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Thread Number: 31303
Whirlpool Cabrio Full Wash Cycle Video |
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Post# 472546 10/31/2010 at 09:20 (4,918 days old) by logixx  (Germany) |
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Post# 472578 , Reply# 1 10/31/2010 at 12:11 (4,918 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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At least I steam from the hot water when it pauses while it's fillig for wash. I simply am unable to see how this is NOT harsh on fabrics. I think I'll stick with a front loader for a modern HE machine thank you very much!!!
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| Post# 472633 , Reply# 3 10/31/2010 at 17:59 (4,918 days old) by mtn1584 (USA) | ||
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Why don't they just call these machines "Waterless Washers." I bet sales of irons will increase as these machines twist up all kinds of fabrics. | ||
| Post# 472647 , Reply# 4 10/31/2010 at 19:19 (4,918 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY) | ||
Water
I agree with Bob, it's just like any toploader with too little water. Kinda like a washboard, rubbing the clothes again a spinning disc with ribs on it. I think this would destroy a lot of clothes over time. I'm just not sold and yes, it seems like a tangling mess. I think I prefer the old GE (Hitachi) portable I have and the Haiers to this, at least they use enough water so the clothes aren't dry humping themselves!
I'm starting to think machines like this are a purposeful nail in the toploader coffin. Make them horrible to give toploaders a poor reputation and then discontinue them. -Tim | ||
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Post# 472704 , Reply# 5 10/31/2010 at 21:54 (4,918 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas) |
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I can't remember right now
but someone here had shot a few videos of the Kenmore oasis when it came out, and they had gotten it. There was a whole segment on youtube showing the entire process. Looking at the above video, I think I'd rather have the older oasis. It seemed to do more spray rinses, and the deep rinse was deeper. Maybe it's just me but I'm with appnut on this one, I'll keep my frontloader.
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Post# 472713 , Reply# 6 10/31/2010 at 22:29 (4,918 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Oasis | ||
| Post# 472746 , Reply# 7 11/1/2010 at 00:33 (4,918 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
The only good thing is the trance music! Extremely harsh -- the weight of the load on the wash plate and the speed the plate needs to turn to move the load, along with not enough water to keep soil suspended and only agitation on the washplate. I bet there is more soil redistribution than there is removal. Ick.
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| Post# 472747 , Reply# 8 11/1/2010 at 01:20 (4,918 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
Yep, I agree
the video just confirms my feelings on any brand of these new "wash plate" machines, Im not impressed. where is the rollover?? beating the life out of clothes with a quart of water is not my idea of washing clothes and getting them clean efficiently. I'll keep my Korean made LG front load washer.
Rich | ||
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Post# 472836 , Reply# 9 11/1/2010 at 14:50 (4,917 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Although I have no experience with a wash plate/impeller top-loader, they appear to be quite harsh on fabrics, grinding away with so little water.
I also don't agree that the newest front-loaders that use very, very little water are as tough on fabrics as an impeller top-loader. I would love to take two identical loads of dress shirts and black Dockers (have you guessed what I wear to work, LOL?) and wash one load repeatedly in an impeller-based top-loader, and the other in my ultra-low water usage front-loader. It would be interesting to see which load is the first to show signs of worn/frayed edges. This would be along the zipper flap and at hemlines on pants; at the tips and folds of collars and the edges of cuffs on shirts. I'd be willing to bet the farm that the load washed in the front-loader would show less wear. | ||
| Post# 473010 , Reply# 10 11/2/2010 at 13:49 (4,916 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY) | ||
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Low Water FL vs TL
I also agree Eugene, with smaller amounts of water, the FL machine seems more natural. You're pretty much just dunking the clothes in a small pool. That doesn't SEEM that harsh at all. I know when I overload my GE portable machine with too many clothes for the water level, there is noticeable wear on somethings and it is a small impeller drive machine.
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| Post# 473181 , Reply# 11 11/3/2010 at 09:28 (4,915 days old) by wvkenmore (Wv) | ||
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Cabrio I have a cabrio that I got a killer deal on ($175.00) and the water savings is a myth. I have had to rewash whites 3 times to get clean and have jeans in now that are on their second wash. They were just as dirty as when I put them In. I think I m taking it back | ||
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Post# 473185 , Reply# 12 11/3/2010 at 09:35 (4,915 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 473213 , Reply# 14 11/3/2010 at 11:46 (4,915 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
Yes.........So confusing...........You have some people saying that they have to rewash things a few times because they don't come clean, then you have other people saying that put very soiled items in and they came out perfectly clean.........So what's a person to do? LOL..............Personally, I don't like the wash action at all but I think Whirlpool certainly tests these machines with soiled items before beginning mass production........AT least I hope so
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Post# 473217 , Reply# 15 11/3/2010 at 12:01 (4,915 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 473238 , Reply# 16 11/3/2010 at 14:20 (4,915 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 Cabrio agitator models are pretty much comparable to F&P agitator machines. The fellow in that clip says it's on the Heavy Duty cycle, the "agitation is very fast." F&P heavy cycle is more intense than that. The SmartDrive motor is a DC-powered stepper motor and can be controlled to any rotational pattern and speed by changing the software. | ||
| Post# 473272 , Reply# 17 11/3/2010 at 19:19 (4,915 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY) | ||
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Tests
I'd love to have one to try, but not at the prices they ask for them. I also still don't buy that they're better than what they're replacing though. I'm sure they use less water, but while you may load the clothes through the top of the machine, this is not really a "top-loader" as many of us have come to know and love. Frankly I don't think it's a very innovative machine at all with it's principle.
I also think the drum size promotes overloading and I REALLY doubt it would move anything well if overloaded, and with nowhere for the clothes to go, I can see the clothes towards the bottom of the tub getting rubbed pretty hard. People I talk to (mostly coworkers) seem amazed at the tub size, but how much of that is usable? I can't see filling the machine up to the brim with towels and it moving much, which I'm sure people will do. For whatever reason, these machines really bother me. I think it will however be interesting to see how they perform once they're into circulation a bit more. I almost think these exist to make the front-loader look better. I think FL'ers will certainly outwash one of these, plus they're gentler. It's like the toploader is dead already but they have to put something out that meets the new water requirements from the gov't. This machine is just for people who know nothing else but a toploader. I think most people's next purchase after these machines will be a FL. -Tim | ||
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Post# 473320 , Reply# 19 11/4/2010 at 01:08 (4,915 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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No belt. The basket sits on a collar on the motor shaft, the agitator bolts to the shaft inside the basket. The basket floats upward about 3/8" when the tub fills to disengage from the drive collar so the agitator can oscillate separately. As stated above, the SmartDrive motor is a 3-phase, brushless, (in this case, 36-pole, 48-magnet), DC-powered stepper mechanism that is entirely software controlled. A rotor position sensor gives the control board feedback to monitor rotational distance and speed. I don't think the video clip shows a full fill/load. | ||
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Post# 473362 , Reply# 21 11/4/2010 at 10:33 (4,914 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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Just a thought...
Perhaps the lid locks during agitation to prevent people from adding clothes as it is filling and sensing - doing so may confuse the sensing process. Another reason may be to prevent additional items from being added. If users have to pause the machine in order to add more clothes, then the machine will have a chance to sense if anything was added and adjust the water level.
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