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Post# 494897   2/8/2011 at 12:52 (4,796 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Hey all I got a box of the new Tide Compact Powder at BJ's 180 loads for $26. Here are a few pics.




Post# 494898 , Reply# 1   2/8/2011 at 12:53 (4,796 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        
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Post# 494899 , Reply# 2   2/8/2011 at 12:53 (4,796 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Post# 494900 , Reply# 3   2/8/2011 at 12:54 (4,796 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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scoop size. The scoop on the left is the new scoop for the Compacted Tide. The one on the right is the normal scoop.

Post# 494901 , Reply# 4   2/8/2011 at 12:55 (4,796 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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dosage for a large load of compacted Tide

Post# 494903 , Reply# 5   2/8/2011 at 12:58 (4,796 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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I dumped the dosage into the regular Tide scoop. Came up to line 1 on the scoop.

Post# 494905 , Reply# 6   2/8/2011 at 13:00 (4,796 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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one thing I will say that it doesnt smell like the Tide Powder that I have been using. It smells like what Tide used to smell like years ago. Maybe its my nose but at least to me thats what it smells like. Very clean scent.

Post# 494919 , Reply# 7   2/8/2011 at 13:27 (4,796 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada)        

Should be interesting to see results after use.I only use two-three tablespoons max now so this will have to be cut in half again if it's concentrate.I hope this does not go the way the liquids did?
Thanks for the post :)


Post# 494928 , Reply# 8   2/8/2011 at 13:49 (4,796 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

I see the He symbol on the back but not on the front.  Is this an He version?  Is there an He version?


Post# 494936 , Reply# 9   2/8/2011 at 14:09 (4,796 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Still, it looks to me like the dosage is about the same (i.e. what it should be) and this is another marketing slight of hand (or eye).


Post# 494948 , Reply# 10   2/8/2011 at 14:58 (4,796 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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So far cleaning wise it does very well. One thing I did notice is that it rinses very easily the first time around. There is not much in the suds department. This is not an HE detergent but it could be used as one I think. Now I have enough detergent to last me til summertime.

Post# 494949 , Reply# 11   2/8/2011 at 15:00 (4,796 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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It is not a HE version - the text on the back reads "If you have a High Efficiency washer, we recommend you use Tide High Efficiency."



Post# 494988 , Reply# 12   2/8/2011 at 17:56 (4,796 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

Too bad not He.  I wanted to try it.


Post# 494993 , Reply# 13   2/8/2011 at 18:15 (4,796 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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There will be an HE version. In fact all the P&G powders are going to this format. Tide,Cheer, Gain, and all the flavors of each will be "compacted". The new powder I am curious about is Era. I will have to say that after doing laundry today I am quite impressed with the performance of this new Tide. Dare I say this...on par with...wait for it...German Persil powder. The scent is very light after it comes out of the dryer and I use Downy April Fresh liquid...not the latest stench but whats in the refill cartons. I can find plenty of the cartons that dont have the reek smell of the new stuff. It also rinses clear. I double rinse every load and the 2nd rinse is my softener rinse and the water is very clear after that rinse.

Post# 495008 , Reply# 14   2/8/2011 at 18:55 (4,796 days old) by cehalstead (Charleston, WV)        

I wonder if this is the way that P&G will transition all of its powders to only one version?  Surely there will not be much of a market for the non HE in the near future, with the apparent demise of the traditional top loader........


Post# 495029 , Reply# 15   2/8/2011 at 20:00 (4,796 days old) by dirtybuck (Springfield, MO)        

The detergent is now more compact and there's a smaller scoop for measuring. Did P&G take it one step further and also give it a "smaller" price?

Something tells me NO!


Post# 495037 , Reply# 16   2/8/2011 at 20:09 (4,796 days old) by dirtybuck (Springfield, MO)        
I'm Curious

I wonder if the new Tide (Cheer, Gain, etc.) will be stocked behind the old formula and let that sell out, or if the old formula will be completely taken off the shelves?

Also, do you think Sun products will follow the new P&G format with their powders?


Post# 495043 , Reply# 17   2/8/2011 at 20:17 (4,796 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
What Normally Happens Here

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Is the old stuff goes on mark-down/sale to help clear way for new stock. At least this is what happened when new versions of Tide liquid detergent come out.

OTHO some stores may just keep the old next to the new. Pretty much all will depend on how P&G markets the product and or what marching orders are given.


Post# 495102 , Reply# 18   2/9/2011 at 00:46 (4,796 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        

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Having used a number of the compacted Aussie detergents, I think the US variants will be a success. Once you get used to the smaller scoop size, the amount we've been using in the "traditional" versions seems excessive.

Of course, they too seemed compact when they were first brought out....when was it, the early 90s?


Post# 495112 , Reply# 19   2/9/2011 at 02:46 (4,796 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Did P&G take it one step further and also give it a "sma

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Why on earth would you think that?

 

The important things would be:

 

- do I get the same number of washes per pack at the same water hardness/soil level?

- is the performance of the product the same or better?

- is there a scoop included so I know how to dose

- did the price stay the same?

 

I'd suggest that nothing else matters.....


Post# 495176 , Reply# 20   2/9/2011 at 09:40 (4,796 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

At a local walmart they had both Tide and All and others in the fire sale shelf. The odd thing is the fire sale liquid All I bought that was the bigger container was the same exact blend as the 1/2 sized stuff on regular shelf and the same price. In Tide they had both powder and Liquid Tide on the fire sale shelf too, about all gone.

The trust is often to just move the odd items that do not fit in next months "shelf layout". ALL in liquid was in THREE places, one the fire sale area too.


Post# 495178 , Reply# 21   2/9/2011 at 09:44 (4,796 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

25 years ago it use to be that All was only in powder form and was this small box that was heavy. Other soaps like TIDE that then were not concentrated like ALL were in giant boxes and the stuff was all fluffed up.

All was like Post Grape Nuts, a small heavy box. Tide was like Kellogg's Corn Flakes; one was buying air!


Post# 495271 , Reply# 22   2/9/2011 at 15:31 (4,795 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
As Late As The 1990's P&G Offered Tide "Ultra"

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As did several other brands of detergent, IIRC.

In fact had an old box of Wisk "Free" ultra that one found at local discount store, even posted about it here.





Post# 495330 , Reply# 23   2/9/2011 at 19:40 (4,795 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

I just saw these hit the shelves in my area. I was at a local Sam's Club and they've already started carrying the compacted powder versions of Gain and Cheer. Tide and the other PG Brand Compact powder versions are on the way...(Era from what I know is only available in liquid) In my standard Top Loading machine, I've always used 1/4 cup of Tide powder to every load, so I don't know how much I'll be using with the new formula; curious to find out.


Post# 496282 , Reply# 24   2/13/2011 at 18:18 (4,791 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I was at Sam's today.  they had the new Cheer "compacted" powder.  it's an all-formula, intende for HE machines too.  It was $14.84 for a 120 load box.  that slightly less expensive than the 125 load box of Sears UltraPlus in the orange box. 


Post# 496287 , Reply# 25   2/13/2011 at 18:57 (4,791 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Something else I observed was the powder version was less expensive per load than the comprable liquid.  Hmm, why would anyone want liquids if they're more expensive?


Post# 496319 , Reply# 26   2/13/2011 at 22:15 (4,791 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))        

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Drats. I have a 180 load box of the previous, non compact version. I love the smell... I hope this isn't too terribly different!

Post# 496325 , Reply# 27   2/13/2011 at 22:55 (4,791 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Liquid vs Powder

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Tide at least, the former has a much better enzyme complex than the later.

Tide liquids contain several enzymes vs the one (protease) for Tide powder.

What the powders do have in their favour is P&G's famous oxygen bleaching system.

As for costs, again Tide liquid goes on sale often enough around here that if one wanted could stock up. In fact the supermarket that had the stuff on sale just several weeks ago, has Tide on sale again.


Post# 496332 , Reply# 28   2/13/2011 at 23:54 (4,791 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

Aside from cost, wouldn't anybody agree that the powders just clean better in general..? I sure think so

Post# 496336 , Reply# 29   2/14/2011 at 00:51 (4,791 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Well, don't like the "gunking" up of my washing machine's filter/sump area that seems to come from using mainly liquid detergents. However suppose that could be dealt with by using higher wash temps and or doing more powder washes in between.

However for some items find liquid detergent is better than powders. Also when I want or need to wash in cool or cold water, liquids are better, IMHO.

Liquids also leave things that are supposed to be "silky soft" that way without having to use fabric softeners.

Again as I've posted before, have soaked stained table linens totally clean using Tide "free and gentle" liquid and cool to lukewarm water. Using powders to soak means having to first mixing in warm water, then agitating for awhile to make sure hte stuff is well disloved, and even then one finds powder resiude at the bottom of the tub.


Just my two cents.

L.


Post# 496339 , Reply# 30   2/14/2011 at 01:36 (4,791 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

Long story short, Tide specifically states on their site that powders are better for removing ground in soil such as dirt and mud, and liquid is better for removing greasy, oil based stains.

Its true, both powders and liquids can equally have their drawbacks, but it all depends on factors such as fabric type, water temp.. etc.

I've also had people tell me that its just a matter of personal preference and that they both equally do a good job of getting the job done.
In the end, I guess its good to have both liquid and powder on hand, and have the best of both worlds.


Post# 496388 , Reply# 31   2/14/2011 at 10:08 (4,791 days old) by Volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
For me:

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100% powder 100% of the time. I've been very pleased with the performance of powdered detergent over the years and the cost savings compared to liquid is substantial. Also, it's easy to recycle or reuse the box (near-dryer lint trash box) but the liquid bottles often aren't accepted in recycling programs. Plus, the liquid bottles and dispensers tend to become a gooey, sticky mess.

I'm curious to see how the new detergent formulations stack up. I hope the rinse out better,
Dave


Post# 496406 , Reply# 32   2/14/2011 at 11:39 (4,791 days old) by Pingmeep ()        

Hate the liquids. The mess potential, and dosing difficulties especially at different temperatures, gunking potential etc. But they can do a better job with less fabric wear, shorter cycles, and less energy on certain stains.

Tide Free HE Coldwater liquid is just awesome at most stains. Even the pro line Tide (non bleach) powder can't beat it for dried in blood that has sat and hardened. There's at least one laundromat owner who uses it as a cleaner for the boot and doors for his front loaders. Sunlight Deep Clean Coldwater is the best dog dander remover I have ever used.

I'd love better powders and am trying to find some OK source for UK Persil Biological powder to test. Right now though the liquids are among the best in my arsenal.


Post# 496443 , Reply# 33   2/14/2011 at 16:15 (4,790 days old) by dirtybuck (Springfield, MO)        
On the Lookout

Still nothing here in Springfield, MO on the availability of the new compact powders.

Post# 496534 , Reply# 34   2/14/2011 at 23:47 (4,790 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

Thought I'd throw this out, I guess it also depends on what type of washer you have. From what I'm hearing, the liquids tend to gunk up inside the front loaders. I couldn't relate, since Ive never owned a front loader. Using my top loader it seems to handle both powder and liquid well.

Post# 496540 , Reply# 35   2/15/2011 at 00:36 (4,790 days old) by jt1985 (Denver, Colorado )        

All we have at work right now is the 80 load Lavender powder. It's small compared to the old formula. Don't care for Lavender-scented detergent.

Post# 496573 , Reply# 36   2/15/2011 at 09:43 (4,790 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
@Volvoguy

Because of our hard water, I use a 1/4 cup of Borax per load in my FL. I recycle the boxes as next-to-the-dryer lint containers. By the time the Borax box in current use has been emptied, the previous Borax box is full of lint and ready to be tossed.

Post# 496577 , Reply# 37   2/15/2011 at 09:55 (4,790 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
@pinpoint22

Agree. The drawers of most FLs passively dispense the detergent by gravity into the outer drum when the drawer is closed (i.e. release is passive....I'm referring to main wash here rather than pre-wash). When the wash cycle starts, water is pumped through the drawer to wash the detergent down into the drum. With a powder, most of the stuff stays in the drawer until the cycle starts, though some of it goes down to the drum by gravity when drawer is closed. But since it's mostly dry inside, the powder doesn't have much chance to cake up and form a clog.

With liquids, there is a potential to form a gooey mess not only in the dispenser but also in the tubing between drawer and drum. In particular, if one uses a delay wash feature and liquid detergent, one is allowing sticky liquid detergent to sit in the drawer and slide down toward the drum without any water to rinse it down. It's like asking for trouble. When visiting in Europe, I've noticed either they use a powder, or a liquid with a dispenser ball (placed on top of the clothing, does not touch clothing or washer parts until cycle begins). I use my washer's delay wash feature quite frequently (e.g. set up a load at 21:00 to run at 5:00 so it's ready for the dryer while I'm up and fixing breakfast the next morning). If I used a concentrated HE liquid, that stuff would be all over the drawer and tubing to the drum for 8 hours, forming a gooey mess.

The fact that some liquid manufacturers in Europe even supply dispenser balls (for free) with their product is almost an admission that residue is an issue when used in FLs. We don't have dispenser balls in the US, but I used to use liquid HE and would add it to one of the small plastic measuring cups (that came with spigot-style liquid bottles) and place the cup on top of the clothes. I have never used the dispenser except for powders, and have used only powders for the last two years or so.


Post# 496589 , Reply# 38   2/15/2011 at 11:05 (4,790 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada)        

Speaking of Powders:

I see that the new compact powders are entering the race, does this mean from what little I read that the new Cheer compact powder is HE compatible or is it in the make? Does anybody have any info on these new compact powders? I believe the product had to be marked HE in order to use in the Fl machine, so I'm wondering if Cheer has gone HE in powder form? Should be interesting to see what P&G will do with their powdered detergents in this format? :)


Post# 496619 , Reply# 39   2/15/2011 at 11:57 (4,790 days old) by limitededition ()        
CHEER HE COMPACT POWDER FRESH CLEAN SCENT

I purchased a box of Cheer HE powder in FRESH CLEAN SCENT, this past Saturday at my local SAMS Club. I have not tried it.

Post# 496657 , Reply# 40   2/15/2011 at 14:35 (4,789 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada)        

@limitededition

Can you send a pic? Like to see it since it may not be available in Canada ? Would you let me know how it works for you?
Thanks for any help :)


Post# 496664 , Reply# 41   2/15/2011 at 15:19 (4,789 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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as for Ultra's and smaller doses of original formulas.....

does anyone remember when Era first came out, and was a 1/4 cup per use....we used to have the big bottle with the pump that dispensed 1/4 cup with just 2 squirts....I prefer something like this rather than a cap with lines inside of it....

and your mileage may differ from machine to machine.....HE formulas weren't common when I got my first Neptunes, but I used to get the big 200 ounce TIDE liquid, and used a full cap per load, and never had an issue with oversudsing....most other detergents I had to cut the dose in half, mainly powders, until I discovered Sears Ultra Plus.......when I had a Frigidaire TallTumbler, Pathmark used to have a store brand controlled suds detergent in a five gallon bucket, which was great for FL's, but was discontinued around the time when the Neptunes came out....


Post# 496666 , Reply# 42   2/15/2011 at 15:21 (4,789 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Laundry Detergent Liquids UK/Europe Dispener Drawers

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One must also take into account the good number of washing machines that still are cold fill, and or consumers use them that way. Since "cold" tap water can vary in temperature depending where one is, and the season, there is a very good chance when frigid water meets the liquid detergent it will not shift totally or at all.

Another factor would be the pressure of water as it comes from the taps. Am not sure what it does, but feel the water pressure is stronger when my Miele (W1070) is set to a temperature, versus "tap cold" (ie, no temp chosen). Me thinks it opens both incoming (hot and cold) water valves which in theory should create stroner force into the dispenser than strictly tap cold alone.

Either way, one or more of the above can lead to residue build up of liquid detergents over time. Especially if the drawer is not removed and cleaned, along with the housing compartment.

For liquid detergents my older model Miele comes with a tray one inserts into the main wash compartment for holding the stuff. Long as one does not fill over the max, whatever liquid one places in there isn't going anywhere until the proper cycle. According to the owner's manual, one only uses the insert if you are using the pre-wash. This holds the liquid detergent until the main wash cycle. OTHO if one is simply using a liquid detergent for the main wash, the manual states to simply place the desired amount into the drawer without the tray.

The dispenser drawers on this Miele have little flaps at the end on at least the main wash side. This holds back much of what is put in there, liquid or powder until the force of incoming water pushes it out and down.



Post# 496667 , Reply# 43   2/15/2011 at 15:25 (4,789 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Tide Compact Powder

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Newest addition to my stash just arrived. An older box of Tide "Ultra" (see pic above), and as one suspected, P&G has been playing fast and loose over the years.

Directions for dosage on back of the box clearly state one should use less for "low water and front loading washing machines".



Curious thing, the stuff is "Made in Canada", not one of P&G's United States plants.




Post# 496698 , Reply# 44   2/15/2011 at 17:10 (4,789 days old) by cehalstead (Charleston, WV)        
new tide

While shopping at Sam's Club yesterday, I noticed the "new" Tide boxes. Upon closer look, the original non-bleach powder still suggested using HE formula if you have a front loader, but the original with bleach says it is compatible with both....wonder if the "new original" is low foam? doesn't sound like it, since the box has the HE suggestion on it....does anyone know?

Post# 496702 , Reply# 45   2/15/2011 at 17:56 (4,789 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Well I remember years ago back in the mid 90's Tide w/Bleach powder was touted to be able to be used in a front load washer. At the time I had my Amana's and never tried to see if that was right. Could be that as more people get HE machines that we will see more detergents that are compatible in both. I do like this new Tide.
On thing I wish was that Wisk Power Scoop would make a comeback. I loved that stuff and it had a great scent.


Post# 496704 , Reply# 46   2/15/2011 at 18:09 (4,789 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Some Several Years Ago

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P&G began swapping out foam creating agents in some versions of Tide powder for surpression agents. You can go to P&G's "Tide" website for listing of ingredients by product.

Do know that one of the powders, I *think* it may be TwB contains suds suppression chemicals (not the HE version), according to the list on website.

P&G does not produce several totally different versions of Tide powders. Rather all are based on the same master formula, with perhaps a tad more foam supression agents added to the "HE" version. I say this because MSDS for all versions of Tide list the whole product line.

Obviously Tide free powder does not contain "scents" or "dyes", but not sure if all versions contain oxygen bleach or not to some extent. Low levels of sodium perborate are used for "colour protection" in that the hydrogen peroxide will counter the chlorine found in most tap water in the United States. My vintage box of Tide list this, and Cheer powders did or still do for all one knows.

Early versions of Tide "HE", both liquid and powder were very highly sudsing if not dosed correctly. Even when they were the stuff still could create lots of froth and or was hard to rinse clean. This is why one always thought such products were not built from the ground up as true "HE" products. However the latest incarnation of Tide "Free and Gentle" liquid is very low foaming and rinses cleanly.

Methinks P&G may see the handwriting on the wall and may be going back to the way detergents were once sold in the United States. Compatiable with *all* types of washing machines, and dosage based upon amount of water used for the wash.

This would make more and more sense as heavy water use top loading washers are being replaced with "HE" and or other versions that are stingy with water.

There really isn't any need today for the fillers and heavy sudsing agents P&G used with some versions of detergents.


Post# 496768 , Reply# 47   2/16/2011 at 00:35 (4,789 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

@PassatDoc

I agree, I also remember when I was in Europe 2 years ago, the European Market for liquid detergent is very small. It seems as if over 95% of the detergents are powders, and all for a very good reason just as you mentioned; the overall messes using liquid.
That definitely explains the detergent balls that come along with the liquids. But you know what? I think one of the main reasons why people are having issues with Mold and Mildew with their front loaders here in the US, is because of the liquids, and the fact that people here are dispensing them in the detergent drawer, rather than in a little ball, and placing it in the drum like the Europeans do. Basically, the water is not thoroughly washing the liquids down the drum, at the start of the cycle causing residue, thus causing that residue to turn into mold and mildew over time. Just simply my theory..


Post# 496810 , Reply# 48   2/16/2011 at 10:33 (4,789 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Liquid is actually pretty popular here especially with the advent of super concentrated formats, as well as liquitabs.  Some are dosed in drawer, e.g. Persil/Surf, whilst P&G offer dosing devices in which the liquid (in a squeezy bottle not unlike ketchup) is squirted into and placed in the drum - practically leaving no mess.  We also have pre-measured liquitab formats too where a sachet of liquid is placed in the drum - again no mess.

 

However, we also have a somewhat new problem with liquids here in that continued exclusive use can lead to mouldy & musty washers, along with using a combination of using only low temp washers and shutting the door - both things the average consumer will do nowadays.  Liquid detergents don't contain bleach, where powders here do, and hence are theoretically supposed to keep the insides of the machine cleaner.

 

I would say though that mouldy washer syndrome is often linked to the user rather than the detergents; you can still get a mouldy washer from somebody who uses powder 100% of the time with low temp washes and closes the door between uses, and a thoroughly clean washer from somebody who prefers to use liquid but regularly uses high temp washes, keeps the door open, cleans the dispenser regularly etc etc.

 

Jon




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Post# 496816 , Reply# 49   2/16/2011 at 10:54 (4,789 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

And dispensed in the drum with a small load of darks


Post# 496822 , Reply# 50   2/16/2011 at 11:13 (4,789 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
@pinpoint22 and lavamatjohn

Surveying the shelves of Swedish supermarkets, it seems to be 50-50 split between powders and liquids. My friend in Stockholm seems to prefer 2X liquids, probably for being easier to tote home from the market, but they never use the dispenser drawer for liquids, they know better.

For bringing it home on the plane, powders are safer (duh) and no liquid would be allowed on board in cabin luggage. Even in checked luggage, if a box of powder breaks it's a mess, but not as bad as a leaking bottle. I encase any detergent boxes in a gallon-size (3.8 liters) zip-lock bag for safety. For my upcoming stay in London this spring, I will probably buy some UK Persil and bring it in my cabin bag, since luggage is now limited to one checked piece in Economy up to 23 kgs/50 lbs. Overweight (between 50-70 lbs/23-32 kgs) bags are charged an extra $60 (although if you use this charge to cart back an additional 20 lbs/8 kgs of purchases, you can also look at it another way: you could never ship the goods on a same-day basis from UK to California for $60, so maybe best to pony up). On this particular trip, I upgraded to Business eastbound (three bags allowed) but return in Economy (one bag allowed). BA allows the same luggage allowance on the return, even if the return is in a lower class cabin (i.e. Business outbound and Economy return gets two bags in both directions). But as far as I know, American Airlines does not extend this courtesy to returning Economy passengers.

I agree with both of you re: moldy washers. My FL is in my garage (never freezes here). In a summer heat wave, the temperature inside the garage can exceed 90 F/32 C, but I have never had mold issues in this five year old machine. Basically, the door is NEVER closed unless the machine is in use. I didn't learn this from a manual. I learned it from 30+ years of observing what friends in Europe (and their parents) did---doors were always ajar. I also wipe the gasket dry after the last cycle of the day. I suspect that issues with washer mold in the USA are the result of inexperienced buyers---most of the time, it's their first FL---keeping the door shut instead of ajar, and not keeping the gasket dry. I think the user manual mentions wiping the gasket dry, but no mention of leaving door ajar.

 

I suppose someone using only liquids and cold water could have mold issues too, but most US FLs have onboard heaters and the buyers often make use of Hot or Sanitize cycles. But these hot cycles won't prevent mold in a washer not allowed to dry out by keeping the door ajar. I believe a majority of washers now sold in US are FL, but there are so many older TLs still in use that the majority of washers in US homes are still TLs. It will take another decade or so of predominantly-FL sales before FLs become the majority. At the same time, most FL owners are currently on their first FL, and as such as still making mistakes with respect to proper care of the machine. Moreover, most ads show the machines with the doors closed (often in a room off the kitchen, with designer built in cabinets, etc.) so buyers assume they can shut the doors (to make it look better) just as in the advertisements. Also, buyers with small children may have to keep the doors closed/locked. The ideal setting for a FL in a home with small children would be an enclosed laundry room with a locking door, so that the FL door can be left ajar with the room door secured. However, if the laundry area is in a garage or pantry area off the kitchen (or in a mud room without a locking interior door, etc.) then it's more difficult to leave the door ajar.


Post# 497006 , Reply# 51   2/17/2011 at 00:57 (4,788 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

@PassatDoc

Yep, Europeans definitely know their Front Loaders pretty well. If you ask me, I don't think the Top loaders will truly go out of style here in my opinion; at least not any time soon.. The reason is, many people are still just finding out about Front Loaders. That, and the fact that Top Loaders are still being made today, which people are buying because they are cheaper, cheaper to repair, and that they finish a load of laundry much quicker in general.

But definitely, I agree with you on the Mold & Mildew issue, many people here using the Front Loaders really are inexperienced as far as wiping down the gasket after the last wash, improper dosing of detergent, using Standard TL detergent instead of HE... Inexperienced users will learn.. In the meanwhile, a class on: "Laundry 101 the HE Way" wouldn't be such a bad idea after all.


Post# 497088 , Reply# 52   2/17/2011 at 09:43 (4,788 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        

If ever there was an environment that would promote the growth of mold in a washer, it would be in my garage, which faces south in Southern California. We used to have a huge coral tree (South Africa) which provided shade protection to the garage, but its roots were lifting the pavement and sadly it had to be removed (it was a poor choice for the space in which it was planted, and it had been installed by the developer). The replacement tree is not as large (or old) and so the garage get heat up past 90 F in late summer. No mold problems whatsoever in the washer, but I never close the door unless it's in use. I also remove the drawer dispenser, invert it to drain leftover water, and remove the top lid, allowing all of them to air dry. Formerly, I didn't remove the lid of the dispenser, but one day found black slime on the inside surface, so now at the end of the wash day, the dispenser is dissembled and placed over a small waste bin to air dry. The slime never returned and no mold in the washer. I clean it once per quarter using a hot cycle plus ½ dose of detergent, followed by a hot cycle with 1/3 cup citric acid. Never any bleach.

Post# 497244 , Reply# 53   2/17/2011 at 20:26 (4,787 days old) by jt1985 (Denver, Colorado )        
Ultra Gain with Bleach

Finally got some more variety at work. We got in Gain Original and Gain with Bleach Alternative. Bought the Gain with Bleach Alternative 80 load (100 oz concentrate).

Post# 497268 , Reply# 54   2/17/2011 at 22:34 (4,787 days old) by jt1985 (Denver, Colorado )        
Ultra Gain with Bleach Alternative

The box

Post# 497270 , Reply# 55   2/17/2011 at 22:36 (4,787 days old) by jt1985 (Denver, Colorado )        
Ultra Gain with Bleach Alternative

Inside

Post# 497390 , Reply# 56   2/18/2011 at 10:46 (4,787 days old) by Zanussi_lover (Nottingham, UK)        
Ultra Compact Powders

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we need more ultra compact powders in the UK, they disappeared in the late 90s with Ariel Futur, Tablets seemed more convienient but they use alot of packaging still compared to a compact one scoop powder.

130ml seems too much, if this dosage was reduced to 70ml per wash. with a small scoop per wash, would be better.








Post# 497525 , Reply# 57   2/19/2011 at 02:05 (4,786 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

Thanks for the pics Jt1985. How is everybody's overall experience with Gain? I think its a detergent with too overwhelming of a scent (for me at least..) I've used the liquid before once and remembered that it also left clothes (towels especially) with a terrible waxy sort of a residue when they came out of the washer.. I tried the powder, but don't remember too much about it.. but have never tried this Bleach Alternative powder pictured here. I could never find it except in liquid form. How does it size up to Tide cleaning wise?

Post# 497594 , Reply# 58   2/19/2011 at 09:01 (4,786 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
Gain HE powder

Works as well as Tide HE. Light fragrance, not bothersome. Hard to find locally in stores, but easy to find at Amazon or soap.com. The former (Amazon) requires you buy in bulk, either a four pack of the medium size or a two pack of the large size. It's my "daily driver" detergent. I save imported UK or Henkel Persil (or national Unilever equivalents in other countries, e.g. Via in Sweden = UK Persil) for my work clothing (98% of which are all cotton wrinkle free shirts and trousers from LL Bean), which I want to treat as gently and thoroughly as possible. Sturdy cottons, linens, and towels get Gain HE or Tide HE powder.


I know that Gain is P&G's product in "ethnic" markets in the USA where (per P&G) the customers like their detergent to have a heavy/fruity fragrance. Look at Gain's US website http://www.ilovegain.com/fresh_smelling_laundry_collections.do and the emphasis is on fragrance. Perhaps marketing to a Latino clientele, I'm not sure. Be that as it may, Gain HE powder's fragrance is toned down. The HE tab http://www.ilovegain.com/high_efficiency_detergent.do is almost an afterthought on the website, and HE powder is offered only in "original" and "Island Fresh" versions. The only variety I've ever seen in stores or for sale on the net is Original.


Post# 497768 , Reply# 59   2/19/2011 at 20:07 (4,785 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

See that's the thing, Gain is way too overly scented to the point of giving you a headache. But yet than again, their entire marketing is geared to those that like a detergent that has a heavier scent. To me, I'm more worried about how well that detergent will wash my clothes rather than having a nauseating smell.
I have a top loader, so I'm not sure about the HE version, especially since you said the fragrance is toned down a little. From wbut whats even more crazy is the new compact powdered formula. They advertise the "Fresh Lock" which is basically an overkill of more fragrance added.


Post# 497769 , Reply# 60   2/19/2011 at 20:09 (4,785 days old) by appnut (TX)        
"Interesting about Cheer"

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I was at my local grocery store today and stopped to check on the new Cheer detergent.  they still had the smaller size box in the old formula.  the larger size box (similar to the size found at Sams club) was the new conceentrated  version.  It did not mention anywhere on the package anyting about use in HE washers.  I wanted to try a small box out before I invseted in an 80 or 120 load size box.  The HE version at sames was also about a dollar cheaper. 


Post# 497832 , Reply# 61   2/20/2011 at 00:40 (4,785 days old) by jt1985 (Denver, Colorado )        
FreshLock: Liquid versus Powder

I did two loads - one with my Mom's Gain liquid and one with the new Gain compact. From what I've smelled, the FreshLock liquid tended to leave a heavier fragrance compared to the new Gain FreshLock compact.

Post# 497859 , Reply# 62   2/20/2011 at 06:33 (4,785 days old) by angus (Fairfield, CT.)        

We haven't seen any of the new powders in our grocery stores or WalMar, Target,Kmart, etc... So I am confused. Is the new Cheer compact powder a formula that is compatible with all washers or are there separate traditional and HE formulas?

Post# 497909 , Reply# 63   2/20/2011 at 10:26 (4,785 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Is the new Cheer compact powder a formula that is compatible

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Anthony, that's why I posted the latest comment from me, what I aw yestrday at my grocery store.  I have to go to Sams and get gas today, I may pop in the store and check the cheer box again.  I know it had HE symbol on it, but it looked pretty much like the new compact detergent at the grocery store too.  So, it's perplexing.


Post# 498248 , Reply# 64   2/21/2011 at 13:45 (4,783 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
@pinpoint22

Note on the HE page that they make very little mention of the fragrance of the Original HE powder version. Maybe this is the one Gain version for people who want cleaning power rather than fragrance. I do know a retired P&G exec who told me that Gain was more for the "ethnic market demographic" whereas Tide was aimed more at the "mainstream market". As you inferred, P&G for the most part markets Gain to those who want fragrance, and Tide to those who want cleaning power. However, the last time Gain HE was reviewed at CR, it was rated a Best Buy because it performed as well as Tide HE at a lower price point. I don't recall if that Best Buy rating was for HE liquid or powder. It was about three or four years ago.

I don't have a great sense of smell, but to me Gain HE powder has a very light scent. The website mentions a lavender variety of HE powder, but I've never seen it for sale. To put it another way, after washing a load of clothes in UK Persil Bio powder, I smell the fragrance more with Persil than with Gain, and I know the Persil is washing out cleanly because I don't get any suds on the door or gasket. I can detect a light but overpowering fragrance with Persil Bio, whereas I can't detect any scent after washing with Gain HE (original) powder.


Post# 498285 , Reply# 65   2/21/2011 at 16:31 (4,783 days old) by cehalstead (Charleston, WV)        
another "sighting"

Just found the new formula at Dollar General. Original with bleach Tide powder (18 loads). NOT branded for HE, so I guess both formulas are available. Still looking for smaller boxes of original Tide (no bleach). Just can't bring myself to buy one of those huge boxes until I find out if I like it or not...

Post# 498434 , Reply# 66   2/21/2011 at 22:35 (4,783 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

@PassatDoc

Yes, true. I just always had that gut feeling that Gain was aimed more to the market that prefers scent over cleaning power, and I think I do remember Consumer Reports naming Gain HE Powder as a best buy several years ago. I'm almost 100% sure it was the powder, but interesting fact as you said, is that the HE version isn't heavily scented as is the Standard Top Loader version. I never knew that. I suppose that If I want to stay away from the scent, I'll need to get the HE version to use in my Top Loader (TL). Just not sure how well it will work, but I guess it's worth a try. Yet then again, I use Persil in my TL every once in a a while (very expensive but EXCELLENT detergent) for my whites, and it works great. As far as I'm concerned, Persil has a very light sort of smell.. It's not a smell that is about to make you sick as with Gain in my experience.


Post# 498509 , Reply# 67   2/22/2011 at 10:59 (4,783 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        

Buy a small box of Gain HE and see what happens. I know you're not supposed to use conventional detergent in an HE washer, but I don't know what happens when you use HE detergent in a conventional washer.

Post# 498847 , Reply# 68   2/23/2011 at 19:06 (4,781 days old) by Pingmeep ()        

@PassatDoc Generally you need more HE detergent.

Some brands it's a lot more others it's a little over 30% more.

The older Gain HE powder was in the 35% more (normal soiling) 65% more (heavy soiling) for top loaders when I used it in 2009. No idea now.


Post# 498873 , Reply# 69   2/23/2011 at 20:12 (4,781 days old) by ~sudsshane ()        
P&G Compact Powder Update..

Stopped by Sams Club to check on the new P&G Compact Powders. Much to my surprise, Sams had ample supply of powdered detergent.

They had available-

Ultra Tide Compact Powder- Regular and HE.
Ultra Tide with Bleach- Compact powder HE - yay!
Ultra Tide with Downy- Compact powder Regular and HE
Ultra Cheer Compact Powder HE
Ultra Gain Compact Powder- Regular and HE
Ultra Gain with Bleach Powder- HE
Ultra Era Compact Powder- Regular and HE

Looks like the "Tide" could be turning back to powder?? Just as much powder selection, as liquid, at this store. I picked up a 95 load box of Tide with Bleach Powder HE in Original Scent for $19.49
Smells just like "original" TWB Powder.. FINALLY!



Post# 498877 , Reply# 70   2/23/2011 at 20:24 (4,781 days old) by Pingmeep ()        

Awesome news.

Post# 498901 , Reply# 71   2/23/2011 at 22:17 (4,781 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

Would love to try the Tide with Bleach  He compact powder.  Now, if it rinses clean by the 2nd rinse I would be very happy.


Post# 498903 , Reply# 72   2/23/2011 at 22:22 (4,781 days old) by ~sudsshane ()        
TWB Compact Powder HE

low sudsing. Rinsed clean after the first rinse. I'm very pleased with the performance.

Post# 498904 , Reply# 73   2/23/2011 at 22:32 (4,781 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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YAY!!!!  More HE Powders to choose from!!  Thanks Shane.  I hope my Sams will stock at least half that variety. 


Post# 498928 , Reply# 74   2/24/2011 at 00:05 (4,781 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

@Sudsshane

Era now makes Powder?!?!? Since when? I've always remembered Era came in liquid. That's shocking and surprising at the same time....... W O W..!


Post# 498930 , Reply# 75   2/24/2011 at 00:36 (4,781 days old) by ~sudsshane ()        
Yup!

Era is now available in powder form.

Google- Era Powder laundry detergent, and you will get a sneak peak.
Btw- for those of you who are not finding these compact detergents in your local stores, Amazon.com is selling them.


Post# 498932 , Reply# 76   2/24/2011 at 00:56 (4,781 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

Just looked it up, can't believe it.. I always wondered why this never came in powder. Now, low and behold... Thanks for the info!

Post# 499068 , Reply# 77   2/24/2011 at 16:18 (4,780 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

Went to my local Target today.  They have a clearance sale on all of the Tide powders...every single version of them...so maybe the shelves will soon be restocked with the compact powders.  I sure hope so because I prefer powder to liquid..and if the He is truly He.....little to no suds and clear rinsing...this is a plus.


Post# 499284 , Reply# 78   2/25/2011 at 17:19 (4,779 days old) by toploader1984 ()        

yay! i just went to walmart today and found a 120 load box of tide mountain spring powder seemed like it cleaned better than the old powder, rinsed clean too.

Post# 499610 , Reply# 79   2/26/2011 at 22:12 (4,778 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

So what does everybody generally think about these new Compact formulas? How are they working out? Is everybody satisfied with them?

Post# 499924 , Reply# 80   2/27/2011 at 19:17 (4,777 days old) by ~sudsshane ()        
I'm very pleased!

I have waited forever for TWB Powder HE to come out and it does a fantastic job. Rinses totally clean, and the fragrance is the same as the original, non- HE formula.



Post# 499925 , Reply# 81   2/27/2011 at 19:22 (4,777 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

I agree.. I think that TWBP is the only MAJOR powder Tide has been missing from the HE lineup. Glad to see it finally out. We've waited long enough..

Post# 499939 , Reply# 82   2/27/2011 at 21:10 (4,777 days old) by dirtybuck (Springfield, MO)        
FINALLY!

The "new" Tide was spotted at 2 Walmarts over the weekend.

Post# 500032 , Reply# 83   2/28/2011 at 09:53 (4,777 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
usage amounts?

I will be using Gain HE and Tide HE powder for quite some time to come, because I buy in bulk (two pack or four pack) from Amazon. I use 2-3 tablespoons (30-45 ml) in my Frigidaire 2140 FL. I wonder what the dose amount is when using the compact powders? More like 1-2 tbsp (15-30 ml)? Experimentation will be key, I guess, but meanwhile I have several years' supply of Gain and Tide HE powder in my garage that works well and needs to be used up before anything else is purchased.

Post# 500035 , Reply# 84   2/28/2011 at 10:10 (4,777 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
RE compact powders as being new



All was a compact powder for front loaders before a B52 was ever flown, before UHF TV was introduced, before the hulu hoop, before most families had a TV.

All in compact powder goes back to when many folks still used wringer washers, cars were 6 volts, cars had split windshields, folks had party line phones and all passenger planes had props, and some folks had straight eight car motors.


Post# 500488 , Reply# 85   3/1/2011 at 23:26 (4,775 days old) by jt1985 (Denver, Colorado )        
NEW: All & Surf Compact Powders

Sun Products is introducing new compacts for it's All and Surf brands. Spotted them on Target.com

CLICK HERE TO GO TO jt1985's LINK




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Post# 500510 , Reply# 86   3/2/2011 at 01:27 (4,775 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Well Must Say

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Not "compact" but used Tide "Free & Gentle" HE liquid in the Whirlpool portable with quite good results.

Totally no sudsing, just maybe a very dispersed bit of foam. Rinsed quite clean after the spray rinsing, though still set the unit to do a second rinse; but that's me for you.

Methinks P&G is finally seeing the handwriting on the wall, and making their American detergents more like those produced in Europe. I mean it isn't like Proctor and Gamble does not know how to make low or no foaming detergents that will rinse cleanly. UK/EU shelves are full of such products.



Post# 501343 , Reply# 87   3/4/2011 at 19:05 (4,772 days old) by cehalstead (Charleston, WV)        
"compact" Tide

I finally found the new Ultra Tide original (no bleach) powder at Target today. Bought a box and have washed two loads. It is low foam (I was hoping for no foam...oh, well, better than it used to be) and has a great smell, if you are a Tide lover. Also saw the new All and Surf concentrated powders that are much cheaper than Tide, but didn't buy any....yet....

Post# 501428 , Reply# 88   3/4/2011 at 23:10 (4,772 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

I guess P&G started making em sudsy in the early 80's  because USA folks wanted to see suds....In todays washers  using 20 tablespoons of water in a wash  you can't even see the water let alone suds. Even in the rinses there is not enough water to displace foaming suds.

 

I tried Tide Free and Gentle and it is much better in the rinsing area than previous Tide liquids.... Even PERSIL Gel although I haven't used that  in a few years so perhaps it rinses better now, still in my water conditions I would rather powder for everything except washes for darks and sensitives washed in tap cold temps.


Post# 501453 , Reply# 89   3/5/2011 at 04:42 (4,772 days old) by cehalstead (Charleston, WV)        

P&G made their detergents "sudsy" back in the late 40's when first put on the market because housewives were used to their soap flakes making suds...if no suds, not enough flakes in the water. I remember Tide suds coming out of the handle of our Unimatic and rolling up like a jelly roll on the lid. The suds contributed nothing to the cleaning ability of the detergent, as proven by All and Dash. Early detergent suds would not break down in water. I can also remember seeing big blocks of suds floating down the river on Saturdays, when working women did laundry, and on Mondays, when the "stay at home" housewives did their laundry. This was before our community had sewage treatment and the raw sewage simply dumped into the river. Suds were a big problem when synthetic detergents first hit the market.

Post# 501503 , Reply# 90   3/5/2011 at 11:15 (4,772 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)        

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Even though I don't use it any more due to them messing with the formula to the point of irritation, Amway's SA8 has been "compact" for literally decades before Tide started.

I've had really good luck with Coldwater Free HE (liquid) recently, but I'd be interested in trying the Bleach powder HE, if isn't too perfumey.



Post# 501531 , Reply# 91   3/5/2011 at 13:00 (4,771 days old) by dirtybuck (Springfield, MO)        
Chuck:

Thank you for answering my question. I was curious as to whether or not and when Sun products (All, Surf) were going to follow through with their version of a new compact powder.

I wonder if Purex will be getting on the same bandwagon?


Post# 501537 , Reply# 92   3/5/2011 at 13:34 (4,771 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

I think everybody is headed in this direction. As of right now, one of the only powdered detergents that I have noticed that hasn't changed yet is the Arm & Hammer. This one still the same, with the big boxes in comparison to the new compact formulas.

Post# 501547 , Reply# 93   3/5/2011 at 14:13 (4,771 days old) by dirtybuck (Springfield, MO)        
Give A&H Time

I'm sure it'll happen eventually.

Post# 501548 , Reply# 94   3/5/2011 at 14:21 (4,771 days old) by dirtybuck (Springfield, MO)        
John:

Something else I noticed when I scrolled down in the detergent category on Target's website. The introduction of All Free and Clear Oxy Action liquid.

Post# 501579 , Reply# 95   3/5/2011 at 16:07 (4,771 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
With Energy And Other Costs Rising

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There really isn't anything to justify the addition of fillers and or anything else that does not contribute to laundry powder's performance.

What will be interesting is to see if any of the Henkel brands sold on these shores show up as "megapearls" in future.

Just for the record, commercial laundry "powders" have come in concentrated/ultra forms for ages now. Though most all are large blocks of product meant for special dispensing systems.



Post# 501719 , Reply# 96   3/6/2011 at 01:53 (4,771 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

I Just got back from my Walmart and saw the new "All" with Oxi in compact powder form for the first time.. very interesting. This one is described as having "beads" very similar to the megapearls format in Persil. I also saw the Tide Lavender Powder for the first time. This is the only store that I know of that carries this one so far.. Has anybody tried this scent before?

Post# 501814 , Reply# 97   3/6/2011 at 14:03 (4,770 days old) by angus (Fairfield, CT.)        

Well, I am officially confused. I was in one WalMart yesterday and they had only a few boxes of the new compact Tide. I noted they had the lavender Tide, but only one of the Tide with Bleach original fragrance. Now here is where the confusion comes in. That box clearly stated that it was suitable for use in traditional and high efficiency machines. But since that one box was crushed, I figured I would try either Target or other WalMarts. Well, two Targets and three other WalMarts later, no success. They all carried the new compact Tide with Bleach powder original fagrance, but NONE of those boxes carried the note about suitability for both types of washers. They did, however, carry the usual note on the side of the box about using Tide HE if you have a high efficiency washer. So what's the deal? Will there be two kinds of Tide with Bleach original fragrance or was that "suitable for traditional and high efficiency washers" a brief aberration? Also notable was a note on the side of the box that the manufacturer of Tide doesn't make any private label detergent, or some wording like that.

For the life of me I cannot figure out why P&G insists on cluttering the market with endless varieties of the same thing. Would be so much easier with one type of powder that is suitable for all machines, kind of like Fab.

On that note, in the last WalMart, I found 10 boxes of Fab Spring Magic powder also in a newer more compact formula. Unusual since we haven't seen any Fab powder for years, much less Spring Magic.


Post# 501817 , Reply# 98   3/6/2011 at 14:22 (4,770 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada)        
Tide with Bleach HE powder

I wish P&G would get their act together as well and provide the HE formula to everyone in whatever it is that PG need to make their mind
upon !!
I see on a website named Sams Club that P&G does make the Tide powder with Bleach in an HE formula, why isn't it readily available to those of us who have the newer machines, EVERYWHERE? It must be a geographical thing maybe (?) where they are testing it? That's the only logic I can see and we don't have a lot of powder HE choices on the market so if P&G want it's share it's time people I couldn't agree more :)


Post# 502064 , Reply# 99   3/6/2011 at 23:28 (4,770 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

P&G

 

Please make a Tide He poweder with bleach that contains next to no scent. It can even smell a bit like the chemical it is.  This would please me.  I don't want a touch of anything in it. I don't like the smell of fake citrus, I don't want a scent that makes me relax, I don't want a scent that brings back memories of when I was growing up. I don't want lavender and please keep your sickening artificial vanilla cream scent to yourself.  Make it very low sudsing, and clear rinsing by the second rinse  

 

That's what I want from P&G and while they are at it give us a  He detergent for colors and darks that does not contain OBAs.


Post# 502163 , Reply# 100   3/7/2011 at 12:13 (4,769 days old) by Pingmeep ()        

@jerrod6
Preach it!
If they did that and it cleaned well I would buy more of their stuff.
The only problem is Tide means OBAs. And P&G is the company with
"WHITE-ISH TO WOW IN ONE WASH" trademark :-(


Post# 502188 , Reply# 101   3/7/2011 at 14:19 (4,769 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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These compact powders are beginning to show up all over town now.

One surprising store that I saw these in first was our grocery chain Bi-Lo, which had a weekend-only sale last weekend on 50 oz. liquid Gain and 31-40 load powders, each for $3.99. With a $1.00 coupon I had, it was CHEAP! I grabbed the last couple boxes of old-concentration Gain Original Fresh (though it is not the 'original' scent I remember from the late 80s to mid 90s). Within a few hours the store's shelves were picked absolutely clean of anything in that size Gain.

Then I became temporarily empassioned, and checked several other stores as I was in their area, and found similar results that shelves were bare or almost so. As they re-stocked on Monday, powders began to show up in the new concentration. The little boxes remind me of Wisk PowerScoop from the 90s. At the same time I found Tide beginning to appear on the shelves too. I had no idea that when this stuff can be bought at Target and Wal-Mart for less, or so I thought, that grocery stores sold as much of this stuff as they do, even when not on sale (I can understand the weekend special causing a stir though).

Finally, last night I went to a new Wal-Mart down the street. I was stunned to find prices only pennies cheaper, if at all, vs. the grocery or Target. In fact, Bi-Lo's standard price on liquid 50 oz Tide is cheaper than Wal-Mart. WM had Downy on an end-cap at about $.80 more than Target for the same stuff, also on a recent end-cap. That was surprising to say the least.

One other grocery store had the new Surfs, boxes have a $1.00 peel-off coupon on them. Still haven't seen new powdered All or Era yet though.

For me, bring back the Wisk Power-scoop, including the scent!!!

Gordon


Post# 502514 , Reply# 102   3/8/2011 at 19:22 (4,768 days old) by jt1985 (Denver, Colorado )        
Went to Target...

I saw the new Surf powder. I looked and noticed that it now contains enzymes. So does All Free & Clear and Oxi Active powders. The old All & Surf powders never had enzymes. The Target I was at had the new compacted Arm & Hammer powder in stock. So now, most brands, except Purex, Trend, Xtra and Sun have converted to the new formulations.

At work, we have Gain HE. 40, 80 and 120 loads.


Post# 503142 , Reply# 103   3/10/2011 at 23:28 (4,766 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

Yup, Arm & Hammer has caught on as well, just saw the new compact formulation myself. Looks like All is also expanding its powder selection with the Oxi Active and the Free, clear

Post# 503156 , Reply# 104   3/11/2011 at 01:36 (4,766 days old) by jt1985 (Denver, Colorado )        
Sun Ultra Detergent

Found it at work - 40 and 80 load powders. Only Xtra, Trend and Purex are the lone remaining either producing a "ultra 2" or a "classic" powder. With the new powder compaction under way, we seem to be carrying more powder than ever before. The popular compacts are the Gain compacts, Sun compacts and the Arm & Hammer compacts. We have a full selection now of the Gain HE compact powders (40, 80 & 120).

Has anybody seen the new Downy liquids (sage/jasmine, citrus/spice)?


Post# 503290 , Reply# 105   3/11/2011 at 12:47 (4,765 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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I have seen both the Downy liquids. Those are what I was saying were cheaper at Target vs. the nearest Wal-Mart (something like 70-cents cheaper).

I bought the citrus/spice. REALLY has a great scent.

G


Post# 503294 , Reply# 106   3/11/2011 at 13:02 (4,765 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

Do these new Downy scents have any hint of vanilla?


Post# 503475 , Reply# 107   3/12/2011 at 08:50 (4,765 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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I didn't pay much attention to the one I didn't buy, I didn't like the scent at all. As to the one I did buy, it smells great, but nothing vanilla-like in it, not to me anyway.

Post# 503846 , Reply# 108   3/13/2011 at 13:43 (4,763 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

Speaking of fabric softeners, has anybody tried the new Purex Complete Crystals? The concept seems unique..

Post# 503935 , Reply# 109   3/13/2011 at 21:38 (4,763 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)        
New original scent Tide...

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I've refused to buy Tide for decades now as I can't stand the stench of their liquids...someone on here had posted that it smells like the old Tide powder, so I had to try. Making sure that I found simply "original" scent, I did a quick load. I'm not sure how close it is to the original as I was a little boy then, but it sure did bring back memories.

I was still suprised at how big the cup is...as someone previously mentioned, Amway and Fuller have had 1/8 and 1/4c doses since the 60s. This still seems huge.

Never the less, it was nice to smell what seems like classic Tide coming from the wash basket. Anyone else that may be able to compare the scent?

Does anyone know if the new compact Cheer has a different scent?


Post# 503966 , Reply# 110   3/14/2011 at 06:39 (4,763 days old) by cehalstead (Charleston, WV)        
classic scent

It seems to me that the scent of new concentrated Tide is very close to that of my childhood. I bought the new Cheer, and can't quite decide if it is "classic" or "new"....anyone else have an opinion?

Post# 504076 , Reply# 111   3/14/2011 at 16:42 (4,762 days old) by toploader1984 ()        
tide compact

the new tide compact original scent smells the same as the non compact. there is no difference, the scent is the same. i had the old NON compact version and the new compact powder and smelled them side by side, they smell the same.

Post# 504099 , Reply# 112   3/14/2011 at 17:38 (4,762 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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I think everyone's nose is different in what they may smell. That said I think the new stuff smells close to the classic Tide that I loved years ago. Not dead on but close.

Post# 504231 , Reply# 113   3/15/2011 at 09:21 (4,762 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)        

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I just got a box of the Ultra Tide with Bleach HE (less than $12 @ Wal-Mart) and y'all are right, the "small" scoop is still way bigger than I was using with SA8 for years. Still, they rate the box I got at 63 loads (I think) at line "2" which seems like quite a bit of detergent. Based on how the Free and Clear HE liquid measured out, their load ratings seem very accurate and fair.

I've done two loads now and I have some observations:

1) Virtually zero suds, even on hot and when using line "2" with things that normally produce *lots* like bath towels.

2) Appears to rinse well - water on the glass during the last rinse on my Bosch is clear and bubble-free.

3) Very good at removing soil and whitening - now I understand why folks were raving about Tw/B all these years for the ground-in stuff!! Even the "house socks" are blazingly white.

4) VERY strong smell coming out of the washer, which really had me concerned. But surprisingly, the fragrance was pretty much completely gone once out of the dryer. Even my wife who vastly prefers unscented detergent described some towels coming out of the dryer as "smelling just like fresh laundry - not much of anything else", which is saying something.

As long as nobody starts itching, I think we have a winner here. Once I'm out of the Free liquid I'm using I'll get a box of the Ultra powder to try.

BTW - question for long-time Tide fans: I noticed that Ultra Powder and the Ultra Powder w/ Bleach both have the O2 bleach and the activator. So this begs the question... what does the "with Bleach" one have that's different? I'm thinking probably a whole gigantic amount *more* bleach & activator since the same size box is 63 loads instead of 80 for regular.




Post# 504326 , Reply# 114   3/15/2011 at 17:23 (4,761 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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John, let us know if any itching develops among the family members.  That's been my one large complaint about Tide all these years. 


Post# 504355 , Reply# 115   3/15/2011 at 19:55 (4,761 days old) by jt1985 (Denver, Colorado )        
New Ultra Purex

Spotted a few 44 load, 40 oz. boxes at King Soopers yesterday. Looks smaller than P&G's compacts. Claims to have improved brightening power.

So that now leaves the two value brands Xtra and Trend as the lone remaining detergents that aren't compacted. I've seen the new Tide, Gain, Cheer, Dreft, Arm & Hammer, Purex, All, Surf, Great Value compacts. Still awaiting compacts from Albertsons' Shoppers Value and Safeway's Ultra and Ultra Advanced lines.

Where is Era powder? Haven't seen it here in Denver yet.


Post# 504483 , Reply# 116   3/16/2011 at 09:39 (4,761 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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I'm wondering if P&G is going to compact Bold, the detergent which they still make in limited release, mostly for Lowe's it seems. I'm guessing so since everything else P&G has gone this way.

Gorodn


Post# 504589 , Reply# 117   3/16/2011 at 17:01 (4,760 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

Bold is made by PG? Never knew that..

Post# 504594 , Reply# 118   3/16/2011 at 17:23 (4,760 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

@ KenmoreGuy64
I just researched it and they already have compacted this one as well. In fact, its available on Amazon.com. By the way, is Bold a good detergent? I've never tried it..


Post# 504672 , Reply# 119   3/16/2011 at 23:58 (4,760 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        

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Bold is okay in cleaning, nothing sensational. It has enzymes. The best thing about it is the scent. Sheets and towels smell fabulous. I doubt it would be a good choice for a frontloader as the suds are pretty thick.

Post# 504739 , Reply# 120   3/17/2011 at 09:32 (4,760 days old) by DanManTN (Tennessee)        

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That's good to hear about Bold, I'll have to give it a sniff next time I'm in - finding good smelling detergents (that last through the dryer) is a very tough task.


Post# 504749 , Reply# 121   3/17/2011 at 10:46 (4,760 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Does Bold have softener in it? If I remember back from when I was a kid, it was called Bold 3 because it  "cleaned, softened, and controlled static." I remember my grandmother using it sometimes and I loved the scent.

 

 


Post# 504860 , Reply# 122   3/17/2011 at 20:25 (4,759 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Mamacita 1: Mira! El nuevo Tide es compacto y viene con un scoop más chico.

Mamacita2: Si, pero mi abuela me enseñó que se debe usar 1 scoop largo, no importa el tamanho del lavarropas y/o de la tanda de topas a lavar. y si está muy sucio, hay que poner todavia más jabón.

Mamacita 1: que lastima, mi scoop grande todavia es tan nuevo, no voy a tirar a la basura.

algún tiempo después....

Mamacita 1: El nuevo Tide es una mierda! destiñó todas mis prendas, y no rinde más como la versión anterior.

Mamacita 2: No sé que hacen estos fabricantes de jabon en polvo. Antes una caja tenia larga duración, ahora no dura más que unos lavados y la ropa se destiña toda, aún usando la misma dose de antes.


translation:

mamacita 1: The new Tide is compact and comes with a smaller scoop.

Mamacita 2: Yes, but I learned with my grandma that we must always use 1 full scoop, no matter the size of the washer or the load. and if the load is too dirty, we must use even more powder.

Mamacita 1: Oh, what a pity. the old scoop is so new, i won't throw it away.


after some time...

Mamacita 1: This new compact Tide is a POS! All my coloureds are fading and the box doesn't last like the previous version.

Mamacita 2: I don't know what are the manufacturers doing. before, a box of tide would last for a long time, now it lasts for only a few loads and the clothes are fading, even using the same dose as we always did.



a few years later:

P&G announces that due to many complaints, we're going to launch a new version that won't fade the clothes. Actually it's the same product we had years ago, but now in the compact box and costing the same price. if you have the old scoop, please feel free to use it. if it's not cleaning, please use more product. yeeeeesssss use more, spend more and buy more. Profit & Gain loves it!


The same thing is happening in Brazil, but by Unilever.
They recently launched the 2x concentrated "Omo liquid".
it costs 2x more than any powder, but it's 2x concentrated, right?

WRONG! The dose is 1 cap, but theres a tiny note, almost invisible on the back of the bottle "*1 cap for a 6kg washer, use more according to the size of your washer"

most of the washers in Brazil is between 9 and 15kg capacity and the doses were always calculated considering a 10kg load.

Correct me if i'm wrong. If a product is 2x concentrated, it means you need half dose, considering the previous version, to get the same result, right? According to this new Omo, the 2x concentrated requires you to use the same dose as before, according to the directions on the back of the bottle.

Anyway, it cleans well and honestly one would use 1 cap only if one wants to cause a suds lock. Half cap is more than enough for a 10kg load but what about those millions of "normal users"(not that we're anormal) that never watch the wash cycle and always follow the directions?

While that, at least here in Brazil, P&G can't be called Profits & Gain. Ariel cleans much better, has better scents (it smells fresh like vintage Tide powder), the dose is decent and the directions even more clear and honest. 1 ball (you toss the ball into the washer with the load) for a 10kg load, the smaller bottle is a monster if compared to Omo and it costs 2x less.
P&G did a marketing campaign on Facebook and milions of free samples (exagerated 6 load bottle for a free sample) were distributed. 100% of consumers that tried Ariel loved it and love even more every time they do laundry. It cleans much better than any powder, it smells great (not that ridiculous "musk" scent), it rinses clear, it's cheap and we don't need to use softener. \o/

Omo was the leader brand in Brazil since late 50's... Some consumers say "I need to buy some Omo" (even if they know they are going to buy the other brand).
Finally 2010/2011 were the years that Unilever lost it's 82% of market share and brazilian consumers finally discovered P&G (the company came to Brazil only in 1993 and the first Ariel was launched in 1994, always on 2nd and almost insignificant place). now P&G has more than half of the market share and it's growing amazingly... Poor Unilever.


and unlike american liquids, Ariel Liquid cleans smuch better than any powder and it's STPP free.


For club members in Miami, i can provide some bottles next month, if you want. just let me know.





Post# 504862 , Reply# 123   3/17/2011 at 20:47 (4,759 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

Yeah, bold had detergent+fabric softener in one package back in the 80's. Now, I don't know... It was a brand that was ahead of its time since they were one of the first ones (if not the very first) that started this concept of combining the two together. Tide and the other brands didn't begin doing this till much later on..




Post# 505233 , Reply# 124   3/19/2011 at 17:38 (4,757 days old) by cehalstead (Charleston, WV)        
powdered Era

I saw the powdered Era at the Family Dollar Store today. 120 load box for $10.00. Smells good. Didn't buy because I had just bought a 120 load box of concentrated Tide original the other day, but definitely will try it next.

Post# 505240 , Reply# 125   3/19/2011 at 18:04 (4,757 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Started Seeing Tide "Compact" Here As Well

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Starting last week or so. Strange thing, unlike previous occasions when P&G rolled out a new product, the old did not go to any sort of discount. Near as one can see the older versions of Tide powder (both HE and non) simply were taken off shelves and replaced with new.

Odd, and also causes one to wonder where all the old product is going to end up.

Have to say those little boxes are quite heavy for their size. *LOL*


Post# 505241 , Reply# 126   3/19/2011 at 18:10 (4,757 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        
OH NO THEY DIDN'T!!!

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Yes they did!

Launderess It's here, it's here in HE Definition!

Tide with Bleach HE for $ 26.99 at BJ's here in Monroe, NY

My whites will be dazzling white with this stuff!


Post# 505243 , Reply# 127   3/19/2011 at 18:12 (4,757 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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Look at those Blue Crystal like the Original!


Post# 505248 , Reply# 128   3/19/2011 at 18:45 (4,757 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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I have the duo stash.

My biggest question is, what if Tide with Bleach he is the original but used with a smaller scoop?


Post# 505268 , Reply# 129   3/19/2011 at 21:22 (4,757 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

We were out shopping this afternoon and we came across some Tide compact. It's been years since we have had any Tide on our house. It is just sooo sudsy. But with the reports from this thread, we decided to give it a try.

So we saw the 40 load size and decided to give it a try. $7.99 seems to be the going price for the powder no matter where you shop. I wanted the "Original Scent" but it wasn't available in the 40 load size, just the 80 load size. So we ended up with the fresh clean scent powder. I almost got the Tide Sport Fresh Scent with Fabreze, but that was a liquid and we don't do liquids anymore.

Tomorrow I am going to do some dog bedding and I'll try this out on the dog towels and beds. That ought to be a really good test!


Post# 505281 , Reply# 130   3/19/2011 at 23:10 (4,757 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

One question.    Growing up my family never used Tide.   When I took my first condo I used regular  Tide liquid in a FL then moved to Tide powder in a Tl because the liquid would not rinse well  so ......What is this original scent?  Is it the scent from when Tide was first introduced?  Is it the scent from when Tide became ultra?  When did this scent come on the scene?


Post# 505285 , Reply# 131   3/19/2011 at 23:45 (4,757 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

I don't think the original scent is the 1950's scent we all remember as kids. It's a newer scent.

Right now as I type this I am washing(hot) a load of dog beds in our WP TL machine. The beds consist of 10 bath towels (white) that were very dirty. I used 75Ml of Tide Compact powder which gave a nice thin layer of suds over all the open water areas in the tub. Hmmm, this IS different than the last time we used Tide. Last time we had suds coming out of the top of the machine! But that was about 18 years ago.

The scent is "Clean Breeze". To me when I opened the package we both agreed it smelled like bubble gum with a slight tropical fruity smell to it. Not overpowering, but it was there.

While the towels are washing, the entire room smells like this. The first rinse(warm) had a dramatic decrease in the amount of suds left over. There were still a few suds in there. On the second rinse there were no suds on top of the water at all, but the water was only semi transparent. This is much better than any Tide I have used before. And let me tell you, I am very, very picky about having my clothes rinsed thoroughly. I want to see crystal clear rinses!

And the third warm rinse IS crystal clear! Unbelievable! I never thought I'd see the day where I could find a well rinsing Tide. And this is the standard Non-HE version of Tide compact.

Let's see how the towels look when they are dried.


Post# 505294 , Reply# 132   3/20/2011 at 00:59 (4,757 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Have a box of "ultra" Tide from the 1980's (see picture above), and it makes no mention of smell, orginal or otherwise.

Just took a whiff of the box (had to unwarp the plastic bag I've sealed it in), and the scent isn't like recent versions of Tide or TWB to Moi. Has rather a sweet bubble gum fragrance if one had to put a name to it. Am not planning on opening the packet for quite some time, so won't be able to tell anything more.

Methinks P&G began slapping "Original Scent" or whatever on boxes of Tide after they began producing a score of different fragrances including none at all.

L.


Post# 505303 , Reply# 133   3/20/2011 at 03:17 (4,757 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

For some reason I can't sleep tonight.....

I dried the towels and have the made the following observations:

The towels came out light and fluffy.

They are DEFINITELY a lot whiter than when we used FOCA on them which is our standard detergent. Whiter than even FOCA and Clorox bleach and STPP.

However, the "bubble gum & tutti frutti smell is gone" and has been replaced with what I call the "HE Chemical Smell". I double checked the box, we DON'T have the HE version of this detergent. About a year ago we had a bottle of Cheer HE liquid and it left the same smell in the clothes. We put the dog beds down and they were somewhat reluctant to lay on them. Usually when they have clean dog beds they are on them as soon as they are put down. But eventually one by one they found their places. I don't think they like the smell either.
But at least they don't stink up the entire room.

Now if only P&G could do something about the leftover smell.......


Post# 505306 , Reply# 134   3/20/2011 at 04:10 (4,757 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        
I see suds

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Just a quick look whats happening inside my he machine.





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Post# 505433 , Reply# 135   3/20/2011 at 17:03 (4,756 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

Cleanteam... What does the first and then the last rinse look like?


Post# 505459 , Reply# 136   3/20/2011 at 19:13 (4,756 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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The first rinse is milky and the third, somewhat clear.
Give me a week to buildup a towel load and then I would know if TWB HE version is the same as TWB for top loaders.
I've done a load of towels a few months ago and the machine went into sud lock.


Post# 505477 , Reply# 137   3/20/2011 at 20:22 (4,756 days old) by ~sudsshane ()        
Well, my experience with TWB HE Powder

Has been great. Rinses clean, the very first rinse. Keep in mind that many parts of NY have soft water. You may need to adjust the dosage if you are seeing too much suds.

Post# 505517 , Reply# 138   3/21/2011 at 00:35 (4,756 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

Just did my very first loads with the new Tide compact powder in my Top Loader. I was very surprised.. You can almost barely notice the suds, such a light coating.. which in the end makes for a clean rinse the first time around; The rinse water was so much clearer.
However, I noticed the biggest change when I was doing towels. We all know how towels tend to produce the most suds.. but not in this case.. just a minimal thin layer of suds.. which rinsed clearly as well..
As far as the scent (original) is considered, I basically thought it pretty much smelled the same to me as the former non compact version.. very little difference to me. I'm not 100% sure, since I don't have any more of the older non compact version to compare it to..
I am very happy with this new version. I think it's efficient in the sense that you save water from having to apply multiple rinses to get rid of the detergent residue. Also, the dosing is more simplified, and less confusing, where as the earlier version just produced way too many suds, especially when people added too much detergent.


Post# 505524 , Reply# 139   3/21/2011 at 01:33 (4,756 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Well, Well

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It can only be that P&G has taken a page from EU,UK and other markets where they have already been selling "HE" detergents for ages, and decided to totally revamp Tide powder.

Rather than just the old top loading formula with a bit of anti-foaming agents added, it seems P&G went for a mortgage and we now have something on these shores that can compare to Persil.

If good reports hold true over the long haul my days of importing German or French laundry detergents is over. Well maybe not, am that addicted to the scent of "Alpine Fresh" Ariel! *LOL*


Post# 505593 , Reply# 140   3/21/2011 at 12:19 (4,756 days old) by DanManTN (Tennessee)        

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Hmmm...my use of Tide Original did not get out some chocolate stains (just three little dots).  I had to use Amway pre-treater/Tri-Zyme to solve the issue.  At least it smells nice and rinses well in my top loader.


Post# 505621 , Reply# 141   3/21/2011 at 14:41 (4,755 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

I heard Consumer Reports is going to be testing these new compact formulas soon, so it'll be interesting to see the results.

Post# 509066 , Reply# 142   4/3/2011 at 19:28 (4,742 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Well, I"m not ready for this thread to die yet.  When I was at Sams today procuring my TurboTax, I got crazy and bought a box of the new Cheer Bright Clean Fresh Scent "designed specifically for HE machines".  I hadn't noticed on the box my last visit the words "with clean rinse technology".  While I was there, I noticed the Gain HE was no longer there.  I also noticed the price on the Tide non-HE formula cmpacted powder was 50 cents more list than the sale price target has this week for it for $18.99.  That's good information for the future.  Unless something major happens, I probably won't be doing any laundry for 2 more weeks.  I did major laundry marathon last weekend and got everything caught up as I transition from winter to summer wear. 


Post# 509187 , Reply# 143   4/4/2011 at 12:04 (4,742 days old) by dirtybuck (Springfield, MO)        
What I Saw On Sunday

At Walmart, Foca is now available for 3.22 a bag. And at one of the Big Lots, I saw bags of Roma. I forgot to look at the price and net ozs.

Both are non-phosphate formulas.


Post# 509850 , Reply# 144   4/6/2011 at 21:42 (4,739 days old) by vacfanatic ()        
Tide Ultra HE Plus Bleach - Suds @ 70C (159F)

Here is the suds level for the new Tide Ultra HE Plus Bleach at 70C (159F). The dose was to line 2 of the scoop. A huge improvement vs the recent Tide HE powder.

The scent between the two are totally different, but it might just be the fact that I got the box with the Bleach in it. Will have to try the regular kind next I suppose. Overall, love the new size box, so far it washes great, good suds level, and I like the blue specs in the powder.



Post# 509881 , Reply# 145   4/7/2011 at 00:00 (4,739 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

\o/

Woooooo hooooooooooo


Just like euro detergents.


Post# 509947 , Reply# 146   4/7/2011 at 08:22 (4,739 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada)        
Tide Ultra HE Plus Bleach

I'm half way through a box of the older version HE powder it does look like P&G have put some time and effort in this newer compact version, unfortunately the only one available here in Canada so far is the new compact original.
The one with Bleach or the other one with the Downy, as shown on the Tide website, won't be supplied for a bit of time as of yet, but we are getting close to it.
Thanks for the video it is evident on P&G's improvements.


Post# 510011 , Reply# 147   4/7/2011 at 15:10 (4,738 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

Tide lately has really stepped up the marketing for new Tide with Bleach powder.. Nice to see them doing commercials on POWDERS for a change.. They are claiming.. "White-ish to Wow". Anybody that has this new powder, is it really better than the older, non-compact formula cleaning wise? Does it get clothes whiter? Any major differences? I'm waiting to run out of the old formula and try out the compact version.

Post# 510020 , Reply# 148   4/7/2011 at 16:06 (4,738 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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I am not surprised they are pushing the version with bleach - you get less washes per box v. the regular formula! (63 v. 80)


Post# 510453 , Reply# 149   4/9/2011 at 16:23 (4,736 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        
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What do the first and last rinses look like when using Tide He with bleach..any pics of these?

Post# 510584 , Reply# 150   4/10/2011 at 08:07 (4,736 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

I want to try this new Tide He with bleach if I can find it.
Have you all tried using it on bright colors or are you just using it on white loads?


Post# 510723 , Reply# 151   4/10/2011 at 19:48 (4,735 days old) by dirtybuck (Springfield, MO)        
At Walmart...

The non-ultra versions of the P&G powders are in the clearance area.

On another note, I'll also have to try the "new" Tide With Bleach.


Post# 510730 , Reply# 152   4/10/2011 at 20:09 (4,735 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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Last week I've done several loads with Tide with Bleach regular and It did not see a differnce in suds level during the wash cycle and it did not foam up during the spin cycle like the first time I've used it. So to me it is regular TWB with a HE slapped on lable.

Post# 510745 , Reply# 153   4/10/2011 at 21:48 (4,735 days old) by vacfanatic ()        
Dirty Work Clothes Test

My friend is a mechanic and his clothes are very filthy with dirt, oil, transmission fluids, etc at the end of his day. I asked him to bring a few of his work clothes over this afternoon and I tried them out with my Tide Ultra HE Plus Bleach at 50C "Very Warm".

Here is a sample of the clothes that I washed - 3 pairs of jeans, and 4 work shirts.

Andrew


Post# 510746 , Reply# 154   4/10/2011 at 21:49 (4,735 days old) by vacfanatic ()        
Pre Wash Water

Here is the pre wash water getting pretty dirty.

Post# 510747 , Reply# 155   4/10/2011 at 21:50 (4,735 days old) by vacfanatic ()        
Main Wash Water

Here is after the main wash drain - My Miele has an upset stomach I think... LOL

Post# 510748 , Reply# 156   4/10/2011 at 21:55 (4,735 days old) by vacfanatic ()        
Final Rinse

Taking into consideration how filthy the clothing was, and how dark even the 3rd rinse was, this final 4th rinse came out pretty well considering.

I really wanted to throw them in for another round but this load was already 2 hours, 40 minutes and he had to get going.

I am now doing a maintenance wash in my Miele, it was time to do it and I just wanted to make sure all of the grime was cleaned out.

Regarding this new Tide, I love it. It is very low sudsing considering, and rinses very clean in all of my other loads, and it has great cleaning power. I did not have a chance to photo the pants afterwards, but 1 pair looked brand new, 1 pair had all but 1 spot removed, and the last pair looked much better but were so stained that nothing could get them out.

He had 1 shirt that was "orange", and he said it looked so much more orange after I washed it.

He typically washes his clothes in a top loader, not sure what brand or what detergent. These are work clothes, but he says he has to wash them twice when he does laundry.

Maybe I can start charging him to do his work clothes! LOL

Andrew


Post# 510791 , Reply# 157   4/11/2011 at 07:03 (4,735 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

Andrew are you using this Tide on everything or are you using something else for colors and darks?

Post# 510812 , Reply# 158   4/11/2011 at 10:20 (4,735 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Did he seem to think that his work clothes came out cleaner than when he usually washes them?


Post# 510828 , Reply# 159   4/11/2011 at 12:58 (4,735 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

Well I couldn't find Tide He with bleach at any store near me so I guess I will have to wait a while to try it. I did find Purex liquid with Zout made for He and regular washers so I will try that.

Post# 510845 , Reply# 160   4/11/2011 at 14:29 (4,734 days old) by vacfanatic ()        
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@ Jerrod,

I have been using this new powder for all of my loads, and have been satisfied with how things turn out. It's a color safe oxygen bleach so it's safe for colors.

@ joe_in_philly,

Yes he was suprised how well they came out. I think a lot of the dirt that I got out was built up in the clothing that his laundry methods were not removing.


Post# 510849 , Reply# 161   4/11/2011 at 15:09 (4,734 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Nice! It sound like you could have a little side business. :-)


Post# 510879 , Reply# 162   4/11/2011 at 18:18 (4,734 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)        

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I should do laundry for fame and profit...my Speed Queen gets 1 to 2 loads a week...almost criminal for a commercial machine...lol.

Post# 510902 , Reply# 163   4/11/2011 at 19:36 (4,734 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Well, neither Target nor the local grocery store had Tide HE with Bleach in either liquid or powder form.  I'm pissed!!!


Post# 511027 , Reply# 164   4/12/2011 at 11:33 (4,734 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

I could not find it at my 2 local stores, or Target, or Walmart - Walmart only had 3 boxes of any type of powder the rest were liquids.

Post# 511113 , Reply# 165   4/12/2011 at 19:13 (4,733 days old) by pinpoint22 ()        

uhhh.. that Miele is one workhorse of a machine!.. :) and a perfect compliment to the new Tide w/ Bleach Powder. I have always wanted to use the TWB for all of my loads.. colors too.. but have been afraid to. Even though they say that it is color safe, I have still read reviews of people that complain about how it has ruined and badly faded their colored clothing. Very strange.. I don't want to be a victim, so I use it only with the whites. Oh yeah, I would definitely charge the mechanic for washing his clothes OR.. get him to do some repairs/maintenance work on YOUR car :)Nice pics!

Post# 511118 , Reply# 166   4/12/2011 at 19:27 (4,733 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
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The activated bleaching system developed by P&G starts at lower temperatures than those of Europe, and was initially designed for the dilute water conditions of top loading washers.

While TWB may be safe for laundering the off load of colours, I'd becareful about long term use on anything besides pastels and or bright colours such as pink, yellow, or light shades of blue.


Post# 511130 , Reply# 167   4/12/2011 at 20:35 (4,733 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Laundress, I intend to use the TWB HE on my whites as wll as my light colored towels and sheets.  Everything else will be done using the Sears UltraPlus or Cheer. 


Post# 511132 , Reply# 168   4/12/2011 at 20:49 (4,733 days old) by dirtybuck (Springfield, MO)        

>He typically washes his clothes in a top loader, not sure what brand or what >detergent.

Andrew, this is merely SPECULATION on my part, but if he's the average single male who comes home greasy and maybe does laundry every couple of weeks, chances are he's using a cheap detergent (Extra, Purex, Fab, etc.). I'd do my best to sell him on the benefits of Tide or another P&G brand, or even Wisk or All (and maybe even Arm and Hammer).

Does he do his laundry at home or a laundromat? Now that he's experienced what a front load machine can do, he'll start using one of those (at a laundromat) instead.

Maybe now that he's seen how much better his clothes look, he'll make the switch.



Post# 511138 , Reply# 169   4/12/2011 at 22:00 (4,733 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Last night we put the sheets that had been washed in Tide Fresh Scent on the bed. Fortunately the HE chemical dump smell that the sheets had when they came out of the dryer had faded away. By the time the sheets got on the bed 10 days after washing there were no odors at all.


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