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Post# 476017   11/18/2010 at 04:52 (4,905 days old) by favorit ()        

I have moved recently, so I needed a TL because of place issues.

I did want a tank built washer but the 1450 € for the Miele W 605 in the store are way too much for my wallet.

Otherwise I didn't want to trash 300-400 € into Indesit/Candy/Whirlpool stuff that lasts just 4 or 5 years.

So I started the hunt on ebay.it and subito.it .... some day later I found a 19 y.o. Miele W794 : same 1200 rpm as the W 605, but I took it home with just 150 €.




Post# 476018 , Reply# 1   11/18/2010 at 05:02 (4,905 days old) by favorit ()        
control fascia

 push buttons from left to right

- lid
- half load (lower level rinses)
- rinse hold (aka "spuelstopp")
- short
- without prewash
- gentle cadence (from 12/3 to 8/7)

cycles are (clockwise) :
- boilwash/coloureds 95°-->> 30°C
- regular permapress 60 -->> 30°C
- delicate permapress 60 -->> tap cold
- woolens 40 -->> tap cold
- starching
- spin only
- drain
- reset

Post# 476019 , Reply# 2   11/18/2010 at 05:08 (4,905 days old) by favorit ()        
inside

 I enjoy the fact it can run a short cycle **with** prewash. My parents Novotronic performs Short OR Prewash not both in the meanwhile ( that is useful for dusty but not stained loads)



Post# 476020 , Reply# 3   11/18/2010 at 05:12 (4,905 days old) by favorit ()        
cylinder

 it has 3 real baffles ... most of current HA toploaders have just one fake, flat plastic baffle

Post# 476026 , Reply# 4   11/18/2010 at 07:14 (4,905 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Congratulations, I think you have spent your 150 € very wisely.
Good luck with it !
I envy you for the full choice of temperatures, wish my modern Miele would still do a 50°, 70° and 80° Bollitura Colorata.

Post# 476077 , Reply# 5   11/18/2010 at 11:38 (4,905 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Aferim!

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What a pretty little machine! And what a great Italian lesson. I think I've learned more languages from reading appliance brochures that from many years in school. What does "Spento" mean? Stop? Off?

Post# 476078 , Reply# 6   11/18/2010 at 11:40 (4,905 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        

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I've used many of these machines in your part of the world and it amazes me, given the number of city dwellers here in the US, that there isn't a market here for them; they're great little washers. They're so much better than the lame-a@@ portable units they sell here.

Post# 476145 , Reply# 7   11/18/2010 at 17:31 (4,904 days old) by favorit ()        
Yes, "Spento" means (switched) off

 is the past participle of "spegnere", a verb that covers all of these cases: "to switch off" an appliance, "to turn off" a car, "to blow out" a candle, "to put out" a fire. This is one of the rare exceptions where italian is simpler than english.
Thank you : now I know what "to put out" stands for :)

BTW I'm very happy about this machine :
- it makes 4 rinses in every cycle (just woolens has 3 ones only)
- it does not wrinkle at all . Last week I I mixed polyester clothes with cotton ones in a cotton 60°C/140°F load. No matter the poly T shirt came out wrinkle free, thanks to the cool down and to the graduated interim spins. Actually the cotton cycle in this machine is pretty close to the permapress of the novotronics

Danke Herr Bollitura (opps Kochwaesche) :))

Post# 476254 , Reply# 8   11/19/2010 at 07:29 (4,904 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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That is a good buy! I love those rapid advance timers!

Post# 476292 , Reply# 9   11/19/2010 at 12:57 (4,904 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
I love those rapid advance timers!

 Spettacolare!!!
Bel pezzo!

Have a nice lanudry!
Diomede

Post# 476331 , Reply# 10   11/19/2010 at 16:09 (4,903 days old) by favorit ()        
Diomede, guarda un po' cosa c'è ad Alessandria !!

 A TRUE Hoover made in Merthyr Tydfil, NOT in Brugherio ;-)



.... and it's a TWIN TUB !!!!



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Post# 476676 , Reply# 11   11/21/2010 at 16:24 (4,901 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
Che bella!

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spento=> "extinguished" as well?

Post# 477159 , Reply# 12   11/23/2010 at 21:23 (4,899 days old) by favorit ()        
Yes Toggles,

 "I pompieri hanno spento (or "hanno estinto") l' incendio (or literally "il fuoco") nella foresta" = "Firemen have extiguished the fire in the forest"

the little girl runs great load after load, have just washed a polycotton sleeping bag with some towels .... just dont' push her over 1000 rpm, otherwise it sounds more than a Lockheed rather than a Miele. After all she's 19 *LOL*

Post# 486177 , Reply# 13   1/3/2011 at 19:51 (4,858 days old) by favorit ()        

the more I use her, the more I love her.

Just miss the Mini (now Express) 40°C programme .... sometimes when I'm in a hurry I need that half an hour cycle is veeeery useful *LOL*

Post# 486202 , Reply# 14   1/3/2011 at 20:41 (4,858 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Quote: the more I use her, the more I love her.

FEH typical man! (ducks and runs)


Gorgeous machine


Post# 486716 , Reply# 15   1/6/2011 at 09:23 (4,856 days old) by mieledani (Madrid, Spain)        

I would like to do short cycles with prewash too!! But it is not possible in modern Mieles.

Congratulations!!

Post# 486801 , Reply# 16   1/6/2011 at 16:33 (4,855 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        

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Yes you can do prewash and short option with modern Miele washing machines. I have a W 3985 WPS and W 5949 WPS LiquidWash and its possible with both machines. What models are you talking about Mieledani?

Cheers

Post# 487015 , Reply# 17   1/7/2011 at 12:38 (4,855 days old) by favorit ()        
short and prewash

 Hi Rod,
what you write is true for TOL models only as those you mention

Guess Daniel means the mid range Novotronic III models - eg W828 W844 W864 - and the Softronic W3264 W3265 W3201 W3205.

All these models have just one button to choose between short OR prewash OR soak OR no option
This is my sister's W844 :

Post# 487018 , Reply# 18   1/7/2011 at 12:51 (4,855 days old) by favorit ()        

as a clue look at Jan-Eric's W961 (TOL Novotronic III model) : it has separate buttons for each option

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Post# 487214 , Reply# 19   1/8/2011 at 04:16 (4,854 days old) by mieledani (Madrid, Spain)        

As you guess, I have a w828 model: so there is no possible in my Miele a short cycle with prewash. And I would like it specially for Coloured Cottons 40 cycle!!!

Post# 487216 , Reply# 20   1/8/2011 at 04:30 (4,854 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        
Baffles

 I couldn't agree more about the baffles. My last two h-axis TL machines have had those terrible low profile plastic ones desined to be removed so you can access the sump. All very useful but in my opinion, hopeless at correctly turning over smaller loads that just flop, like the clothes in the Dyson advertisment. I am on the lookout for a Miele TL here in the UK but they are as rare as hens teeth. That looks like quite a find!!

Post# 488056 , Reply# 21   1/10/2011 at 20:08 (4,851 days old) by favorit ()        
Hoovermatic

 why H-axis toploaders haven't ever been common in UK ?

- are they too french-style ? (I'm just kiddin' *LOL*)
- maybe most of people need to fit the washer undercounter in the kitchen ?

Post# 488109 , Reply# 22   1/10/2011 at 22:24 (4,851 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Favorit,

My W2515 has one options button. Its a mid range variant.

Press it once, get Intensive
Twice get a soak
Three times Get a Prewash (Order May be wrong)
Four times get an Intensive Soak
Five times get an Intensive Prewash
Six Times, no options.

I guess the one pictured could be old enough that short wash with a prewash would be mutally exclusive, but in the last 7-10 years that hasnt been the case.

Post# 488367 , Reply# 23   1/12/2011 at 05:49 (4,850 days old) by favorit ()        

Hi Nathan,
that W844 is not that older than your W2512 *LOL* (1999)

The W2000 machines had default short main wash, so it has been necessary to have the six-step trick on the option button

Later with the W 3000 series Miele went back to default extended main wash. As a clue spot this manual of the W 3204 currently on sale in UK. the option button still works in the very same way as the W800 novotronic III series



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Post# 488368 , Reply# 24   1/12/2011 at 05:51 (4,850 days old) by favorit ()        
options page

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Post# 488450 , Reply# 25   1/12/2011 at 12:58 (4,850 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        
Favorit

 I would think the reason they have never caught on in the UK is the same reason top loaders in general didn't - they don't fit under worktops and now with so many integral appliances being installed, they don't stand a chance. Maybe if UK homes had utility/laundry rooms when automatic machines started to appear on these shores, things might have been different. I understand Bosch have ceased production of their h-axis machine.

Post# 488467 , Reply# 26   1/12/2011 at 13:50 (4,850 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Bosch toploaders

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Bosch no longer manufactures toploaders in Germany. IIRC they are being manufactured in Spain now. In Germany Bosch sells 8 models of those H-axis toploaders. See link for the model range.

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Post# 488518 , Reply# 27   1/12/2011 at 16:41 (4,849 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

I wish I had access to a range of machines like that! They look fabulous. I wonder, now that production is being moved to Spain, if we will still have the option to buy in the UK at all or if the range will change?

Post# 488601 , Reply# 28   1/13/2011 at 00:08 (4,849 days old) by favorit ()        
Hoovermatic, check WP UK

 They still have one HA TL. IIRC it is made by Polar (now WP) plants in Czech Republic






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Post# 496348 , Reply# 29   2/14/2011 at 03:03 (4,817 days old) by favorit ()        
the challenge

 Last week I came back from Ikea with a thicker bed pillow. I threw it in the W794 and ran 3 times the "starch" cycle (actually a single rinse + spin), the first one with a bit of detergent, the last two acted as rinses.

We can't say a 50x80 cm pillow (somewhat 20"x32") is the best load for a perfectly balanced spin ..... I was ready for some noise ( this baby is steady no matter of the balance) ..... anyway all 3 spins were perfectly balanced and thanks to those 1200 rpm some hours later I could sleep with my new pillow


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