010 at 13:27 (4,921 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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PS: PENTAVANE | ||
| Post# 471981 , Reply# 63 10/28/2010 at 14:22 (4,921 days old) by mtn1584 (USA) | ||
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She's a lady!!!!!!...................................... Well she's all you'll ever want, she's the kind I'd like to flaunt and take to dinnner......she's got style , she's got grace.........she's a winner, she's a lady!!!!!!!!!!! Lady Kenmore that is!!!!LOL | ||
| Post# 471985 , Reply# 64 10/28/2010 at 14:33 (4,921 days old) by cphifer5115 (Jackson, TN) | ||
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| Post# 471986 , Reply# 65 10/28/2010 at 14:34 (4,921 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California) | ||
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Post# 472019 , Reply# 66 10/28/2010 at 16:48 (4,921 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 472030 , Reply# 67 10/28/2010 at 17:18 (4,921 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Hey Kenny - No, NC isn't leaning south with all the belt-drives, it's just sinking back to where it was when we had that many in service a few years ago!!!!
I am rapidly approaching purge mode here - I have about three machines that I know others want, and that's cool, but I will be looking for loving homes for some of these before too long. Chris Pfiffer gets one particular one.... Andy - The Lady K badge went on well into the 90s from what I'm told here, 1997 or 1998 maybe? Yes indeed, there were DD Ladies. The 1986 Lady was very much equivalent to this machine in a number of ways. I don't know if it offered an automatic advance from soak into Normal/Cotton Sturdy, but it had the DD version of the flushed dispenser, all porcelain top/lid, etc. WAY over-priced for a DD at least in my book, but they seemed to sell. I saw two in a junk yard down the street last year in fact. Gordon | ||
| Post# 472037 , Reply# 68 10/28/2010 at 19:00 (4,921 days old) by cphifer5115 (Jackson, TN) | ||
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Post# 472052 , Reply# 70 10/28/2010 at 20:24 (4,921 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Yes, Gordon, my Lady Shredmore had the auto pre/wash/soak advance to cotton/Sturdy (heavy soil) the deterrgent dispenser had one timer increment at the very beginning oof the 3 major wash cycles. It flushed for two minutes and then the timer advanced to the first increment of the cycle and while it was advancing, the motor was run just enough to get the agitator "locked" so that when it started washing it dind't lose even a pittance of water being discharged out the drain pipe. I initially used that fature for my whites as I pre-soaked the, but when I saw the damage of 145 minutes intense agitation did on jockeys, T-shirts, and dish towels, I cut it wayy down in time.
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Post# 472070 , Reply# 71 10/28/2010 at 21:47 (4,921 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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if the truth be told, when the designers at Sears (and it was done to reduce costs during a recession in the early to mid 1970s), decided to go to the uniform-look, center dial and do away with all the buttons and lights on Lady Kenmores, they should have done away with the name. Yes the above machine is nice, but it sure wasn't nearly as elegant nor as fun (push the button, turn the dial uintil it stops) to use either. I immediately reduced the above LK panel style to nothing more than a glorrified alphabet machine, say a 1970 Kenmore 700. Now I"m not really knocking that 700, because it was a very elegant panel too. But to me, Sears was now saying the new LK looked like a plain ol' simple alphabet washer.
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| Post# 472085 , Reply# 72 10/28/2010 at 23:22 (4,921 days old) by spinmon (st. charles mo ) | ||
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007 would cringe... ...if he ran across the wrath of the mighty LK! Sean Connery in a wetsuit swirling about the massive fins & menacing screw,fighting for his life after his scuba gear was ripped apart from a too close fin spank. LOVE the underwater vid!!!! | ||
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