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Post# 477107   11/23/2010 at 12:22 (4,874 days old) by mike (Indianapolis, Indiana)   |   | |
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I was wondering if I could hook a 220V european Miele dishwasher to US 220V power. I have done this with a Delonghi stove but was not sure about this unit or if it had been done. Thanks |
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Post# 477114 , Reply# 1   11/23/2010 at 13:02 (4,874 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 477146 , Reply# 2   11/23/2010 at 19:15 (4,873 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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The european versions should work on 240 volt power 60hz power, and the nice thing is that the main pump will run 15% faster and the water heater should also put out a little more heat, maybe the darned thing could actually wash dishes LOL. I usually don't work on Miele appliances but yesterday I checked out a Miele model G870 SC thats maybe 5 years old for a very good customer. Two years ago I put a complete main pump & motor assembly in this machine at a cost to the customer of almost $500. Yesterday I found the motor is stalled again and may require another $500 repair. Needless to say she is not going to do it again, a new KM ultra wash standard tub machine will be installed in the next week or so at a lower cost than repairing this thing again. If anyone wants the old one get in touch, it has a beautiful SS front and built in water softener and still has a mechanical timer. Otherwise it will be recycled.
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Post# 477151 , Reply# 3   11/23/2010 at 20:19 (4,873 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 477152 , Reply# 4   11/23/2010 at 20:22 (4,873 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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...or maybe it's just a crap machine. |
Post# 477206 , Reply# 5   11/24/2010 at 07:39 (4,873 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Mike I am sure that model is older than 5 years our customer bought it brand new at an appliance distributor that sells overstocks and last years models etc. Earlier this summer we removed another Miele DW that was less than 5 years old that the factory service said NOT REPAIRABLE it also had a locked up main pump and motor. That one I gave to Bob of Hollywood along with a Miele cond dryer and Miele FL washer and he got them all running. I do think the Mieles are pretty well made but they are too much like Audis and Mercedes Benz cars for me I am not willing to spend the amount of money they want for parts and they are far more difficult to work on. The DW was a ridiculous amount of work to install the replacement pump and that was after you had to uninstall the whole machine and turn it on its side. I am not a big fan of any European dishwashers I have used they are generally too small inside, the racks don't allow random loading so pots & pans etc are very hard to wash, to say nothing of the nasty stinky mess that stays in the sump and filter area after a cycle.
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Post# 477208 , Reply# 6   11/24/2010 at 07:59 (4,873 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Its customer misuse!!!
Hi John, love your tell it like it is talk...at least you see it all first hand...LOL I`m sure its always gonna be you stick to yours and we`ll stick to what we are used to... NOWTHEN...any ideas why the motor & pump would seize in that timescale?? would you know if they used the salt softener on these machines?? Intreagued, Mike |
Post# 477275 , Reply# 10   11/24/2010 at 14:01 (4,873 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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According to a Miele repairman a common reason for the recirculation pump freezing up is prerinsing. Miele circulation pumps need the grease from the dishes, if the dishes get prerinsed all the time the pump will freeze eventually.
I prefer a European dishwasher too. My fifteen year old AEG dishwasher has a stainless steel interior, makes only 45dB noise and I find it easier to load that a lot of the American dishwashers I have seen. It's partly a difference in dinnerware we use. Lots of plates I have used were much thicker than the average European stuff. I didn't like the straight up standing tines in some American dishwashers. |
Post# 477282 , Reply# 11   11/24/2010 at 14:18 (4,873 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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I have a Miele dishwasher and I dont encounter any of what you stated Combo. I do random load and pots and pans can be loaded in both racks..randomly. It also holds alot of dishes and I dont find the capacity any smaller than an American dishwasher. But as far as servicing...I will have to give it to you for that since one does have to take the machine out of the cabinet and place on the side just to get to the pumps/motors. I have had my machine now for 3+ years and not one issue. She runs like the first day I got it. I will never ever buy an American built dishwasher again. Once you go Miele you dont go back.
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Post# 477295 , Reply# 12   11/24/2010 at 15:25 (4,873 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)   |   | |
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Methinks that is classed as operator error. You're supposed to scrape the worst off, then place in the machine. No problems with our european machines here, either. |
Post# 477439 , Reply# 13   11/25/2010 at 08:12 (4,872 days old) by bewitched (Italy)   |   | |
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I owned (and still own) many Miele dishwashers and never found a stuck motor. Maybe the problem is just the impeller stuck with some food particle. The impeller can be easily removed and replaced without changing all the motor assembly |
Post# 477440 , Reply# 14   11/25/2010 at 08:52 (4,872 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Mike the customer with two pump failures did not use the water softener feature. I showed her how apron the installation of the first replacement pump but when I rechecked the machine with its 2nd stuck motor-pump I found she never used it. The other Miele DW also had a stuck seal that was freed and given to Bob of Hollywood, these problems may have had to do with use conditions. Louis you make an excellent point about the possible harm to the dishwasher when oils etc are rinsed off dishes prior to being loaded into the DW. I have always said the worst thing you can do to ANY dishwasher is to pre-rinse the dishes, the oils help protect and prolong the life pump seals plastic & rubber parts and the dishes them selves. The sugars are natural water softeners and the food acids [ orange juice , tomato products ] help prevent and remove rust stains etc on the machine and dishes.
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