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Thread Number: 31433
FL Machines Really Do Clean! |
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| Post# 474288 , Reply# 1 11/9/2010 at 23:21 (4,909 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 474295 , Reply# 4 11/10/2010 at 01:06 (4,909 days old) by Launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Well If You Mean "Commercial" Front Loaders
Then yes, they do clean quite well. OTHO if you are referring to those modern domestic units that trickle a bit of water into the drum, then roll clothes about, I wouldn't be too sure! *LOL*
Have three washing machines; the Hoover TT, older Whirlpool "convertible" and the Miele. Anything that is really soiled/stained goes into the last,no questions period. Know one will get slammed for this, but a properly loaded, chemically dosed and allowed enough water to get the job done, will out clean most if not all top loading washing machines without all the palaver of pre-treating/soaking/washing. Laundering bulky items in today's front loaders can be tricky because they simply do not use enough water. Also since it seems the darn fools responsible for design have been got at by "tree huggers", it is hard to find work arounds to add more water if needed. Those large commercial machines are great for many reasons, one in particular is because there is enough room inside the drum for "lifting and dropping" of wash. This action along with a nice healthy water level does make a difference. It is why with proper chemicals and water temps you can get things clean with <15 minutes of wash time, versus the 30 minutes (or longer) of some domestic machines. | ||
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Post# 474319 , Reply# 5 11/10/2010 at 06:18 (4,909 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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My new-issue Frigidaire uses very little water and it actually cleans remarkably well. However....it would probably not be too successful handling a large amount of dog vomit. If you were to shake most of the dried debris off the comforter, then I'd have no problem recommending washing it in a modern front-loader.
If copious amounts of dog vomit are not a regular part of your laundry grime, then yes, new front-loaders clean very well. I've washed comforters and blankets laden with cat hair (after giving them a shake-out first, of course) and my ultra-low water use washer handled them just fine. Quite a bit of pet hair was removed by the washer, and the rest was caught in the dryer's filter. While I find watching vintage front-loaders in action far more enjoyable than watching a front-loader, I'll take a front-loader---especially a new one, with huge capacity and uber-fast spin speeds---over a top-loader as my daily driver every time. My washer cleans a huge load highly stained kitchen whites using about 17 gallons of water (including a prewash and extra rinse). The results are always flawless; the load is dry in about 35 minutes. Can't argue with performance like that! | ||
| Post# 474324 , Reply# 6 11/10/2010 at 06:48 (4,909 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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Before I went to the coin op, I put the comforter on the driveway and swept all the excess "debris" off of it. But is sure did have some nasty stains on it. But when it happened I kept asking myself "why does this have to happen when I am sick?" Normally none of our dogs throw up very often. It's a rare instance. | ||
| Post# 474332 , Reply# 7 11/10/2010 at 08:42 (4,909 days old) by amyswasher () | ||
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Animals can catch illnesses from people, and vise-versa. | ||
| Post# 474337 , Reply# 8 11/10/2010 at 08:59 (4,909 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI) | ||
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I forgot to mention that the FL machines at our local laundromat, which are IPSO machines of all sizes, use less water than our Frigidaire and do not clean well at all. | ||
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Post# 474339 , Reply# 9 11/10/2010 at 09:02 (4,909 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 474408 , Reply# 11 11/10/2010 at 15:57 (4,908 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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In Both Commercial and Domestic Laundry Settings
Amercians by and large are wedded to using chlorine bleach for stain removal/whitening where possible, hence the "short" cycles.
As for water temperature and control, frontloading commercial and laundromat washing machines can be set for either automatic temperature control, and or connected to a source to supply heat (steam, electric and or gas). Most laundromats do not bother with heating as in introduces more costs. What all commercial laundromats and laundries do have are recirculating pumps that keep the water from the heater moving about so there isn't the cold water "lag" when machine fills. Hot water going into the machine can be as hot as the heater is set (though most machines probably have some limit set by the maker, usually around 160F or less to protect incoming water valves and so forth), some laundries/laundromat machines will inject various amounts of cold water as the machine fills, even on "hot" to prevent using too high a water temperature, others simply take what is given. Again this is all controlled by the owner of the laundry/laundromat. All things being equal, two "short" washes are better for cleaning very soiled laundry than one long cycle. Especially with American laundry detergents which by and large are designed for short wash cycles usually found in top loading washing machines. Indeed until recently no such thing as "HE" detergent exsisted on these shores, well ok, there was "controlled suds" detergent, but by and large Amercians use whatever detergent (normally designed for top loading machines), in laundromat washers. As the amount of water used for the wash cycle is decreased, the length of the wash cycle must increase to compensate. Otherwise there is a very real risk all laundry will not be saturated with the detergent/water solution thus cleaned. Domestic front loading washing machines have greatly increased their wash times over the past few years, this is in response to "Energy Star" ratings causing them to use less water. However as even "Consumer Reports" has finally noticed this can and often does lead to increased wear on laundry. Long cycle times coupled with low water levels increase not only the friction of wash action, but the length of time wash is exposed to such. | ||
| Post# 474410 , Reply# 12 11/10/2010 at 16:47 (4,908 days old) by supremewhirlpol () | ||
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IPSO COMMERCIAL FL MACHINES CLEAN QUITE WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!! | ||
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Post# 474416 , Reply# 14 11/10/2010 at 18:25 (4,908 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Commerical & Laundromat Washers In The US
By and large do a cold or warm water "pre-wash" before the main cycle, often regardless of the temperature chosen for the later cycle.
Being as this may, now that computer controls are making headways into laundromat washers, in the name of energy savings, some programs allow one to skip pre-wash and or charge extra for hot water washes. American laundry detergents by and large are designed to work quite quickly, again because of the short cycles(top loaders) on these shores have. Case in point; did a load of badly soiled table linens last night in the Miele using the newer version of Tide "HE" "Free and Clear" liquid. Since the boilers are now on (heating season) water out of our taps is >130F, so in an effort to save a bit on electric by avoiding having the Miele do a cold to 120F or 140F wash (my main setting to get good bleaching action for certain stains), did a cold pre-wash first using a bit of Tide, then onto a "hot" wash using a hot fill and boosting temp the rest of the way up. After the pre-wash water drained, decided to peep at the wash in order to see if any stains were left that could be set by incoming very hot water. To my surprise the linens were almost totally clean. Not sure how long the pre-wash is on my older Miele, but it is much less than the wash cycle, and am guessing <10 mins. | ||
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Post# 474429 , Reply# 15 11/10/2010 at 21:33 (4,908 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Launderess, I discovered the same thing with a load of stained kitchen whites. The washer had just drained the pre-wash water, and I noticed a stray black sock in the load. While digging around in the load to locate and remove the sock, I noticed that many of the stains were already gone, or nearly so. The pre-wash is 10 minutes in temp-controlled cold water on my Frigidaire.
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| Post# 474433 , Reply# 16 11/10/2010 at 23:25 (4,908 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
Animals can catch illnesses from people, and vise-versa. | ||
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Post# 474492 , Reply# 19 11/11/2010 at 13:25 (4,907 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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My 2002 Frigidaire front-loader used far more water than my new one does. The new machine cleans extremely well---and it should, considering the very concentrated detergent solution in the tub.
I believe I would have had to use 3-4 capfuls of detergent to get the same concentration in my old machine; and my laundry room would have been full of suds. | ||
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Post# 474561 , Reply# 20 11/12/2010 at 00:15 (4,907 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Much As One Loves The "Coolness" of A Top Loading Wa
Methinks sooner or later the Whirlpool will be gifted to a family member. So many of my older relatives are downsizing into smaller homes, and would welcome the unit.
American "HE" detergents by and large are the same as their higher sudsing cousins, just a bit of foam control agents added. So it makes sense such detergents have kept their "hit and run" aspects, that is giving good soil and stain removal in a short period of time. Now if only one could squeeze one of these into my laundry room! *LOL* CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK on eBay | ||
| Post# 474566 , Reply# 21 11/12/2010 at 00:25 (4,907 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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Blimey..... | ||
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Post# 474573 , Reply# 22 11/12/2010 at 00:50 (4,907 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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No, I Don't Do Things By Halves | ||
| Post# 474574 , Reply# 23 11/12/2010 at 00:53 (4,907 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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Welll..... | ||
| Post# 474575 , Reply# 24 11/12/2010 at 01:20 (4,907 days old) by dirtybuck (Springfield, MO) | ||
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Oh Laundress... My word! Stop being so picky and choosy. :) | ||
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Post# 474586 , Reply# 25 11/12/2010 at 05:24 (4,907 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York) |
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Gurl....., you gonna need one of these to get all the water out of your towels!
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Post# 474612 , Reply# 26 11/12/2010 at 09:46 (4,907 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Launderess---The Milnor would be great! You'd have the "800-lb. gorilla" of washers, that's for sure...and it could definitely hold a king-size comforter.
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| Post# 474628 , Reply# 27 11/12/2010 at 11:56 (4,906 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
"AFAIK, the only illnesses that could be passed from dogs to humans is hookworms, roundworms and ring worms."
There is also rabies! And while rabies can be prevented by shots, I have known people who have decided "not to bother." As far as I know, none of them had a problem--but that could have changed in a hurry. Fleas are another possible problem. They're said to be able to carry disease (remember the plague?). Past that, they are just plain annoying. | ||
| Post# 474635 , Reply# 28 11/12/2010 at 13:09 (4,906 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Diseases | ||
| Post# 474818 , Reply# 29 11/13/2010 at 10:42 (4,906 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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The fleas or the dogs?
The fleas. I live in an area that has a huge flea problem, and it's something all around that many drives people with dogs crazy.
Although, it's fair to say that dogs have their annoying moments. A few years ago, a roommate had foster care dog that would sleep on my bed at night. It truly tiresome explaining night after night: "This is your half, this is my half. We share the bed! You don't get the whole thing!" Of course, I'm sure dogs would say humans have annoying moments. For example: "That thoughtless human made me take a bath, just because I had fun playing in mud puddles all afternoon!" Or: "That human makes me eat this icky dog food stuff, instead of the GOOD thing HE'S having!" | ||
| Post# 474911 , Reply# 30 11/13/2010 at 21:35 (4,905 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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Texas is very bad when it comes to fleas. If you use a good flea preventative and vacuum your home regularly you can keep the fleas away. I am very allergic to fleas. If I get bit the area swells up a lot. We just switched to Advantage for fleas as Front Line doesn't work anymore. It seems the fleas have adapted. This entire year I haven't seen a flea on any of our 4 dogs. | ||
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Post# 474948 , Reply# 31 11/14/2010 at 06:05 (4,905 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma) |
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Borax is a natural killer of fleas and ants. Just sprinkle some onto your carpets and walk around in it to make it go deep into the pile wait for an hour than vaccuum. kills fleas and their eggs. have been doing this for years and no fleas and no collars or drugs on the dogs. Jon | ||
| Post# 474957 , Reply# 32 11/14/2010 at 06:43 (4,905 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Drugs on Dogs
I am not a big fan of that flea repellant that you apply to the back of the dog's neck. I tried it one time with my dog and it really seemed to irritate him to no end. He stood there looking at me with his head cocked to one side and one of his eyes twitched uncontrollably. I bathed him several times till I thought it was mostly gone. Now I use the medication that you put in his food.
Anyway, the BORAX does work. We used it religously growing up in South Florida. Love that it drove the palmetto bugs away. Malcolm | ||
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Post# 475085 , Reply# 33 11/14/2010 at 17:04 (4,904 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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I can tell you 1950's Bendix front loaders
do clean! I use a warm soak cycle before wash and that seems to take care of most things.
In testing my new detergent "Splash" last month, I set the table with Mom's white linen tablecloth, sure enough a guest spilled a whole ladle of pasta sauce onto it. I let it sit two whole days before attempting a wash in Splash, I used two doses, one for the warm soak cycle and one for the hot wash. It came out brilliant white, partly because of the formulation and partly because of the Bendix front loader with its 20 minute wash cycle. No bleach was used BTW! So front loaders do clean I feel they do it better than top loaders. Now as far as rinseing goes with the new HE machines well thats another topic for another thread. | ||
| Post# 475143 , Reply# 34 11/14/2010 at 21:34 (4,904 days old) by tlee618 () | ||
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Yay Jon, so glad to hear that you are making progress with "Splash"!! Terry | ||
| Post# 475144 , Reply# 35 11/14/2010 at 21:42 (4,904 days old) by dirtybuck (Springfield, MO) | ||
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Back To The Borax For A Second... OK, so if Borax is put on the carpet and then vacuumed up with dead fleas, if there are live fleas in the bag, will it still kill the fleas in there? Will there be any need to change to a new bag? Just curious. | ||
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Post# 475164 , Reply# 36 11/15/2010 at 05:22 (4,904 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma) |
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no everything should be dead in the bag not only from the borax but nothing can live in a vaccuum i believe. not because of the vaccuum machine itself but the term vaccuum. i think it is impossible for anything to breath in a "vaccuum" jon | ||
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Post# 475168 , Reply# 37 11/15/2010 at 06:06 (4,904 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Oh I Don't Know About That
Was watching a news show several weeks ago and they covered that "famous" exterminator who is now on cable televison.
A reporter followed said exterminator around on a call to a local home *INFESTED* with roaches. I mean they were under the fridge, behind the fridge, behind painting/photographs hung on the walls, behind cabinets, in cabinets and so forth. Anyway, as part of his arsenal to deal with bugs,the man sprays some sort of attractant then scoops up the roaches as they come out with a vacuum cleaner (carried on his back via a strap). Reporter asked what happens then (with the bugs in the sack), and exterminator replies "you don't want to know", so one assumes the things aren't all dead in that vacuum bag. | ||
| Post# 475194 , Reply# 39 11/15/2010 at 09:52 (4,904 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Commercial FL Washers | ||
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Post# 475424 , Reply# 40 11/16/2010 at 07:13 (4,903 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Jim---If you like your current Frigidaire washer, you'd love the new ones with the 4.8 cu. ft. tub, and a dryer with a 7.0 cu. ft. drum. The dryer is wonderful: The "Anti-Static" option works very well, and the "Add Steam" option helps keep shirts from wrinkling. I use the "Steam Refresh" cycle all the time, especially for the casual dress pants I wear to work.
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