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1969 Lady Kenmore Combo Restoration
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Post# 82902   9/12/2005 at 09:15 (6,800 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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Hi all by request here are some photos of the 1969 Combo undergoing the continual restoration.

20 odd years ago I dragged this machine off the junk heap at Chatham Dump. I am wondering at 350 pounds how I did that feat but here it is.
John LeFever and I have been trying to get this machine up and running ever since then. John has been onboard for over 16 years helping me with this HARD BIRTH!!! It did in punishment for 5 years over in a wayward corner of the basement because it was NOT cooperating! I persisted though!
And thank God for John Lefever he is JUST A PEACH! Let me say that up front.
12 years ago he hauled up 4 boxes of parts from another machine and those boxes over the last 12 years have been invaluable!! Just like this past weekend when the spray wash / spin balance solenoid exploded right before my eyes during wash and smoke started pouring out of the machine top!

There at the bottom of the 4th box was an extra solenoind! YAY!
All I had to do was install it!
Here then is the photographic evidence!

Jet





Post# 82903 , Reply# 1   9/12/2005 at 09:16 (6,800 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Front Panel Removed for service

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ALso the bottom panel is removed and the tub boot is curled bacl into the tub.


Post# 82904 , Reply# 2   9/12/2005 at 09:18 (6,800 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
The Unique Air / Water Balance and Speed Governor

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Here you see the blue balance mechanism firmly mounted to the tub which can rock inside the cabinet.

Post# 82905 , Reply# 3   9/12/2005 at 09:21 (6,800 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
The way it works

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The Air bleed valve ( just like on a bike) controls how much the air clutch grips the tub drive.
The water nozzle will spray balancing water into tanks mounted on the spinner basket inside the tub.



Post# 82906 , Reply# 4   9/12/2005 at 09:24 (6,800 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Now we must get at and

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replace the bad solenoid behind the rigid mount.
The rigid mount is used to tell the balance mechanism just how much the tub is rocking. SO there is an engagment tang that grips the flag of the balance mechanism to do just that.

Its quite like a self referring program only this is mechanical in nature.


Post# 82907 , Reply# 5   9/12/2005 at 09:25 (6,800 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Reinstalling

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the Rigid Mount onto the machine and balance mechanism



Post# 82908 , Reply# 6   9/12/2005 at 09:26 (6,800 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
First Load Pictures tonight

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I'll process the wash pictures so you can see it in action.

Post# 82910 , Reply# 7   9/12/2005 at 09:41 (6,800 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Jon,
Real cool machine
Best Of Luck getting it up and running.
Peter


Post# 82913 , Reply# 8   9/12/2005 at 10:12 (6,800 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Great pictures Jon! That air/water balance system worked well, it certainly was a complicated system. Actually the later redesigned Whirlpool/Kenmore comobs where much more complicated than their 33" original 1950's combo monsters.

Post# 82919 , Reply# 9   9/12/2005 at 11:11 (6,800 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Thanks for the neat pictures Jon, That machine is so complicated!!! Cant' wait to see the wash pictures tonight. Terry

Post# 82924 , Reply# 10   9/12/2005 at 11:57 (6,800 days old) by Brent-Aucoin ()        
Thanks Jon!

Very cool machine!
I am so glad that you are not giving up on her!
It appears that yours is a Gas model? I think that those are so cool.
Can't wait to see your other pictures of it running!
Brent


Post# 82944 , Reply# 11   9/12/2005 at 14:42 (6,800 days old) by spiralactivator ()        

That is one groovy combo. Dig that marbled control panel! Congratulations on a job well done. I can't wait to see it working on a load of laundry.

Post# 82945 , Reply# 12   9/12/2005 at 14:45 (6,800 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Great pictures, nice machine!! Why on earth did I never notice that machine when I was staying with you in 2002? Or wasn't it there then?

Post# 82949 , Reply# 13   9/12/2005 at 15:24 (6,800 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!)        

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Jon, I want to marry you and bear your children.

veg


Post# 82964 , Reply# 14   9/12/2005 at 16:40 (6,800 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
HAAha! Thank you Veg!

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Louis the machine was there and it was on punishment you walked right by it when you saw the Blackstone.

When my machines are on punishment they don't speak up nor do they stick out! They sit there quietly until I say so!

Here is the door boot being put back on by muscular hands.



Post# 82968 , Reply# 15   9/12/2005 at 16:43 (6,800 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I forgot this important note

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If you are ever working on one of these machines and you need to move it for ANY reason be sure the first thing you do is UNLOCK the Tang by back screwing the thumb turn on the Rigid Mount otherwise you'll break off the FLAG on the balance mechanism and poofo no more balance! She'll fly across the Room!



Post# 82969 , Reply# 16   9/12/2005 at 16:46 (6,800 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Loaded and Running

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This cycle is the SUPER Wash which loads 1 gallon of water approx together with ALL the detergent you put in. It creates a highly concentrated pre wash by which only the spray contacts the clothes, note the lack of water up on the glass and you will see in the next picture the machine has moved onto regular wash and filled up to 3 & 1/2 gallons of water and the water is up the glass.



Post# 82970 , Reply# 17   9/12/2005 at 16:47 (6,800 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
This is a full wash

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See the glass has water/suds whereas in the previous picture there is no suds on the glass.



Post# 82971 , Reply# 18   9/12/2005 at 16:49 (6,800 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Flying

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Australian Socks.




Post# 82993 , Reply# 19   9/12/2005 at 19:07 (6,799 days old) by Brent-Aucoin ()        

Looks like fun Jon!
Glad that you could get her working again!
Is this a Gas version?
Are you going to put her in the line up that you have of your working combo's?
After you test it and see that everything is working fine, what will be your big load?
I always thought that these combo's could do a nice size load of towels.
Thanks again for the pictures.
Brent


Post# 83002 , Reply# 20   9/12/2005 at 20:09 (6,799 days old) by FilterFlo (Chicago Area)        

Great pictures and descriptions, Jon. Thanks for posting them. I have the electric version of that model in white. So far it works perfectly, and I use it about once a week to keep it operational. I had it apart when I first got it, and since have found a second brand new in the box tranny and Water/Air Balance mechanism just in case. When I first got my machine the solinoid plungers were stuck, but once I freed them up theyve been fine ever since. Its such a fabulous designed machine...........

Post# 83027 , Reply# 21   9/12/2005 at 22:42 (6,799 days old) by westytoploader ()        
And I thought Filter-Stream washing wasn't splashy...

BEAUTIFUL work Jon!! You have outstanding mechanical ability...I know I couldn't work on one! Way too complex and close-quarters for me...LOL! And that certainly is an interesting balance mechanism...how on earth did the Whirlpool folks come up with THAT? Too strange...but I guess it works well!

The action shots were the best though...I can't believe there's actually suds-wave action and Smackulation going on in there with those big vanes!! Of course the Filter-Stream is fun in its own regard as well...YAY.

--Austin


Post# 83028 , Reply# 22   9/12/2005 at 22:43 (6,799 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
Lets Drink the Rinse Water

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There is an awful lot of suds in there missy, did you use Dash?

Post# 83029 , Reply# 23   9/12/2005 at 22:46 (6,799 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Jon, this is the first time I've ever seen the Super Wash run. Theneighbor never used it. Alnog with that, I NEVER EVER ONCE SAW a load with all that foam batting around like that. Bennie largely used All in her machine. And thank you for all the wonderful pictures with the guts. Blow my mind. (And hte muscular hand)

Post# 83031 , Reply# 24   9/12/2005 at 22:50 (6,799 days old) by westytoploader ()        

That reminds me--I remember reading posts about wealthy families having two combos paired side-by-side! And wasn't there a post about someone who used an LK Combo as the washer, paired with a conventional dryer?

Post# 83036 , Reply# 25   9/12/2005 at 23:05 (6,799 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Austin in the movie Mommie Dearest, there was a scene where "Joan Crawford" was doing laundry. she had two LK Combos sxs.

I had a secretary 1979 or so who had bought her washer & dryer at a used appliance place when they were in West Texas. She found out I was intersted in washer & dryers. She told me she had a Kenmore washer/dryer, but the dryer poriton didn't run anymore and used it for a washer. She had a regular dryer next to it.


Post# 83039 , Reply# 26   9/12/2005 at 23:10 (6,799 days old) by rickr (.)        

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That is a FINE looking machine Jon! Glad you got it running,and in top shape too! Looks like a very time consuming job. Congratulations on saving a rare classic.


Post# 83042 , Reply# 27   9/13/2005 at 00:31 (6,799 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Well Uni

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I was using new low sudsing ALL powder, it is not as low sudsing as I like but it does rinse away. What works even better is Dixan or Omo. My cousin Lizzy is going to mail me some Omomatic when she gets home to Oz we'll see rinse water then Missy!



Post# 83043 , Reply# 28   9/13/2005 at 00:40 (6,799 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Thank you all for the Kudos

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Jimmy I 'd love to try the electric version side by side and see which one was faster! I am glad you have an extra tranny NIB those are this machines weak point I am told. What kind of detergent do you use in your machine? I find that I only use a half teaspoon otherwise I have suds through the 3 rinses.

Westy ,you are right every sq inch of that machine has something in it and the manual is very terse too! And the rubber hoses are everywhere!
I had to learn about the balance system from reading the patents and talking to John the resident expert on these beauties.
The large flat baffles really do throw things around and Chuck D. used to swear that they acted like big irons pressing the clothes flat on the dry cycle.

It is a beautiful dryer, just like any top of the line Kenmore is. ( is robert rolling his eyes yet????)
With todays electronics you could really simplyfy that machine but I think you would still need the 7 solenoids it takes to run it!!
There is a major clunk every 5 minutes inside that machine.


Post# 83045 , Reply# 29   9/13/2005 at 00:48 (6,799 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Westy

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Its a machine of Smackulation, sloshulation and clunkination!!



Post# 83051 , Reply# 30   9/13/2005 at 02:53 (6,799 days old) by FilterFlo (Chicago Area)        

Jon, I, like you, do have a bit of a problem with oversudsing in my combo. It seems that almost every type of detergent that I use will oversuds it unless Im very careful with the amount. When I use the combo, since it has that triple dispenser on the top, I always use a little fabric softener in the final rinse to help dissipate any extra suds. And I love the Super Washer feature. It really does do a great job washing.........

Post# 83057 , Reply# 31   9/13/2005 at 06:43 (6,799 days old) by Mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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Way too nice! Love the Pre-wash with the one gallon of water then here it comes, the full 3.5!

Steve


Post# 83066 , Reply# 32   9/13/2005 at 09:01 (6,799 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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It is a beautiful dryer, just like any top of the line Kenmore is. ( is robert rolling his eyes yet????)

Are you kiddin' Jon, my 50AMP, '57 Lady Kenmore Hi-Speed dryer is a dream dryer! Good thing I have an extra set of elements, if it was taken away I would really miss it. It's a great dryer to say the least.


Post# 83072 , Reply# 33   9/13/2005 at 09:53 (6,799 days old) by drewz (Alexandria, Virginia)        
Memories, of LK past

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WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL, Machine, we all thank you for saving it!

Mother had an earlier version, but control panel had a large piece of glass with LK printed on it, (maybe 1963?) and a bright light behind it which lit up half the house.

Wonder why Whirlpool did not try to build automobiles? This machine like yours took alot of engineering and were built like tanks.


Post# 83090 , Reply# 34   9/13/2005 at 12:18 (6,799 days old) by hometechdoc ()        
Love these

My neighbor accross the street had a similar model. However, she never let me see it run. I asked her several times if I could and she refused. She said boys should play outside. She was nasty.

Regarding the comment about using two w/d combos side by side. I had a student working on a historical preservation project in Beverly Hills. The original plans and specs called for two Westinghouse w/d to be installed side by side (the ones Greg has). The owner ended up with a set of westy twins, not combos. They were probably not available by the time the house was built.


Post# 83091 , Reply# 35   9/13/2005 at 12:36 (6,799 days old) by kenmorepeter5 ()        
VIDEO?

Hi...I am deaf.

Do you have video about 1969 Lady Kenmore combination washer/dryer? I will let to see show the Kenmore combination washer/dryer, it's more time. No problem. Ummm...how running of the cylinder one or two direction? How's condition of the combination? Thanks!


Post# 83092 , Reply# 36   9/13/2005 at 12:42 (6,799 days old) by kenmorepeter5 ()        
VIDEO?

Hi...I am deaf.

Do you have video about 1969 Lady Kenmore combination washer/dryer? I will let to see show the Kenmore combination washer/dryer, it's more time. No problem. Ummm...how running of the cylinder one or two direction? How's condition of the combination? Thanks!


Post# 83093 , Reply# 37   9/13/2005 at 12:43 (6,799 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Great machine, Jetcone! Thanks for the pics and service explanations. I was going to mention the machine appearing in Mommy Dearest, too. I guess our TV-watching habits are in sync, appnut. All together now: WIRE HANGERS?!!

Post# 83099 , Reply# 38   9/13/2005 at 14:18 (6,799 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Thanks Jon for the neat pictures. That is one great machine. Seems like I remember a TV show called Family, they had what looked like a Lady Kenmore Combo and a seperate dryer. Anyone else remember that show?" Terry

Post# 83101 , Reply# 39   9/13/2005 at 14:44 (6,799 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Family. 1976 - 1980.

Sada Thompson
James Broderick
Gary Frank
Meredith Baxter
Willie Aames
Kristy McNichol
Quinn Cummings

Didn't watch it religiously, don't remember much. Being as it was a family setting, lots of scenes in the kitchen, laundry was likely seen!


CLICK HERE TO GO TO DADoES's LINK


Post# 83121 , Reply# 40   9/13/2005 at 18:58 (6,798 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Allen, my next door neighbor was exactly the same way. I NEVER got to watch even an entire wash cycle in either the 1959 or the 1964/5 LK Combo. It was portions here & there. She said the same thing, kids need to be outside playing and not couped up in the house.

Terry, my recollection of family was it appeared the machine aws used as a "dryer" cuz I remember seeing one or two top loaders--a Rollermatic maybe.


Post# 83125 , Reply# 41   9/13/2005 at 19:16 (6,798 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Can't stand nasty old ladies and fat pushy

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Salesmen who keep shooing all of us away from WASHING MACHINES!
WE LIKE WASHING MACHINES!

FRONT LOADERS LIB!!
Hell no we won't go!!!
Lift the Lid, open the door!!
You can't get me off this floor!
Slosh, slosh, slosh
We ARE gonna watch this wash!



We had one NL in our neighborhood and she was somehow psychic!
I was only in the basement a couple of times but each time she was upstairs and knew I was slinking over to the Philco to lift the lid! I never made it! A psychic death ray!

Jet





Post# 83154 , Reply# 42   9/13/2005 at 22:07 (6,798 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Thanks Glenn and Bob for the information on "Family" You are right Bob now that I think about it they must have used it for a dryer as I remember the rollermatic. It was a good so and I enjoyed watching it but you can see what I remembered of it.LOL Terry

Post# 83164 , Reply# 43   9/13/2005 at 22:46 (6,798 days old) by kenmorepeter5 ()        
VIDEO for Kenmore combination

Hello again!

Do you have the 1969 Lady Kenmore combination washer/dryer video, or you will take the video camera with the computer's video??

-- Peter


Post# 83177 , Reply# 44   9/14/2005 at 00:06 (6,798 days old) by shanonabc ()        

neato mosquito!

Post# 83222 , Reply# 45   9/14/2005 at 07:36 (6,798 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
HI Peter

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I don't own a video camera but if you can cajoll Robert into ever coming out here again we might be able to tape something.

Cheers

Jetcone



Post# 83274 , Reply# 46   9/14/2005 at 13:06 (6,798 days old) by kenmorepeter5 ()        
VIDEO?

Hi Jon, how are you doing?

When will Robert take the video about 1969 Kenmore combination washer/dryer?
I look FANTASTIC of the Kenmore combination, I really like that!! I think to look like almost same as RCA Whirlpool..sure? I look shine of inside of the Kenmore's drum (cylinder) almost same as RCA Whirlpool.

And, will we bring the Kenmore combination to the private house (show by convention '07)


Post# 83294 , Reply# 47   9/14/2005 at 14:12 (6,798 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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When will Robert take the video about 1969 Kenmore combination washer/dryer?

Hi Peter, well Jon lives in Boston and I live in Minneapolis, so the filming won't be anytime soon, unless Jon rigs up his Star-Trek transporter and beams me to Boston, or better yet, beams his combo to my house here in Minneapolis.

But did you see the videos of my 1958 Whirlpool Combo, which has a similar washing action to Jon's Lady Kenmore Combo?

Here are two links for you...

Combo wash (3.8mb)

Combo Drain/Spin (3.3mb)


Post# 83361 , Reply# 48   9/14/2005 at 22:03 (6,797 days old) by kenmorepeter5 ()        
VIDEO ?

Hi Robert, how are you doing?

Yes, I want to see the washing action to Jpn's Lady Kenmore's Combo!

Is Jon's Lady Kenmore Combo stay in his house? I think it's plus of the convention's basement...sure?


Post# 84782 , Reply# 49   9/23/2005 at 14:02 (6,789 days old) by kenmorepeter5 ()        
Video Player

Can you make the video player for Lady Kennedy combination yet? I want to watch the video. OK?

- Peter


Post# 84783 , Reply# 50   9/23/2005 at 14:05 (6,789 days old) by kenmorepeter5 ()        
Lady Kenmore Combination's Program

It's post #82903. I can't see this Lady Kenmore Combination's program timer from the photo! Can you make clear of the picture?

- Peter


Post# 85153 , Reply# 51   9/25/2005 at 15:35 (6,787 days old) by kenmorepeter5 ()        
Feel Sorry....

Feel sorry...I'm still delay to you send thre reply note to me about post #84783 1969 Lady Kenmore Combination's program.

- Peter


Post# 85185 , Reply# 52   9/25/2005 at 21:02 (6,786 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
pics

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Peter, I will try to get a close up shot and post it for you soon.

Jet


Post# 85196 , Reply# 53   9/25/2005 at 21:36 (6,786 days old) by kenmorepeter5 ()        
When?

Hi Jet! My friend!

When will you get close up shot?

Peter




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