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big Problems with Candy/Hoover in Germany
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Post# 485146   12/30/2010 at 03:13 (4,857 days old) by mielemondia757 ()        

Hey guys,
I do not know whether you know it, but in Germany we have massive Problems with really much Candy and Hoover washers

look at this

all washers explode with the same drum and at 1400 or 1600rpm
thats really dangoures





Post# 485147 , Reply# 1   12/30/2010 at 03:14 (4,857 days old) by mielemondia757 ()        
here an other candy

this one was explode when a women was near the washer

Post# 485148 , Reply# 2   12/30/2010 at 03:17 (4,857 days old) by mielemondia757 ()        

This one is a Hoover

Im sorry, I would pst it at deluxe, but i don´t know why I posting here...


Post# 485149 , Reply# 3   12/30/2010 at 03:18 (4,857 days old) by mielemondia757 ()        

OHBOY look at this...
you see the motor there... realy small :D


Post# 485162 , Reply# 4   12/30/2010 at 05:10 (4,857 days old) by SuperElectronic (London, UK)        

We've seen these pictures before - someone else posted them earlier in the year.

Still a shocking state of affairs. Something about a faulty drum weld as I recall.

What is the latest news as of now?

Interesting to see inside the machines, albeit in their mangled state!


Post# 485163 , Reply# 5   12/30/2010 at 05:37 (4,857 days old) by solsburian (SE Northumberland)        

This is also starting to happen with some Indesit/Hotpoint machines as well.

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Post# 485186 , Reply# 6   12/30/2010 at 08:50 (4,857 days old) by nrones ()        
Old, history stuff! Maybe that"s why it"s on "mo

There were about 3 threads, and this is 4th... happend on few machines (just repeating same pictures) only in Germany, and not on all Candy"s in Germany-just a few of them.
Also it happend to Indesit company, And Servis/Ardo/EBD... but ofcourse you will have a nice smart explanation that will tell that Candy is the only one dangerous..
Thank god this stupid case is a history now, and Candy/Hoover products (I know some guys will be sad) is getting more and more positive reviews. (go to www.reevoo.com... www.appliance-reviews.co.uk... , or comet website and see reviews)
By the way here is a picture of a Studio that you had (or still have?)


Post# 485187 , Reply# 7   12/30/2010 at 08:53 (4,857 days old) by nrones ()        
@SuperElectronic

Ofcourse there are no recent news about this.. Maybe nobody would know about it if it didn"t happend at Stiftung warenttest laboratory..
And don"t worry about your paren"ts OPH616 --- it"s not affected aswell as 100000"s Candy/Hoover washers.


Post# 485189 , Reply# 8   12/30/2010 at 09:19 (4,857 days old) by solsburian (SE Northumberland)        

Indesit/Hotpoint are apparently fitting securing braces to thier models that are at risk, this is supposed to fix the issue (that remains to be seen). What are Candy doing with their models that are at risk?

Post# 485191 , Reply# 9   12/30/2010 at 09:25 (4,857 days old) by nrones ()        

Candy made a warning on their website, and anyone with Candy machine can call to check (even they know it"s only few affected machines). Checkup is compleatly free.
But I think they stopped doing that, since probobly no case was reported, and months passed...


Post# 485194 , Reply# 10   12/30/2010 at 09:32 (4,857 days old) by solsburian (SE Northumberland)        

That's good, as far as I know Indesit only released information on their affected models via a tech bulletin that was then leaked.

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Post# 485235 , Reply# 11   12/30/2010 at 13:04 (4,857 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
201 stainless basket maybe with poor weld

The basket on these FL washers are typically today made from 201 stainless. It is a low cost stainless that the raw sheets can be buffed to a high polish. It is not the greatest stainless to weld. 201 stainless is "sort of" a lower cost version of traditional 301 stainless; but with less nickel.



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Post# 485239 , Reply# 12   12/30/2010 at 13:27 (4,857 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
another 201 stainless pdf

another 201 stainless pdf

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Post# 485270 , Reply# 13   12/30/2010 at 15:34 (4,857 days old) by solsburian (SE Northumberland)        

Coincidentally, Hotpoint have recently transitioned from using a screwed drum to the standard Indesit welded drum.

Post# 485271 , Reply# 14   12/30/2010 at 15:38 (4,857 days old) by nrones ()        

Lol I know all about washing machines, except their built (well, I am rating it by experience).
So I think this is a very basic question, but what is screwed, and what is welded drum? :P


Post# 485280 , Reply# 15   12/30/2010 at 16:15 (4,857 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

I used to own a candy nova dishwasher it was junk!!!. it never washed the dishes well and left particals on the plates and bowls it died in 2008 due to circut failiur and lo and behold i now have a zanussi zdf 131 essentials dishwasher.

Post# 485302 , Reply# 16   12/30/2010 at 17:05 (4,857 days old) by solsburian (SE Northumberland)        

@nrones:

My mistake, I'm getting my terms mixed up, I believe the terms screw and welded refer to how the outer tub is assembled.

The older Hotpoint drums have a different drum seam to the Candy and Indesit drums. I’m assuming that the seams could be a weak part in the drum and that could be what’s causing these problems.


Post# 485405 , Reply# 17   12/31/2010 at 00:55 (4,856 days old) by favorit ()        
Candy never produced quality machines

Dex, I don't want to be rude ... but Candy has ever had low pricing as a battlehorse. While other italian manufacturers were used to produce quality but not inexpensive machines - I' m thinking of Ignis, Rex, Zoppas, Triplex and obviously the best one Sangiorgio - Candy never followed this path. Have to admit current Candy machines are far better than the baffle-less rubbish they produced in the seventies.

Look at my link, there's a still working vintage italian made Sangiorgio machine. It is 45 years old and has no sign of rust. It is better built than contemporary Miele machines : its outer tub is not welded but bolted as if it were a pressure water tank ... not a case it weights 130 Kg.

Not to mention that 800 rpm spin : in 1964 Miele washers could only dream about it !! :)


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Post# 485418 , Reply# 18   12/31/2010 at 04:19 (4,856 days old) by nrones ()        
True, but still wired

I don"t know much about 70s and 80s Candy"s. I know that the first Candys from 60s were fine.. and ones like Aquaviva from 90s were AWESOME. My gran still has one of those, and I never seen a washing machine that washes better! When I had my EXCLUSIVE 5000 clothes were shiny white, and it was working for 13years (then it broke beyound repair). I also know that first Candy dishwasher (ones that have 2 doors) were awesome at washing, my gran used to have it from 1975-2001 when sth broke.
But still there"s one thing Candy does--price! It has never been price competitive to others... you pay the same price for less features.. quality isn"t outstanding, but it is being sold everywhere, constantly! There must be something we don"t see, because for now I think that people look for features, or money ;)
That Sangiorgio is impressing! :D


Post# 485450 , Reply# 19   12/31/2010 at 09:52 (4,856 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
RE; So . . . what is screwed, and what is welded drum? :P

The part that rotates that holds ones clothes is often called the "basket" or "washing machine basket" in Engineering lingo.

To start with the 201 series Stainless Steel strip is just a polished thin sheet off a giant roll.

It is cut/punched out in a long rectangle, the long side is the circumference of the basket. It is rolled/bent into its tube shape and either screwed, crimped, welded together or a combo of several methods.

As the spin/extract speed gets higher in newer designs, the "joint/seam" becomes more stressed. Thus a crappy poor joint maybe fine with an ancient 500 rpm extract, but dicey at 1200 rpm. The stress goes up as the square of the rpm. A basket at 1500 rpm has 9 times the stress on the "joint/seam" as one at 500 rpm.


It is made like a "soup" can; that some have a "seam/joint"


This joint is what failed.





Post# 485515 , Reply# 20   12/31/2010 at 16:00 (4,856 days old) by solsburian (SE Northumberland)        

Just for a comparison, here is the drum seam from my parents Hotpoint WF541 that has the recently phased out Hotpoint drum:

Post# 485516 , Reply# 21   12/31/2010 at 16:04 (4,856 days old) by solsburian (SE Northumberland)        

... and here is a pic of our Hoover's drum seam that will have the same kind of seam on the Hoover/Candy machines that exploded. I checked today and the Indesit drum now fitted to Hotpoints also has this kind of seam:

Post# 485576 , Reply# 22   12/31/2010 at 21:18 (4,855 days old) by nrones ()        
Don"t see any price change tbh..

As far as I can see, the WT541"s drum is screwed, and Hoover is the welded?(aswell as the new indesits?)
But it doesn"t seem that screwing is more expencive than welding? Is there sth I misunderstood?

thanks 4 such a proffesional reply! and Happy new year!! :D :D :D


Post# 485648 , Reply# 23   1/1/2011 at 11:46 (4,855 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Welds

Using a few screws would probably be cheaper than welding is my guess. Since 201 stainless is quite "springy" aligning the holes could be not easy. With a decent weld there is one long strong joint. Welding is used with piping, custom stainless ducts in many industries.

In a consumer product, production cost is a massive concern. Thus one might have a crimped joint and just a few tack welds or few screws. In design reviews, wringing out (reducing ) costs matter. Designs are changed to save a few cents. ( 1/100 of a dollar ). If 1 million units are made, saving 5 cents is 50000 dollars. There are folks whose job is to just lower the cost.


As the rpm increases, the design has to be better to have this joint not fail.




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