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I love my Whirlpool WFW9750WW with warm rinse
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Post# 482970   12/20/2010 at 16:18 (2,380 days old) by charlesp210 ()        

In previous thread, I agonized over which washing machine to buy, ended up with Whirpool WFW9750WW, which is the top-of-the-line Steam Duet but in the 4.5 cuft category (far less expensive than the top-of-the-line in 5.0 cuft). My research was based on commentary here as well as reading back through about 4 years of Consumer Reports (never just go with the latest findings, but see how things have changed or stayed the same over time). I noticed that over time the step down size models seem to have generally best washing/gentleness performance, somewhat canceling out a tendency for fancier models (Whirl-tags anyway) actually to have slightly worse combined performance.

One key benefit is relatively short cycle times for a front loader, combined with "very good" (but not excellent) rated performance both for gentleness and washing performance. And lots of features including Whirl-tag exclusive FanFresh.

I've had this now for about a month, and very much like the features and the way it works. It's true, like most or all modern Tier 3 water saving FL it uses very little water in the wash cycle. It's hard to see any water in the drum unless it's empty. But then it turns out the "wash" cycle doesn't actually last that long in this machine. The bulk of time is spent in the "rinse" cycle which has considerably more water, almost looking like (if not quite as good as) the video I saw here of Speed Queen. You could almost think of the wash cycle as a kind of detergent rich motion-enhanced "soak" cycle, followed by wash/rinse cycle that actually removes the dirt.

One curious thing about my machine, it's actually made in Germany according to the sticker on the front door. Funny if you buy actual German branded machines you may get one made in USA (Bosch) or Mexico (some Miele), but I got one buying an American brand mostly known for manufacturing washers in Mexico these days.

I have to be very very stingy with HE liquid detergent, even more so than with my Calypso. But yesterday I discovered the real trick to eliminating detergent fragrance from the clothes. It's been said here many times. Warm water rinse. Yesterday I ran my load of sheets and pillowcases in one load (used to take two loads in Calypso to get reasonably clean) with warm water rinse and max rinse selected (and with the extra time consuming Bulky cycle, so total time was 1:24, which is very long for this machine). Wow did that work well. I don't ever remember having my sheets so soft (I never use softener), clean, and totally free of liquid detergent smell (I'm currently using up my bottle of regular Cheer liquid HE).

I think I'm sold on warm water rinsing.

With cold water rinsing, I was noticing somewhat more liquid detergent smell than with my old Calypso (which was great for rinsing out anything water constantly pours water over everything).

I used to be afraid that warm water rinse would leave more minerals from the water heater. I certainly wouldn't drink warm water from the tap. But the whole point of washing machine is to remove stuff from clothes, and if it can remove the liquid cheer scent, it can remove just about anything.

Even though this is a highly featured model, it is annoying that it lacks any sort of memory for previous settings (once you have fully canceled a cycle by pressing stop twice). This is especially true of the FanFresh option. If it were up to me, I'd just set FanFresh to remain selected all the time, though at this time my machine has zero smell anyway now. Even with very simple controls, my Real Maytag Neptune Dryer always remembers the last settings for any kind of selection, so if you select Auto Dry it remembers the last temperature and dryness you selected for Auto Dry, which I think is nice. Whirlpool washers seem to have that feature only for the largest drum size (which uses LCD rather than LED display).

Post# 483050 , Reply# 1   12/20/2010 at 22:39 (2,380 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Charles, good to hear from ya. I was thinkin about ya this weekend and wonderin how the new machine was working out.

Post# 483078 , Reply# 2   12/21/2010 at 00:40 (2,380 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

And when you use warm water rinsing the clothes seem to come out softer even without fabric softener.
Warm water rinsing releases more of the soap residue from the clothes.

Post# 483155 , Reply# 3   12/21/2010 at 10:30 (2,379 days old) by dirtybuck (Springfield, MO)        

I agree. Even when I was younger and at home, I always did warm water rinsing. When I got out on my own and did laundry at the laundromat, I'd choose it if it were offered.

Post# 483183 , Reply# 4   12/21/2010 at 13:04 (2,379 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
I wonder what the spider looks like?

Sears shows entire basket assembly as #11 for 322 bucks, I guess with the spider.

W10283352 is the basket part number. A google search of this gave prices from 460 to 306 bucks but with no images.

I wonder if the German made basket assembly has an isolated aluminum spider like an old Neptune, or a beefy thick one like a Meile, or the same thin aluminum casting that most use directly connected to the Stainless steel basket?


Post# 483557 , Reply# 5   12/22/2010 at 17:10 (2,378 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)        

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Whirlpool has been co-producing them in Germany since the beginning of their modern front load program I believe?

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Post# 483655 , Reply# 6   12/22/2010 at 23:43 (2,378 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        

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I did see this video a long time ago. I don't believe the consumer had anything to say in the design. First of all consumers want something easy to operate and something that can get the job done more quickly. And also most people arent going to be happy :( to spend all that money like they make it sound. Typical political BS - they will always make it sound correct to their advantage.

Post# 483659 , Reply# 7   12/23/2010 at 00:00 (2,378 days old) by charlesp210 ()        

Also the video say much about what manufacturing or engineering is actually done in Germany. That would really be telling us something.

Was Whirlpool actually the first with a factory-made pedestal, as they seem to claim?

Actually, about their biggest boast is that they were able to increase the number of customers buying washer and dryer together. Well, that's good marketing and definitely good for Whirlpool, I suppose, but I'm not sure what benefit that actually has for the consumer, say, in replacing perfectly good dryer, which I did not do, and see no reason to do, but them I'm not as style conscious as some people.

Post# 483665 , Reply# 8   12/23/2010 at 00:10 (2,378 days old) by charlesp210 ()        

I meant to say it DOESN'T say much about what is done in Germany or anywhere else specifically.

Post# 483692 , Reply# 9   12/23/2010 at 05:50 (2,378 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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From noticing CraigsList and other avenues of used appliance sales, as well as many personal friends, when the washer goes, they want a matched set again. I have friends in Abilene that need a new dryer. they've picked out a Cabrio dryer and will save for the matching washer. they want another matched set. I'm trying to get them to see beyond style, it's not always the best combination of performance when you have matched set. Since I'm not a fan of pancaked laundry washing, I'm trying to get them to opt. for a front load washer when the time comes. Having to send them video links from youtube for the pancake washing.

Post# 483707 , Reply# 10   12/23/2010 at 07:34 (2,378 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)        

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Pancake washing?

When my mom's WP went out, they replaced it with a Cabrio (for a bit more $). Drove me nuts to see it beside the traditional dryer (she had the agitator Cabrio), when the Cabrio went out 14 months (yes, months) later, I bought her a traditional WP TL (still going!). By that time, they had started down grading the styling on their "old style" washers (have you noticed how stark/crappy they are making them--and how nice the FL look?)...anyway, even though both machines are traditional TL, the different control panels still drive me bonkers everytime I visit. She could care less as long as it runs. Go figure.

I also found it funny that the "related" videos to the above were about all the problems those washers had. My Cabrio was a relationship breaker for me with WP.

There was a salezguy (looked like Ron Popeil) at Best Buy the other day saying that he had NEVER had ANY of HIS customers tell him that their front loader washer leaked and that they only smelled because people used to much detergent (which is possibly one reason). He also started bashing "old" technology top loader (and cheaper) washers--stating that they cleaned much worse. He seemed very slimmy...was hard to restrain from chiming in. /rant

Post# 483828 , Reply# 11   12/23/2010 at 16:49 (2,377 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Yea; they invented the FL washer pedestal! :)

Rant on! :)

THE VIDEO at about 3 minutes goes into designing a base/pedestal for the Whirlpool washer. As an Engineer, this marketing BS comes off a a con job; ie slime. It it just feel good stuff , and insulting since I actually helped place a 260 Lb Westy on a neighbors new pedestal back when Ford was president.

At 3:27 is says the pedestal was born, it really means you just reused an American design from 1/3 century ago, that actually went into production.

At 3:45 they discovered folks like a window to see what is happening with a FL washer. Betty Furness showed the public this on TV over 1/2 century ago.

Here the 1976 Westinghouse FL washer had an option for a pedestal. It too had a storage bin. Thus the whole idea was already thought out, designed, built in Ohio over 1/3 century ago.

Here I would pay 100 to 150 more for a solid stainless spider; and less features too.

Post# 483839 , Reply# 12   12/23/2010 at 17:52 (2,377 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)        

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God I love the awesomeness of the people on this site! :D Thanks 3beltwesty!

Post# 484110 , Reply# 13   12/24/2010 at 16:03 (2,376 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
in retrospect

Having a pedestal on an old 3 belt machine is actually rather super rare. The image I posted is where the unit was hawked as a set.

Thus in retrospec since before say 1990 most Americans did not use a FL washer and few if any bought a pedestal, or pedestal version before modern times may not have been known by the Duet chaps.

Thus they believe they invented the hoola loop!

The same goes for soap. A 1940's or 1950's Westinghouse FL washer had one using ALL or Dash as a low suds soap.

Then in the late 1990's the HE soap marking came out; and the low suds soap was invented; or "reinvented again"

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