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1960's Kenmore combo
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Post# 483265   12/21/2010 at 20:54 (4,868 days old) by Travis ()        

Guys,

I have the option to buy this. It's in great shape, but unused for 10 years. It has a spare transmission. The seller is asking for an offer. What is a fair offer?

Thanks





Post# 483284 , Reply# 1   12/21/2010 at 21:59 (4,868 days old) by Volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
Bolts.

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Whatever you do, make sure the shipping bolts are in place to secure the suspension. If you don't something will break. There are other threads on what that is and why it is extremely bad.

Good luck,
Dave


Post# 483291 , Reply# 2   12/21/2010 at 22:42 (4,868 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
KM COMBO

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Dave thier are no shipping bolts on 29" KM combos as there is no suspension. There is a balance system thumb screw that you tighten behind the lower front panel [ to the right of the wash filter ] before moving this machine to prevent damage to the balance machoism. Please everyone if you don't know something don't make something up just to say something. I know several very capable appliance repair experts who are saying away from this site because of this nonsense.

Post# 483296 , Reply# 3   12/21/2010 at 23:09 (4,868 days old) by Volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
That's right.

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I knew there was a bolt or something similar that needs to be tightened. The only reason I mentioned it is because it's one of those obscure and easily-missed details that can have severe consequences if missed. Although I've never had my hands on one, I know it has been mentioned before and the best I can do is to say the issue exists and try to refer to a more knowledgeable source. The last thing I want to see is a machine getting damaged unnecessarily because of something small but essential being missed.

Dave


Post# 483298 , Reply# 4   12/21/2010 at 23:10 (4,868 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)        
Coppertone Combo

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Now that machine is a real beauty! Even if I DID come across one of these, I'd be forever in debt to Combo52 on it because I've never seen such a complex washer in my life! That said things like that intrigue me greatly and I learned more at the DC wash-in about these machines than I've even been able to gather on my own from general reading and posting. Seriously you need to see one in action. The balancing system on these is very neat, it makes you wonder how someone thought up such an elaborate system. And of course, the smaller cabinet 29" models have that classic Kenmore look to them. Is that a 67 or 68?

Beautiful machine, be cool to have even if it didn't work...

-Tim


Post# 483300 , Reply# 5   12/21/2010 at 23:32 (4,868 days old) by A440 ()        

This is a great looking combo Travis.
I would hint around and find out what they are looking for as far as price goes.
Then you figure out what you think is fair.
See if they go for it.
I am sure they just want it gone.
Looks to be in very good cosmetic shape!
Brent


Post# 483330 , Reply# 6   12/22/2010 at 03:21 (4,868 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I love mine if I can ever get it

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working again! Mine was heavily used so it has a lot of issues as John can attest too! Together we have been working on that machine for close to 20 years now! That's how many parts there are inside these!

If that's electric go for it at all costs, they are FUN to watch and they DO Everything to the clothes; there are so many dispensers onboard!

With an extra tranny thrown in it's a no brainer,although I would ask why he has one of those on hand! Just how much use did it get really?



Post# 483391 , Reply# 7   12/22/2010 at 07:51 (4,867 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

It looks earlier than 67 going by the control panel styling; more mid 60s before they restyled the panel to have the full width fluorescent light and took the chrome face away from the buttons and timer. I thought 67 was the year of the redesign, but I could be and probably am off by a year. I could also be misinterpreting a small photograph.

From my experience with several, getting it to spin will be the biggest challenge if everything else is OK. There is an air pump on top of the tranny housing driven off an eccentric on the transmission. The leather pieces in the bellows dry out or something and it won't pump air to the air-driven clutches to push the machine from tumble to either intermediate spin or the higher speeds. We worked on mine a few years ago and tried soaking the leather in brake fluid to restore it. It made it work for a day, but after that it did not work properly. Maybe some of those Oil of Oy Vey preparations that promise to turn sun tanned leather back into youthful skin would help. John says the poly-v belt that runs from the back of the tranny to power either the pump or blower is NLA, so if the one on that machine is intact, please handle it with care.


Post# 483399 , Reply# 8   12/22/2010 at 08:30 (4,867 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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Some photos I received from the seller....


Post# 483455 , Reply# 9   12/22/2010 at 12:52 (4,867 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

That does have the newer dial shape, sort of an inverted saucer. Mine had the terminology "Enzyme Super Wash" and the newer sort of tortoise shell control panel. They also went to the term "Wash 'n Dryer" instead of Washer-Dryer on my control panel.

Sears was smart about getting Perma Press clothes clean. When you pressed that button, the dial stopped just before the 10 minute mark, giving a one minute purge of hot water and then a hot fill for the 10 minute wash. Unless the machine was hot from just drying a load, the hot water lost heat to the heavy cylinder and tank so the water was not too hot, but it cleaned permanent press well. Of course, the button gave cold rinses. Later Lady combos had a thermostatically controlled cool down and they could easily run 15 minutes or longer after the heat shut off. When the heat shut off, the timer advanced an increment into that thermostatic cool down but then it held for a long time trying to cool down all of that hot steel.

I see that this machine has a nice buildup of lint behind the cylinder. One of the many neat design elements was that the inlet hose from the water valve became two hoses after the air gap and it filled through two sides of the blower to keep it washed free of lint.


Post# 483472 , Reply# 10   12/22/2010 at 13:43 (4,867 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)        

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I've got a '65 version of this in "doeskin."  I'm still in the process of replacing the wash filter hose (hard to find something comparable) but other than that, the machine works fine.  Yes, there is a bolt behind the lower panel door to tighten before moving.  I bought mine a couple years ago on craigslist for $100.  Good luck!  It's a fun machine!!


Post# 483556 , Reply# 11   12/22/2010 at 17:06 (4,867 days old) by Travis ()        

She's asking $1500 which I feel is too much.  I think that's too much if I lived next door to it.

Post# 483568 , Reply# 12   12/22/2010 at 18:06 (4,867 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Travis: Yeah, she's dreaming of paying some bills with that machine or taking a trip someplace warm for the winter.  It's more than 40 years old, was well used (30+ years) before it was taken out of service if it has not been used for 10 years, is a very complex machine and most parts are NLA.  Before I discussed any price, I would ask to see it run.  If she can't show it operating, it must be considered non-operational.  From the lint buildup behind the cylinder, it was not maintained by Sears (not that they had a tech who even knew what these were after maybe the early 80s).  They probably ran it until it failed in some way.  The scratches on the machine show that it was not babied.

​Washerlover: have you tried looking at automotive radiator hoses for the filter to pump hose?


Post# 483628 , Reply# 13   12/22/2010 at 21:08 (4,867 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
The seller just called me about 30 minutes ago...

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... and YES she says she does want $1500 for it! Yowza! It would seem that she thinks that because #1 it's old and #2 it's so unique and rare, it's worth $1500.
I'm sure many of us here will disagree.

I nicely explained to her the only way this machine COULD possibly have a value approaching 4 digits, was if it were unused and still in the original box with all the original documentation.

She told me , as Travis said above, its been sitting for 10 years, but worked perfectly when she took it out of service (when she moved).

Her boyfriend at the time worked for Sears as an appliance repair tech and suggested she buy the spare transmission before they became NLA.

I would LOVE to have this combo, but for me it's only worth a fraction of her price. Not to mention I'd have to drive 15 hours round trip to go get it!

Kevin




Post# 483634 , Reply# 14   12/22/2010 at 21:40 (4,867 days old) by kenmoreman ( Southern NH)        
$1500.00

To know a combo is to move a combo. They were heavy!!When I was a Sears tech you could see them in the corner because nobody could figue out how to get them out of the basement. You were right about Sears techs because the majority didn't even know where the balance mechanisn was located.

Post# 483696 , Reply# 15   12/23/2010 at 06:04 (4,866 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Well, if it's really that valuable she should probably hang onto it for her old age. As Dolly told Horace, "On those cold winter nights, you can snuggle up to your cash register. It's a little lumpy, but it rings." May she find similar comfort by plugging it in, pushing the "Dry Only" button and enjoying the heat.



Post# 483751 , Reply# 16   12/23/2010 at 11:22 (4,866 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)        

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Wow, $1500 is pretty steep. Mine just had a couple of leaky hoses but works like a champ. (Tomturbomatic: thanks for the idea on the hose...I tried one auto parts store already but will continue the search!)

Post# 483756 , Reply# 17   12/23/2010 at 11:56 (4,866 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Washerlover, you need to access a hose catalog, online perhaps, like if you Google radiator hose so that you can see all of the sizes available: length, diameter, gauge, etc, you know like a personals ad to get exactly what you want or need. Or, you could search a Graingers catalog.

Post# 483767 , Reply# 18   12/23/2010 at 12:50 (4,866 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
Lady Kenmore Combination washer/dryer

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This is the exact combo we got delivered to our home in Baltimore the day president JFK was assassinated (11/22/63)the day before my 7th birthday.Ours was the gas model in turquoise. It washed and dried clothes for a family of 12 and was repaired only twice.It left and was replaced by a bol W'pool top loader.That was 8/17/81.

Post# 483769 , Reply# 19   12/23/2010 at 12:57 (4,866 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
Charlie

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was the tech from Sears who maintained our combo. He'd come out twice a year for maintainance and always had whatever parts were needed right on his truck.He showed me all kinds of stuff regarding the mechanics and,the first visit,he spliced the drum light so that it too would light up when you set the program and started the machine.He specialized in these units.

Post# 483874 , Reply# 20   12/23/2010 at 21:15 (4,866 days old) by spin-it ()        

Does anyone have any info, manuals, specs, mechanical drawings or know where to find some. I am becoming fascinated by these machines after seeing some of the members' wonderful collections and reading the replies. Also interested in the Whirlpool, Bendix Duomatic and the Westy Slant Fronts Combos.










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Post# 484447 , Reply# 21   12/26/2010 at 19:54 (4,863 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)        

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Thank you tomturbomatic for the info. Duh, never thought to go online! Will post pics in a month or so when I finally get my combo up & running!

Post# 485345 , Reply# 22   12/30/2010 at 21:38 (4,859 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I got mine off the dump pile

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for zilch! And it still has taken 20+ years to get back into service, even with Johns help!


$1500 is LALA land



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