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KitchenAid KDS - 19
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Post# 476747   11/21/2010 at 19:39 (4,897 days old) by variflexpghpa (Pittsburgh, PA)        

A friend bought a house recently and I went to see it today. During the tour stop in the kitchen I spotted the dishwasher and immediately went over to it to inspect. The inside is pristine and I told my friend that this is a great dishwasher.
My friend replied it doesnt work, dishes come out dirtier then when they go in and we are getting rid of it. Besides the service guy that came out to look at it told me that its way to old to fix and parts arent available.

I said let me see whats wrong with it. I started it, the motor ran and it began to fill. I was kinda figuring that with the age, the fill valve might be clogged and a low water level could be the problem. It filled completely but there was very little water action sound. I stopped it, started it again and heard the initial water blast, then nothing.

Investigating a little more, I removed the wash arm and took out the fine screen filter. When I looked at the filter it was totally covered with accumulated crud, and infact you could not even see light thru it. I put the wash arm back in, closed the door and hit the button. The KA roared to life with water action. My friend said, it never sounded like that. Obviously the crud was enough to starve the pump. After a good soaking and scrub the filter looked like new and it was reinstalled. The DW ran perfectly, and as a further tuneup the clogged wash arm jets were cleaned out.

I then looked at the pile of dishes in the sink and said to my friend watch what this DW will do to these dishes. I put the dishes in without rinsing them off and let the KA do its thing. About an hour later I showed my friend the proof... a spotless load of dishes.

But here is my real question about this DW. It pauses alot for water heating which in the scheme of things is really not necessary, as the water in the house is about 140. So if I bypass the thermostat, do you think that would cause any problems? I dont think so, but I would like some comments from the KA experts before I would do this.

Thanks for your help


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Post# 476748 , Reply# 1   11/21/2010 at 19:46 (4,897 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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My suggestion is to turn the temperature down on the water heater and leave the dishwasher alone!

Gordon


Post# 476751 , Reply# 2   11/21/2010 at 19:56 (4,897 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Absolutely, what he said!

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I second that.

Post# 476767 , Reply# 3   11/21/2010 at 20:46 (4,897 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
KDS 19 WATER HEATING

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You would save money on water heating by turning your water down to 120, but if you don't want to or can't turn down the water heater down bypassing the thermostat that delays the timer on the dishwasher is an excellent idea. I have bypassed many delay heating thromostats on KA dishwashers where people didn't want all the delayed water heating and the machine will still work well and last longer.

Post# 476774 , Reply# 4   11/21/2010 at 21:24 (4,897 days old) by VintageDW ()        
Great story...

Unfortunately the link doesn't work. Would love to see pictures of it.

Post# 476824 , Reply# 5   11/21/2010 at 23:36 (4,897 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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It pauses alot for water heating which in the scheme of things is really not necessary

Sounds like someone used the "Pots and Pans" cycle, lol. No need for that cycle! The "Normal" wash cycle will take care of 99% of your needs: Fill, Preheat, wash, drain, fill, wash, drain, fill, wash, drain, fill, main wash, drain, rinse, sani rinse (pre-heated), dry.

If your have a REALLY dirty load and want a pre-rinse before the first heated fill, use the "Heavy" cycle.

As the water in the house is about 140.

It may be 140F at the water heater, but by the time it gets to the tap, it's at least 15-20F cooler. Once the water hits the cold porcelain cabinet, that's even less temp. By now, you're probably sitting at about 100F or less. The temps gets even lower when the water starts being thrown around the cabinet and dishes.


Post# 476828 , Reply# 6   11/22/2010 at 00:07 (4,897 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
KDS - 19

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My family had a KDS - 19 for about 25 years. It was a good machine but you needed to use jetdry to make sure you got excellent results for drying. The 1st water fill took about 15 minutes to heat and for the last rinse about 8 minutes. Always spotless results. These water heating delays on the 19 series heated the water to 150.
Peter


Post# 476857 , Reply# 7   11/22/2010 at 03:47 (4,897 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
I had this machine

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Excellent machine. I'd leave it alone.

As a old gent used to say "Let the sleeping dog lie".


Post# 476865 , Reply# 8   11/22/2010 at 05:46 (4,897 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I"d leave it alone too. it was designeed to function a certain way. Peter, do you have the cycle & feature comparison chart you can scan? Thank you.

Post# 476869 , Reply# 9   11/22/2010 at 06:25 (4,897 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
KitchenAid!

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Hi Bob - no I have stuff for the 18 series. I will search surgulator for more information!
Peter


Post# 476956 , Reply# 10   11/22/2010 at 14:39 (4,896 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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do you have the cycle & feature comparison chart you can scan?

I found a KDS-19 for my buddy a few months back and when he picked it up, it came with all of the original paperwork and manual. I'll try to scan all 18 pages within the next couple of days.


Post# 477595 , Reply# 11   11/26/2010 at 04:40 (4,893 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)        

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Post# 477596 , Reply# 12   11/26/2010 at 04:54 (4,893 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)        
KDS-19

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Cool brochure, Peter. I don't have any experience with the 19s or 18s. Is it something worth looking into?

Post# 477654 , Reply# 13   11/26/2010 at 10:43 (4,892 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
KitchenAid!

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Yesd it is worth it. The 19 is completly different design than the 18 but both teriffic designs.
Peter



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